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10:00 PM
I can't find a comment of me earlier than September 16
 
@rightføld what is the most important ? to stick to c++ ISO norm, and explain that UB is UB, head on. or accept anotrher way of doing where what has worked for years until it broke for no reason unless some corrupted process/memory... but after a long time. a long time accepted by the customer.
 
user1804599
To not use C++.
 
I found it!
I have found my first comment!
It's "lol"
 
I mean assuming it isn't a silly GE class like music or some silly shit like that... But at the same time who would cheat in those classes
 
@StephaneRolland Not worth it for UB because you can never know how long it's going to be until it breaks or even if it's causing other bugs.
 
user1804599
10:01 PM
I always wanted to put "I have no idea why, but it works." in an answer, and today my dream came true!
 
the core problem with UB isn't that it causes damage, but that you don't even know how much damage.
 
Epic. I had that guy in my RSS feed for notorious bad posters. Interestingly, first thing he posts in half a year is again ...
 
@ZeeZeeZee Use the reply button, it's easier and lets people see which comment you're replying to.
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
dat feed
 
10:04 PM
@Nooble I will not get drop bear!
 
> drop
hehe
 
@ZeeZeeZee Ah damn, another Mericuh dude.
 
@ZeeZeeZee There you go!
@ZeeZeeZee The drop bear will get you!
 
user1804599
Dawkins is a hero.
 
@StephaneRolland UB destroys your ability to reason about the code
 
10:07 PM
@Puppy maybe it even causes world peace!
 
wasn't Dawkins the "Fuck religion really hard" guy?
 
So yes, it's important to stick to ~norm~
 
Found japanese candy in my house, life complete as of now.
@Puppy That might be Darwin...
 
user1804599
I wish I could retweet the fact that X has been retweeted, rather than X itself.
 
@CatPlusPlus that is what you have learnt to me, and I have experienced it. But some won't understand.
 
10:10 PM
Yes there are bad programmers
In fact most of them are
 
yeah, best way to study for engineering exams if you don't have much time is to study the exam questions from the past three years ... unless it's a new course or it's drastically changed
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus As Homer put it: especially you!
 
@Nooble Is that like asbestos?
 
@MartinJames Tasty asbestos!
 
@Puppy not as far as I can see. It's the "I'm sorry but I really can't rationally support any of that" as well as "The fact that I believe in evolution makes me appreciate "creation" more, not less."
 
user1804599
10:14 PM
So this web page' source starts with <HTML 2.0> and has a stylesheet with a media query in it.
 
@ZeeZeeZee Did you decide on a picture yet? I await on your decision.
Known as the "christening" of loungers.
 
Who are you anyways. Did I miss a rename?
 
eval thoughts in the universe realm
 
user1804599
And it's responsive.
 
@sehe Me?
 
10:16 PM
@Nooble this is an important moment for I have to think about it long and hard
 
@Nooble yup
 
I'm either user3886129 or Nooble.
I'm pretty new around here, 3 months maybe?
 
@Nooble very funny, I wouldn't have got this if you showed it to me 2 days ago
 
I used to have a Koala as an avatar.
@ZeeZeeZee New to C++ or programming in general?
 
@Nooble yeah, its cool but frustrating sometimes
 
10:19 PM
You've even starred one of my posts.
My only star
Insert Picture of Crying Guy Meme - Removed by request of the Puppy
 
dude
this is not 4chan.
get that shit out my face.
 
@bamboon Not right now. I guess I could add that.
 
@Puppy Have I fulfilled your command, sir?
 
yep
 
Hey @Puppy, how's Daisy? She missing you?
 
10:25 PM
yep
 
Ell
what word does granola sound like?
 
Uhh
Granite!
Ebola?
Ricola...
 
hmmm
 
viola?
 
d2Shab,|'YY@RbCB70Nf
 
10:27 PM
There you go!
 
Riiicooolaaaa
 
Ell
ebola works
 
clearly contains one number, one uppercase letter, one lowercase letter, and one special character.
 
Rock-Ola
 
Puppy's got your back.
 
10:27 PM
stupid Tesco website.
 
Go with Ricola dude
 
@Puppy You need at least one hieroglyphic
Speaking of Ebola, we have one confirmed case here in NY
If you guys don't ever hear from me again, assume it's what killed me.
 
@Nooble You need unicode for cuneiform.
 
@MartinJames Don't most browsers already have multi-byte?
 
@Nooble The DB behind maybe not.
 
10:31 PM
@ZeeZeeZee How long have you been learning C++
 
@Nooble umm lets see here... will be around 3ish months in nov
 
@Nooble It doesn't kill you THAT fast. You'll be able to get in several days of chatting before you bleed out.
 
