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5:00 PM
@CCInc Wow, you're in a lot of chat rooms.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yup. And this is a mild day.
 
@CCInc There's some drizzle here.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Probably. I'm pretty sure if I'd saved somebody, I'd at least know who it was.
 
@JerryCoffin You'd think!
@JerryCoffin So, did you accept my response? I wouldn't want anyone thinking that I'm a bigot (except on Stack Overflow posts) as I go out of my way to be open-minded on both sides of pretty much everything.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-Wno-mismatched-tags" [-Werror]
 
5:01 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yup -- no problem.
 
@JerryCoffin Great
 
That reminds me of a qoute.
 
I do find bigotry far more satisfying when one reserves it for programming fights, and trolling
 
"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."
 
5:04 PM
That reminds me.
What ever happened to Steve Jobs?
 
@Pawnguy7 He died.
 
she*
 
Like... I feel like their first name was Amber. I don't know.
 
Amber Roxanna was her name
 
@Borgleader I suppose I probably should add, however, that after years of gout and a couple of knee operations, the chances of my soon being rather bent over and needing a cane are probably substantially higher than for most people.
 
5:06 PM
Rings a bell.
 
@Pawnguy7 what
 
A person was here, changed their name to Steve Jobs, and... I don't know where they went.
 
She left
 
Was that not Cicada? The fake girl who looked like an insect then fucked off?
 
5:07 PM
I still think Steve Jobs == Amber == Cicada
 
Might be.
 
the name Nolwenn had me convinced for a time
 
Steve Jobs == Amber, yes. But I'm not sure about the == Cicada part.
 
wat? Amber might not be amber?
 
apparently he was caught out by mumbling something. I still don't get that part
 
5:07 PM
@cicada are you amber
 
Mmh, toying with my optional<T> a bit, I don't understand why the optional proposal mentions constexpr and the possibility of making std::optional<T> a literal type. It doesn't seem worth it -- e.g. the default constructor has to perform some initialization of the storage. Even when not used in a constant expression.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes the first part I'm more sure of, but the timing was pretty good/suspicious that I'd almost bet on it being Cicada.
 
so where'd he get the pics? I couldn't find them online anywhere else
 
From instagram somewhere?
 
I'll do some searching for it
 
5:09 PM
you stalker.... :P
 
No I'm just wondering
 
I have already 1k1 lines of optional, I'm not going to throw one more partial specialization at it.
 
arugh
I can't find how to search for similar instagram images
 
I wouldn't try if I were you
 
oh?
 
5:13 PM
I'm pretty sure those fancy filters will throw off the results
 
@CCInc You're trying to find images on Instagram similar to that photo of Amber? Well, er, I'm sure they have a list of all images on Instagram ever somewhere.
 
Exactly the issue.
If they were cached somewhere, then google would find them.
But nooooooooo, they aren't ANYWHERE on the web
how old is cicada?
36
 
@CCInc +inf
 
signalling_NaN
 
user142019
 
5:23 PM
Nederland, huh
you know, that merkin guy was kinda right, we have too many languages.
 
and I'm sooomewhat back.
 
Xeo
Define "somewhat"
 
well, I have Windows, Chrome, and Steam, and that's about it.
 
user142019
 
@Xeo Do you have a comment on that? I understand if you don't care, it's kinda boring, but I'm still perplexed why they threw it in the proposal.
 
5:26 PM
@Abyx well, no, most of "we" only have one
@DeadMG What happened?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fuckers.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton As long as we don't get literal types as non-type arguments, I don't think I care much about literal types in any case :)
Unless I'm forgetting some important property about them right now
 
Yeah.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think that my primary hard drive is failing.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit WG21 meeting happened
 
5:27 PM
so this is me reinstalling on my other hard drive
 
Xeo
Oh, you're not gone yet?
 
@Xeo That's next week.
I leave tomorrow afternoon
 
Xeo
Ah, ok
 
@Xeo Well it does mean they'd be usable in constant expressions.
 
Xeo
Derp, right. Like str_const
Hm
optional might be nice to have as a constexpr variable, but I'm not sure.
 
Xeo
And I need to get going shopping, so sorry and later o/
 
The issue I have is a) it makes default construction cost more than it has to b) if you don't allow a then it can only be used initialized -- then why have an optional at all?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Why would a) be the case?
 
