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6:00 PM
Time to play some more Slide Rider
 
Xeo
@Ell Eh. Macros for implementing different vector types isn't as bad as one might think.
 
Raw new and delete everywhere. Not a single smart pointer. (From what I've seen)
 
Xeo
Okay, that's bad
 
I’m not overly fond of CRTP mixins, so there’s that :(
 
@Xeo Also they don't have a common impl for vec2/vec2f/vec3/vec3f for some reason
 
6:03 PM
The fact alone that they are implementing linear algebra, no? Or at least that they are doing it as a part of the project?
 
I'm not sure, I've just given the project a quick glance, so no idea.
Also empty constructors and destructors
 
Ell
@LucDanton It's part of the project as far as I can see
 
@Cicada That's very amateurish.
 
explicit this everywhere
 
That's a matter of style.
 
6:06 PM
C-casts
 
Ell
they have a something and a something_delta for all of their vector like types
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Meh
 
They're students, btw.
 
RIP
But the project works so it's great
Argh again someone asking about volatile and fences
volatile questions are the new What does i++ + ++i do?
 
New?
 
@LucDanton On a geological scale
 
new
 
novel
 
just out
 
fresh
var a = fresh MyClass();
 
6:14 PM
virgin
 
why is this not a thing
 
var rightfold = virgin Faggot();
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You have weird interests.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
user1804599
6:19 PM
@Cicada hey I sucked a cock
 
that's true, rightfold did have sex
 
@Cicada Rust has a box operator.
 
Xeo
// uint32_t a; double b;
a *= b; // warning C4244: '*=' : conversion from 'const double' to 'uint32_t', possible loss of data
grmlgrmlgrml
 
I wonder why I keep planning on buying things
I planned to buy a keyboard and in the end I just spontaneously ordered a set of speakers instead
 
@Rapptz Have you tried Citymapper?
 
6:30 PM
@AlexM. your prefrontal cortex is buggy
 
It's very city-centric, but, at least for Berlin, that results in being tons better than Google Maps.
 
Does it need to read your SMS?
 
London too
 
it needs to read your London?
 
It's better than Google Maps in London as well as Berlin
:P
 
6:32 PM
@CatPlusPlus No.
 
user1804599
hmm
 
user1804599
what shall I do?
 
Xeo
I shall go home
 
Seems reasonable in terms of permissions.
 
Xeo
because I'm about to rage at this stupid piece of code
and I don't want to
 
user1804599
6:33 PM
Delete it.
 
You sure that's an Android app?
 
Xeo
@rightføld I'm not allowed to just kill one of the most important source files :<
 
user1804599
fuck the system
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, there's the natural brokenness of Android permissions, but it doesn't have anything too outrageous, especially if you compare it to Google Maps.
 
@rightføld I'd rather fuck some girls...
 
6:36 PM
Google Maps need calling permissions, for some reason.
 
Ell
can I specialize a static template function of a template class?
 
@Ell There are restrictions.
 
@rightføld Doesn't count
 
Which I don’t remember tbh. Just try and see what the compiler throws at you.
 
Ell
@LucDanton I'm trying out ways to do strongly typed coordinate space: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/a380ce89ff0c4c2d
 
6:38 PM
@LucDanton Rust kind of piques my curiosity, is it worth looking deeper into?
 
Ell
I might just be missing something obvious
 
Some things have to be a complete specialization or the other.
 
@Cicada Yes.
 
@Cicada If you have no experience with linear/affine/uniqueness types it’s not a bad choice.
 
Come to Berlin next Tuesday, I'm giving an intro talk!
 
user1804599
6:39 PM
He's going to be a manager. — Mark Adler yesterday
 
user1804599
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like your conciseness.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes wut already
 
Well, next week's Tuesday, I mean.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can you film it? I'm taken next Tuesday :p
 
6:40 PM
@Ell Wrong syntax, you’re not specializing. Hang on.
 
Ell
the extra template<> doesn't seem to help either coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/6e52a38178464ba4
 
@LucDanton I don't
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are giving an intro talk into Rust?
 
