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11:00 PM
Winglets will help
You'll see
 
I am sure I read that in .22 nose cones actually help stability now
 
install FAR for better aerodynamics
 
winglets should have been as low down as possible
 
Okay no that doesn't help
 
did you use the gimballing engines or not?
 
11:01 PM
The what
 
LVT-30 doesn't gimball, LVT-45 do
 
I have 45 in second stage
Should I use it for first too?
 
I would say you want non-gimballing for thos boosters
save the gimballing for the central one
 
Ell
Yeah gimbals n stuff
 
FROM THE SIDE!
 
11:02 PM
That's what I'm doing dammit
 
Ell
What with them quaternions
 
watch the green balls
no your trying from the top!
collides with your landing legs
 
I think the winglets are inside
 
Xeo
now they point inwards
congrats
 
just take em out
 
11:03 PM
lol
if want more control at these early stages, you can use extra command pods ontop of the boosters
more SAS torque that way
 
torque on boosters...dangerous :D
 
Okay no that won't end well
 
works over the whole ship
weill help prevent the rolling
 
THAT'S SHIT
 
swap for the gimballing engines perhaps
 
11:07 PM
the legs are in the way
 
Oh
Right
 
remove th elegs, put em back on with triple or 6 way symmetry in the gaps
 
damn, I should head to bed
 
or put some spacing there. and pack moar power!
 
night all
 
11:07 PM
night :)
 
good luck derp chops
 
this is destined for great success!
 
It actually flies straight
 
@CatPlusPlus where are you trying to go anyway? just higher orbit?
 
I'll try Mun but probably not enough fuel anyway
Well okay
I won't
Critical equipment failure
The engine went away
 
11:11 PM
:/
 
Theeere it goes
 
Ell
Wtf. This girl is asking me why I chose another girl over her. How the hell are you supposed to answer thst
Without just listing a load of bad things about said girl
 
@Ell reminds me of "Am I fat?"
 
Maybe the decouplers are too low
 
@CatPlusPlus you could try making your center more stages, and make the boosters...less tall? less numerous?
the boosters probably tilted inwards and collided with the engine or something
if the boosters are centered on the decouplers, it should be fine
 
11:14 PM
Okay enough for today, I'll figure it out later
 
haha
 
I should get some work done
Video quality was ok?
 
yeah
 
@Ell Come up with some utterly weird characteristic that applies to the other girl, but not this one, and claim it's a fetish of yours.
 
Ell
Oh that is a good one
If only I had the balls!
 
11:20 PM
@Ell I can only come up with ideas, not tell her for you.
 
Ell
Give me a few ideas, I guess they could be generic and ill see if they apply!
 
groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/forum/#!topic/std-proposals/… - "To add the method append for all sequential containers that have method push_back"
 
Xeo
First kinda-sane proposal I've seen from him
 
Well, it must be non-member
 
Xeo
Definitly
Especially since it can be easily implemented as such
 
11:26 PM
yes, exactly
 
Xeo
And the implementation being that easy just shows that it should be non-member
 
Yes, and I am trying to show that to him below in comments.
 
Xeo
template<class SeqC, class It>
void append(SeqC& c, It f, It l){ c.insert(c.end(), f, l); }
That's it, really.
append(SeqC& c; initializer_list<T> il){ append(c, il.begin(), il.end()); }
The N-values one needs two overloads, though
 
Also, soon we would have Concepts - in C++14, so I think we should wait a bit with algorithmic proposals, because interfaces for algoirthms can be specified in terms of concepts.
 
Xeo
copy-construction and emplace-default-construction
concept_maps :<
 
11:29 PM
not concept_maps, concepts-lite
 
Xeo
I want concept_maps, though
Maybe I'll somehow add them on top of normal concepts.
 
Current proposal looks decent, and lightweight
But it doesn't have template body checking.
 
Xeo
I dunno why everybody seems to connect concept_maps with virtual functions and overhead, tbh
 
Current proposal is syntactical sugar to EnableIf
 
Xeo
^
 
11:32 PM
I like Concepts because you can use concept_map and axioms
 
@Rapptz yes, but it is pretty sweet sugar
 
It really doesn't gain me anything.
So I'm not interested.
 
