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3:04 PM
@Ell Where are you buying women?
And whom are you gifting them to?
 
Ell
Haha
Its my mums birthday so I'm getting her a little Chinese woman
 
Xeo
Weeeeeeeee........ — dotancohen 21 hours ago
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Somehow, this comment is very fitting.
 
@Ell Did your mother find out she's a lesbian who likes Asian chicks?
 
user1804599
I need an IBAN type.
 
user1804599
3:16 PM
Fuck strings.
 
user1804599
@Xeo Whether you laugh or not is your own business.
 
user1804599
There is no "should" or "shouldn't" since it doesn't affect anyone.
 
@Xeo lol
 
> hypopituitarism
Word of the day for me
@Xeo Tempted to correct the spelling:
> Wheeeeeeeeeee.........
@Xeo I don't know, I think I find "jesus, dude" more offensive there. I mean, obviously they can joke about things, since they post this particular image
 
@sehe It's not necessarily the OP's reply, though.
 
3:32 PM
I didn't think of it as the OP's reply at all
 
Yay, sunset.
:|
 
how do I run a hello world in C using CLion
 
Xeo
:|
 
CLion?
Ask Tony.
 
@meda you start it, you type it, you run it
 
3:35 PM
@Jefffrey who is tony
 
@meda this is the room, not the C room
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes whoa, I didn't think the timedifference for sunsets would be so big Delft vs Berlin
 
@meda Nothing, it was a lame joke.
 
@Mgetz is there any C room
 
No
 
3:36 PM
5:23 PM Sunset in Delft
4:46 PM Sunset in Berlin, Germany
 
so no one knows ?
 

C

C stands for Control.
 
@meda Everybody knows. We just don't try because we don't need to? You can search this chat for some reasonably helpful trivia about configuring CLion with non-standard cruft compiler setups, though
 
@sehe Nine whole degrees.
 
3:38 PM
You really were excited, weren't you?
 
@Jefffrey yeah I sometimes talk there
mentioned to these folks I ordered it
 
@meda Also, be forewarned that "no one knows" is going to set off the "it's an entitled jerk asker" alarm bells in this room
 
they were interested
felt obliged to tell them too
 
You don't need to explain yourself.
 
@sehe I look for answers Im not sure what are you talking about
 
3:39 PM
I just found it funny that you of all people joined the C room.
 
@sehe The Netherlands time zone is shifted more than 40 minutes ahead of LST.
 
@Jefffrey I don't know what meaning of "it came" you imagined...
 
I think you do
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, they are primitive C savages
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Least slack time? o.O Such a nice geeky notion
 
3:40 PM
@sehe Local solar time.
 
Ah. WP doesn't list that meaning. But that's indeed what I expected to see
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's a very self centered view on time.
 
Oh wow
 
@thecoshman It's the important concept to explain the discrepancy.
 
Sidereal time /saɪˈdɪəriəl/ is a time-keeping system astronomers use to keep track of the direction to point their telescopes to view a given star in the night sky. Briefly, sidereal time is a "time scale that is based on the Earth's rate of rotation measured relative to the fixed stars." From a given observation point, a star found at one location in the sky will be found at nearly the same location on another night at the same sidereal time. This is similar to how the time kept by a sundial can be used to find the location of the Sun. Just as the Sun and Moon appear to rise in the east and set...
 
@sehe No, not the same.
 
I realize. It's also possible for the acronym though
 
@Jefffrey A lame joke at my expense :(
 
Ah.
@sehe In all fairness, I never saw the acronym before. Just thought it would be clear from context.
 
It was! Until I started googling it for fun
 
3:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was just going for the bad pun.
 
@meda No one cares. Despite (due to?) similarities, C and C++ programmers generally lack respect for each other or the other language. Most see the other language as a complete mess that offers (virtually?) nothing of use to them.
 
@TonyTheLion <3
 
@JerryCoffin You're wrong, C++ has virtual functions ;)
 
@Jefffrey <3
 
@FredOverflow No it doesn't.
 
3:47 PM
It doesn't?
 