Ell
pls record
 
6:42 PM
That's what I said
 
I don't have recording equipment.
 
@Ell Wrong order. But if you switch it out you get error: enclosing class templates are not explicitly specialized, which is what I was afraid of. You can’t specialize the member template without doing so as well for the enclosing template.
 
Wait, actually, I do have a camera and a tripod.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cool, since when are you into Rust?
 
Omg the Battle.net launcher uses Qt
 
6:44 PM
Tomb Raider: Killing 5 Crabs With A Bow Is Hunting Out The Region
 
@bamboon Few months back.
There's some Mozilla people wanting to start a user group in Berlin and one of them knows me and invited me.
 
Ell
@LucDanton hmm okay, thanks anyway
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Interesting. Do you use it at work or just for personal projects?
 
Ell
I can just overload actually
 
Not at work. My boss is quite enthusiastic about it, though.
 
6:46 PM
I'm kinda waiting for 1.0 before I really commit myself to learning it
Insofar there's been a lot of breaking changes, from my 10-km overview
 
@Cicada They’ve churned out most of the big overhauls. You can start learning, 1.0 should add stuff, but not change the existing stuff significantly.
 
@BartekBanachewicz amazon.de/dp/B00O4UIO0U
I got this one today. So far, likey likey!
 
evening noobs and robot
 
evening prokaryote
 
@Cicada You’re right.
 
6:49 PM
@Puppy evening Mr. Condescending.
 
OTOH it can be problematic to find up-to-date resources, so waiting 1.0 means you know whether a tutorial or whatever is fresh (hah) or not. The official docs are neat though.
 
evening tiger
 
Tomb Raider: I Don't Know Where To Go And Batman Mode Is Not Helping
 
There's a new and updated guide coming up, but some of the docs are still missing/outdated.
 
Heh the best way to progress is to die and get reset to where the stupid checkpoint is
 
6:52 PM
@LucDanton Hm, I see. All in all, do you think it's a reasonable time to get started with it?
 
Also I love secret tombs
 
@Cicada If you’re starting from scratch I’d say yes. The syntax and type-system tell a lot about the language and are here to say.
 
Ell
okay wait I can't use overloading with more than 2 types. I'll have to ask puppy
 
They're so secret you get a DING DING DING DING sound when you're nearby and also they're marked with "HERE STUPID HERES THE SECRET TOMB"
 
so
does anybody want to sleep on Puppy's floor for free to visit ACCU conference in April 2015?
 
Ell
6:55 PM
@Puppy okay about partial function specialization. how would I go about strongly typed coordinate spaces? I have this: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/3a3525c3428216de but can't overload on return type
 
my place is literally 5-10 minutes from the venue.
 
Ell
and can't partially specialize
 
Xeo
hooooome
kinda late today
 
Ell
@Puppy hmm
 
Xeo
ohwell
 
user1804599
6:55 PM
Please use os.Remove instead of syscall.Unlink. If you're just gonna send raw data over the socket just use the os package in general, no need for a net.Conn. — tomwilde 2 hours ago
 
user1804599
> Please
 
@Xeo How long is your dick commute?
 
Ell
meh. can't afford it
wait maybe I can
 
@Puppy When's it?
 
@Ell Gotta pass the output co-ordinate space as a template parameter (don't need input vector type though)
@TonyTheLion April 20somethingth I think
 
6:58 PM
might consider it
 
21-25 April
the conference fee for non-members is like, £650
 
if the conference itself isn't rediculously expensive
perhaps I will budget for it
 
Xeo
@Cicada 10min
 
well, I don't promise to be feeding or babysitting, but my flat's secure, guaranteed good Internet, and free.
 
user1804599
Aw man.
 
user1804599
7:00 PM
I love Clojure again.
 
also proper kitchen facilities
 
Xeo
@Puppy Conferences so expensive :<
 
Ell
I wonder if I count as a student
I'm not at uni
 
the Committee meeting was free.
 
@Ell Picking the correct partial specialization would be just as tricky as picking the correct overload.
 
