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Xeo
1:00 PM
@Zoidberg define "used" :P
 
user142019
Well, it's a 256 GB USD drive, so… you can use it in all kin… okay nevermind.
 
1:16 PM
“You are about to make a Mistake”: http://i.imgur.com/qQyNROH.jpg
 
Xeo
lol
 
straw polling on string_view now
 
1:39 PM
hello. may here ask a question?
 
just ask away
 
string_view's fate being decided right now
 
Xeo
@bamboon noooo
 
@DeadMG Keeeeel it!
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Wut!
 
@Xeo Die!
 
Xeo
Luc's on a !day today?
 
lol
 
It is a monday :(
 
Xeo
Laptop of a buddy died first thing in the morning.
Bad monday.
 
1:41 PM
But Frühling!
 
user1357851
When robot out-nerded by others ... priceless moment ...
 
Xeo
template<class T> using mon = std::not<T>; /* ... */ mon<day>
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh yeah. I did only wear two layers of clothing today.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, endlich Frühling. :P
 
Ahoy
 
1:43 PM
@LucDanton I never wear more than two layers of clothing + coat.
 
Any suggestions for a postgres library? I've been looking into pqxx, I'm also going to consider SOCI.
 
We actually went to the park yesterday.
 
user142019
@Chisholm HDBC-PostgreSQL
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But with one more layer (of abstraction), you could rule the world.
 
string_view passes first LEWG hurdle
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Xeo
1:44 PM
Nice
 
You should tweet your reports.
 
user1357851
The more layers of code (libraries) the harder to dig up bugs
 
user1357851
simple, light & agile = early autumn
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You sure know what it takes to be cool.
 
@volkov: Have we switched to Lounge<asm> ?
 
1:46 PM
 
Xeo
Your question, for the bin.
 
you should check it out. It's a pretty useful site
 
@ereOn asm chat not exist
 
Xeo
@volkov So why ask here?
 
@volkov So what makes you think we would care here ?
 
1:46 PM
string_view rejected for C++14 in favour of TS
 
c++ very near
3
 
@volkov So? You should try posting the question in a chat room for cooking. Or fashion, perhaps
 
user142019
in C#, 15 secs ago, by Ammaedragas
@Zoidberg respect please
 
C is probably even more, but even there it would be inappropriate.
 
Questions should go on the "Questions" part of the site anyway. I have no idea why.
 
Xeo
1:47 PM
@DeadMG Aw
 
@volkov er, no. The fucking Q/A website called stackoverflow is "very near" where you should ask programming questions
 
I voted strongly against C++14 personally
 
user142019
You're getting a segfault because you're using assembly instead of a decent programming language.
 
@volkov What makes you think this room is for answering any kind of questions?
@DeadMG TS?
 
@volkov What about making full sentences, with verbs, punctuation and stuff ? Or perhaps your time is more precious than ours so it's ok we have to spend more time understanding you ?
 
1:48 PM
@jalf but they don't know c++
 
Xeo
@jalf The new TR
 
@volkov fuck off
 
@jalf kinda like TR
 
We don't know assembly.
 
1:48 PM
@Zoidberg I'm not certain that I want to write my DB code in Haskell, thanks for the suggestion though.
 
Everyone in this room are also on stackoverflow. And hundreds of other C++ developers are on stackoverflow but not in this room
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Why?
 
Therefore, stackoverflow knows more C++ than this room
 
Xeo
Most importantly, asm developers ar on SO
 
More importantly, and I can't stress that enough : Stackoverflow probably cares more about your assembly problem than this room.
 
1:49 PM
@Xeo Because it's not urgent and there's lots to fit in C++14. The existing library solutions are fine. There's no reason to rush it- it's not a major functionality.
 
What is wrong with you seriously, you just wasted twice the time it takes to ask a question on SO
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Well, true.
But it's not like your vote counts anyways :P
 
@DeadMG IMO string_view is not about functionality, it's about having a ubiquitous interface.
 
Now, given the choice between asking the question on a website with tens of thousands of users, dedicated to answering questions about programming, and asking the question in a chat room with 20 active users dedicated to not answering programming questions, what kind of drugs do you have to ingest to reach the conclusion that the chat room is the best place to ask?
 
1:50 PM
I'm trying to declare and initialise a const unsigned long private member of a class in C++ and receiving the error that ISO C++ forbids it, what could be going wrong?
 
my vote was not a swing vote in this regard anyway
LEWG was very strongly in favour of TS
 
IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO GRASP?
 