A good friend of mine is a C programmer
 
Have they finally removed virtual from C++?
 
@FredOverflow No, but they did virtually add finally.
 
@TonyTheLion Don't exchange bodily fluids. You might catch it (She is immune to exceptions)
 
He doesn't have Ebola
 
3:48 PM
@JerryCoffin final not finally
 
@FredOverflow Of course not. Never did. Whatever made you think it might have had such a silly thing?
 
@sehe lol
 
@Mgetz Virtually the same thing.
 
@Mgetz You ly!
Oh wait, I was the one who Ly'ied.
 
@JerryCoffin You're right, why would somebody want to call a function if they didn't know what function to call?
 
3:49 PM
@FredOverflow Precisely.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes finally is part of exception handling final prevents overriding. I hate to be the annoying arse that ruins the joke but it's nowhere near the same
 
You ruined the joke entirely.
Go home and weep in a corner.
 
srsly man
 
@Mgetz Of course not. But I feel fairly safe guessing that all currently present are well aware of that.
 
you ruined it
 
3:51 PM
@TonyTheLion I would but.... I'm behind on billable hours
 
bill for weeping
 
@TonyTheLion non-billable task sadly
 
Of course it's sadly.
 
3:54 PM
@JerryCoffin kek
 
@JerryCoffin hahahaha
 
lel
 
@JerryCoffin I dont understand why you take offense when I ask a simple C question. I understand it is not a C room, but still no need to whine...
same goes for you @sehe
 
Xeo
lol
 
@meda because this is not a C room and we're not C programmers and no one around here cares about C.
You C?
 
3:56 PM
@meda Do kids these days use "whine" as a synonym of "explain"?
 
@meda Well thanks and fuck off. I was the one who tried to be helpful before explaining why you are experiencing back-push
18 mins ago, by sehe
@meda Everybody knows. We just don't try because we don't need to? You can search this chat for some reasonably helpful trivia about configuring CLion with non-standard cruft compiler setups, though
 
@meda I'm not taking offense at all--just letting you know that (and why) you're unlikely to receive much in the way of helpful answers here.
 
Let me know if you need help finding the search box.
 
@sehe why do you need to be disrespectful
4
 
Who said I need to
 
3:59 PM
You got clawed by the Polar Bear
Now get out.
 
@meda I chose to. Because you chose to label me "whining" when I was explaining things, both to your question and to your behaviour in chat.
 
I ask a simple C question , if its off topic you can just suggest me a better room for that like megtz did
but instead its we dont care, we dont do C, fuck off
 
4:02 PM
@meda He can do that too
 
@meda Yes, you're the in the right. Have fun.
 
@meda I don't care either about C or about your C problem. Do you appreciate my sincerity?
 
@Jefffrey I love your sincerity <3
 
well I dont care about your opinion, but do appreciate your sincerity
 
Great, now we can all move on.
 
4:03 PM
People explained why you're in the wrong place. How inconsiderate of them. People like that should be shot on sight.
 
Ell
I wonder how long cheese and olives will keep at UK garage temperature
If it will last 18h I'm good
 
Also, please start all your criticism with something positive like "I like cheese".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Here you are again shooting people.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes please keep your thoughts to yourself no one talked to you
 
@meda ok, now get out or I will kick you out
 
4:05 PM
@meda You forgot to start with something positive.
 
@TonyTheLion Please no, I'm having fun.
 
Fun is not allowed
 
@meda It is very observant of you to realise that I was the one that took the initiative in this exchange, though.
 
I'm nowhere near the end of my popcorn basket
 
hahahahah
 
4:07 PM
I wonder how polite people interact with each other though, since no one talked to them.
I can imagine the ultimate politeness party, where everyone is just standing around hoping for a rude person to talk to someone when no one talked to them.
 
Wait a second. What happened here? You add the code sample I posted 5 hours ago and... I get a downvote. You know, I'm happy you amended your answer. +1 from me. — sehe 39 secs ago
@meda I said none of these things. None at all. And yet you called me a whiner. Go figure.
 
in C, 16 secs ago, by Peter Varo
@Jefffrey he hates everything except Haskell
Guess who we are talking about, without opening the link.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Polite people live in caves by themselves.
 
