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8:00 AM
@DeadMG still, a perm-a-ban is not really the smart, people can realise why they are being dicks. escalating temp bans how ever
 
@jalf It's one of those mysteries of the Universe that we'll probably never be able to solve.
 
@jalf Especially when that site has a giant "ASK QUESTION" button all can use. It's not like you have to pay a portion of your soul to ask a question.
 
@Fred You're not really selling it very well. So far, all you've done here is ask a Java question. Why should we care if you come back or not? You're welcome, like I said, even if I could, I don't want to ban anyone. But I won't cry myself to sleep if you decide not to come back
 
@jalf I thought my question were relaxing enough :)
 
first ban, one hour
second ban, one day
third ban, one week
forth ban, one month
firth ban, one year
sixth ban, one decade
seventh ban, one century
eight ban, we review our new world order, where the lounge rolls over all
 
8:01 AM
@Fred but you didn't ask it in order to bring relaxation into our lives. You asked it to get an answer.
And SO is a much better place for answers
 
alright then
 
@Fred asking a Java question is like cutting us all over our bodies and dropping us in a giant vat of pickled chillies
 
Unless the question is "Why does Java suck so much?" Answer: "Java"
 
@FredOverflow answer
 
I wasn't expecting some guys insulting me for using java lol, I enjoy C++ too, but the point is : every language has pros and cons so I enjoy all of them
 
8:04 AM
@Fred Eh. For all we know, you hate it like we do and your boss makes you use it.
 
Java is good for making easy money.
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@Fred Java has one good thing, packages, that is all, and even that is not that good
 
@thecoshman Which implies that we are a bunch of old people grown bitter about Java being more popular than C++?
 
but the point is that I really don't care
 
@thecoshman Also, Java doesn't need sequence points, which I find relieving.
 
8:05 AM
@StackedCrooked no, it's just painful to the extreme, and would rather not go for it
@DeadMG ¬_¬ this needs more meme
 
@StackedCrooked Justin Bieber is more popular than Johann Sebastian Bach, so what?
 
@thecoshman I don't think Java questions are painful. Why should they be?
 
C++ is great for runtime speed and for many points, unless the main goal is NOT runtime speed but production time
 
I think we must be realistic
 
8:06 AM
@FredOverflow Neither did C or C++. They only existed for a theoretical optimization for a CPU that was only hypothetical. No compiler ever succeeded in taking advantage of it, even on the few CPUs on which it was possible.
 
C++ is great if you like complicated tools.
 
I love C++, seriously
 
@Fred I don't think anyone insulted you. People just expressed a strong dislike for Java, and said that they don't understand why someone would enter this room just to ask questions that have nothing to do with C++. I didn't see anything personal
 
@FredOverflow I don't have a problem with Java being more popular than Java. I just thought that spouting hatred towards the language makes it seem that way.
 
@DeadMG Okay, but C++ still has them, while Java does not. And I would much rather like f(g(), h()) to be well-specified like in Java.
 
8:07 AM
@FredOverflow Very true. I'm merely saying that need is the wrong term here.
 
@DeadMG okay
 
@FredOverflow Technically it doesn't. Sequence points are out in C++11, aren't they?
 
uhh.. are they?
 
yadda yadda yadda :) They were replaced by "sequenced-before" relationship.
 
guess somebody needs to read about sequence points..
 
8:08 AM
@jalf Replaced with something even more difficult to understand, IIRC.
 
@Nils The behavior is much the same of course, but the words "sequence point" are no longer used, afaik
 
Rejoice, (++i)++ is finally well-defined :)
 
@DeadMG Oh, sure. Give Java's memory model a read then. That kind of thing is complex, fact of life.
 
What about (++i + a)++ ?
 
8:10 AM
@jalf True. But I have a lot more sympathy when you're talking about the needs of a multiple thread model.
 
@Nils You cannot increment rvalues.
 
@Nils rvalue violation.
 
ah :)
sure
 
@jalf Didn't C++ borrow a lot from Java's memory model? In that case, thank you Java!
 
@DeadMG So you mean that Java and C++11 are allowed to have complex memory models, but it was overkill in C++03? Just making sure I understand where you're going with this :)
also, I kind of think that makes sense. :)
 
8:11 AM
@jalf When you support concurrent execution, then the memory model is necessarily significantly more complex.
it's a tradeoff- more features, more complexity.
but C++03 didn't offer more features for it's more complexity.
 
