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4:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Policies!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Suck!
 
@DeadMG do you know how the concurrency related proposals ended?
 
almost all of them deferred
 
Xeo
@DeadMG And return-type deduction!
 
but we're going through them now
 
4:01 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Kind of an edge case, though, and I am sure the OP is not interested in that kind of thing, anyway.
 
well done
congratulations
 
The book question has 4 votes to close
 
I might head off sometime soon
 
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Q: How to sort a list of array without destorying the original array?

userpaneI have original array of public static void main (String[] arg){ int[] array = {1,5,6,8,4,2} for (int i = 0; i < array.length; i++) { System.out.print("List 1 = " + array[i] + ","); } swap(array); for (int i = 0; i < ar...

destorying.
I think it means "to take the story out of something".
 
user1357851
@JerryCoffin if aileen wuornos could afford the upkeeping that Countess Elizabeth Bathory had, she probably would be as beautiful if not better.
 
4:06 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Like they tend to do in movie adaptations?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey, it's not always that bad. Look at that They're made out of meat film.
 
@Telkitty I wouldn't bet on it. As the old saying goes, "You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear."
 
if she hadn't been smoking meth in a gutter somewhere for a few decades she might have had a chance
 
user1357851
@JerryCoffin you will be amazed:
 
user1357851
 
4:10 PM
(I laughed, but most you won't get it)
 
Xeo
Yay, weekend timu
 
@EtiennedeMartel idgi
liberate syndicates? fundamentals of human stupidity? French is le hard
 
"Liberate us from the work unions"
 
4:18 PM
@Telkitty I don't think they did much in the way of plastic surgery in the 1500's.
 
anyone worked with dynamic tables in EntityFramework? I have a base table that is going to get archived daily and want to be able to use my dataContext and simply point it at a table name string
 
@JerryCoffin At least not with positive results. Or survivors.
 
@DaggNabbit Eric Duhaime is a relatively well known libertarian thinker and all-around idiot.
 

C#

General discussions about the c# language, Squirrels | gist.gi...
Maybe?
 
Anyone can read words, because I'm not sure what the room title is
 
4:19 PM
bad link?
 
@Julien Why do you ask about .NET in a C++ room? And why didn't you read the newbie hints?
 
oh. thought this was c# my bad ><
 
user1357851
@JerryCoffin How about this - makeups
 
@Julien :) No problem. At least it was an honest mistake and not someone thinking we should help them with the C# problems. Nice change of pace.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, it's weird, newcomers are becoming nicer and nicer.
 
4:21 PM
@Telkitty I'd have to agree with the earlier comment: the "before" looks at least as good as the "after".
 
@EtiennedeMartel never heard of him. Most libertarians here are nuts though
 
@DaggNabbit Yeah, you wouldn't know him if you're not in Quebec.
 
I kind of like Ron Paul though. Some of his ideas are nuts but some of them are right on
 
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Q: Difference Between Java and C++

JerryTrying to pick up Java and figure out the connections and differences compared with C++. Please list your own understanding in an order that the most important one is at first. To me, the biggest difference is the reflection mechanism in Java (still can't fully understand it :P)

 
4:23 PM
and he's at least up front about stuff, he doesn't change his position every week or so
 
^^ Woah... down in real-time...
 
user142019
Is it possible to get a function type of a lambda?
 
why wouldn't it
 
user1357851
Time 4 bed, LaterZzzz
 
probably if there's a chunk of code that gets completely optimized away they can call it dead code
 
@Telkitty Later.
 
Is this the room where the loosers are at? I need help with writing a C++ programming with the pointer. I've tried documenting myself about C++, but it didn't work.
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@DomagojPandža No loosers here -- we're all tighters.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes will it detect that?
 
Not on mono.
 
4:30 PM
German president was almost bombed?
 
3 hours ago
man
wtf is going on
 
@Rapptz Just one more jagerbomb..
 
Lots of shit going down this week.
 
Boston is still in lockdown.
 
4:32 PM
@DaggNabbit tried it, VS2012 with R# I get a warning that d!=null is always true (dunno if it is VS or R# though)
 
@Rapptz Link, plx?
 
The people who did the Boston bombings are the same people who did the shootings in MIT?
 
@Rapptz Yes, one was shot dead. The other one is on the run. He was identified by the guy with the legs blown off (you linked pics.)
 
@JohanLarsson Probably R#.
 
@DomagojPandža Link?
Anything but CNN :(
Ah great.
They're muslims.
God damn it.
 
4:35 PM
Well, it is on most news outlets. Even the local news here have reported on it.
Possible religious motive?
 
No
 
They don't seem like the extremist sort. Seems like an isolated incident. Especially considering the following shoot-out after a failed robbery.
 
I'm annoyed because Americans already have this mindset that all Muslims are terrorists.
Ever since 9/11 anyway.
 