@TonyTheLion I was thinking the same at the precise same time. No need to be disrespectful to one of the most respected and respectful people I know. Especially and even in the lounge
 
What?
 
Xeo
4:12 PM
He's saying that being rude to the robot pisses him off
 
^
 
@Xeo Ah yes, then we did think the same thing, for the same reasons
 
I shouldn't be writing Win32 overlapped I/O code.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey braket
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Neither should anybody else--it's a PITA.
 
4:15 PM
I'm trying to parse email content, its soooooo annoying
 
@Ell yup
 
@Jefffrey Why are you in the C room?
 
They seem like nice people.
 
@Xeo in the end I used boost::bind
passed to std::find_if
I got my one-line solution, so I'm happy
 
Ell
Hmm the Stilton ought to be fine I reckon
Camembert not so much
Apparently soft cheese only lasts a few hours...
 
4:30 PM
@Xeo :air: vOv
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Oh yeah, now that you're here: Are you not supposed to plan more than 1 month in advance or something? Since only actual income transactions determine the budget for that month.
 
You can plan just fine
You don't register income until you actually get it
The plan will simply show up as overbudget
 
Xeo
Yeah, that's what I was wondering about
 
(Shows you how much you have to earn for that month)
 
Xeo
4:33 PM
ah, ok
 
Also if you build up buffer you'll see how long it lasts
 
Xeo
I somehow managed to reduce my 2 months buffer to half a month, so now I want to check that :o
 
@Ell whoa
I'll take a look once I get home
 
Xeo
And just writing all the budgets down tells me I might have to change some things...
 
Asio docs are terrible.
 
Ell
4:40 PM
Asian socks are terrible
 
Ell
Lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Welcome to the wonderful world of open source documentation
 
Ell
Looks unfinished rather than terrible though
 
@Ell Is there a difference?
 
Ell
4:44 PM
The former is exuseable
 
For a product that's been released for years? Not really
Peer-reviewed libraries :thumbsup:
 
It doesn't even say what the fuck an I/O object service is.
 
It's a service that does I/O object stuff!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can infer it I think
 
Ell
it's the object which provides io services
 
4:46 PM
> An I/O object service must meet the requirements for a service, as well as the requirements listed below.
 
Infer it from what?
There's nothing there.
@AlexM. That's not what it is.
 
and the documentation for service says
> A class is a service if it is publicly derived from another service, or if it is a class derived from io_service::service and contains a publicly-accessible declaration as follows:
 
That's how you make one.
 
What is I/O object
 
@AlexM. And what do you infer from that? It's just as unhelpful.
 
4:47 PM
so we can infer that an I/O object service must first be a calss that is "publicly derived from another service, or if it is a class derived from io_service::service and contains a publicly-accessible declaration as follows..."
 
It's a service, sure, it says so in the name
 
> A class is a thing if it is publicly derived from another thing, or if it is a class derived from io_thing::thing and contains a publicly-accessible declaration as follows:
 
But what does it dooooooo
 
I dunno, it serves stuff I guess lol
 
:magic;
 
4:48 PM
I just s/service/thing/ and it didn't lose much content.
 
This is documentation that raises more questions than answers
What does it do, what is I/O object, why do I want this, who framed Roger, why did this pass a review, do they just look at code or what
 
yeah I guess it is unclear if you put it like that
then again, I don't know much about docs, my searches are usually like
 
There is no way to put it that doesn't make it unclear.
 
"boost asio example"
 
Examples are not docs
 
4:53 PM
Good luck finding an example of extending asio with your own serial port service.
 
Examples are auxiliary
 
(Because I gave up on trying to understand enough of the code to fix it)
Why am I even doing this :(
I want cheese.
 
Xeo
You want to suffer?
 
