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Where do you put/mount a network share in an FHS-friendly manner?
 
also, notice that one of my friends "Liked" it
 
Ell
That is weird
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
Ell
Define FHS
How do I make chat look it up?
 
1:03 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol wtf
 
The Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) defines the directory structure and directory contents in Unix and Unix-like operating systems, maintained by the Linux Foundation. The current version is 2.3, announced on 29 January 2004. == Directory structure == In the FHS all files and directories appear under the root directory "/", even if they are stored on different physical or virtual devices. Note however that some of these directories may or may not be present on a Unix system depending on whether certain subsystems, such as the X Window System, are installed. The majority of these directories...
 
check out dat code
@Ell define: fhs
 
I wonder, if we were able to reprogram humans
 
@LucDanton /mnt/MYSHARENAME
@AlexM. I reprogrammed the Robot once. Backfired -.-
 
how it would be to allow people to commit "suicide" by them allowing us to reprogram their brains so that they re-enter the society using a preset template
to make sure we do not waste a valuable contributor
hmmm
 
Ell
1:05 AM
I'd go with /mnt
Or maybe /media
 
@Ell That’d make sense if I were mounting a share from somewhere else; in this case though I am the somewhere else.
 
Ell
You are the folder which other people will mount?
 
righto
 
@AlexM. bleak man
@LucDanton wot
 
also fuck I started growing manboobs I hope I don't die
 
Ell
1:07 AM
What is in the folder?
 
everybody dies
 
so like you have something local and you want to put it somewhere locally that makes sense based on the fact that people will remotely mount it onto their own systems?
 
Ell
I mean id say just follow the rules for local directories/files
 
absolutely anywhere mate. that's not the local system's concern
 
Ell
Lol contrasting answers between us
 
1:08 AM
@Ell Personal files. I’m trying out owncloud.
 
not really as I'm agreeing with you
if it's a folder that's designed solely to be accessible remotely, maybe a /home/public or /home/anon or whatever. really depends on what it is
 
@Ell Yes. That is what I’m trying to do.
 
but don't give it too much thought. as Ell says make it make sense locally and don't bother about it being mounted elsewhere
 
Although it will be shared, the directory is still local. Where to put it?
 
wherever you'd put it if it were not shared
 
Ell
1:09 AM
Yeah ~/public if its solely for sharing to other people
 
it does sound like a designated user account for this stuff is what you are going towards in this particular scenario
 
Ell
I'd put it where it was if it were not shared as @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
Home is not appropriate for this. As I understand it owncloud does its own user management.
 
then you've already lost FHS compliance
 
I’ll go with /srv/owncloud.
 
1:12 AM
come to think of it
 
Ell
Man I was just about to suggest /srv/owncloud
Curse being in bed, I'd have been much quicker at the computer
 
Ell
I went a convoluted route I guess
I googled "Linux www directory"
 
shoot first ask questions later
 
Ell
/var/www is bad though
 
1:15 AM
police always seem to be more bothered about their own safety than about that of the people they're sworn to protect, in the US
@Ell that's why I never really thought of /srv. Apache has ruined me
might start using /src/X as docroot as a rule
 
Woah, generalizations like there was no tomorrow I see.
 
observations
pattern matching
 
prejudices
 
no not really
 
yes yes really
 
1:17 AM
this view comes solely from FACTS
 
lol
 
Ell
Man. If you're gonna shoot a kid shoot him in the leg or something
 
Ell
Not through internal organs
 
there are ways to incapacitate without killing
oh sorry am I being prejudiced again LOL
 
1:17 AM
shoot him in the face
jk
 
There are ways to kill without incapacitating.
Hmm. Maybe not.
 
and they appear to be all the rage
 
Ell
I'm bad at users and permissions on Linux
 
Also you can be as trained as you want, but if the kid is menacing your life, then they probably shoot anywhere they can aim.
 
Ell
I'm bad at cleaning filesystems too
 
1:19 AM
Talking it behind a screen is one thing, being there in the situation is another.
 
take a country that prides themselves on allowing everyone to arm themselves, then have a policy of shooting dead rather than incapacitating at the first sign of a gun. hilarity ensues
 
that reminded me of this
 
> From 1972 to 2003 they reportedly completed over 1,500 missions,[1] discharging their weapons on only five occasions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSG_9
 
Ell
I think its a cultural problem
 
1:21 AM
"You can always shoot the legs" is a classic statement for those that can't understand that trained policemen might actually fear for their life and will shoot in the area that will result most likely in an hit (the chest).
 
how do you even shoot a kid like that
did the kid try to shoot them with his gun
or did they just see the kid and shot at him
 
Ell
@Jefffrey no, that's what the training is for
An everyday bloke will fear for his life and shoot to kill
 
there's no training for "fear of death" and "instinct of self defense"
 
Trained my ass.
 
