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12:00 AM
@MooingDuck They don't, by chance, have something else forcing a garbage collection cycle right then, do they?
 
@JerryCoffin not as far as I see
 
@MooingDuck Though as I recall from what you've said about the system as a whole, that's not even close to just an unqualified "no".
 
@JerryCoffin I just asked the author, his response was "yeah it's BS. it was added when we were going 1000 mph - intent for the object to finalize when leaving scope but there is no gaurantee when java will call finalize (GC) on the objects"
 
I'm not sure what my expectations should be of the code base at my new job
 
@TonyTheLion Expect the worst, hope for the best. Probably somewhere between.
 
12:03 AM
yea
 
@MooingDuck Well, at least he recognizes the problem. Small consolation, but better than nothing.
Hmm...I seem to be spouting safe platitudes at the moment, I'd better shut up or I'll turn into a marketroid or something.
 
yes, worst is when author of such code has no clue
 
ooh! It's almost go-home-to-fiance-time!
 
12:16 AM
@mfontanini I don't remember you.
 
I've joined this lounge a couple of days ago :D
 
Welcome :)
 
Never actually introduced myself :P
 
@mfontanini oh. k. HI!
 
so many people come in and out
I only tend to remember the regulars
cause I speak with them the most
 
12:17 AM
Thanks :D
 
so do you write C++ for a living then?
 
Nah, not yet. I'm still in my last year studing CS.
I do code a lot in C++, but not for a living yet.
 
ah ok
what country do you live in?
 
I hope I can work using C++.
Argentina. Where are you from?
 
Belgium
 
12:21 AM
Nice. Do you work using C++?
 
will be
I'm in between jobs
my previous job was C and C++
my next will C++
 
Great
Random question: do you ever reach a point in which you look back at some code you wrote a year ago and you don't say "dafuq was I thinking when I wrote this"?
 
I have that from code I wrote 2 hours ago.
 
lol
There's no need for me to worry then :P
 
@mfontanini oh yeah. All the time.
 
12:29 AM
I wonder how type casting is implemented under the hood?
I imagine it to be fairly complex, but I really have no idea
 
@TonyTheLion check for conversion operator, check for base class offset? (static_cast)
@TonyTheLion what kind of cast? const_cast and reinterpret_cast are easy enough :D
 
like static_cast
dynamic_cast seems fairly easy
but static_cast isn't always that obvious
 
 
haha
@sehe having a hard time going to bed then?
 
@TonyTheLion always
 
12:33 AM
yea, same here
 
Also, I'm good with using boost libraries. And Boost Spirit in particular. However, I can't seem to figure out where and how to report issues
Fuck that.
 
lol
what are you making?
 
Nothing, I'm filing a feature request from Aug 2011 on behalf of someone else:
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A: Parsing a structure in an associative manner with Boost Spirit and Fusion

seheYou need a lazy version of at_key. The patch for this sadly never made it into Spirit (yet): /*============================================================================= Copyright (c) 2005-2008 Hartmut Kaiser Copyright (c) 2005-2007 Joel de Guzman Copyright (c) 2011 Michael C...

 
ah I see
 
@TonyTheLion There. I think this should do the job: svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/7199
 
12:44 AM
should do it, I would say
 
1:02 AM
quiet night tonight... :P
 
1:43 AM
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@ITNinja ^ just for you then
 
@sehe LOL!
 
1:55 AM
so whats everyone up to? :)
 
i'm hungry
 
2:09 AM
Talk to ScottW
And don't post pictures :)
 
 
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3:38 AM
morning scrubs
 
4:03 AM
morning :)
 
4:51 AM
morming
 
5:18 AM
My apartment is facing east. So I have lot's of sunlight entering my room in the morning. I think this is beneficial for waking up.
 
gg
 
5:59 AM
Morning
 
yo yo
 
@DeadMG good game?
I still haven't fully grasped rvalue references.
When would you use T&& as a return type?
 
Yeah, just started to read that.
Beta_ab const& getAB() const& { return ab; } // *methods* can be const& now?
 
@StackedCrooked Never.
@StackedCrooked Yep. Means const lvalue only.
 
Const or non-const, lvalue only.
 
@DeadMG I see. And foo() &&; means rvalue reference only?
 
@StackedCrooked Rvalue only, non-const.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, my mistake.
also, hi robot, still morning sick?
 
