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6:00 PM
K, I'm leaving! See you... maybe Monday.
 
WHat?!?!
 
Ell
Bye have a nice trip :)
 
Youre leaving for the weekend? :(
 
user142019
In file included from /home/travis/build/rightfold/oslash/include/oslash/parse.hpp:2:
/home/travis/build/rightfold/oslash/include/oslash/ast.hpp:3:10: fatal error: 'string' file not found
#include <string>
         ^
 
user142019
Piece of shit lol.
 
6:01 PM
@Zoidberg lol
What compiler?
 
user142019
clang
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Later.
 
Hey @EtiennedeMartel you use WPF a lot, got some favourite decent introductory stuff?
 
@CatPlusPlus Hahahahahahahahaha
No.
WPF has what you might call a "difficulty curve".
 
Okay, a non-decent one? :v:
 
Eh, books
 
> Iterators cannot have ref or out parameters
Damn you, Hejlsberg.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You've read it?
 
@Borgleader I actually read the previous version, which was for WPF 3.
 
And it's good?
 
6:07 PM
Yes.
 
user142019
Travis y u no Boost.
 
I've been looking for a book on WPF.
 

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not very active but friendly
 
The book is 3 years old already? damn...
 
But, yeah, @CatPlusPlus, what's going on?
 
6:08 PM
Is there any way to just use one particular Boost Library, so that you can make your project a bit more portable/
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hm?
 
@Borgleader WPF 4 is 3 years old.
 
@Borgleader I also liked it, nice with color print for gui stuff
 
Say, you just want to use the Graph class
And not all of Boost.
 
@CatPlusPlus You wanna do some WPF?
 
6:09 PM
Yeah
 
@EtiennedeMartel Which means WPF 5 should be around the corner, and hence a new book?
 
@Borgleader That is if Microsoft does not drop WPF support.
 
I want to replace my ad-hoc finance spreadsheet
 
Current management doesn't seem to like managed stuff very much, mostly because it doesn't play well on mobile and Microsoft seems to think that they have to pour all their resources there.
 
Acts of desperate people
 
6:10 PM
So, until we see a WinRT WPF, don't bet on a WPF 5.
 
would be sad if wpf was deprecated
 
Should I use Blend or is it for fancier stuff
 
not blend imo, think Blend is dead also
 
@CatPlusPlus I only write pure XAML.
None of that designer crap.
 
I'm not a fan of writing XML for any reason
 
6:12 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I even write my path data by hand :D
 
@CatPlusPlus You have VS, right?
 
Yes he does
 
Anyway, using a designer will lead to ugly code.
That's how it works.
 
1 hour ago, by Cat Plus Plus
> Please close Visual Studio now to reduce the chance that a computer restart will be required later.
 
Also, look up on MVVM.
 
6:16 PM
Fuck yeah bloom effects
 
I've seen many people dismiss WPF as a piece of shit because they started using it as some mutant form of WinForms, faced many issues and problems, and then blamed it instead of their fucked up workflow.
 
I have a query.
I am a bit unsure. Could I send somebody just the XInput.lib and XInput.h headers? I am a bit divided, after having red the DirectX SDK terms of use.
This so they can build it themselves.
 
Import library can be generated from DLL so whatever, but headers you can't redistribute
 
I'd say learn about:
1 binding & INotifyPopertyChanged
2 wpf panels
3 ListView/ListBox, ItemsTemplate, ItemsPanel, ItemsSource
profit
(then you can play around with styling etc.)
 
Yeah, binding is top priority.
 
6:21 PM
You cannot redistribute the header? I would think it the other way around. Anyway. I ask this because I feel it a bit wasteful to download the entire SDK if all you want is that tiny part.
 
Anyone enjoyed Data Structures class @ University?
 
@GamesBrainiac yeah, actually, though I went to an American college, not technically a university.
 
@GamesBrainiac I don't think anyone can enjoy any class at any university.
 
My professor was a goofball, and the class was only about 20 people in a high-school-sized room.
 
6:23 PM
@ShotgunNinja Same here! :P
 
Sweet.
 
The professor copies questions and solutions from other universities
Gives them to us
And gives us a 0, when he doesn't have the solution himself! :P
 
@ShotgunNinja Why are you in all the main rooms? Only I can do taht.
 
Algorithms, however, I ended up failing since I didn't get the last lab done in time.
@CCInc Because you touch yourself at night.
 
uhh.. exiting silently
 
6:25 PM
@GamesBrainiac I sort of did -- but that was so long ago that it was taught in assembly language, because virtually all of the higher-level languages of the time (especially Fortran) made working with data structures somewhere between painful and impossible.
 