Didn't Bjarne fiddle with concurrent systems back in 1979? Why did it take 32 years to include a memory model?
 
@StackedCrooked that's what I think, hating something that much leads to gathering more and more reason to hate it more
 
well, for one thing, regular consumer-grade systems have only been concurrent for a relatively short time.
previous concurrent systems would have been very specialised- kernels and whatnot.
 
> I don't have a problem with Java being more popular than Java.
@StackedCrooked Say what? :)
 
Early on, ad-hoc memory models were probably good enough. Especially before the language was standardized, the memory model was just "whatever works in the compiler you're using"
 
8:14 AM
concurrency in 1979 would have been a nice curiosity, but of little practical value.
and especially remember that CPU diversity back then was a lot higher than it is today
it would have been a lot more work to spec a memory model that's portable
these days you can port to almost any system anyone cares about by simply writing a spec that can work for PPC, ARM, and x86.
 
So is the current memory model especially suited to x86 or something?
 
plus, it was likely unclear what made a good memory model. How strong should it be? What should it semantics be? There were so many weeeeird CPU architectures and setups back then that settling on one single formal model was probably difficult
 
@FredOverflow Don't actually know.
 
@DeadMG Weren't that the Dijkstra days? He wrote a lot about concurrency.
 
oh, this is going to keep me chuckling all day
 
8:16 AM
@StackedCrooked That being kind of my point. It was mostly theoretical- not a real thing that real developers would have to work with.
 
I guess it's time for me to watch What is a memory model and why would i want one? again :)
 
it's only since 2005-2006 or whatever that regular consumer-grade CPUs have been concurrent
and only in the last couple years that ARM systems have been concurrent
 
the work social club did a trip to Galway races, there was a bus back at 2am, which one lad missed, so he got a taxi back home, for €150
 
@thecoshman owch
 
it's going to keep me going today :P
 
8:17 AM
How long was the drive?
 
it's about hour and a half I think
 
100 bucks per hour is quite a price. Was there a hooker in the cab?
 
@FredOverflow 100 euros, not 100 bucks.
 
oh not that bad
it's an hours drive, 80 to 90 km
 
@DeadMG Am I not allowed to say "bucks" instead of "euros"? Does "bucks" always mean "dollars"?
 
8:20 AM
as far as I am aware, it does.
 
@FredOverflow mostly it does
 
I stand corrected then.
 
still, it's a long way out of the way for a taxi to go
but considering you had clear context we where talking about € I wouldn't consider it a problem
 
I would
 
8:21 AM
say tr(bucks) then
 
I mean, bucks is always dollars, it's not contextual
 
@DeadMG nooo :P
though, I do still find my self saying things are x 'quid'
or pounds even :P
just can't get used to saying 'euro'
 
@FredOverflow This is your second mistake in two days, you're going down Freddy!
 
and I am still getting caught out with not understanding the true value of money :P
how long did it take you other euro users to get used to the new money?
 
Hello, friends.
I'm from India.
 
8:25 AM
why would you have a problem between quid and euro?
nowhere using the British pound is now using the euro
 
@DeadMG erm... I moved the RoI
@RadekSlupik oooh, fancy that
 
@thecoshman Oh.
 
@DeadMG greetings from the Emerald Isle
@RadekSlupik business of pleasure?
 
@thecoshman Eh.
 
@DeadMG please tell me, you are aware of the term for Ireland
 
8:28 AM
never heard it referred to that way before.
 
@DeadMG ¬_¬ really?
 
yep
also, I really wouldn't describe Ireland as an emerald
 
Euro biggest scam ever
 
more like a barely stable pit of despair and debt
 
¬_¬ you are aware of the 'green' thing that Irish culture, right?
 
8:29 AM
vaguely
 
@Cicada hardly, Greece?
@DeadMG (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
No. Euro was already bad even before greece joined
 
@thecoshman what?
 
That's why we don't have it :)
 
It's simple. The exchange rate Franc (previous french money) -> euro is 6F -> 1€
 
8:30 AM
@Cicada oh, you mean the Euro sucks, I thought you where saying Ireland caused it go balls up
 
So in theory, something worth 6F should be 1€. No. It's 6€
So euro effectively multiplied french prices by 6
 
@DeadMG You appear to have very little understanding of the out side world
 
@thecoshman Nah, it's very difficult to suggest that any specific incident caused the current crisis.
 