@alan2here This is not really a help desk you know.
 
@alan2here, @volkov where on this page does it say that "this chat room is for programming questions"?
 
1:51 PM
> Why do I get segmentation fault? -- holy fuck, why people don't use debuggers?
 
lol
 
Why is the LEWG lamely called a 'group' anyway? It could be something cool instead, like a diet.
 
Xeo
lol, one of our artists just got a stack underflow in Flash.
 
@jalf Have you realized how this image followed by this all-caps sentence make a quite good logo ?! - "Stack Overflow - IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO GRASP ?"
 
1:52 PM
@Xeo huh?
 
Needs more recursion?
 
If you are too stupid to find the world's biggest programming Q&A site, then you are too stupid to program. And I usually don't find it appropriate to call people stupid, but in this case, I can think of no other explanation
 
Xeo
true && trace('123');
Older compiler
in release mode
 
@ereOn yeah, actually that occurred to me too, when I saw it :)
 
@jalf Wait, it isn't experts exchange after all?
 
Xeo
1:53 PM
holy crap, seriously.
 
user1357851
How many bins are there amongst SO chats? The six that I can name are: Bin, Dust, recycle bin, Trash can ... sand pit to less extend, annnd NonTech Messages of Smart Developers' Lab (umm, what?)
 
okay okay why be so aggressive it's just a question. sorry
 
@volkov that was a stupid question.
 
@volkov Because we get people like you all day long and it's quite depressing having to say the same things over and over because you can't spend 2 minutes thinking about what a chat room is for.
 
@volkov Because you spam us with your question, instead of posting it on the site where you know it should be posted
 
1:55 PM
@jalf nah, that one shouldn't be posted on SO
 
Because you decided that "pestering random people in a random chat room with my programming question" was the best way to get help
 
@volkov: Posting here has only disadvantages :

- Your question is less visible to people around the world so less likely to be answsered and used by other people in the same situation
- Your question is put in the middle of other discussions instead of having it's own page
- This is assembly, this chat room is about C++. Try the PHP chat room and see how they react. THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME.
 
Xeo
 
"plz debug my crappy code" doesn't fit Q&A format
 
it doesn't fit the chat room format either btw
 
1:56 PM
user image
11
 
+1 for freehand arrows
 
+★
 
+🍌
 
@Abyx that's what code review is for, right? :D
 
@melak47 nope.
 
1:59 PM
aww :p
 
LEWG votes strongly in favour of keeping those crappy rfind and find_last_of etc.
 
there should be a banana board, so instead of starring stupid crap, people can banana it
 
Why would they cut them?
@melak47 Ask the Cat for a script.
 
Xeo
string_view proposal has a good rationale for why those are included.
 
I use path.rfind('/') sometimes
 
2:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes The proposal as presented was half cleaned up, half compatible.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes heh
 
In other words, half incompatible, which means it is incompatible. ;)
 
which is why the LEWG has voted to restore compatibility
 
Oh on string_view?
 
Hmm, I should look at the string_view proposal later, when I have time
 
2:02 PM
except in the case of basic_string::copy, which didn't really get a consensus (very weakly in favour)
 
Xeo
That function is fucked up anyways
 
Why aren't those algorithms in <algorithm> anyway?
 
LEWG decided out of scope for this paper, and they want the ranges interfaces ready before making range-based free algorithms.
 
23 mins ago, by Luc Danton
@DeadMG Keeeeel it!
Because std::basic_string is not something to be emulated.
 
@DeadMG We don't even have, e.g., find_last_of for iterators.
 
2:05 PM
Also I don't want to insinuate anything at all but that proposal was largely backed by the people at Google.
Today is poison the well monday!
 
@LucDanton Ugh, all their proposals are about template-avoidance.
 
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Q: How do a library function (C) call on gnu assembly language?

volkovI compile a code. .data ssttrr: .string "%d\n" .text .globl main main: mov $213, %rdx push %rdx push $ssttrr call _printf add $8, %rsp or it .global main .text main: push %rax # caller-save register push %rcx # caller-save register mov $...

He actually asked before coming here. No excuses then.
 
@LucDanton Frankly, it got a bit of a spanking here at the LEWG.
 