@MartinJames But I would be quarantined without my trusty PC
 
@Nooble how about you my dropbear obsessed friend
 
@ZeeZeeZee A year or two.
 
10:34 PM
@Nooble do you just program in c/c++ or do you know any others?
 
@Nooble Take the tablets.
 
clojure is so fun
yay
 
@ZeeZeeZee I'm familiar with C++ and Java only, but I bet I know a little C# and VB here and there.
@MartinJames Cyanide Tablets?
 
@Nooble No, not an iPhone. Get an android.
 
user1804599
10:36 PM
@AlexM. yes
 
user457812
Get a Blackberry.
 
user457812
Blackberry's the future.
 
/s?
 
user1804599
@AlexM. let's have sex and then program in Clojure together.
 
@rightføld Why sex?
 
10:37 PM
uuh, I think I'll just go with programming in Clojure together
 
user1804599
:'(
 
@rightføld Oh don't be sad, you would probably get a std-library anyways, safe programming everyone!
 
lol
 
user1804599
Sometimes I wonder whether people look at the preview while composing a question. — rightføld 13 secs ago
 
user1804599
My guess is that they do. And they notice. They're just too dumb and lazy to look up how to fucking fix it.
 
10:41 PM
@rightføld I never do.
I always post, then fix
 
user1804599
Yes, but you're not a moron who posts terrible things.
 
The preview is too clumsy to use
@Ell granny of a pianola and a viola
 
I think we need master to explain us like parents, like friends. Some will act like childish, some will act like children, learning.
 
user1804599
Plain text would be best.
 
user1804599
WYSIWYG done right.
 
10:43 PM
holy shit
I got hit by the Mafia, but then saved by a Bodyguard
 
@rightføld Welcome to unicode and font rendering
 
user1804599
@StephaneRolland To spank us when we're naughty.
 
then I got hit by the Serial Killer, but saved by a doctor
 
@rightføld um, do I have to load each used .clj file separately in the REPL?
 
and then they all got caught because the Lookout also visited me.
 
10:43 PM
like, I have
 
what a party at my place last night.
 
user1804599
@sehe Not an issue in over 99.9999% of posts.
 
user1804599
@AlexM. (use 'a.b) (use 'c.d).
 
@StephaneRolland There's plenty of masters here, we just typically have better things to do these days.
 
core.clj with namespace being nexus.core
and then goals.clj with namespace being nexus.goals
in core I have (use 'nexus.goals)
 
user1804599
10:44 PM
(use 'nexus.core) (use 'nexus.goals)
 
I changed something in core, then in goals
 
user1804599
Doing use in a clj file doesn't re-export everything.
 
ran the thing, wrong output
I loaded goals separately
then it worked
 
user1804599
Also, don't use use.
 
@puppy knowing when to teach and when not, if you know that, hail to you
 
10:45 PM
what should I use to make sure the used things get re-loaded in the REPL?
 
@StephaneRolland Don't teach C shit first, problem practically solved.
 
user1804599
(ns nexus.core
  (:require [nexus.goals :refer :all])
  (:gen-class))
(defn -main [& args]
  (println (some-method-in-nexus.goals)))
 
stackoverflow.com/a/26597176/85371 Hacky question of the day
 
user1804599
@AlexM. (use 'nexus.goals :reload)
 
user1804599
Will not redefine defonces.
 
user1804599
 
@rightføld that looks simple enough for now and it works
yay
 
hmm
what are the differences between the different kinds of oil?
 
@Puppy plenty :D it can be about the taste (e.g. in seasonings/salads), about the effect on health, about the effect on the taste of the food you're cooking with the oil
I didn't explore much
 
user1804599
10:51 PM
War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine.
 
user1804599
A machine that runs on oil that comes from a well!
 
I just know random things like, for frying you'd like to use neutral oil, like canola oil
 
@Puppy I don't think C is shit. It's the frame work for C++. I think once you know C++ you must not come back: Only clean static function for interop with C. And use the best of it genuinly.
 
because it won't affect the taste of what you're frying
 
Printers, man, pretty difficult machines.
I tried to print a project, apparently printer does not exist.
 
10:52 PM
@StephaneRolland C is not the framework for C++ at all. Practically all the good useful features in C++ have nothing to do with C.
 