And ofc the salaries didn't follow
 
@thecoshman I have very little care.
I don't live in the outside world.
 
8:31 AM
@DeadMG you know, they have the internet on computers now days
 
hell, I spend most of my time thinking that my own little corner of it would be well served by spending a little less time jerking off about our not-actually-useful-at-all culture and history.
 
@Cicada was 6F -> €1
 
@thecoshman So? I still don't live there.
 
@thecoshman It's still around that
 
I couldn't do it, I just can't write it that way around
@Cicada except there is no 'F'
 
8:32 AM
?
I don't get you
 
What country uses the French Franc?
 
France only.
Used to.
 
@FredOverflow hehe the funny part is, it's not even my boss that forces me to use it, I am my boss, sometimes I use C++, sometimes I don't use it; especially when production time can lead to higher price and.. the client will ask you why you don't do things simpler
@FredOverflow clients that are willing to pay for "Number1 perfection" then, I enjoy it so much
 
exactly, there is no longer a valid currency called the French Franc, thus there can not be an exchange rate for it... other then buying the coins as collection pieces I guess
 
lol you're wrong on so many aspects it's not even funny
 
8:34 AM
@Cicada please do enlighten me
 
@Cicada Prices are relative to something, not absolute. So I am not sure weather you can just say there are 6 time higher..
 
@Cicada There's nothing unique about franc->euro here.
 
AFAIK and 'money' that was for Francs is not just lumps of metal and paper. The only value is that of a collection piece, no?
 
inflation and price rises are ubiquitous all over the world
 
@FredOverflow reality is, with 8gb of ram and a recent CPU, the difference isn't even noticeable so clients prefer to pay less to have the same effect
then, I prefer when they are happy with the cost / effect
 
8:37 AM
@Fred Yes for most web / enterprise software, expecially if the database is the bottleneck.
 
@Fred there are a lot of implicit assumptions there
long-running processes, for example, because Java is so absurdly slow at startup
It also assumes a developer who's better at Java than at C++. I'd likely be more productive in C++
 
and if I wanted high productivity, I wouldn't pick either of those two languages
 
what would you pick, something like Python?
 
also not the 'obsolete'
@DeadMG clearly you would spend time making a domain specific language that makes it very easy to do exactly what you want, thus meaning the development time for the actual product is very small. We can ignore the billions spent developing such an obscure language... because we can
 
8:40 AM
Heh France is not even on the list economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/07/big-mac-index
Guess Mc Donalds is not very popular in France.
 
personnally I used to dev just for fun and still do it that way, but then with real clients a question that comes is "ok, I can do it.. but is there a lib that does it already and has been tested for 15 years ?" if so.. in which language the implementation is the better / easier / more supported
 
> which language the implementation is the better
really?
 
it's like using jquery / prototype / threejs instead of pure js
 
@Fred You do know that libraries exist for other languages than Java, yes? ;)
 
@jalf absolutely :)
 
8:45 AM
@jalf holy fuck? and here's me writing my own trees every time I need one
 
but a lib developped especially for java, is more likely to be discussed more in java than in python
 
¬_¬ right 'holy'?
@Fred well of course it fucking is
a library in another language to the one you are using is not much fucking good
 
@Fred yes? I'm not sure what your point is
 
it serves but two purposes, tempting you to that language, and providing something for you to copy/port
 
To me, Java is the opposite of a productive language. It's what I use if I want to spend a week writing boilerplate code and boring myself to death. If I want to get things done fast, it's certainly not the language I'd pick. But that's just my opinion. Don't worry, I won't take Java away from you. You can use it as much as you like. :)
 
8:48 AM
what I don't understand is why do we have to use only one language
 
you don't
we just don't understand the use of Java
or PHP for that matter
 
@Fred You're the only one here talking about only one language. The rest of us are talking about using multiple different oens
 
ok
 
There are many languages I'd use. Java is just not one of them
 
so we already understood each other
there's some languages I just can't look at too
 
8:51 AM
:O
I just don't know
There is a bit of a Haskel fetish in here
I would really like to like Java, it would make my job bearable
 
for me it was VisualBasic that I couldn't stand
 
bfast time!
@sbi morning
 
I think that what most people hate so much about java are the ui that is always showing a fullscreen button
 
sbi
Gah! I'm back at work after three weeks of holiday. How delusional.
 