@Pawnguy7 You probably need more than just that header anyway
Parts of SDK are not useful
 
@JerryCoffin Yea. Using C++ here, its annoying, this goddam language is so hard to debug
especially with templates involved
 
@GamesBrainiac So don't write bugs. Why would you write bugs just to remove them later?
 
@JerryCoffin lol. I don't write them, I just don't know how to test all code? For example, you can use testacular for testing javascript or use phpunit for php
that way you have test-driven development.
I have no clue as to how you do that here.
 
6:28 PM
No, really? Tell us more about that
 
(in c++)
 
You know there's nothing magical about testing frameworks right
 
@GamesBrainiac Testacular? What a terrible name.
 
@ShotgunNinja I concur.
But does the job well though.
 
> This project has been renamed to Karma.
I wonder why.
 
6:34 PM
why not Testicle while they were at it?
 
@CatPlusPlus the header and the lib, but I don't think anything else, in order to only build it
 
@GamesBrainiac Testicular cancer for testing JavaScript? What?
 
@JerryCoffin Yes.
 
@ShotgunNinja I feel sheepish.
 
6:40 PM
Seriously though, there are half a dozen (or more) test frameworks for C++ (Boost, Google, CppUnit [avoid at all costs], etc.)
 
Catch
 
user142019
Catch is great.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ok that is actually pretty damn cool
 
My R# trial is running out
 
@CatPlusPlus Better buy it!
(Honestly, I actually own a R# license)
 
6:42 PM
Too expensive
 
do you use R# at work? Think it is ok to use the same license at home.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Your single header of all the wheels utilities is amazing :)
 
I dont do enough C# to buy it, but I do have VAX
 
@CatPlusPlus You cheapskate.
 
I barely use it
If it cost the half of what it is now
 
6:45 PM
Oh oh, 50% off for personal licenses on JetBrains product before april 22.
 
Yeah I mean half of that
 
.@havocp @migueldeicaza You do realise that this guy is essentially a troll, and the infamous C++FQA a bad joke?
Oh Miguel, what the hell?
 
C# edition: 100$. Pretty good deal.
 
VAX is 50$ when youre a student ^.^
 
I mostly bought it to support them because they're awesome and they make great stuff.
"Vote with your wallet", in short.
 
6:48 PM
> The whole time I was just cringing about all the small droplets of water floating around and going onto the walls, all of them full of electronic devices... (shiver)
^ me too
 
@klmr it is normal for you to feel annoyed by it, it is called cognitive dissonance, look it up on Wikipedia
Oh dear.
 
lol
 
Oh no someone is wrong about C++
 
@klmr it is normal for you to feel annoyed by it, it is called cognitive dissonance, look it up on Wikipedia
what the fuck?!
 
2 mins ago, by Etienne de Martel
@klmr it is normal for you to feel annoyed by it, it is called cognitive dissonance, look it up on Wikipedia
I'm hurt.
 
6:50 PM
There was a brief moment when the C++FQA was relevant when it was released. It was questioning what some people were doing with C++. That criticism is completely outdated and irrelevant for commenting on the language. (Which everyone using it knows is fucked up.)
 
Onebox it several more times!
 
You don't even read what I post here.
I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME
 
Onebox all the tweets!
 
@migueldeicaza Also, I realise that Twitter isn’t a great discussion medium but this tweet crossed the line of civilised discourse.
 
I was kidding of course
 
6:53 PM
@Borgleader Oh, damn!
 
All of that started because of this tweet.
Interesting to see that Miguel would use outdated stuff to back his point.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ahm. Hm. Indeed. Whoops.
 
Does the FQA even address or acknowledge C++11?
 
Oh no someone said something bad about my favourite language :qq:
Seriously, you're all crazy
 
And even then, the FQA can be summarized either as "I think every language should have feature X, and C++ doesn't have it, so it sucks" or "This C++ tool sucks, therefore C++ itself sucks".
Enough of that, thank you.
 
6:55 PM
Oi I was doing that
 
@CatPlusPlus We wouldn't care if he at least said stuff that makes sense.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Since when do you have the power to do that? Is it the beard?
 
@Borgleader Since I'm a room owner.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You shouldn't care period
Unless you want to derail and troll it I guess
 
@CatPlusPlus Why is that?
 
6:56 PM
@EtiennedeMartel What for?
 
@EtiennedeMartel when did that happen?
 