US has spent a significant amount of money educating the public that muslims are terrorists
 
Just a couple days ago in the planes at Boston two people were speaking Arabic and then they kicked them out of the plane because someone felt unsafe.
It's ridiculous.
 
4:38 PM
Hypothetically, in a programming contest, what programming language would you choose? C++ or Java?
No external libraries allowed.
 
@Rapptz It's funny because real terrorists would blend in perfectly.
 
@Rapptz There was one plane going from Manchester to the US, where on Muslin guy, with a little beard was kicked out. After that, no one knows what happened to him.
 
@GamesBrainiac What exactly do you mean by "external"? And what sort of contest? Academic contests tend to emphasize areas where libraries are rarely likely to be of much (if any) use anyway.
 
before that the US educated people that communist are evil
 
@Rapptz Are you fucking serious?
 
4:42 PM
Yes.
 
Come on, you guys cannot be that stupid.
 
@DomagojPandža Trained spies blend in perfectly. Most terrorists have nowhere close to the training nor the temperament to do so nearly as well.
 
wonder what the world would look like if the entire Iraq war budget would have been spent on doing good?
 
@JerryCoffin No boost.
 
BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) – Sources told FOX 25 that a flight that was headed to Chicago was brought back to a gate at Logan Airport. The source said there were two men on that plane – not sitting next to each other – and speaking Arabic.

There were some concerned marathoners on the flight so the plane was brought back to the gate and the two men were escorted off the plane.
 
4:44 PM
@JohanLarsson Not super different, I guess.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, you wouldn't have a completely ruined country.
 
maybe not
 
@JohanLarsson What is 'good'?
 
I'd say that different enough.
 
@Rapptz rolls eyes
 
4:45 PM
@MartinJames idk. fresh water, education health stuff
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's retarded.
I don't even understand how that's possible
 
@MartinJames maybe also education of the public that there are nice muslims etc
 
Personally, stupid or not, one must recognize the state of things. If, for example, Croatian people were implicated in such atrocities, I wouldn't speak Croatian onboard. Practice your English. Really, what do you hope to accomplish on an aircraft speaking with some other weird looking dude in Arabic.
 
@Rapptz That's not a nice thing to say -- insulting all the innocent mentally retarded people that way!
 
Religion, almost certainly. War - depends on where, and when you are. On December 7, 1941, war seemed like a good idea.
 
4:47 PM
@DomagojPandža It shouldn't happen regardless of what language you're speaking.
 
@DomagojPandža What do you hope to accomplish? Communication?
 
@Rapptz People are afraid. For the right reasons or not -- irrelevant. I agree it's wrong. But the deed is done and most of them are scared shitless.
 
Java is 4 alphabetical characters while C++ is 3 characters 2 being non-alphabetical. — Adam Arold 15 mins ago
^^ lol
 
In all honesty, a plane is supposed to be the least likely place where you would get shit on for your culture.
 
@JohanLarsson Education is a keystone, yes, which is why totalitarian dictatorships etc. are so afraid of it.
 
4:49 PM
It's by nature a really diverse place because of people travelling from all over the world.
 
@Rapptz Arabic + airplane. Not so much. :/
 
Wow, my water heater is making a lot of freaky noises
 
The stigma will be around for at least another decade or two. And the US government really has a hard-on for commemoration of 9/11 -- maybe even longer.
 
After 7 hours in an airport, I would not care much about the chances of being blown up, by arabic-speakers or otherwise.
 
@DomagojPandža ...though it's probably worth mentioning that the accused bombers in the Boston case aren't apparently Arabic at all (Muslim, yes; Arabic, no).
 
4:53 PM
@kbok That's because the thermostat is stuck closed and the water is boiling. Soon, it will explode. You will probably survive the small explosion, but then get shot by the anti-terrorist cops.
 
@JerryCoffin Chechnya is the land of origin of those guys, I think.
 
@JerryCoffin It makes no difference in the eyes of the ignorant.
 
@DomagojPandža That matches what I've read.
 
@Rapptz And it should make no difference even in the eyes of anyone else.
 
@MartinJames I turned it off. No hot water, but no explosions either.
 
4:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What I mean is, a dumb person will think that because they're Muslim they're Arab and thus they're terrorists.
Or possibly skip the middle step since it seems to be lumped together with religion rather than geographical region of origin. :|
 
@kbok Something similar has happened to me before. The water tank went a funny shape from the pressure, but did not actually burst :)
 
I like everyone until they try to bomb and/or stab me. Then I become unfriendly.
 
Keyword try. :Đ
 
@DomagojPandža You sound like me when I play Civ5
 
4:57 PM
try {
    other.stab(domagoj);
} catch(knife k) {
    k.stab_back(other);
}
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@DomagojPandža I'll remember to stick to rifles and arrows, so you'll remain friendly. :-)
 
@MartinJames I turned it off before it takes any damage. I won't be here for a couple of days so I suspect something may happen to it while I'm away, and I don't want to pay more for this.
 