Ell
A policeman should be trained to remain calm and evaluate
 
1:23 AM
lol
It's like training a kid for war.
 
I bet the GSG guys above feared lots for their death, shooting things only 5 times out of 1500
 
They don't even know how to handle guns in non critical situations.
 
Ell
I mean in the most ideal situation they would have shot the gun out of his hand
 
but yeah policemen training must be really shitty there
 
Then when it is in the middle of the war, between blown up legs, people screaming, blood everywhere, etc.. I want to see how much of what they have learned they will actually follow.
 
Ell
1:24 AM
Harming nobody, and looking badass
 
@Jefffrey not the same kind of situation
 
They can't handle guns against unarmed opponents.
 
of course
 
Ell
training soldiers works also
 
lol
completely different
 
1:25 AM
or what, do you want to tell me that policemen suffer from shellshock
 
why did I even bring that up
 
Their training is shit regardless of how high you put your standards.
 
Fractally shit?
 
Ell
I mean take the example of the black guy who got shot after knocking on someone's door for help after his wife and he were in a car accident
 
@Alex why not?
 
1:26 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes because they don't partake in wars for one thing
anyway it's still not clear to me, how did the event happen, it doesn't seem to be explained in the article
 
they certainly do
 
did they try to approach the boy in any way
or did they just shoot over the fence
 
Watching people getting killed is traumatic in peace time too.
Or, for that matter, killing them.
 
Everybody does what makes them survive. No matter what.
Unless you are not afraid of dying.
 
er
no
otherwise soldiers would, like, not work
and nobody would ever go into the Lounge
 
1:28 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's still a lot more bearable than what you'd see in a war, but I get your point
 
Ell
Anyway
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey <<== this. An injured person can still shoot. Especially if they're tripping balls. Also a leg shot is damned hard to achieve. Also police deserve to live. This situation is a tragedy, possible poor training, and/or possible bad decision despite good training.
 
Ell
Let's switch up topics
 
Yeah, they'd get themselves imprisoned and not into a warzone.
 
@Ell I prefer tab indentation.
 
Ell
1:29 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit we agree on this
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah but then they'd be forced to work, in the case of a war
 
@GuruAdrian A 12 year old boy on playtime deserves to live
 
Ell
Tab for indent, space for align
 
Soldiers work because they are kid that want action and money and then when shit falls down there's no coming back. You have to choose between being shot by your own officials for trying to escape battle or try to shoot the "enemy".
 
user1646075
@AlexM. this is the big question. did they follow a well-thought out procedure
 
1:29 AM
and if they refuse even further, they're placed under arrest
 
@AlexM. and their job performance would be horrendous
@Ell thank you
 
user1646075
@LightnessRacesinOrbit see 'tragedy' reference.
 
user1646075
Clearly something went horribly wrong.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes
 
1:29 AM
Which officials shoot their own soldiers?
 
@GuruAdrian the instigation of an investigation into use-of-force practices suggest that the procedure is seen to be ill-thought-out even by the people in charge
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nobody has ever given me a valid argument for anything else
 
although granted that could be a knee-jerk appeasement for the populace, also
 
depending on the country
 
They court marshall them or some shit.
 
user1646075
1:30 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's just procedural. As it should be. All use of extreme force by police is investigated here. I'm not sure to what level down it happens. Probably rarely covers strong-arm arrest and throwing in the back of a wagon in cuffs.
 
people arrested for not responding to a call to arms
 
@Ell same. yet a bunch of folks in here swear by spaces for everything and cannot explain why. grr
 
might be sent to war anyway, in a disciplinary unit
 
Ell
I know I don't get it eitherv
 
@AlexM. conscientious objectors are more commonly imprisoned
during times of conscription
you don't want a soldier out there who's tried very hard not to be present. it's shockingly shite for unit cohesion
 
1:31 AM
I don't think they're being sent w/o any training tbh
 
Ell
I don't see the point of imprisonment
IMHO prison is for rehabilitation
 
it's a deterrent
that's the main point of prison, no matter what "rehabilitation" crap the left-wingers throw at you
 
Ell
To me the point of prison is rehabilitation
Not for punishment
 
well i'm sure you'll grow out of it
 
you'll see proper rehabilitation when
 
1:32 AM
give it time :)
 
user1646075
@Ell you're so modern. Traditionally, prison has been about extreme punishment and restraint.
 