@CatPlusPlus Twitter is a very poor platform for that.
 
It's a waste of time
 
@Borgleader Several months ago.
 
well congratulations to you :P
 
6:59 PM
@EtiennedeMartel s/ for that// FTFY.
 
Jerry Coffin, Hater Extraordinaire.
 
Jolly Coffin, Lover Extraordinaire
@ThePhD that should be his avatar for your game
 
I'll have you know
I like the C++FQA a lot. It is frequently insightful. Very (thought) provocative. And smart. Of course, I know the balance too, and I still love C++11 a lot, consequently.
 
Whats C++FQA? Formidably Questionable Answers?
 
Google it. You'll be in for a few days' reading.
 
7:03 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Recognizing mediocrity doth not a hater make.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Jerry Koffing, Sludgeball Extraordinaire.
 
user142019
Damn.
 
user142019
Fucking stack overflow.
 
@sehe Hmm I'll take a short break from studying and look it up
 
Really, what's so different about people ranting about PHP or MySql? It essentially starts out with the same thing: Yes, there are rather large deficiencies in the language and tools.
What the FQA has got going against it is that C++ also brings an enormous potential to the table, that is otherwise untapped. This is where the comparison with average PHP/MySql rant ends.
@Zoidberg A real one? Or the site?
 
user142019
7:05 PM
@sehe too many stack frames.
 
user142019
Recursion fail.
 
user142019
#29950 0x000000010005af04 in oslash::parse::compound_stmt () at parse.hpp:57
#29951 0x00000001000615df in oslash::parse::statement () at parse.hpp:51
#29952 0x000000010005af04 in oslash::parse::compound_stmt () at parse.hpp:57
#29953 0x00000001000615df in oslash::parse::statement () at parse.hpp:51
 
user142019
And so on lol.
 
@edemartel did you notice I linked to "defective" document and not the one-by-one FQA? Not interested in discussing strawmen
He doesn't seem to be interested in discussing anything.
 
Has anybody here used the DirectX SDK?
 
7:07 PM
@Pawnguy7 Can you be more vague?
 
user142019
Weird thing is, it should fail on the opening brace already instead of recurse.
 
I don't know in what way that is vague.
 
@sehe I can't say I like it much. He does have some good points, but it's quite poorly written -- when you get down to it, essentially everything he has to say could be summarized in a page or two (at very most). It's the prose equivalent of the "enterprise hello world" programs.
 
@JerryCoffin I agree to that. Yet, like I just read here he's not writing from ignorance. (He's just frequently ignoring context and or solution idioms that would render features less useless/inhibiting)
@JerryCoffin I agree that the form is ... well it appeals to the humour muscle more than the ratio muscle. But I happen to like that. I like C.S. Lewis, Laus Stultutiae (Erasmus), and recently "Memoirs of God" too...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Check this out.
 
7:13 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Why should he be?
 
@sehe I don't know. I thought he would be a reasonable kind of person.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ... look at what you just said. It's the sound of butthurt
 
@sehe Yes.
I got fucked by a guy with some serious street creds.
 
user142019
Fuck.
 
user142019
I need lazy evaluation. :v
 
7:15 PM
@Zoidberg You already have lazy implementation.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah. Well, he's not said much wrong. In his universe there isn't a good reason to use C++. He is entitled to that opinion. And referring to a summary of the points from the FQA is not the worst argument he can make.
(The fact is, he can still have his opinion, even without the arguments. The question whether the FQA is a trollish document or not doesn't really matter.)
Look at the bright side, Miguel is likely to be a lot more reasonable about things than our FQA guy :)
 
@sehe Actually, his lack of ignorance is one of the things that bothers me -- reading through the FQA, it's quite obvious he knows C++ well enough to realize that most of his complaints are really nonsense. You can't write enough C++ to know to write what he did, without knowing that most of these are either not problems at all, or arise so rarely in real use that they're a little like declaring planet earth uninhabitable in its entirety because the dead quarter of Saudi Arabia is too dry.
 
@JerryCoffin It feels pretty trollish to me but you can know C++ and still not like it, sometimes it is just ideology and usually you won't change someones ideology no matter how hard you try. I prefer being practical about how I choose my solutions but some people want purity or what not
 
How hard is it to implement a thread pool? (using c++11 features)
 
7:27 PM
The other part that bothers me (even more, probably) is his taking his own opinions and (lack of) taste, and treating anything and everything he dislikes or disagrees with as objectively wrong.
 
