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12:00 AM
@Pawnguy7 Yeah you could. And you would receive the same scorn as the guy is getting right now.
TBF it's hard to come by a compelling example of classic OO inheritance
 
> 20 - Sentinel Controlled Program
 
Why do we have getters/setters?
 
Because people don't know what encapsulation means
 
@Pawnguy7 They were originally designed for use to be found via automated reflection.
 
@Griwes Should be feed(random_select(animals), random_select(foods))
 
Xeo
12:01 AM
hmm, Fable 3 on sale
 
@Xeo It's pretty fun
 
@sehe heh
 
IOW, if you had a get() set() pair, then whatever framework it was would automatically turn that into something.
a script language binding, I think?
 
10 minutes to explain how to use -1 to terminate an input loop :sigh:
 
OH NOES THE S WORD
 
12:03 AM
pretty fuckin' sure that by the time you're run-time reflecting your objects to automatically generate bindings to another language, that language is being used as a script language.
 
Video 18 is "while", video 22 is "for", video 24 is... "do while"!
 
Why are they currently used?
 
@CatPlusPlus That's actually tough! for (unsigned i = 10; i>0; --i) { } // whoops :)
 
@sehe Yeah but that's not mentioned
 
@Pawnguy7 Because people are moronic.
 
12:04 AM
I don't think there was an explanation of types yet
 
@CatPlusPlus Makes sense. I guess that 19 is continue, 20 is goto, 21 is throw, 23 is break and 25 is catch
 
25 is switch
 
Who was it here that didn't like my using of no braces where applicable?
 
Let's skip to arrays
 
Xeo
@DeadMG eh, size and resize are also getter and setter, for example
 
12:05 AM
@CatPlusPlus That irked me all the way back with return 0; He never discussed legal exit codes values (he gave some random examples though)
 
@CatPlusPlus So 26 is catch and 27 is case?
 
@CatPlusPlus and 17 is Duffy's Device :)
 
@Xeo Not really. Resizing involves a lot more than just setting a member variable.
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh noes. That's asking for torrruble
 
@Pawnguy7 Zoidberg I think
 
12:06 AM
I guess arrays are not variables
Because he says "like variable, you type a name"
 
@Pawnguy7 Because they are incapable of reading quasiClass.pdf.
 
@Pawnguy7 Nobody likes your code. Period Semicolon.
 
@Pawnguy7 Most people
 
Xeo
@DeadMG still a setter and getter by the real definition, and not the mocking one that relates to quasi-classes, IMO
 
It was the day I asked this.
 
12:07 AM
@DeadMG Yeah they're true getters and setters.
 
He uses init list and an explicit size, but at least no new yet
 
@Xeo Probably true. I'm not against complex getters and setters where complex behaviour for at least one of them has been proven to be necessary.
and stuff like size() resize() isn't a problem.
 
But templates are way after "passing arrays to functions"
 
it's the quasi-class get/set every fucking member variable that's a problem.
 
So womp womp womp
 
Xeo
12:08 AM
@DeadMG I know
 
Aahahahaha
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I just wanted to highlight that not every getter/setter is wrong/bad
 
"We have to be professional here, so I guess we'll call them ARRAY ELEMENTS"
 
fair enough, I'll take that point.
 
3:00
Another magical moment
 
12:09 AM
@DeadMG Nah. Where they serve to encapsulate and preserve invariants.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol cout << bucky // compiler error
 
Yes, calling them "elements" and not "values" is what's important here
 
@CatPlusPlus Why are you even watching this.
 
Apparently it was Cat.
 
@sehe IME the one almost always implies the other.
 
12:10 AM
It's 1:10 am, and tomorrow's Monday.
 
@Griwes Er, it's Tuesday today.
it was Monday yesterday.
 
Not on our university
 
@DeadMG Not at WUoT.
 
Now, @CatPlusPlus, it is true that you close conditional blocks with braces, even if there is only one statement, correct?
 
wot
 
12:11 AM
@Pawnguy7 Yes
 
what.
how can you not be on the same day of the week?
 
Why is that?
 
We have one of those magical days, when, for example, a Tuesday is a Monday.
 
> "And welcome to your thirty second tutorial" No. it goes for 8:41 minutes
 
I thought only Thailand or something used a non-Gregorian calendar.
much like how basically everyone uses the 24-hour clock.
 
Xeo
12:11 AM
You know what many / most C++ tutorials are missing, except common sense? An explanation of how the C declarator syntax works, and the idea behind "declaration reflects use"
 
3 minutes to explain that indices start with 0 and not 1
 
@Pawnguy7 To confuse you
 
@DeadMG, nah, it's just our university.
 
Xeo
the array indexing from that vid reminded me of that
 
OOooh, next tutorial is a different way to create an array, AND IT IS COOLER WAY
 
12:12 AM
@CatPlusPlus That's pretty bad
@CatPlusPlus inb4 new!
 