6:20 AM
Seems I'm fine today.
 
good
 
Morning sickness? Are you pregnant or something?
2
 
today
I managed to awaken at4am
 
morning :)
 
6:21 AM
pretty close to nominal
and I decided on a solution to my SHA-2 problems.
 
Shooting them?
 
lol
I'mma have to log every value set to every state.
when I find a contradiction, I'll just have to track the mutation to every state that led to that contradiction.
 
6:53 AM
Can someone MSVC-test this for me? std::cout << 0x1p-52;
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Syntax error: bad suffix on number".
 
Ok, thanks.
I wonder why C++ didn't import hexadecimal floats from C99.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I seem to remember some discussion on Usenet, where somebody (Doug Gwyn?) was claiming that some of the requirements on hexadecimal floats were impossible to meet. Don't remember details though.
Well, it's getting too late for a man of my advanced years. Later all.
 
7:09 AM
Have fun.
 
7:20 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes On amazon.de, C# 5 in a nutshell actually has 30 pages less than C# 4 in a nutshell (1042 vs. 1072). That's funny. On amazon.com, it's 1064 vs 1060.
 
@sehe click
2
 
@RadekSlupik I do talk. I do leave my computer on at work with me left logged in by the way, so perhaps it is that which is confusing you?
@CatPlusPlus atheism: the belief that there is no god or god like entity. agnostic: the belief that there is something god like, but not really sure what
 
7:35 AM
@thecoshman seriously? We're still talking about that? :D
 
mind if i ask an off-topic question?
 
Not at all. But you might want to read this:
 
@jalf saw starred posts, scnr
 
Jul 26 at 21:11, by jalf
If you want reliable, high quality answers quickly, use SO. If you want to gamble and maybe get a useful answer, maybe get a good answer, and maybe waste your time, feel free to ask questions here :)
 
@techno I guess you just did :P
 
7:37 AM
Is it standard practice to give ftp info to SEO
 
well... probably not
but it depends what you mean buy 'give info to SEO'
 
They are asking me for 2-3 days
 
is this some person called 'SEO'
 
ftp = file transfer protocol?
 
SEO Expert
ftp login info
 
7:40 AM
What does he need FTP access for?
 
I've never used an SEO 'expert' but I certainly would not give him FTP details
maybe give him details for a read only account
 
for doing on site work like adding content
 
Is there anything confidential on the server that he must not see?
 
just some basic licesning routines
 
Could always clone the server, give him access to the clone, and then manually inspect the changes he made, and copy them over to the real server if you approve of them
 
7:41 AM
server checks
 
but it sounds like none of us have any actual experience with SEO "experts"
in my book, that's basically a nicer word for "scammer"
 
@jalf how can i do it?
 
@techno Don't you know how to manage your own server?
 
i don't know how to clone
yes
 
@techno clone = copy
 
7:43 AM
@techno is that 'yes I do know' or 'yes I don't know'?
 
copy the files from one place to another
 
they are just asking for 2-3 days
 
how 'live' is your web site?
if it was trashed, how bad would it be for you?
 
@techno So? You only need 10 minutes to delete files or read things you weren't supposed to read.
None of us can answer these questions because (1) we have no experience with SEO "experts", and (2) we have no clue about the contents of your ftp server and your website
 
you could just take a back up your self, let them do there work and if all looks good, keep it, or restor your back up
 
7:47 AM
ok
 
based on what little we have, I would advise you do not give out the details
@jalf by any chance, is the room topic anything to do with the cat? :P
 
anyone knows about a great software to build setup for a java application ? (installing dependencies if some are missing, ensuring that everything works, etc.)
 
In any case, I'd strongly recommend making sure you have a way to inspect the changes he makes
 
(to deploy on windows)
 
@Fred Why, yes.
 
7:49 AM
@thecoshman I would assume so. But don't know who set it, when or why. :)
 
I usually begin by uninstalling my operating system and taking a hammer to the inside of my case.
this is the procedure I recommend for you
 
i will remove the licensing script temporaly and then give the details
 
@Fred for windows specifically, I would advise you look up 'msi, also read over this
@techno I wouldn't advise this, but I'm not your mummy
 
Oh, Youtube:
> The point is none of us truly knows. Yes the whole purpose of Religion is to set order god is just a man made delusion. Can we go back to talking about fucking pussy now this is boring.
 