29 mins ago, by Alex M.
I wonder, if we were able to reprogram humans
this happens
 
Ell
I don't see the point of putting an 80 year old sex offender in prison
 
teehee
@Ell I told you already
 
Incarceration rehabilitates people how?
 
Ell
1:33 AM
@guru not correct
 
it's to discourage other 80 year olds from committing sex offences
 
Ell
Originally prisons were for rehabilitation
 
user1646075
@Ell oh, the romans were all about rehab? since when has enlightened policy been around?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol, they don't give a crap
 
your own statements shows that your own view is flawed
 
1:33 AM
really being able to reprogram humans sounds bleak as LRiO said but...
 
Ell
When they were first introduced
 
@Ell a deterrent doesn't deter if everyone knows it's a lie.
 
it's technically the optimal solution for the society as a whole
 
@Jefffrey of course not. who cares about spending your final days locked up huh
 
1:34 AM
instead of wasting a life, you repurpose it
 
Ell
Before prisons they just killed people or chopped off their hands
Which I guess rehabilitated them in a way :P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that chance or the certainty of fucking a 14yo.
Hmm.
Hard choice.
 
you don't know what you're talking about son
 
Neither do you.
That's all the fun, right?
 
Ell
Prisons were introduced in Victorian times o.O
 
1:35 AM
ITT LRiO is Jefffrey's hot mum
 
user1646075
@Ell bs
 
(mum*)
you didn't know?
 
I was just messin with ya
of course I knew
 
Ell
I think the word prison for me carries implications that it doesn't for others
 
1:35 AM
k cool
s/others/anyone else/
 
I've always loved incest stories.
 
I'm sick of my mom smoking inside
Why do people feel the need to give other people their horrible fumes?
I don't understand it.
 
You live with your mom?
 
It's frustrating.
Yes.
 
@Ell No, they weren't.
 
1:36 AM
ikr
 
I hear you, when I moved away from my family not having my dad smoke in the house was the best thing ever
 
@Ell Erm, no.
 
he learned to not smoke in my apartment when he visits
 
smoking inside is grim
 
Pretty much everyone that smokes that I know, except maybe a couple of exception cases, have the "smoke outside" rule.
 
1:37 AM
@Ell Prisons have existed since ancient times.
 
smoking inside with your kids around you is criminal
 
I'm thinking of buying surgical masks or a respirator
 
user1646075
it's illegal here to smoke in a car with kids in it. amongst other laws, I like that one a lot.
 
not sure yet
 
Also the house stinks after a while of smoking inside.
 
1:38 AM
My last nerve has been struck atm
 
@GuruAdrian Will they shoot you in the face?
 
Nov 16 at 17:50, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I live with smokers and they don't even smoke inside.
 
I'm looking like a weirdo for not joining my colleagues on the balcony to smoke
 
@Rapptz Refrain from killing.
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey only if you have dark skin or a hijab
 
1:38 AM
Smoking and being decent people are orthogonal!
 
I mean not everyone going there smokes
 
(IOW your mom is a horrible person)
 
but fuck me I went two times and had to breathe their shitty smoke
never again
 
The thing is
 
@AlexM. Is the balcony that small?
 
1:40 AM
It's normal to smoke this inside -- it's a hookah.
 
Or are they asses and breath it onto you?
 
It's not a cigarette.
 
Ell
My brothers friends smoke their hookah outside
 
Oh, shit. I totally forgot about nomic.
 
At least in Arab culture.
I'm not sure how the people who adopt it do it
It's still frustrating because I think most of them believe it isn't as bad as cigarette smoke.
 