7:03 PM
@Ell Only if you're studying for more than a certain number of hours per week.
 
Ell
@LucDanton yeah :S Just thinking of a graceful way to do this
 
5 mins ago, by Puppy
@Ell Gotta pass the output co-ordinate space as a template parameter (don't need input vector type though)
 
Ell
@Puppy I'm confused. Pass the output space to the function?
 
yep
 
Ell
Oh wait. I already read that and am trying it now :P
I'm slow
 
7:04 PM
@Ell To elaborate on Puppy’s comment, which is an input, which is an output, and which is irrelevant? And I don’t mean the code, but the notions. Who or what determines which is the space of the result?
 
@Xeo Hmmm, good point.
 
it's a little more problematic because you're also templated on the type of the vector.
 
Xeo
@Puppy Well that's not a conference!
 
but not much
 
Xeo
Btw, when's the next Unconference?
 
Ell
7:07 PM
@Puppy it means I need another class layer, doesn't it?
 
So Windows 10 will soon have a package manager? howtogeek.com/200334/…
 
@Ell No.
 
@Xeo When we finish third round of Nomic
 
@rightføld A new love was born?
@Xeo good question
I wish to attend it, if I can
 
Ell
Is it going to be UK this time?
 
7:10 PM
That was the big debating point, wasn't it?
A few of us want it in the UK, but Bratek wasn't too happy about that
 
Careful what you wish for
 
I'm careful
 
Ell
well. I want it to be cheap :P
 
de-duplicated your definitions for space/space conversions and simplified the calling code.
 
Ell
7:12 PM
@Puppy thanks!
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion I want Cat to take part, but that pussy doesn't want to move his ass out of Poland, it seems.
 
Ell
can we raid cat's house?
 
@Ell So just for the record, function template partial specialization -> not a useful feature.
 
Ell
meh :P
 
@Xeo I think if we have to wait for Cat, we can be here for a long time
 
7:13 PM
and doubly FTR, class template specialization is pretty dumb too.
 
@TonyTheLion He'd only be happy if it was in Haskell.
6
 
Xeo
lol
hahaha
 
> The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
FUCK YOU .
 
Xeo
@Puppy HAHAHAHA
 
Ell
7:19 PM
damnit. space isn't a word anymore
 
So where do you guys want to do Unconference?
 
Ell
My house <3
we can fit 12 people in a 6 person hot tub, right?
jk my parents wouldn't allow that :P
 
hahahahah
 
lol
 
also everybody is invited to Unconference, except the people that aren't.
fuck what @thecoshman says :P
 
7:22 PM
@TonyTheLion o_0 who did I not invite?
 
you once made a comment about non-regulars not being invited
 
I personally want London, but silly Poland place is fine too
 
London or GTFO :P
 
Romania pls
 
I'm good with London
there's a train from ten minutes away from here
 
7:23 PM
I'll guide you through the hordes of cows and sheep
 
@TonyTheLion oh, well, yeah. It was some random new guy who was like here for the first time. It was also at the time we were talking about doing a hog roast at Martin J's place.
 
@AlexM. I left those back in the swamp.
 
@thecoshman oh right
 
Michigan, duh. It's the obvious choice.
 
@TonyTheLion so STFU :P
 
7:24 PM
lel
 
holy fucking cocknuggets
I'm in a queue to log on to Battle.NET.
 
ahahah
 
Welcome to 2004!
 
¬_¬ guys we've been over this. It's London if you want a cool place to go, or that silly place in Poland if you want to give in to Bartek and Cat.
 
Michigan. Grand Rapids if you want a lot of breweries, or Detroit if we want a post-unconference funeral to attend.
 
7:26 PM
lol
 
@thecoshman s/in to/it to/
 
Lets go to Santa Barbara and have a big BBQ on the beach :)
 
cough
 
Ell
USA is too expensive
 
@SamDeHaan ain't no one got time for transatlantic flights
 
7:27 PM
ok I'll go play a game now
 
Ell
And I might be detained for some reason
 
or moneys
 
@AlexM. I see what you're trying to do
 
Ell
Poland must be cheap, right?
 