Ya know, I might have been generous with the caffeine dosage.
It's nice to have my tags file useful for once.
 
user1357851
Did you guys actually meet up at the conference?
 
user1357851
2:17 PM
Or was that all talk & no action
 
LEWG votes in favour of ""s being basic_string_view rather than basic_string.
 
is qt4 and qtcreator 2.4 the same thing?
under "About QT Creater" it says "based on QT4
 
GOOD EVENING EVERbODY HOW ARE YOURPOINTERZDOING?
 
> La bonne réponse était: on s'en calisse.
Good morning peeps.
 
Nothing is good
 
2:23 PM
@CatPlusPlus references are kinda good.
 
@refp tolower() perhaps ?
 
@ereOn didn't really feel like it tbh
 
user1357851
@refp but you asked what our pointers are doing?
 
user1357851
*this = 0;
 
@Telkitty how they are doing
 
user1357851
2:25 PM
@refp I am doing what I shouldn't be doing, i.e. chatting here :p
 
@Telkitty but.. what has that got to do with your pointers?
who are taking care of your pointers!?
we can't have pointers on the run, they are not 100% safe.. they can cause mayhem
TAKE CARE OF YOUR POINTERS.
 
user1357851
pointing to the wrong thing :'(
 
Okay, this is boring. I'm out. Cya.
 
and what did you try to imply with *this = 0?
@ereOn dereference you later.
 
user1357851
doing nothing ...
 
user1357851
2:28 PM
he's bad memory, can't be dereferenced
 
LEWG votes to send string_view to LWG after changes in favour of compatibility are made
 
hmm, I wonder if one could mess up a novice programmer by saying "tell me what is wrong with; *this = 0;"
I mean, there's nothing wrong.. so maybe that is a really evil question and it should be rephrased
I must say that this isn't very exciting.. someone come up with some interesting topic asap!
 
user1357851
change the chat description
 
user1357851
Lounge<Bait>
 
user1357851
2:32 PM
We love newb bashing
 
user1357851
A newb coming in this room is a like a piece of bread crumb dropped in a fish pond, soon will vanish from all the nibbles by the sharp teeth of the regular fishes
 
@Telkitty No.
 
A newb came in the other day, and he was pretty nice.
He wanted to learn.
 
it's all lies
 
2:36 PM
So we helped him.
It's all about the attitude.
 
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Q: starting work - knowledge

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Sure, many newbies come in here and just dump their question. But the problem isn't their newb status. The problem is the link dumping.
2
 
Yeah, I have no problem with newbies asking newbie questions
It's the "accosting random strangers in a random chat room because you think that your question is too important to be asked on SO" part I object to
@EtiennedeMartel are you surprised?
 
@jalf Not so much.
 
2:39 PM
IMO, noobs shouldn't ask questions. they should search answers by themselves
 
I'm of the "search on your own, ask if you're stuck" variety.
 
@jalf Can anyone here debug my code? It's private and can't be posted on SO but you need to take time out of your day to specifically debug my code for me, I even have private VPN sessions....
 
But at least show you've done something.
 
^ Best by far.
Then, when you say no or tell them to make an SSCCE for Stack Overflow, they will tell you that you're a ~~looser~~
My brain is fried. I'm still on 4/3 hours of sleep. x_X
... Fuck my brain.
 
No, fuck your messed up sleep schedule.
 
user1357851
2:42 PM
Where is your 'willing to help newbs' attitude now :p
 
@CatPlusPlus You're good to me, Cat. <333
 
@Telkitty He's not a noob. He's a tool.
 
user1357851
was joking :p
 
@EtiennedeMartel The worst kind of noob is a snobby noob.
In fact, I will coin a new term for these snobby assholes:
 
Yeah. Entitlement is the real problem.
 
2:45 PM
Snobby Noobs: Snoobs.
2
 
SNOBHOLES.
 
Fucking Snoobs.
 
@Abyx but learning how to do that requires asking questions
 
+1 jalf and me are on the same page. <3
 
" Could NOT find Qt4 (missing: QT_QMAKE_EXECUTABLE QT_MOC_EXECUTABLE
QT_RCC_EXECUTABLE QT_UIC_EXECUTABLE QT_INCLUDE_DIR QT_LIBRARY_DIR
QT_QTCORE_LIBRARY)"
 
2:45 PM
@thecoshman how to do what?
 
There, better.
 