Ell
I just have no clue how to make a generalised material class. I don't think its possible
 
user1804599
Define "material."
 
user1804599
hint it probably does too much
 
Ell
Material as in, set of attributes which determines the appearance of a mesh when rendered
 
I don't know graphics but I always thought of materials like these things that hold info based on which the renderer does shit
 
10:55 PM
yeah, that's way too generic.
 
user1804599
Separate those attributes and apply them separately.
 
the "material" data is specific to what the renderer can support.
 
so materials are pretty much dumb containers in my view lol
 
user1804599
And make them composable.
 
there's no useful material without a renderer's requirements.
 
Ell
10:56 PM
@puppy yeah that's what I'm thinking
 
at best, you could consider something like typedef tuple<T, W, X, Y, Z> Material.
 
Ell
I guess they are basically the parameters to the renderer
Non per vertex ones
I guess you can only have PhongMaterial
CelMaterial
 
@puppy I won't defend C. I love C++.
 
user1804599
@Ell What do those two have in common and what do they not have in common?
 
Ell
They are both parameters for their corresponding renderer
 
user1804599
10:59 PM
Can you give an example of how they are used?
 
Ell
And they both determine how the object is rendered with a larticular renderer
Besides that nothing :3
@rightfold no
I guess youd just pass them to the renderer
Hmm
 
user1804599
Are they types or values?
 
Ell
Types
 
@Ell Still no.
 
user1804599
Do those types share a common interface?
 
Ell
11:00 PM
They have fields like diffuse, specular, ambient, ...
No
I think puppy has it spot on
 
user1804599
@Ell Make all of those separate types and make them composable.
 
materials also cover things like reflectivity and pretty much any other thing that you need on any scale that's "per vertex" < Material <= "per mesh".
 
Ell
Wrt you need a renderer before you have anything useful
 
it's a pretty poorly defined term IYAM.
it seems to me that people mostly apply it to mean "That data I needed that was not per vertex".
 
user1804599
Or rather.
 
Ell
11:02 PM
But then. Where do I encode something needing multiple render passes?
Or deferred shading
I think its impossible to be generic
 
isn't there an open source engine to get an idea about how they do it?
 
user1804599
@Ell Generic on what?
 
@AlexM. You mean, "Game Programmers" + "Patches Welcome"? It'll be a total shitstorm.
 
hey, it was just to get some ideas :P
 
user1804599
@Ell AFAIK you somehow pass those values to a shader, right?
 
user1804599
11:05 PM
Or you generate a shader from them?
 
you typically pass them to the shader, yes.
 
Ell
@rightfold for things like vertex UV coordinates you pass them to the shader
But certain techniques are beyond just passing parameters
 
er, no, UV is typically per-vertex I thought.
 
Ell
Right
 
here's Godot's material.cpp (you can probably get to the .h on your own :P)
hth (non /s)
 
Ell
11:06 PM
Still passing to the shader right? Either way
 
> VisualServer::get_singleton()
lol.
 
user1804599
lol
 
Ell
My point was some techniques require more than just passing attributes or uniforms
 
user1646075
Morning ladyboys and gingermen.
 
@Ell Yep, you're absolutely right.
 
Ell
11:07 PM
Some require rendering into various buffers more than once
 
user1646075
have I missed any shit-fights?
 
user1804599
Why do you want a material data structure rather than a function that takes attributes and renders the shit?
 
Ell
Or fancy jazz like that
 
I think that you definitely can't be really generic there.
 
Ell
That would basically be programming the pipeline
Is pipelines the word?
 
11:09 PM
funny way to "simulate" concepts: hackish paste (coliru).
the RefpConcept is a hack so that you can distinguish one "concept" template, from the next; otherwise you'd get a redefinition-error (if anyone got any more clever way of solving the issue.. please let me know)
:-)
 
Had @ThePhD died
 
I was reminded of him today when some colleagues invited me to some absurdly effort requiring game jam or something
like, not sleeping for a day or sth like that
 
user1804599
@Ell what if those attributes could separately be compiled to GLSL functions that are then called from main in some specific order?
 
I haven't seen him around for a while.
@rightføld That's just reinventing GLSL but shittier.
 
I obviously refused, especially since it was in another city and they were planning to go by train and travel the whole night
 
user1804599
11:13 PM
Or rather, transformations.
 
I'd rather sit at home and code stuff
with alcohol
 
but it says here that The Phantom Derpstorm was on Steam five days ago
 
Ell
@rightfold some stuff is outside of shaders thouh
Like doing deferred shading
 
alright
 
Ell
You have to render a few times
 
11:17 PM
what's really notable about the Total Annihilation soundtrack is that every track is memorable for me.
 
Ell
Specifying that would require a programming language I think
 
whereas most of the other soundtracks have only a few really memorable tracks.
 