Lets go Poland and drink Vodka all night
 
7:27 PM
probably cheaper than London, that's for sure
 
erm yea
not much doubt about that
 
Xeo
Guess Unconference 2.0 will be in UK, eh
 
@thecoshman laaaaaaaaaaaaame. C'mon, the TSA is great!
 
uknow it will be
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Get your passport ready./
 
7:28 PM
That's the only big argument for Poland, it's cheap. It's also why I don't want to go there, it's cheap for a reason.
 
Loldon
 
also, we actually have quite a few guys here in the Kingdom.
myself, ell, tony, pirate, martin
probably forgetting a couple
 
@Puppy ¬_¬ you're an idiot.
 
Xeo
Pussy Races in Orbit
 
oh gawd
 
7:29 PM
oh yeah, you're in noobland technically
but I'm sure a boat can fix that.
 
@Puppy Martin & Anne would be the couple, no?
:P
 
There maybe most in UK, but there is more in that stupid no passport zone.
 
kek
@thecoshman The only stupid thing about it is that we're not in it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I doubt she'd be allowed to come
@Puppy ineed
 
Xeo
@thecoshman 3 -
 
7:30 PM
@Xeo I thought I did put three (post edit) seems my fingers are too fat :S
 
Xeo
@thecoshman What do you need?
 
happiness probably
 
@Xeo the d
 
Xeo
heh
Should ask @rightføld about that
 
@Puppy FYI I'm not in the UK
 
user1804599
7:31 PM
i love the d
 
4 mins ago, by Puppy
oh yeah, you're in noobland technically
 
@Puppy o_0 I am not very observant it seems.
But I'd probably fly over. Book early/luccky enough, €10 each way
 
K, time to overlap on the way home.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Overlapped I/O broke him.
 
7:41 PM
I'm not sure what for yet, but I'm sure this gif may come in handy some day.
 
@Xeo Meh
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus No "meh".
 
Extreme meh
 
Ell
@thecoshman who doesn't have a passport? :S
 
7:45 PM
Who needs a passport these days
Oh right silly UKers
 
@Ell Most people in the US don't. I didn't until last year.
 
Ell
wut
 
Ell
what do you use for ID and stuff?
 
7:45 PM
@Ell Driver's License
 
@Ell silly EU people.
 
Ell
I guess the uk is no-go if most don't have a passport then :L
 
@CatPlusPlus people who want to see the world.
 
@thecoshman or not.
There's a lot to see without a passport.
 
I've seen enough of the world
 
Xeo
7:47 PM
@Ell I don't think I do
I sure need one for Japan, though
.. I think
 
@Xeo I thought you've been there?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Not yet?
 
Moving to England in 2 weeks or so for 6 months. Putting all of my US affairs on ice is so damn annoying.
 
@Xeo oh?
@R.MartinhoFernandes there is, but if you want to fly outside EU, you need one.
 
7:48 PM
that subway map is damn interesting Martinho
 
@Xeo I'm sure you will.
 
@OmnipotentEntity Got it from twitter.com/BrilliantMaps.
 
The worldwide tube map makes no sense. Miami, Jacksonville, Dallas, Atlanta?
Jeez, the west coast is even worse.
 
I don't get it either.
 
Ell
so where is the unconference gonna be?
we can't have just the britbongs turning up
 
7:53 PM
Actually, pretty much every american line is out of order or just plain ridiculous.
 
@Xeo you prolly need a visa too
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Nope
That I checked
 
Calm down people, it's not till July. I only sort out last one in January.
@Xeo huh, that is surprising.
 
Xeo
Germany and Japan have a no-visa thing
 
7:58 PM
Is it just me, or does VISA stands for 'Visa Is for Stupid Americas'?
any way, back to TF2 :P
 
Xeo
> The following is a list of nationals of countries that have "Reciprocal Visa Exemption Arrangements" with Japan:
For a period of 90 days or less
[...] Germany(*7) [...]
I could even stay for 6 months without a visa
 
user1804599
yay
 

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