@Xeo Can't leave things unitialized in constant expressions. No constexpr int i;.
 
if optional uses reinterpret_cast or a union it can't use constexpr
only for default ctor maybe
 
5:33 PM
@DeadMG ouch
@Xeo I thought it started on Monday
> Martin is idisent he Never Kills No one
^ "idisent"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Cost me £115 to replace
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It does.
 
@DeadMG I think mine is on its way out too - slow as anything and I've started getting some BSODs. fortunately... SSD arrives this week :D
 
Xeo
@LucDanton So you'd need to zero-initialize the storage?
 
still not entirely sure how I'm going to move my installation though
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Mine started randomly waiting literally minutes to provide data.
the MTBF was about 30 seconds.
needless to say, that made performing virtually every operation excessively annoying
 
5:35 PM
Yup that's a wear get everything out of it and scrap it
 
yup, I figured so
 
@Xeo Or you can put deceased bovines in it :p
 
user142019
user image
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user142019
1:1 WIN
 
haha
I wonder whether the number of downvotes equals the number of people who said to themselves, "fuck me, this the question I am the least likely to favourite EVER"
 
5:46 PM
I never consider favouriting questions
it's an irrelevant feature
 
Not really
Though I have too many favourited to really use the feature to its maximum potential (438, somehow)
 
I disagree.
 
@Rapptz With whom?
 
DeadMG
 
It's a silly feature that poorly reinvents browser bookmarks
 
5:48 PM
@Rapptz Okay. Then you are right :)
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah because we all want a bunch of bookmarks about SO.
 
@Rapptz make a folder
 
Well why are you favouriting questions
 
user142019
Put them in a Stack Overflow folder.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah because I want to sync my browser favourites to every device I ever use, just to get a saved list of the questions that I find most interesting within the SO system
 
5:49 PM
I have folders for other things and it gets messy quick.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit do you have to sync manually? where's the supposed effort in this?
 
@melak47 Is that a funny joke?
 
And unsearchable 30 pages of SO favourites is not messy at all
:thumbsup:
 
@melak47 So I'm quickly using someone else's PC. I log in to Stack Overflow. What was that question again? One second whilst I set up browser syncing on your PC please
@CatPlusPlus No disputing it could use a better interface. But I do think the solution is to improve it, not to remove it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit run your browser from the cloud, problem solved!
 
5:51 PM
@melak47 oh!
yes, the cloud
 
Buy your own PC
 
call me a possessive hoarder but I like to keep my stuff close by, rather than out in some magical wonderland held by a shadowy corporation for profit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was kidding about the cloud :/
 
@melak47 I'm aware
 
so get a laptop, then you have everything close by :)
 
Ell
5:55 PM
Ahh ruby, why isn't require working? :3
 
or a ~tablet~
 
@melak47 I have several of both
Still doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for SO to have favourites
 
user142019
@Ell Ahh Ruby, y u no modules? :3
 
user142019
Fuck require.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg I'm doing require_relative for a file in the same directory and the spelling is correct. Any other ideas?
 
user142019
5:57 PM
Define "isn't working".
 
he never said "isn't working"
 
Ell
cannot load such file :(
 
@Ell is it an .avi? are the permissions correct?
(two mutually unrelated diagnostic questions)
 
user142019
Make it readable and put it in the correct location. Make its name end in .rb.
 
Does anyone know a more efficient way to solve this than the brute force method? projecteuler.net/problem=12
 
user142019
6:01 PM
0
Q: C++ IDE for Windows with Embedded Terminal

Earl ChuaI learned C through gedit in a Linux computer. Now I want to learn C++ but I don't know what IDE to use. I need one that has an embedded terminal or has a plugin for it. I've been searching for hours, but no luck.

 
user142019
Close as NC.
 
@CatPlusPlus mm 30 pages of favourites?
 
Ell
File.exists?("MultiLogOutput") && File.readable?("MultiLogOutput") returns true :(
 
Gross. Eclipse.
 
@Insilico keepass
 
6:03 PM
@Zoidberg can't you just use vim+gcc?
 
user142019
Yes, GCC is really a terminal.
 
I use KeePass too.
 
Ell
yet require_relative MultiLogOutput throws load_error
 
I still find Eclipse to be viable
 
@Ell You put question marks?!
 