@JerryCoffin He doesn't care about facts. He cares about his opinions. It's really quite simple. :|
I'm not saying he's 'allowed to do that' or 'it is good to be that way'. It just appears to be the case, and this is how the world works.
I find it far more troubling in, say, the context of gun control, or (xeno-)(homo-)(...-)phobia.
 
@sehe I don't mind his caring only about his own opinions -- but trying to treat his own opinions as incontrovertible facts bothers me.
 
Does he? In my mind he acts like his opinions are not subvertible. Which is... okay be me. Maybe I'm missing some discussion pieces where he clearly crosses that line.
But, still: the guy has an opinion and loves to troll. Where do we often encounter this again? :)
 
Haha. You cannot legally benchmark *DirectX SDK stuffs and reveal the results - unless, of course, Microsoft lets you.
 
@sehe I can sort of understand that, but in a way I don't see it as fundamentally much different.
@sehe Trolling when people realize you're trolling is one thing. Trolling when (as in this case) people are treating it if it were real.
 
7:36 PM
I do see the essential similarities (which is why I bring it up). What I think makes me so accepting of the phenomenons is that I do feel the world (necessarily) works this way.
An area where I ***would*** get worked up about such dis-informations is e.g. scientific research or real life politics. Sadly, it happens there too (albeit less accepted)
 
@Pawnguy7 They've had rules like that about most of their stuff for years now. To an extent, it's even understandable, and with most of it, you just have to meet their requirements (which mostly mean things like including the specs of the hardware you used, and source to any software so your results can be reproduced).
 
@JerryCoffin The (sad?) state of human affairs appears to be, people can't know the difference in the majority of cases. A few 'homo universalis' philosophers aside who succeed at knowing the "flawed human condition", this is largely a given.
If history is bound to repeat itself, it is for these very reasons. Sartre was on to something.
 
@sehe have you seen this?
 
@JerryCoffin Yes, it makes sense. I just wish I could figure out the SDK EULA, though.
 
@JohanLarsson Strangely relevant :)
 
7:41 PM
@Borgleader depends on how complicated you want it, I implemented one here if you like to have a starting point. It is based on Anthony Williams example from "Concurrency in Action". github.com/StephanDollberg/BAM/blob/master/include/bam/…
 
user142019
Fixed. :3
 
user142019
Now it can parse fun sqrt() { { ;; {} ; } ; { ; { ;;;; } ; } ;;; ; }. :3
 
@bamboon Thanks I'll take a look at it :) I haven't done any threaded application since my assignments for OS class in uni 3 years ago (where we had to use POSIX threads T_T)
 
@Borgleader you probably want to start with the basics then ^^
 
@sehe though the site and the q might interest you
 
7:47 PM
@Zoidberg I've never seen a sqrt like it
 
Will the world always be constrained by a bunch of legal jargon?
 
@Pawnguy7 Define "world", "constrained" and "legal jargon".
 
@Pawnguy7 Please just dont go down that road...
 
Ell
I want to learn LDAP and ActiveDirectory and stuff
 
@Ell I extend my sincerest condolences...
 
Ell
7:51 PM
Haha
But I think it's very difficult without having lots of computers :(
 
the internet is full of computers, borrow a few
 
So this exists. Have fun :)
 
I mean, even the open-source license, LGPL, seems... similar. I am all for open source, but it introduces a muck of things into it, and all of your code might be LGPLed. Sigh. Yet, I don't think you can legally say "you are free to use it however you want." Because, of course, you are liable. Sigh.
 
@TonyTheLion @EtiennedeMartel already linked the first one in the chat, but nice find <3<3<3
 
7:53 PM
@Ell When you get down to it, LDAP is pretty simple: it's an interface to a hierarchical database. AD is one of the databases you can access that way. Nearly all the complexity is in the data they throw into the database(s) and in how they use it, not in LDAP or AD itself.
 
..wut
 
Dunno if lol
 
Ell
My curiosity began on wondering how I could replace all of my schools windows xp computers with ubuntu. Then I thought, how do the computers all login on the network? Then I discover LDAP and active directory :3
But I don't really understand it yet
 
Haha. The vacuum sucks :D
 
@melak47 radiation, apparently
 
7:58 PM
@Ell Basic database stuff -- does user XXX exist? Can user XXX log into domain YYY at this time? What rights does user XXX have on domain YYY?
 
the porn user is Zoidberg right?
 
Ell
I always dream that all the computers in my house would be connected to a server (domain controller?) and data is shared across them.
Does all of the user's data live on the server? I'm just thinking that when the user logs in, wouldn't gbs of data have to be transferred?
 