it's a mess to use it for standard UIs
 
8:58 AM
@Fred Eh, I hate that the language is so painfully anemic. I hate how it has cultivated an ecosystem in which everything has to be hidden behind 14 virtual function calls, class hierarchies must be deep enough to drown in them, and your code must be as verbose as humanly possible
The facts that it's ridiculously slow at times, uses ridiculous amounts of memory, and produces fugly and painful UIs are just smaller inconveniences
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked A pregnant robot? It seems he's serious about his plans for world domination.
This answer is purely rhetorical, it does not introduce any real evidence. The OP didn't ask for a history lesson. — Aaronaught 12 hours ago
What can one answer to such a prick?
 
@sbi "fuck off", perhaps?
 
sbi
@jalf I don't think this would cut it.
Maybe it's the prerogative of the young to sneer at history lessons.
 
@jalf I understand this pain... in college one of my teacher was expecting us to develop a basic battleship game and the group debugged the UI for a whole month before it was looking "correct", most of time ending with a big "PLAY" button that takes the whole screen
the thing was to not use absolute positions and constraints but rather use relative ones, then it's all fine with some layouts
 
@jalf Doesn't C++ suck for long-running processes because of heap fragmentation?
 
sbi
9:15 AM
@FredOverflow I am not going to judge whether this is true, but I can't help but have to point out that, even if it indeed is, C++ allows you to tune memory management in a way to prevent hat. When we ran into heap fragmentation problems in C#, all we could do about it is to recommend customers to buy more RAM. (And in order to make that wonder work we had to port to 64bit a bunch of very old C libs which are used by the C# parts.)
In C++, we'd written an allocator tailored to the application's special needs and be done.
 
@FredOverflow Does it? I know of a lot of long-running C++ processes. But it depends on a lot of factors, of course
 
heap fragmentation is really a solved problem for C++
 
At the end of the day, doesn't every language suffer from this at a fundamental level? As long as you release what you allocate, you ultimately have to rely on the OS to keep the heat in a usable state. Of course something like Java or C# can minimize it a bit by making a few larger allocations for the GC'ed heap, within which they're in full control, but any allocations outside that (the large object heap in .NET's case) still run into the same issues
 
newer allocator designs suffer much less from fragmentation, not to mention the possibility of zero-fragmentation allocators like memory arena/object pool
 
@DeadMG I seem to recall a couple of SO questions about very simple, and apparently well-behaved code which nevertheless fragmented the heap on Windows badly enough to eventually run out of memory
All it did was repeatedly allocate and then free a vector of a certain size, or something like that. Was really surprisingly simple
 
sbi
9:28 AM
@jalf Of course they all do. That's why I value a language that admits as much and allows me to plug into the thing and fiddle with it when I know better than a general-purpose allocator does.
 
@jalf With a 64bit application, you'd have to fragment one hell of a lot of memory to exhaust your virtual address space. And as far as I'm aware, it's not possible to fragment your physical address space under virtual memory schemes.
 
sbi
@DeadMG That's all nice and well, but in reality, either those new designs have yet to arrive at the front, or they still fail at certain tasks.
 
but if you have a special problem with such things, you can simply use a zero-fragmentation allocator
I'm not saying that the default allocator never has fragmentation issues under any circumstances
 
sbi
@DeadMG ...and see customers yawn while you show them your incredibly slow algorithms?
 
@sbi Last I checked, object pools and memory arenas are faster than the default allocators, not slower.
 
sbi
9:31 AM
@DeadMG Ah, so you're not talking of a general purpose zero-fragmentation allocator.
 
does such a thing even exist outside of a compacting GC?
but I do think that zero fragmentation is a special need, and I've got no problem with suggesting special-purpose allocators to handle it.
 
"warning: unmappable character for encoding UTF-8" followed by printing the "unmappable character" in question, which not surprisingly, rendered as �. Genius.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's funny how there are so many ways to encode a square
oh, OpenGL 4.3 is here
 
9:48 AM
@thecoshman It's a replacement character. It's not in source stream, it's commonly used when attempting to print invalid data.
The point is, trying to print whatever invalid byte it was is pointless, especially if you're doing it because you know the data is invalid.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was trying to make a funny
indeed, its like trying to tell people the word you can't say
 
@thecoshman Ah, dammit. I fail.
 