Pain is addictive
> Systemd principal Lennart Poettering and several of his co-creators have garnered a reputation for arrogance and inflexibility among other open-source developers, who accuse them of casually breaking compatibility among other software modules, among other things.
ThePhD exposed
Where is that scrub anyway
 
Xeo
Either busy or pulled a rightfold.
Or PhD
or Pawnguy
 
4:58 PM
@CatPlusPlus That's not his name.
 
I know
It has been a joke
 
Xeo
Hm. I have an explicit requirement for this feature from my boss. I think I'll just silently violate that, since I can implement the feature better if I ignore it, and nobody will notice unless they look in the source.
Or maybe I should just tell my boss.
 
My coworkers mock my new sorta-kinda-vegan-ish diet :(
 
@Xeo Yes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes most sorta-kinda-vegan-ish diets lend themselves to mockery
 
5:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes you live in the land of sausage... and have a mostly vegan diet... keke
 
@Mgetz I can eat meat but not milk. I think.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sounds kosher to me
 
user1804599
Is it somehow possible to hook syslog to write log messages not only to a file but also to a socket or FIFO?
 
@rightføld how does tail do it?
 
user1804599
I want to process log messages of a particular program immediately after they are logged.
 
user1804599
5:21 PM
Hmm, I guess I could indeed use tail -F.
 
Ell
or tailf
 
> TIL Google has found GPA's and test scores to be "worthless as a criteria for hiring"; they have teams where 14% of their employees haven't gone to college
 
I asked a question on SO after quite a long time
hope it doesn't suck
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Q: Copying files to a Metro unit test app's private storage at launch

Alex M.I'm running a VS 2013 Express C++ Unit Test project for Metro apps. During some tests I need to read some data from files. Metro apps can only access files in their private data storage though, and VS seems to delete and recreate generated folders in the private storage on each application run. ...

been trying to find a solution to this the whole day
right now I'm doing the dumb breakpoint-and-manual-copy approach
which is probably what I'll leave it at for today, I'll go home in half an hour
 
FFS even the code + comments isn't particularly helpful.
> // The implementation type of the stream handle.
 
That ASIO again?
 
5:26 PM
I don't wanna do this Q_Q
@LucDanton Yes.
 
I would really like to know what an "implementation type" is supposed to do.
Besides implementing.
 
I once innocently asked myself ‘how come ASIO requires copyable handlers anyway?’. 5 minutes later I considered that finding out the answer was not worth it.
There’s an ominously unanswered question to the same effect on the mailing list. We shall never know.
 
Woah, really?
 
Well yeah I really don’t want to spelunk down ASIO code.
 
5:28 PM
@Mgetz been to that page but found nothing useful
 
user1804599
@AlexM. -1 for questiondump
 
it doesn't help that the private storage folder (and the app's package name) changes from time to time
 
I... have to. Maybe.
Perhaps.
 
I'm not sure by what rules
 
5:28 PM
Everything's wrong about today.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If it helps I never had a lot a stake in figuring out an answer, and I’m also very lazy.
 
I am just trying to implement a quick-and-dirty win32 serial port service :(
I could just copy shit from the existing one, but if I could tell which part of it has the bug I would just fix it instead.
 
jit deletion
 
I think I'll go home earlier
 
5:30 PM
@StackedCrooked it does, but it's buggy.
It just seems the whole thing is very enterprisey.
 
Pimply too, no?
 
Oh, maybe that's what the "implementation type" thing is.
Really awkward to make it part of the concept interface, though.
The ones I can find are all different from each other, but all mostly flat data holders.
Why the heck is it specified in the concept.
 
Ell
what are the reasons to keep headers in an include folder?
 
Organisation?
 
Ell
I think so too
the openage people disagree. ah well
 
5:38 PM
@Ell principle of least surprise I guess
 
Ell
they're also using opengl 2.1 :3
 
@Ell Binary installation means copying the headers + the binary files. Easier to do that if you’re not mixing in the source files, if that’s what you’re asking.
 
Ell
@LucDanton yeah I argued this also
 
@Ell Oh, game programmers. There are no headers to deliver, I suppose.
 