@Abyx exactly
 
@JohnMerlino is that a joke?
 
meh
 
@jalf no
Trying to get a project that uses cmakelist open in qtcreator
 
2:47 PM
@JohnMerlino Try asking on reddit.com/r/aww
 
Ok, explain to me then, why do you feel that this chat room needs to see that error message? What gave you the idea that this chat room is the correct place to ask QT/CMake questions?
 
Since now we know that this is not true, could you remove this answer? — Lohoris 2 hours ago
 
according to wikipedia that is a social news site
 
Did C++11 change while I wasn't looking or what?
 
not clicking that link
 
2:48 PM
@JohnMerlino And when you've done that, please scroll up a bit so we don't have to repeat all the shouting and swearing we did 10 minutes ago when someone else dumped their code here and expected us to answer their questions
 
@JohnMerlino This is where Qt experts hang out
 
@JohnMerlino good. We're not looking at your code either.
perhaps you have heard of a Q&A website called stackoverflow? It is quite popular
 
@CatPlusPlus He was asking for string conversion, and you told him "string formatting isn't in C++11".
So, you are right, and he's an idiot for not asking properly.
 
and it specializes in answering programming questions. Have you perhaps considered the outlandish idea that "if I ask my programming question on stackoverflow, someone might answer it"?
"whereas if I ask it on a fucking random chat room which has nothing to do with Qt, nothing to do with CMake, and nothing to do with answering questions, then I am most likely just wasting everyone's time"
 
2:50 PM
yesterday, by Etienne de Martel
In sense, it's like you have to earn your "right to ask" here by becoming part of this little community. If you don't have time for that, or don't care for that, then go on SO instead.
@JohnMerlino ^ read that
 
One more qdump and @jalf explodes
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I just noticed I forgot a "a" in there.
Uh.
 
Also nobody noticed my pun so I reiterate: Qt experts hang out on reddit.com/r/aww
 
Xeo
A pun on the pronounciation of "Qt"? lame.
 
@EtiennedeMartel 'an "a"'
 
2:52 PM
@thecoshman See?
That's even worse.
I'm so good at English.
 
@kbok only idiots pronounce it in a way that would make it work
 
Xeo
@thecoshman "cute" is the official pronounciation, AFAIR
 
@EtiennedeMartel wait... your Canadian, you like 'a', ay?
@Xeo that may be so, but those two facts are not mutually exclusive
 
@thecoshman A art
 
@kbok what really puzzles me is that most people don't even know SO has a chat component, do they?
 
2:55 PM
@thecoshman English is not my first language, so I mess it up from time to time.
 
hm... maybe we should make an English1x instead of C++1y
 
and yet, people are drawn here lured by some promise that All Your Questions Shall Be Answered"
 
@CatPlusPlus You are an hero, that shows powerful blows with extreme strikey sensation.
 
@CatPlusPlus ... you can't have 'a art' nor 'an art', though you can have 'an art piece'. Art is not a singular noun
 
@jalf We are victims of our own success.
 
2:57 PM
@EtiennedeMartel ooooh, you're one of those people
 
One art please
 
@ThePhD 'a here'
 
17 secs ago, by thecoshman
@ThePhD 'a here'
 
Quoting for posterity
 
2:57 PM
<3
 
@jalf Yeah, but seeing the volume SO gets and the fact that this is the most active room, no wonders.
 
@CatPlusPlus you can have one collective, 'one flock please'
 
@BartekBanachewicz Pro tip: committing with something like "Fix #1" will automatically close the issue and link to the commit from the issue page.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's only a proposal, so merge commit would have that. I am aware of that notation, thanks anyway
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's nice.
 
user1357851
3:06 PM
This sounds awesome: we had a flock of newbs coming into this room today
 
user1357851
<- old newb
 
I wanna watch that.
 
@ScottW That was 'shopped.
The poster that's on Wikipedia doesn't have that cat.
 
Oh. I've read the Survival Guide and never noticed the author is the son of Mel Brooks.
 
user1357851
@EtiennedeMartel It's here:
 
user1357851
3:20 PM
 
 
In other news, Travis now runs our tests <3
 
^ automatic C++ -> C++11 transformator
 
user142019
3:53 PM
@kbok looks like a swarm of bees.
 
user142019
But with mouse pointers.
 
it was better a few hours ago with a lot less pointers
 
Yeah
Now with so many pointers
it's a mess
 
user142019
Indeed.
 
user142019
References would've been much better.
 
> fuck your unchainable public methods.
what?
is this fucking js?
 
I like 59 and 64.
 

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