Dark Side of the Moon in a Reggae style
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you get the funny now? or was it too bad?
 
It's dead now.
 
huh, so that's what the 'upload' button does. First time I ever got tempted to click it
 
10:03 AM
Hallo !!
 
Halo only has one 'l'
 
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A: How to solve the error "expression must be a modifiable Ivalue" in c++?

R. Martinho FernandesAs was said, you can't assign arrays in C++. This is due to the compiler being a meanie, because the compiler can, it just won't let you do it... ... unless you trick it ;) template <typename T, int N> struct square_matrix { int data[N][N]; }; square_matrix<int, 10> a; square_m...

Mwahhahahaa.
Everyone is "there are 2 options", and they're missing the best one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nice
 
@thecoshman Can’t decide yet whether I like it or not …
 
Well, don't let us in the dark for too long.
 
10:10 AM
@KonradRudolph me neither :S
@StackedCrooked huh?
 
I mean, don't leave us waiting for too long.
 
@StackedCrooked what are you on about?
 
Ha! Your turn to fail at joke understanding.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes apparently so
am I going to be left stupid :(
 
Oooh, valid flags.
If you need to adjust your rep down to a nice number, here's your chance:
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A: For programing C#, is recommended that I know C and C++, or it just gets in the way?

jack21It's strongly recommended to know C if you want to know C++ good. With C# is not the same, in my opinion you could learn C# without knowing C++ but it's harder...

 
10:25 AM
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Q: C++ shared_singleton

screwnutI actually feel bad posting "yet another singleton"... I wrote the following one many years ago and had recently found another application for it. We had many threads, each running the same function that requires the use of a boost::asio::io_service instance. It was best that all threads shared t...

 
Isn't two-phase locking broken in C++ too?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I believe it's algorithmically broken.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How so? It’s just easy to get wrong and I’d avoid it, but it’s still better than coarse-grained locking here
 
At least that kind, I mean. Not the kind you linked to @ wikipedia (which uses RW locks).
Ah, here.
In software engineering, double-checked locking (also known as "double-checked locking optimization") is a software design pattern used to reduce the overhead of acquiring a lock by first testing the locking criterion (the "lock hint") without actually acquiring the lock. Only if the locking criterion check indicates that locking is required does the actual locking logic proceed. The pattern, when implemented in some language/hardware combinations, can be unsafe. At times, it can be considered an anti-pattern. It is typically used to reduce locking overhead when implementing "lazy initia...
@KonradRudolph Is this what you meant?
 
arrrgh
flashback from my stint as DBS tutor leaking through
yes, of course I meant double-checked locking
 
10:34 AM
:)
As I understand it, it needs fences to work properly.
 
but my code is much too complicated, I just noticed
 
But I have to admit I don't really understand it very well. The languages I've used so far have always had better alternatives.
 
Xeo
Err... who set that topic?
 
Take a guess.
 
damn, the code I posted is actually wrong, it will never release the object, and is much too complicated to boot
… and the updated code remedies that, but destructs the object too late
 
Xeo
10:39 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh boy
 
@KonradRudolph Mwahaha. You need a code review site for answers on the code review site!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes my finger is pointing at the cat... failing that, the puppy
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, the problem is that now the OP doesn’t really get what he wants, i.e. eager destruction
 
Xeo
@thecoshman 'twas the cat
 
@KonradRudolph reset the pointer?
 
10:40 AM
@Xeo so why did you ask?
 
… and I can’t think of any good way of providing the functionality?
@R.MartinhoFernandes How, when?
 
End of main?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman I checked after that
 
I thought that was the idea.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Eww ;) Manual work
 
10:40 AM
@Xeo then why waste our time >:
 
@KonradRudolph Ah, nevermind, I should have read the whole thing :)
"that instance be destroyed before main returned" mislead me.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, by 'the main' does he not mean the main function, ffs
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Doesn’t matter, this still works, and you can cart it off into an (automatic) destructor of a main-local object. See updated answer
 
@thecoshman Nah, he elaborates on it further on.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes tl;dr :P
 
10:43 AM
@KonradRudolph If you're using the static local guarantees, you don't need double-checked locking anymore. The compiler will get it right for you.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, damn, that comment has become obsolete, true
 
But "Either way, the singleton instance gets destructed when the last shared_ptr is destructed."
 
anyway, there’s OP’s sheepishly awaited three-line (actually, two-line) solution
 
So it's not that simple.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, that’s still totally true for my code
just that there’s one more shared_ptr which is retained.
 