@DeadMG portal.pwr.wroc.pl/139375.dhtml (I hope you can figure it out :D)
 
"An easier and quicker way to create an array. LOOPS!"
 
lol
At least there's no new yet.
 
I'm disappointed, still statically-sized arrays
 
We even have a Monday on Thursday in January, yay!
 
12:13 AM
@CatPlusPlus wtf. That's impossibru
 
Of course the reason behind using a loop is completely wrong
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I guess expecting vector was too much
 
@Xeo Way too much.
 
Ahahahahah he's reading numbers he's typing
 
@Xeo I too was expecting that
 
12:14 AM
But couldn't be bothered to read the last one
 
Xeo
@DeadMG "monday" as in "first not-free day of the week"
 
Really, using arrays in calculations needs a whole new video, when you already used indexing last video?
 
@CatPlusPlus "Pretty cool, huh?"
 
@Xeo No, "Monday" as in "we have classes like on Mondays, except it isn't a Monday".
 
Ha, passing arrays: explicit size argument
No, this is not what people typically do
 
Ell
12:16 AM
Both of yous go to the same uni?
 
Please use sizeof
 
@Ell Yes.
 
No, let's just repeat the size, it's way better
 
Ell
Ah cool
 
And now he's explaining function declarations
As a throwaway in a video about passing arrays to functions
 
Ell
12:17 AM
I wonder if nick changes apply retroactively in the message transcript
 
Though maybe he explained it earlier, too, someone watch the functions video
 
Xeo
@Griwes so, how awkward / shy is Cat in real life? :P
@Ell nope
 
> 38 - Introduction to Pointers
Nooow we're talking
(No templates yet, no references yet)
 
Ell
I'd hate for someone to read my entire chat transcript that I know in person. Its inevitable though
Why did I make myself so easily identifiable? XD
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus please tell me you forgot to copy/paste the leading 1?
no?
 
12:19 AM
No
 
@Ell Easy way to find out. Look for messages by not-sehe or not-rightfold
 
On the internet, I'm quite gay
It's quite unfortunate that I decided to use my real name
 
"Hello, can't type endl today"
THEN WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS UNSCRIPTED
 
Xeo
@MohammadAliBaydoun On the internet, nobody knows you're Magtheridon
 
@CatPlusPlus He is writing a loop to fill that array:
    int bucky[5];

    for (int i=0; i<5; ++i)
    {
        if (i==4)
            bucky[3] = 43;
        if (i==0)
            bucky[1] = 75;
        if (i==2)
            bucky[2] = 2;
        if (i==3)
            bucky[0] = 66;
        if (i==1)
            bucky[4] = 99;
    }
 
12:21 AM
@Xeo ...haven't met yet :P
 
Please tell me that isn't real.
 
LOL
 
"Make sure you don't use * twice"
 
Ell
I think sehe is joking
 
Also bad indentation
 
Xeo
12:22 AM
@Griwes way to miss an opportunity big time
 
@Xeo I'm also Destromath and Azgalor! :D
 
@CatPlusPlus That belongs in the presentation
 
Talking about irrelevant memory addresses, but no explanation of indirection
 
@Ell Nah. Here's proof that this version results in the same array as the "uncool" bucky[]! coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/db92875673011249
 
Ahahah hovering over a number and "we can't assign it to int, because it's obviously not an integer"
Because it's HEXADECIMAL THING
 
12:24 AM
@CatPlusPlus I think it is already established that those tutorials are bad. Do we have to keep establishing that? :D
 
@CatPlusPlus derp
 
"So that's why you need to be able to use pointers"
To use pointers
Hello, can't spot a tautology in my damn video today
 
52 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
@sehe It's funny
 
Mostly because I don't watch it after recording, I just upload it
> 39 - Pass by Reference with Pointers
Not references, pointers
 
@CatPlusPlus wait what?
 
12:26 AM
D'oh.
This is getting worse with every quote you paste here.
 
"Whenever you pass the variable by reference, you pass its address"
Yes, address is what's important here
Ahaha "it seems kinda dangerous"
Of course the argument is "it's less stressing to your computer"
 
> Quoted from a peer " Java assumes your a idiot and is usually wrong, C++ assumes you know what your doing and is usually wrong"
 
Ahahaha "did I copy this or did I do something weird"
But he won't define functions before main, he needs to copy paste and fix the prototypes
 
imgur.com/gallery/v5LUyQV <- looked for bottom comment, was not disappointed.
> your
 
@CatPlusPlus That is important you know. You wouldn't want to become the subject of discussion the next time your computer is talking to its therapist about all the stress in its life!
 
12:29 AM
he did something weird.
For starters, he uploaded some 73 videos on C++
 
> a idiot
 
@Griwes note the quote
 
"This is basically equal to long hexadecimal address"
Because, as we know, addresses are naturally hexadecimal beasts
 
@sehe I did note it.
 