Ell
6:04 PM
@Rapptz it's the standard library
but it's Ruby
 
oh it's ruby
 
user142019
Eclipse is terrible.
 
Why does everyone dislike eclipse? Are we talking about for C++? For java it's pretty okay.
 
user142019
@Ell require_relative and require want .rb files. (As I said.)
 
@Zoidberg Meh
 
user142019
6:05 PM
If you don't want .rb files, use load.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg dern. okay ta
@Zoidberg gah I'm sure you must have edited that in
 
user142019
for i in 1..10
   # ...
end
 
user142019
Ewwwww fuck you, documentation. Y u no (1..10).each do |i| … end.
 
because documentation doesn't only cater to your taste
 
I was thinking...
Are there any practical reasons to prefer:
someObject.Something()
vs
SomeObject.somethingElse()?
 
user142019
6:18 PM
Oh, nice. Ruby 2 has lazy sequences.
 
Someone made an RPG in Excel?
 
In my first Gtkmm 3.0 program, I’m having trouble with the program structure and getting access to my class data from a DrawingArea class.

Based on a demo program from the gnome website (“Drawing thin lines”), I have a window class, a drawingArea class and a Board class with user data.

A drawingArea object is defined as a member variable in the windows class. In the window class constructor, I instantiate a Board object.

Now I want to access Board member variables in the on_draw routine in the drawingArea class. I can’t figure out how to do this.
 
user142019
 
do you have any tips at all? any are appreciated
 
user142019
6:23 PM
We just gave you a tip. Twice.
 
user142019
> You get far less guarantee about your question being answered on the chat than on SO main.
 
@Alex_B This is the most active room on SO. As a result, we got lots of people who rush in here to ask for help thinking they'll get their answer more quickly than on SO. After a while, many regulars got quite jaded, and now the usual reaction is "we won't help you".
20
In sense, it's like you have to earn your "right to ask" here by becoming part of this little community. If you don't have time for that, or don't care for that, then go on SO instead.
24
 
wiki stuff ^
 
6:43 PM
Etienne The Man Tells it like it is :) (bad pun, I'm sorry)
 
user142019
Where can I find a good tutorial on SSE intrinsics?
 
Mysticial's brain
 
user142019
@Mysticial Gimme your brain.
 
+1 Etienne the boss
 
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
 
user142019
6:46 PM
Blame @Borgleader.
 
@Zoidberg It would be best to pork through Intel documentation, it's very well written. It's fat, but good.
 
I changed my code from using radians to degrees to rotate...
Nothing changed.
Very confused.
 
Also, some people SO tend to be quite severely involved with SSE/AVX. @Mysticial comes to mind. I usually constrict SSE/AVX to linear algebra / math libraries and toy software rasterizers.
 
wtf... doxygen is parsing my cpp file but my index page is still empty
 
Lol.
Doxygen.
 
6:51 PM
holy shit this song is catchy
 
@ThePhD You got a better alternative?
 
@Borgleader Hand-written. <3
Or, none at all. :P
 
@Borgleader I guess it doesn't think too highly of your code? :3
 
Well there isn't much code yet... I'm setting things up
 
Man
Getting out skeletal animations from FBX is haarrrdd.
q_q
 
6:57 PM
FBX.gimmehtehbonezz()
 
on stackoverflow, is there a tag for something like the method of programming moreso than the language?
 
@melak47 I WISH that's how it worked. =[
 
write your own file format :3
who needs fbx :3
 
My artists need FBX. =[
 
7:04 PM
@Crowz No, Omnos is catchy.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit can't understand a word they're saying, yet it gets stuck in my head
 
user142019
@DomagojPandža Dankeschön.
 
0
Q: Can I (a) not write through an input iterator, or (b) only read through one once

Jason ZhaiWhich part of the following statement is incorrect? An input iterator can only read from the current position once and must then be incremented. The current position cannot be written to.

lol, FTFY
 
7:26 PM
This question comes down to two easily researchable assertions about input iterators. Why did you not simply look up the behaviour of input iterators? I have answered as a "welcome to SO" present but, please, I shall not do that again — you should perform basic research before asking. — Lightness Races in Orbit 13 mins ago
lol
To be fair I'm guilty of the "I have answered as a 'welcome to SO' present" thing.
 