10:45 AM
I could use a nap
 
@KonradRudolph Yeah, but I get the feeling the idea is that the thing is not to be destroyed only when the program ends.
 
and somehow I object to shared_ptrs whose ref-count is either 0 or 1 on a philosophical basis
 
Hmm, I may have overdone the vagueness there.
 
I agree with the room caption
How the hell would they even work
 
@KonradRudolph turn the shared pointer into a weak pointer?
 
10:46 AM
Obviously information theory etc lectures are excluded?
 
@ecatmur Not that simple either.
 
@ecatmur That won’t work here
 
@KianMayne knowing the cat, probably not
can we get a new room topic? one that is not so moronic?
 
#Swiss July jobless rate unch at 2.7% Youth unemployment at 2.9%.Wow.Compare that with 53% in Spain.
 
@thecoshman What's so moronic about it?
Also, moronic room topics were never an issue :P
 
10:50 AM
ouh yes that was bugging me too!
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Q: Does Batman whisper/change his voice in the comics?

dlanodIn the Christopher Nolan movies we saw Batman whisper/rasp his way through them, presumably to conceal his voice to stop people recognizing him as Bruce Wayne. Having people recognize his voice is obviously not generally a problem in comics given it's all written, but have they ever addressed th...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the fact that there are programming videos worth watching, one talking about theory for instance
explaining how move semantics works
@R.MartinhoFernandes they usually have some decent wit to them
 
@thecoshman I'm sure the cat would simply reply that the same thing in text form has loads of advantages, like greppability, and less time consumption.
 
@thecoshman I think that was a statement by @CatPlusPlus
should explain everything :P
 
@TonyTheLion I know ¬_¬
 
The Dark Knight Rises was quite disappointing.
 
10:52 AM
ok
@R.MartinhoFernandes what?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would argue this, but there is no point trying to reason with cats or dogs
 
You're disappointing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He didn't rise to 90 degrees?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it is lacking something. I think it is Bane, he's just not scary. He's just a strong guy with an attitude problem
@StackedCrooked zing!
 
@thecoshman Theoretical videos are not the mock target. Besides, those are usually too long anyway.
 
10:54 AM
@thecoshman Actually, Bane was one of the few things I liked about it.
 
oh cat, did I grab your attention by tagging you?
 
Any video with code in it is stupid.
 
I learned a few things from a video about bash programming.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes indeed, he was a highlight, and that says something
 
I was kind of annoyed when I realized Talia was actually the Big Bad and Bane was just a Dragon.
 
10:55 AM
nice twist in the story
I thought
 
> The leading - and by leading, we mean pretty much only - alternative to Microsoft's Direct3D API.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he's not even that, he's just a whipping boy
 
Hilarious.
 
@thecoshman He's the dragon. Don't correct me on tropes.
 
was a good twist, but hardly made the movy
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ crap metaphor then
 
10:56 AM
SPOILERS!
 
hmm... what is a 'phor'? surely there must be such a thing, else how can we have a meta one of it?
 
@TonyTheLion I saw it coming halfway through :( Someone spoiled me by mentioning Talia was in the movie.
@KonradRudolph Oh yeah that.
 
@thecoshman from “φέρω” – I carry
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, bad person for spoiling it for you
 
hence also “pheromone” – a carrier of information
 
10:58 AM
the joker, he was a great character. Seriously deranged, you never know what he would do. And he did it him self! he wasn't a slacker.
 
Rises is just a terrorist film, which batman got slipped into some how
 
@Nils Wankers, want us to review their code for free :p
 
Anyway, I left with the feeling that it was basically The Dark Knight and Begins thrown together, but without Joker.
 
@thecoshman And that’s different from the previous one how?
 
10:59 AM
sure it was a good film, just didn't feel like a batman film
 
Yeah TDKR just looks like a Tom Cruise movie.
 
Same freaking story.
 
meh lunch time
 
@KonradRudolph It isn't. That's one reason it disappointed me.
 

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