@DeadMG I will be selling a java application and basically need to ensure that it works without any debug or manual configuration
 
7:51 AM
@Fred OK. Since you seem to have missed my not very subtle point, let me rephrase.
 
Oh noes, my four character prefix is here again, and I get all the notifications!
 
this is the C++ chat, not the Java helpdesk.
 
@FredOverflow change your name then. FrexOverflow, perhaps?
 
I also take great pleasure in being immeasurably rude to people like you, much to the irritation of everyone else, so it would be in your best interests to find somewhere else.
 
@FredOverflow @fred get's you?
 
7:53 AM
Well, at least it's highlighted for me.
 
@FredOverflow sucks to be you :P
 
@DeadMG @thecoshman I clearly understand your point but the Java chat is dead right now, it's not like if I would like someone to do my job
 
@Fred You make it sound like I give a crap about the Java chat and whether or not it's dead.
 
@Fred ignorant puppies aside, this is not the best place, especially when you jsut question bomb us
 
@Fred have you tried this cool website called StackOverflow?
 
7:54 AM
you can't wish your CPU into becoming faster just because it's too slow, and you can't wish a C++ chat into being a Java helpdesk.
so toddle off
 
@DeadMG Sure you can, it's called "overclocking" ;)
 
@DeadMG well, to be fair, this is not a Java question per se
 
@thecoshman per se
 
@FredOverflow that's not 'wishing', that's doing
 
That's one thing I never understand. Why do people go "hmmmmmmmmmm, the first place I was going to ask my question is quiet this time of day. I KNOW, I'll ask in the C++ chat". I mean why? How do people arrive at the conclusion that "the C++ chat is probably where I'll be able to get answers"?
 
7:55 AM
@FredOverflow Heh. Depends on how much faster you need it to go :P
@jalf I know.
 
@FredOverflow thanks, some how that is the first time I have ever written that :P
 
it's wishful thinking of the most irritating order
 
@jalf they don't know us. How many people do it a second time
 
if only the Meta police would give us the power to ban people from the chatroom
 
@DeadMG You mean if only the Meta police gave us the power...
Am I banned now? :)
 
7:56 AM
@DeadMG eh, I have no interest in banning anyone
 
@FredOverflow Not sure what you mean. Both are perfectly correct.
 
may be we could try setting up a 'not a c++ question, but no one else is on' room
@jalf indeed
 
@jalf I adminned a CS:S server for a little while. In my experience, it was the only way to make sure people got the hint.
else they just came back later and caused another problem
 
@DeadMG Really? I thought I learned in school that if and will do not go together. Ah well, it's been too long.
 
guys, that was a freaking simple and straight question based on "yes I know this name" of "no I don't answer", no need to troll me as we are supposed to help each other, not blame everyone for everything
 
7:57 AM
@DeadMG So?
 
@DeadMG how does banning them prove they got the hint to not be a dick? it just stops your from seeing it
 
hope it's not giving this room a "brutal-looking" style preventing me for going back
 
@Fred We are not supposed to do anything in this chat room. We're here because we have nothing better to do.
We're slacking
Sometimes we answer questions, but don't expect us to do it
 
@Fred here's a simply question, why are we 'supposed' the give a damn?
 
I'm having breakfast in the lounge.
 
7:58 AM
@thecoshman The effective difference is minimal. The point is that they do not cause further problems :P
 
Jul 26 at 21:11, by jalf
If you want reliable, high quality answers quickly, use SO. If you want to gamble and maybe get a useful answer, maybe get a good answer, and maybe waste your time, feel free to ask questions here :)
 
anyways, it's never going to happen, and even if it did, if I ever actually banned people for asking such questions in here, I'd probably find my room ownership revoked rather pronto, so it's a completely academic discussion
 
Ah does anyone have experience with udacity courses? The software testing course looks interesting, but it does not say anything about deadlines or final exams.. are there any hard deadlines?
 
@Fred The thing is, there is already a very popular, very widely used, website for "freaking simple and straight questions". It is called stackoverflow. I just don't understand why someone would go "Hmm, I have a Java question, and the Java chat is dead. Should I ask it on StackOverflow, the place where literally thousands of Java developers are hanging around asking questions, or the C++ chat, where about a dozen people are slacking and doing nothing?"
 

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