It just gives a slightly better syntax.
 
enable_if never made good-looking code on my end :/
 
Xeo
@Rapptz 'cept concept_maps likely won't even be in C++17
 
11:32 PM
And uses Retarded_casing, at least last time I heard anything about the proposal it did.
 
I'm not sure why they went with Retard_case
 
@Xeo I never connected it with overhead.
 
Wait what.
 
Xeo
@EvgenyPanasyuk The concept guys seem to, though
With that archetype stuff
I dunno why
concept_maps are effectively template specializations
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun It was hard to write, it should be hard to read!
 
11:37 PM
 
Type "/<[^>]*[\^[^]]*>.*]/" in the chat - see what happens.
 
@Xeo by the way, I remember that Stepanov described concepts which allows both late and early binding:
just imagine some kind of "automatic type-erasure"
 
Xeo
wait, wha?
Oh, wait, I see
But that's not concepts anymore. :< Concepts are supposed to be compile-time!
 
Interface which is both: compile and runtime
 
Xeo
Although I guess an auto-generated run-time version of that might be nice to have at times
 
11:40 PM
yes
 
Xeo
But that should be strictly seperated
I don't know how exactly that would look, but using one should definitly not imply the other.
 
I agree. Probably some keyword at call side should be used for doing "runtime" version.
 
Xeo
Also, question becomes how the ownership of said type-erased archetypes works
Maybe just like boost::any with an interface
FWIW, I think archetype fits pretty well for that
 
yes - archetype can be "generated" from interface.
 
Ell
Wait. How is an archetype different to a Java style interface?
 
Xeo
11:44 PM
void foo(My_concept const& x); // compile-time
void foo(archetype My_concept const& x); // run-time
// ?
 
Ell
just that it doesn't have to explicitly be stated as true?
 
Xeo
External vs internal interface
 
@Xeo Probably it should be on call-side. Algorithm should work on both transparently.
 
Xeo
@EvgenyPanasyuk hm... no, I don't see that going well. The compile-time version is effectively a template.
And the run-time type-erased version could be used in virtual functions
 
template<typename Range> void foo(Range &x)
void foo(any_range &x)`
 
Xeo
11:47 PM
that's what people might do now
 
Xeo
cept overloading on that might be a bad idea
since basically everything except explicitly erased stuff goes to the template overload
oh wait, maybe that's a good thing - is that what you meant?
 
Maybe both can be merged to one?
 
Xeo
@EvgenyPanasyuk As I said before, one is a template, the other not - don't mix those up
I think they should be strictly seperated
 
I mean, concept map can be used as both compile time and runtime interface.
i.e. void foo(concept_name &x) - both compile time and runtime
 
Xeo
11:50 PM
sure, and the run-time interface may well be generated from the compile-time one. Also, a type-erased archetype can (read: should be able to) still well be passed to a compile-time-version function - I just think that that should not be conflated on the definition-side.
@EvgenyPanasyuk virtual void foo(Concept_name& x) // what now?
The archetype version is just fine with that - the template one not.
 
@Xeo looks like that is runtime-only
 
Xeo
And if your answer is "just make it archetype-only on virtual functions", that seems highly confusing and undesirable to me
@EvgenyPanasyuk Brittle base etc. Imagine struct D : B{ void foo(Concept_name& x); } - depending on the definition of B, you might get an unwanted transformation to runtime-only for foo.
different concerns, different forms, is my opinion on this
 
Basically, I am not talking about syntax now. My point is: concept maps and old-dynamic-interfaces has something in common, and it would be nice to unify them to some extent.
 
Xeo
@EvgenyPanasyuk And my point is the opposite - it would not be nice to do so at the definition-site.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum /<[^>]*[\^[^]]*>.*]/?
 
11:54 PM
@Rapptz Nice.
 
@Xeo I do not imply to do it definition-side only.
 
Damn dude that's weird.
 
Xeo
@EvgenyPanasyuk I don't want it at definition-site at all.
@Rapptz Is it the html-regex thing?
 
Yeah.
 
@Rapptz He comes.
 
11:55 PM
Is that our only feature for chat this year?
 
Ell
/<[^>]*[\^[^]]*>.*]/
 
Xeo
that's been in forever
 
TIL
 
Xeo
same with /coin (IIRC) on gaming.se-chat
 
/coin ?
 
11:59 PM
Good night my friends ;_;
 
Ell
Goodnight :-)
 

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