I still consider it a good argument because if you want to copy headers in the future then the work is already done. Plus, regularity: when I cd into one of my projects I don’t want to keep in the back of my head whereas I’m in something that install headers or not.
 
Ell
5:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes github.com/SFTtech/openage
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess not. I'd still do it for organisation thoug
 
greetings fellaz
 
Ell
@FilipRoséen-refp hi
 
just got myself a new monitor, this is insane
 
Ell
@FilipRoséen-refp which one?
 
I've been using a laptop monitor (macbook pro 13") for the past.. 7 years? and now I got this massive thing on my desk
 
5:42 PM
Impressive.
 
@Ell Samsung SyncMaster P2470HD, bought it really cheap through this auction site
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm so not used to this
 
@FilipRoséen-refp You are insane for putting up with such a small thing for 7 years.
 
lol 13"
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Did you know you could have more monitors and make a big pile of them, too?
 
@LucDanton this certainly is enough, my mind is being blown away right now
honestly not used to having to move my eyes this much when going from the left part of the screen to the right
I'll have to buy a wall-thingie so I can get it at a more comfortable distance
 
5:45 PM
I'd say anyone here with less than 30" + extra screen is fail. You guys spend serious time in front of your screens :)
 
I have dual 24"s at work.
 
Guise I got a job in Hong Kong
 
Another great new anime opening.
(esp after 50s mark)
 
gratz
 
@JohanLarsson having a small screen isn't too bad actually, I mean; it makes you focus on the important stuff (since you can't fit that much on it at once)
 
5:46 PM
thx
 
@FilipRoséen-refp maybe, I can only use my laptop for doing nothing :)
 
@Cicada Ooh, awesome.
 
@Cicada Riot police?
 
Ell
@Cicada woah cool
 
Just riot
 
5:48 PM
@JohanLarsson I've been a laptop guy since the age of 12, this is the first monitor that I've had at home
 
Do you work in places like sofa/bed?
Hard to get good ergonomics with a laptop.
 
@JohanLarsson In bed I either have sex or sleep. I never use computers in bed...
 
@VáclavZeman How can you have sex without a computer?!
 
2x haha
 
@JohanLarsson I travel a lot so I've been working wherever I can, mostly coffee shops and similar when I'm abroad
 
5:51 PM
@Cicada I see today is full of new concepts for you. :D
 
concepts lite
 
The SerialPortService docs explain part of the IoObjectService better than the IoObjectService docs.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp ok, just watch your spine :)
 
what the heck, how do I do links again?
 
Xeo
5:52 PM
Hm, I should go home
 
[text](url) you butte
 
Xeo
almost 7pm
 
Mardwon(tm)
 
@CatPlusPlus not sure how that ever left my memory, thanks.
 
Xeo
5:53 PM
but I'm almost done with a part of the feature :<
 
@CatPlusPlus Murkdent
 
@JohanLarsson actually I've started having back problems since a few weeks back
 
@Ell Preprocessor magic?
 
Ell
@VáclavZeman preprocessor dark magic
templates with #define
 
@FilipRoséen-refp ouch, no fun.
 
5:55 PM
I didn't read this weekend's oglaf, let's ketchup
 
@JohanLarsson it certainly isn't. but I've been trying to adjust my working position since I started experience problems, but it ain't helping. I might have blown something when I was out skating though, doesn't have to be related to daz computah
 
Xeo
Ask the doc to check for herniated disc
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or maybe not :(
> a.move_assign(b, ao, c); From IoObjectService requirements. Implicitly cancels asynchronous operations associated with b, as if by calling a.close(b, ec). Then the underlying native representation is moved from c to b.
It's up to me to decide what ao is for :(
 
Service object? Or some sort of context?
 
Xeo
ao is the superobject of c, no?
or maybe b
one of the two
it's the object which the object being move-assigned to/from is a subobject of.
 
5:58 PM
volubile int c; // declare verbibol
 
That’s not error-prone or confusing or useless at all.
 
@Xeo Why do I even need the two separately?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes vOv
 
@Ell They said it was modern C++. I checked the source code. No.
 

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