@Insilico did you like it
@Insilico yeah I'm generally against it but sometimes I do it for the fame and glory. as long as it's a new user and you make clear what's going on I think you can sort of get away with it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They're such boring questions to answer on Stack Overflow though.
 
user142019
oxygen.c:14:10: error: implicit declaration of function '_mm_hadd_ps' is invalid in C99 [-Werror,-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
    rv = _mm_hadd_ps(rv, rv);
         ^
 
lol
 
user142019
:(
 
7:29 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit classy thing to do imo
 
Now let's hope it plays remotely nice with Qt strings. Do they have an iterator interface?
 
ugh. my girlfriend's at a party for 150 people which was thrown by her friend's parents to celebrate a wedding anniversary. how pretentious is that?!
 
Extremely
 
@JohanLarsson well, it is actually a bad thing for the site as it spreads help vampirism. so it's not as noble and kind as it looks to the untrained eye!
 
@sehe My experience tells me that Qt classes generally work together fairly well, but you're almost screwed if you want to use anything else (Boost, standard library, etc.)
 
7:32 PM
@sehe I mean just buy each other some flowers or something
 
user142019
lol segmentation fault.
 
a 150-person lunch!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but you said it is a one time thing and suggested how he should improve
 
@JohanLarsson yep
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What year is this particular anniversary?
 
7:32 PM
@JohanLarsson the only saving grace of my actions really
@Insilico I don't know. As far as I'm aware it's not like any super-special one even
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah that's what I was wondering.
 
but, even if it's a 25th or 30th, i mean.. seriously?
 
No one even looking at my awesome JSON work? O.o
 
I would be slightly impressed if it was like a 3.14159265th anniversary.
 
user142019
Oh I had _mm_store_ps instead of _mm_store_ss. :v
 
7:34 PM
Ah. I was to quick. Someone actually read it all :O
 
Batman! To the batmobile! To... quick!
@Insilico ooh there's an idea
@Zoidberg yeah those variables don't look error-prone
btw, go go power rangers
 
user142019
It's fine to allocate __m128s on the heap, right?
 
@Zoidberg Yes. It just has to be 16-byte aligned, I think.
 
@Insilico correct
 
IIRC the Windows allocation functions give you at least 16-byte alignment already, but I'm not 100% sure if it's documented anywhere.
 
user142019
7:38 PM
Good thing C11 supports _Alignas then. :P
 
user142019
Thanks!
 
@Zoidberg I think _Alignas does not work for heap memory.
 
user142019
@Insilico I have to put it in a struct and it's not the first member.
 
user142019
@Insilico Meh.
 
@Zoidberg Ah, I see. Then I think _Alignas will help then.
 
7:41 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ... shit. "to late" :)
 
@Mysticial what's correct then?
 
@bamboon The allocation of __m128s on the heap.
 
@Mysticial so to be clear, they don't have to be 16 byte aligned?
 
@bamboon They do.
At least the compiler usually assumes it is.
So if it isn't... boom
 
7:50 PM
@EtiennedeMartel still might be some correlation
 
@Mysticial omg, forget what I said in the last 5 minutes. I read your "correct" as "incorrect". That confused me.
 
ah
 
If I have a menu...
Where should I stick in "scores"?
I am debating above or below instructions :\
 
user142019
Shuffle the array of options at runtime.
 
user142019
Problem solved.
 
7:55 PM
Hm. I will try that.
 
Scores are for weenies.
 
Hm?
 
@Rapptz I wasn't aware sausages could play games.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You can however play games with your sausage
 
They can.
 
7:57 PM
@Borgleader That's not gonna give you a high APM.
 
@Pawnguy7 before "quit"
 
@Mysticial To take up the discussion, there is still no standard way to get 16 byte aligned storage for arrays in C11/C++11, right?
 
@Abyx directly or in general? In my opinion, quit on the bottom and play on the top are pretty concrete.
 
@bamboon I believe so.
So you either have to use the aligned malloc that comes with the SSE intrinsics.
or
build your own malloc wrapper that does the alignment.
 
@Pawnguy7 above "quit".
 
7:59 PM
Anyone had a build environment holding a pitchfork? I thought that they were only supposed to use spatulas..... xkcd.com/371
 
yep
 

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