I can't tell if he really believes that hexadecimals are not numbers, or just oversimplifies that much
 
12:30 AM
@Griwes Oh. "Do we have to keep establishing that? :D" then?
@CatPlusPlus I'm having the creepy suspicion that right here, he's probably just... ignorant
 
Woo, 6 minutes about sizeof
"sizeof function"
It could be a drinking game
He just says it in so different voice
Drink every time he says SIZE. OF. FUNCTION.
 
sounds like you want to get drunk
 
Video 41 is pointer arithmetic
 
Is this caused by some decay to pointer or something?
 
I'll give him credit for not mentioning dynamic allocation at all
But he has 4 videos about std::string and none about containers so
 
12:37 AM
@CatPlusPlus How do you get the size of the array with sizeof again?
 
@Jefffrey Yes (by pointer decay).
 
@Jefffrey sizeof(A) / sizeof(A[0])
 
@CatPlusPlus Not within a function.
 
Please show me.
 
12:38 AM
Well, if you don't do it right
What you want to do actually do is pass the array by reference and not worry about this shit
template <size_t N>
void foo(T (&array)[N]);
Or something like that
 
@CatPlusPlus But how?
 
@Jefffrey "Yes" was a reply to "not within a function"
You can't use it after the decay, but you can use it before
(And that above assumes the function is one that does a decay, and not the one using a reference)
 
@Jefffrey Once you've passed it to a function, it's already decayed to a pointer, and you can't retrieve it. Making it a function template, pass the array by reference, and it remains an array so you can retrieve the size.
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A: C++ metaprograming detect size array

Jerry CoffinThat's at least a large part of the point of using this template in the first place -- it'll only work when it's passed an actual array. When you try to use it inside the function, the function parameter has already decayed from array to pointer. Since you can't invoke the template on a pointer, ...

 
@CatPlusPlus his 73rd vid reaches the epitome of
string s1 = "hi i am bucky and i lvoe baconanhdam";
s1.replace(14, 5, "samuel jacoson");
That's his final vid. Yay
 
@JerryCoffin I see.
 
12:42 AM
Jefffffffrey is overjoyed
 
lol
 
No it isn't. Not on Spotify :/
 
My favourite music for a period of time:
 
@User17 You listen to extremely blurry audio compression artefacts during the time of your period?
 
@sehe But why?
 
12:50 AM
@Xeo OHMAHGERD.
 
Xeo
I saw it
 
I'M STILL HARD
 
@sehe you don't like it?
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's his favourite game.
It was bound to happen.
 
I still want him to do "New Junk City" from Earthworm Jim.
 
12:53 AM
@User17 Didn't spot the music. I suppose that was a joke. And it was all about the kittens. I liked "immobilizing the baby"
 
I've never played any Zelda game
 
@CatPlusPlus They're all good, as long as you take into account when they were made.
I'm not saying they all hold up to this day.
 
But speaking of game videos, this game is just awesome:
 
@sehe it was the music accompany the kitty slide show
 
@EtiennedeMartel So, not good
 
12:54 AM
@ScottW Screw you man. Skyward Sword was good.
It was.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel I should play Oracle of Ages / Seasons again
 
@CatPlusPlus They were good when they were released. But video games are not a static medium. Things change and evolve, and what was once good might be bad now as we learn how things should be done.
 
Xeo
damn I loved those two
 
That's also why nostalgia is bullshit.
 
@ScottW I use it as an example of the perfect balance of cutscenes:gameplay.
 
12:55 AM
That said, Wind Waker is still the shit.
 
I'm pretty sure if that game had one more cutscene I would hate it.
 
Well people say Alone in the Dark was a good game, but I don't see it at all
 
And Majora's Mask, while flawed technically, is still an excellent example of interactive storytelling.
 
I was testing my app on the phone, but there was error retrieving current location. At first I thought it some error in the code, then I realised my phone was on flight mode.
 
> Damn, my gun just fires adobe after effects
LOL
 
Xeo
12:56 AM
I never played the original console titles - I started with Link's Awakening
 
I mean, Fallouts are old games, but they are still great
 
Etienne's rhetoric makes it seem like the games aren't good anymore.
 
@Rapptz Never said that. I'm just saying they aren't as good.
 
The only games that didn't age well are the N64 ones due to "muh graphix"
 
@Rapptz And crappy controls.
 
12:57 AM
If you say that the game was good, but stopped being good, then I'd say maybe it wasn't good in the first place?
 
I still like all the games.
 
@CatPlusPlus Ocarina of Time, for example, is a milestone in gaming. We should respect that.
 
@User17 That's not music, silly.
 
Trespasser is a milestone in gaming
 
@CatPlusPlus That Jurassic Park game?
 
12:58 AM
It's still shitty
 
@EtiennedeMartel Honestly not a problem if you're emulating.
 
@Rapptz You mean "I"M STILL HARD"?
 
Yeah I can still play Majora's Mask and OoT today and not complain
 
@ScottW But you gotta admit, it's a pretty silly title
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, I remember that one. It was so cool back then.
 
12:59 AM
@sehe It's the name of the key item in the game, it's an Ocarina that allows you to travel through time.
 

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