1:40 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wasn't able to find a spot to sit w/o smoke around me, no, and I can't sit 5 meters away from them either, it would defeat the point of being with them
 
Ell
Its worse iirc
 
Yeah it's worse for you.
 
agree they think it's better
 
Ell
What is the point of water in a bong?
 
user1646075
@Rapptz it's a sweeter smoke than plain tobacco, but still irritating as hell when you don't smoke
 
1:41 AM
idyots
 
Ell
I've never smoked anything
 
user1646075
your folks use hookah? with the flavored shit?
 
Only my mom.
No one else in my family smokes.
 
ITT @Rapptz mom is a hookah
 
I didn't make that joke!
 
user1646075
1:42 AM
the fruity stuff is supposedly only 10% tobacco. Can't see how that works though.
 
it's a lie
 
user1646075
i think so
 
it's just 100% tobacco with some flavouring added in
 
then it's not 100% tobacco is it
jesus
 
:p
 
Ell
1:43 AM
Allah
 
it does a limit break and goes over 100%
 
lol
 
I'd say it's more like 85% tobacco and 15% flavouring
 
speaking of jesus whytf did i turn on my xbox and play several games of halo
it's 1:44 and i'm up at 7
fs
 
Ell
You guys are frustrating me and I don't know why
The room has a chaotic aura
 
1:44 AM
nipples
 
yeaah, I don't feel that sleepy right now, even if it's 4 AM when I normally go to bed
 
user1646075
I can't find a recipe for that flavoured shit
 
it's possible that sleeping for 24 hours total this weekend was not a good idea
 
Ell
If we can keep the entropy down guys okay? Some of us are trying to sleep
 
ITT entoropy
 
1:45 AM
@AlexM. I envy your ability to go to work at 12PM
 
user1646075
all i can see is 'soaked in flavoured molasses'
 
I dunno I feel like we've got a friendly chaos going on
I think you're the only one on edge, @Ell :P
@AlexM. I did that too
 
factorio
 
@Ell I know, it does feel a bit like that
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah its definitely friendly
 
1:45 AM
fuck you
 
user1646075
@Ell PRO TIP: switch the goddamned machine off
 
@Ell it is fucking friendly alright u nob fuk off
 
Ell
But still aggregates me :P
 
> aggregates
 
Ell
Dammit!
 
1:46 AM
> gates
 
your chaotic employment of the English language is frustrating me and I know precisely why
 
Ell
Its just getting worse, curse you 2nd law of thermodynamics
 
lol
inb4 ell explodes
 
Ell
Haha
 
and LRiO is forced in exile once again due to ell's death
 
Ell
When there is lots of us (my family) in the kitchen I feel like this
 
aw
 
awwwww we make you feel like family
that's nice
 
1:47 AM
we are your family?
 
so cute
 
I hope I'm Ell's mum
3
 
wat
 
Ell
1:47 AM
Wat
 
well, you are
 
Ell
What is happening :P
 
you ruined the flow somehow ell
 
Ell
@Jefffrey good, a cache miss will slow this fustercluck down
 
> fustercluck
LOL
 
1:49 AM
14
A: Short story about if you die you are reborn as someone else in a different time

RichardThis is "The Egg" by Andy Weir You can read the full story online here “How many times have I been reincarnated, then?” “Oh lots. Lots and lots. And in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.” “Wait, what?” You stammered....

I'd quite like to read this, actually
maybe this'll be the first book I read in years
oh well. gnight nobheads
 
user1646075
@Ell is in a real rage today. You need to jerk off or something?
 
Ell
@GuruAdrian haha I'm not in rage, I'm having fun. I'm just frustrated and on edge due to the chaos in the room
@LightnessRacesinOrbit night shag
 
I actually get what Ell is saying, when things go too fast here I also think there's chaos and makes me feel uneasy
like, when there are more than two topics going on at the same time and there seem to be groups of people talking about different stuff
I can't pay attention properly
 
Ell
Yeah
Its kind of uncomfortable to watch and try to follow the convo
 
Seriously? A flag?
 
1:55 AM
what got flagged?
 
The jerk off comment.
 
lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nice and scary at the same time.
 
user1646075
@Ell chaos is good!
 
user1646075
people need to use more links. Which is a bitch when the thing scrolls just as you click...
 
user1646075
1:59 AM
geez how many flags? one of teh lurkers I guess
 
Guys, how did you start this programming path?
 
what thingy?
 
Wow, someone's remaking Ben-Hur.
 
user1646075
let the ban happen now. I gotta go to lunch anyway. To the lurker: beware, adults use this room and we're all grown up.
 

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