@kbok Good move.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that was so expected
 
@Borgleader I like how in KotOR everyone wants to kill and burn everything, then I kick their asses and all of a sudden they're all friendly and clean of the dark side. It seems a blaster in the face really changes a (wo)man.
 
4:59 PM
@bamboon Someone had to do it :|
DON'T SAY I COULD NOT RESIST BECAUSE I'M A ROBOT!
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'Which is better, Java/C++' has sunk to -18.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes haha, yeah
 
@DomagojPandža Oh you don't play a self-centered lone wolf mass murderer?
 
'Double fault exception raised at address 0xDEADDEAD'
 
@MartinJames Hehe, seems like you hit an uninitialized variable
 
5:02 PM
@Borgleader I'm walking on a knife-edge.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@MartinJames Is "Java/C++" also a language now? :)
 
@FredOverflow Meh - I should have linked it, but couldn't be bothered.
 
> Please close Visual Studio now to reduce the chance that a computer restart will be required later.
 
5:09 PM
@CatPlusPlus Hehe - your debugger got out-of-control?
 
Nah VS Update 2
 
Whats in that update anyway?
 
Blue theme
 
Oh, fuckin' updates. Should'a guessed..
 
I'm just making fun of Microsoft installers whenever I can
 
5:10 PM
@CatPlusPlus O rly?
Does it come with neon lights?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes IRTA "tussig" at first
 
Yes, pink ones
 
@CatPlusPlus Which, BTW, has about the most ridiculous installation I've seen in a while -- keeps the CPU pegged at 100% usage for something like 5 minutes.
 
@CatPlusPlus the VS installers look really nice
 
Yes, that's what I'm looking for in an installer
Nice looks
 
5:11 PM
lol
 
If it's pink, air has leaked into your installer.
 
This is even more retarded than "bwaa that music player is ugly"
I just :psyduck:
I need to reimplement my finances Excel spreadsheet into something more flexible
 
VS Update 2 - Technology Improvements: Agile planning, Quality enablement, Windows development, Web development, Line-of-business development, Developer experience
Agile Planning? Web dev?!?
 
"Developer experience"
retards
COMBINE YOUR SYNERGIES
 
Xeo
Clang is C++11 feature complete as of *just now*! Here's the final commit by Richard Smith: http://llvm.org/viewvc/llvm-project?view=revision&revision=179858 #llvm #cxx11
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Wait, when did inherited ctors get in?
 
5:13 PM
@Xeo Shouldn't you know? You gave up on sleep yesterday to speak to the guy
 
@Xeo I don't watch trunk. Could have been there for a long time.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Last time I checked, it wasn't there :s
Time to hit svn log
 
There are virtual ctors, now?
 
@MartinJames You can inherit member types, does that make member types virtual?
 
So what you're saying is that Clang implemented C++03 and C++11 faster than MSVC updated its C++03 implementation with some C++11 features
 
5:16 PM
@LucDanton Good point.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus haha
 
@Xeo Is it SFINAE-complete?
 
Xeo
no clue
 
I think I'm going to start hoping someone makes it braindead easy to use g++ and/or clang in VS rather than hoping for Microsoft to implement C++11 features
 
3 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
It's an obscure reference to a joke in a book by Iain M. Banks.
 
5:19 PM
Lets say I have this videostream that I want to offer to Windows as a webcam, where should I start looking on how to do this?
 
user142019
lol Eclipse
 
lol OSX
 
@ScottW s/un//
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Q: Types of Design Patterns

sattyWhat are the various design pattern that exist. I know one design pattern that is Singleton. Do other design pattern also exists?Which and on what basis we can decide to use them in our software development(for a language suppose c++)?

 
That was fast. Thanks @Xeo.
> I know one design pattern that is Singleton.
 
5:22 PM
Why is feeds posting shitty questions?
 
Xeo
Good guy feeds.
 
Xeo
@Borgleader Because it was tagged
And we keep a very close eye on that tag
 
Ohhhh, that's a nice way to link dump!
 
The "rubbish Stack Overflow question" pattern is certainly popular these days. — Lightness Races in Orbit 7 secs ago
come on feeds
 
5:25 PM
Microsoft VS/MSVC11 FAQ:

Where's C++11 support?
*We believe C++11 support to be less important than agile planning, quality enablement and developer experience.*

But why?
*Ever since g++ and Clang defeated us in a duel, we've been working on developer experience.*

But why?
*Because we are evil.*

But why?
*I don't know, we are just evil, what did you expect?*

But why?
*Well, I suppose because our parents never loved us.*
 
too slow
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Q: What's my programming? Be specific

Lightness Races in OrbitI have always wondered how best to create a linked list in VB.NET. Do you have any idea? int main() { cout << "Haha April Fools'!"; }

 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What have you done?
OMG
 
I was hoping Feeds would pick it up immediately
 
Xeo
r179151 | rsmith | 2013-04-10 07:48:59 +0200 (Wed, 10 Apr 2013) | 2 lines

C++11 inheriting constructors: support for inheriting constructor templates.
 