@Ell You can do that (Microsoft calls them roaming profiles). And yes, when you do that, logging in can be really slow. You can also set up a domain controller to just centralize credentials and such, so (for example) changing your password once changes it across your entire network.
 
user142019
Error messages with templates keep wonderful. pastebin.com/4Kxm6c5Z
 
@JerryCoffin Just to note, this is the Windows way, with drawbacks and benefits.
 
user142019
8:04 PM
Compiler y u no export symbol.
 
@CaptainGiraffe ...but most competitors have roughly similar capabilities, most of them with roughly similar compromises.
 
@JerryCoffin But very different procedures.
@Zoidberg Dude compile them in the proper order.
 
user142019
How? They're all templates.
 
user142019
Everything is inline.
 
And the error is a non existing symbol?
 
8:10 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Oh, of course. Procedures are always different...
 
@JerryCoffin Are you familiar with shibboleth?
 
@CaptainGiraffe You mean the original from the Bible, or something else?
 
@CatPlusPlus I WAS PLAYING DARKSOULS AND I MADE IT TO 1.5 MILLION SOULS
 
@JerryCoffin An extension to ldap with CAS support =)
 
Don't you just love it when you (fix) hide a bug and have no idea how?
 
8:12 PM
AND THEN I FELL THROUGH THE FLOOR WITH SOME STUPID GLITCH AND I LOST ALL OF MY SOULS
ALL OF THEM ALLLLL OF HTEM ONE A HALF MILLLLIIOON
 
@CaptainGiraffe Oh, nope.
 
Q_Q
FUCK YOU, HAVOK PHYSICS
FUCK YOU DROPPING ME THROUGH THE GODDAMN FLOOR
 
@LuchianGrigore Yeah - you know the little bastard is still out there, waiting in the dark....
 
Ell
I wonder how often stacked crooked will look at feedback :3
 
8:15 PM
What happens when you walk in the dark with your shoes on? Dark Soles
I'm so punny
 
@ScottW Hiyo
@ScottW D: I would die if someone called me ThePhP.
 
@JohanLarsson Mmm. Yeah. I love reading that stuff, but I usually refrain from philosophical debate. I have concluded (after trying for many years) that I find it tiresome and of limited value. I usually jump to my personal ideals, sources of inspiration and vision (if any) and try to be satisfied with knowing that adhering to them might make the world slightly better, at least according to my own norms.
Yeah, that's pretty modest. But I really don't think there is much more profound truth to be had, let alone, to be agreed upon.
For 'old time's sake' here's one comment that happened on my keyboard just now:
I'm thinking "gravity" fits the description of this "book" (it is untangible, yet appears to be omnipresent and rarely debated). My point is: this implies the perception of it (the 'book') by humans is important to qualify, and yet we know how perception is a debatable source of truth. For starters, we could have a phenomenon satisfy the criteria 'locally', with no way to assess universal applicability. My stance is, we couldn't know, even if we went along with the assumptions stated in your answer. — sehe 4 mins ago
@ThePhD Hey, @ThePhP!
 
Dead.
 
user142019
Fuuuck.
 
@Zoidberg Meh. If that's impressive, you don't do C++ nearly enough :|
 
user142019
8:24 PM
It's still annoying as fuck.
 
so stop making mistakes :DD
 
I see. Best to avoid it, then
 
user142019
I decrypted it and the culprit is a call to sepby.
 
user142019
But sepby is a template. :|
 
user142019
If it can't be instantiated it should already be a compile-time error and not a link-time error.
 
Xeo
8:25 PM
I'll put my money on you just sucking.
 
user142019
And using LLVM instead of ld for linking crashes LLVM. xD
 
user142019
It compiles with sepby1 but not with sepby wat.
 
user142019
Uh. Wat. The compiler should have caught this.
 
@sehe I don't think I agree with any of his points
 
user142019
I had parser<std::vector<T>> sepby(parser<T> p, parser<T> s) instead of parser<std::vector<T>> sepby(parser<T> p, parser<U> s). It works now.
 
8:29 PM
@Zoidberg Just breathe-in, breathe-out; keep your calm, bite the bullet and know that it's usually a typical mistake (missing template, typename, reversed, accidental deduced cv-qualification or T& where you expected T&, forgotten ::type in traits, ADL, implicit conversions (evil), failure to deduce template arguments (dependent names or subtly incompatible argument type (It vs It& eg)). Well, you know, it's usually less than half a day to think of the obvious reason :| /cc @melak47
 
user142019
lol another stack overflow.
 
user142019
C++ y u no lazy parameters like D.
 