Ell
@puppy yeah I bought it a few months ago actually
 
Hm.
This is valid apparently.
 
user1804599
11:22 PM
Is it a bad idea to sleep with MP3 player?
 
enum class arity : char {
    none,
    unary,
    binary
} arity;
 
user1804599
I may damage it while turning around.
 
user1804599
Especially since it has a hard drive.
 
@rightføld Not realistically. Even if you sleep on it, the other side will be soft mattress.
losing it or damaging headphones is more realistic.
 
user1804599
@Puppy Not if it falls off my bed. :v
 
11:23 PM
oh wait, it ... has a hard drive? like a real mechanical hard drive, rather than flash storage? seriously?
how much does that thing weigh, a brick?
 
user1804599
@Puppy Yes.
 
definitely do not sleep with it if it has moving mechanical parts.
 
user1804599
@Puppy 140g
 
@Borgleader sports bra or something
 
user1804599
@Puppy ok
 
11:24 PM
they're known to revert boobs
 
user1646075
 
it's one thing for a chip of silicon to not break and another for drive read heads.
 
user1804599
:P
 
those things are fragiler than shit.
 
What kind of mp3 player has mechanical storage?
 
user1804599
11:25 PM
iPod classic.
 
how much does a mech drive that old store?
100mb?
less?
 
actually iPod classics were pretty huge in terms of storage
160GB IIRC?
even more?
 
user1804599
@Puppy 240GB
 
ok not old at all then
 
user1804599
Oh wait no, 160GB.
 
11:27 PM
my music library maxes out at ~15GB or so
 
I assume you replaced it because no iPod has ever had 240GB.
 
I didn't realize iPod classics were still manufactured recently enough to have a 160GB mechanical drive on a device of that form factor.
 
@aclarke reduce yes, but she went from boob, to boobless. o.o
 
user1804599
Hmm, maybe speakers work.
 
I always found the iPod classic to be kinda... ugly
the screen is too tiny
it looks crippled
 
11:29 PM
@Puppy I suppose it's actually that they were not manufactured recently enough that solid state storage for that much was affordable.
 
user1804599
@AlexM. don't need a large screen for selecting a song.
 
>Is there a “5 second rule” for foods becoming non-Kosher?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unless they're from the future, that's a given.
 
@rightføld you don't even need a screen (see iPod shuffle) :D
okay maybe the shuffle doesn't provide the most appropriate way to select songs
 
I used to have an iPod Touch before I got an iPhone
I don't have either now
 
11:33 PM
I liked my iPod touch 2G
funnest device I've ever had
 
user1804599
Hmm, I have portable speakers.
 
user1804599
Perhaps I could use those for sleep music.
 
I had a 32 GB 1st gen iPod Touch.
it was great
 
user1804599
Me too. :D
 
The apps were actually pretty fun.
 
11:34 PM
back in the day Apple products were really awesome, because Android wasn't yet displaying competitive content in all areas
 
I remember Tap Tap Revenge being fun as hell :p
the classic one anyway
 
yeah I liked tap tap revenge too
and I was amazed at how good that 3D 3rd person RPG looked like
Ravensword or something
 
Good times.
 
I think I still have a pic of the iPod (taken the day I bought it)
 
@Rapptz FTR the hint is that you otherwise terminate the line with }; and not }.
 
11:47 PM
yeah, found it :D
going through my photobucket library sure brought back memories
I've got pics there that are probably more than 7 years old
 
Ell
I love the gorillaz
I love plastic beach
I like the fall too
 
I haven't even thought about gorillaz in a decade.
 
Ell
I listen to them a lot still
They make up 95% of the music on my phone
Because I haven't transferred any other over really
 
user1646075
@Ell they do a great live show, against expectations. They toured here 15 years ago and I thought - mehh - better go see them just to tick them off. Cracking show.
 
user1646075
made my ears bleed
 
Ell
11:53 PM
Probably my favourite band
I like Radiohead a lot also
 
they're my 2nd most listened to band according to last.fm
after blackmore's night
 
user1646075
@Ell they're kinda samey just to listen to, but quirky-fun. I also saw the Jesus and Mary Chain at the same place at a similar time, and they made my ears bleed too. 2 days of ringing. My hearing has not been the same since ;-(
 
user1646075
I use that as an excuse to ignore people.
 
I need to stop looking at these pics
wish I could turn back time though
oh wow I compressed my music collection and I saved 100MB
this is so helpful
 
100 mb out of?
 
11:58 PM
2.7GB -> 2.6GB
oh well at least I'll only have to download one file (the zip) from dropbox tomorrow
 
tell me you used 7zip
 
yeah I did use 7zip
 
I dunno what you were expecting.
 
less than 2GB would've been nice
 

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