I guess the latency is a decent measure of protection huh
 
Xeo
5:25 PM
over a week already
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Took 12 minutes for the one above.
 
Xeo
hm... should I build Clang now?
 
Oooooh, there's a clang-9999 package on the official repos.
 
Xeo
Wut?
 
9999 is a version that is always higher than whatever you have installed. It basically means "trunk".
 
Xeo
5:27 PM
oh wow
Do want
 
It's over 9000!
 
the joke's on you on X.Y.9998 release date
"oh shi-"
(Chrome and Firefox versioning comes to mind)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 9999 is major.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 9998.0.0 then
your mum is major
 
They can just add another 9..
 
5:30 PM
can I forward-declare an enum?
 
A scoped one, yes.
 
Xeo
Ya
@R.MartinhoFernandes Normal ones too, no?
enum stuff : int;
 
Oh, right.
 
@LuchianGrigore No, not today. Check back tomorrow, and maybe we'll let you! :-)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes scoped one?
nevermind
it compiled
good enough for me
 
5:31 PM
> Exception in thread Thread-2 (most likely raised during interpreter shutdown):
 
Xeo
@LuchianGrigore enum class
 
I have a bad plugin :(
 
@LuchianGrigore What for?
 
@CatPlusPlus so I don't include the header.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus To be a jerk. "This enumeration exists, but I'm not telling you the enumerators! Nanananana!"
 
5:32 PM
passing an enum value as parameter to a function.
 
Opaque enums!
 
Forward-declared enum has little value
 
@CatPlusPlus For declaring more stuff.
 
Well, it lets me have that enum in the signature
 
Move it to a separate header if the one it's in bothers you so much
 
5:33 PM
FWIW, a forward-declared enum is a complete type.
So you can use it for anything.
 
Of course it is
It wouldn't be C++ otherwise
 
user142019
lol C++
 
yes, lemme just modify the build files for the whole project, that'll certainly get me past the code review....
 
That's lame.
"Cannot do it right because code reviewers won't let me do it the right way" What's the point of code reviews? (assuming for a moment it is the right way)
I would say that when code reviews make you avoid doing it right, you have failed.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I found your +900 git question on this query: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/109312
^^ Was playing around with some statistics on the DE.
 
5:37 PM
@Mysticial +900? WTF
Holy shit, it's almost 1k.
 
Xeo
haha
I remember when it was at 200
 
@Mysticial There is certainly a lot of git there...
 
Yep
 
Gods forbid we put an enum into a separate header so it can be included without problems and stupid useless forward-declaring
 
> Type B's get nearly all their trafffic from a steady source such as: Search Engines, top questions list, or Jon Skeet's profile:
 
5:39 PM
Where do you see that question, exactly
 
@Mysticial What is the meaning of the variance index?
@CatPlusPlus Top Google result for "remove git submodule".
 
@CatPlusPlus It's about 1/8 of the way down.
@R.MartinhoFernandes "index = 100 * (Stddev(upvotes received for each UTC day*) + 1) / sqrt(total upvotes)"
Days where the post did not receive any upvotes are excluded from the N factor used to compute the standard deviation.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not this again. "right" is relative. Sure, you can make the code look pretty, but if your "correct" change breaks the program 100 ways because of hacks that have been there for years, it's not "correct" anymore.
 
@LuchianGrigore That's an entirely different thing from what you said above.
 
5:42 PM
I uh
What
 
Ok, time to get rid of save in favour of "copy ctor => multi-pass sequence; no move-only => single-pass sequence".
$ scoins
bash: scoins: command not found
$
 
Ell
Ah variance, we are doing statistics at school ATM
 
madebyevan.com/obscure-cpp-features "Function try blocks", I never knew that one.
 
Catching up on some old TV I missed - Supernatural. When are Sam and Dean going to apply some grease to the hinges of that old Chevvy? It makes me cringe every time they shut the doors.
 
5:52 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Buttcoins
 
@CatPlusPlus Those are so much butter.
 
I need an upvote before I leave for dinner.
 
Upvotes are robot snacks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes choose an answer
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How about a downvote?
 
5:55 PM
@EtiennedeMartel An upvote would offset it.
 
Visual C++ is way better than GCC
 
@GamesBrainiac ...but Java is better than either!
 
@JerryCoffin lol
No reallu
Visual C++ is so much better, it gives you better error messages
Has a better Debugger
 
5:59 PM
lol
 
Oh god stahp now
 
Ell
lol
 

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