@sehe I like how you just summed that all up in one paragraph.
 
@TonyTheLion It's not hard. I get that everyday, so it's just a recap of what I've seen happen in the last, say, 48 hours :)
 
@Xeo He's a vacuum cleaner, he always sucks. :P
 
8:31 PM
@JohanLarsson They seemed to come out of thin air. Some of them resonate slightly, but I was quick to think of something that might satisfy all the properties listed, and then question it :)
 
@sehe It may not be hard, but some of these things still baffle me, probably because I don't really get them.
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion lol
 
like failure to deduce template arguments
 
user142019
I need a defer function.
 
Xeo
And that would do.. what exactly?
 
8:35 PM
@TonyTheLion Oh well. I get confused sometimes. E.g. when I tried to do recursive variadic pack enumeration with explicit template arguments the other day, or when I got a fit of existential confusion about universal references once again
@Zoidberg Sounds like you want phoenix actors (wild guess)
It's at those times that I come to the lounge. And am continuously baffled by the ability of others to keep these things straight in their minds. Robots, Xeo, Luc usually pop the bubble in minutes, if not seconds.
 
Xeo
hi
 
@sehe Just curious: is there more than one robot?
 
Nah. Consider it pluralis majestatis. I was being sketchy about "people such as..."
 
@ScottW opening pheonix
 
8:42 PM
 
user142019
hi
 
Xeo
@sehe Apropos that first thing, I'll try to pick Richard's brain about the partial ordering with <C, Cs...> vs <C> with just template parameter packs, and not function parameter packs
As soon as I get a hold of him, that is.
 
@Xeo you mean, explicit template arguments? [Or did you mean class templates i'm not seeing?]
 
Stuff gets interesting 'round here.
 
@Xeo Wasn't the proposal on overload sets yours? It seems to be right in this area of focus
 
Xeo
8:44 PM
template<class C, class... Cs> void foo() vs template<class C> void foo() in overloading, when called as foo<X>()
 
@Xeo Ah. So, explicit arguments then
 
@EtiennedeMartel What's the panda up to this time?
 
@Borgleader No idea.
Le Devoir chose that photo for their article about how 50 organizations oppose P-6.
 
Template argument deduction from function params is sweet, as everybody who uses make_XXXX<> function templates knows.
 
Xeo
[22:45:09] <zygoloid> Xeo: hi
[22:45:20] <Xeo> zygoloid: Hope I'm not annoying you :)
[22:45:54] <zygoloid> :) nope, committee work is mostly over now. sitting in reflection sg
[22:46:03] <zygoloid> apparently i've been volunteered to implement some stuff
2
He "has been volunteered"
lol'd
 
8:46 PM
Yeah I loled at that too
 
> if your function accepts const std::vector<const char*>& and I have a std::vector<char*> object, then I can't pass it to your function because the types aren't convertible
^ SO had a question about that and explained why it must be forbidden for reasons of type safety
does anybody know how to find this (or can explain it)? I can’t remember …
 
What's up?
 
Xeo
Richard "being volunteered" to implement reflection stuff
 
Haha just saw that
 
Alright, so.
 
8:54 PM
also swipe typing op
 
@KonradRudolph I have that.
 
day 1: so far nexus is cool
 
@LucDanton The case isn’t orthogonal here since the case shown in the answer cannot occur here
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I've talked to my boss today to get a Nexus 7
 
The reason is related but different …
 
8:55 PM
My friend has one
 
Unfortunately(?) there are a lot of questions of that style, except they're all subtly different. No good one answer to point every one to either.
 
he is quite happy with it
 
Xeo
It seems to be pretty good, atleast it got good ratings all around, and some of my coworkers have it too
 
@LucDanton I’m specifically concerned with the difference in const qualifiers
 
@KonradRudolph Then I don't recall a question involving that.
 
8:57 PM
@Luc As in, why can’t I cast char** to char const* const*
 
Xeo
@KonradRudolph C++FAQ has that
(the parashift one)
 
Oh :s Old stuff that's not as interesting. I just keep enough room in my head to remember the C-FAQ covers that.
 
Hmm there, ’s also this: stackoverflow.com/a/78218/1968
 
Ell
I have a nexus 7
 
Xeo
8:59 PM
@sehe: Good news! The explicit template argument version should be fine, is what Richard thinks, but Standard still needs wording for DR1359.
 
Hello.
 

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