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1:00 PM
GPU is massive SIMD
 
My google skills gives me very diverging impressions about CUDA trigonometry. Isn't SIMD magic for matrix ops?
 
I would have said it's MIMD on modern hardware
 
today has been the most annoying day at the office in a REALLY long time..
 
@Cicada oh, he meant it that way, ok, thanks.
 
1:02 PM
@Flexo Not really MIMD
 
> The NVIDIA GeForce 6 Series supports MIMD branching in its vertex processors.
 
Yeah just like the others
 
A SSCE for gpu? cuda?
 
But that kills performance
 
1:03 PM
our streaming service (of all our radiostations) shut down completely, we contacted the third party responsible for sending out our stream and they said that we weren't sending proper audio to them, therefore the problem was at our end.

After about 3.5h of searching for the malfunction we get a call saying "erhm, I'm not sure what you have been doing the past 3 hours, but the problem resided at our end.. we forgot to activate a VLAN on our of our switches last night during maintenence"

I want to kill somebody. right. now.
 
You can do MIMD on the SM level
Lower than that, do SIMD or you'll kill the perf
 
@Cicada SM? (I keep reading shader model which clearly isn't right)
 
Streaming multiprocessor
 
@refp I've found Dilbert to be helpful in those situations.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I'd rather prefer an uzi, or a nullptr
 
1:06 PM
(my understanding was that modern hardware was a hybrid between SIMD/MIMD, where you had 1 program counter between say 16 floating point units)
 
@refp Please don't get me on any FBI lists, I'm using my regular IP here man!
 
how many threads on an SM?
 
@CaptainGiraffe but.. you said that we should make 9/11 look like shit, that muslims are superior and that nuclear bombs are the way to really fuck the united states? .. didn't you?
 
@refp Well yes, but that was after three beers.
 
@Flexo Well yes. But when branches diverge on the same warp, they're actually executed sequentially.
@DeadMG depends on your hardware
 
1:08 PM
@CaptainGiraffe I don't think the FBI will buy that statement.. "yeah, I planned to attack the US, but that was after I drank about.. 3 beers. I wasn't serious"
 
@Cicada max?
 
or maybe that is the perfect excuse
 
You all seem very knowledgeable on GPU code, anything a simple c++ guy like myself could appreciate?
 
@DeadMG I don't know. On the card I work on it's 1536 simultaneously I think.
 
blimey
 
1:11 PM
The kepler generation cards blow that number completely
 
@CaptainGiraffe have a look at the samples in the OpenCL SDK for your hardware
 
@Flexo oops this looks interesting. blog.markloiseau.com/2012/05/install-opencl-sdk-ubuntu Just hope my HD3870 is good enough for number crunching.
 
Fuck this shit.
I spent a whole day on this bug yesterday.
I come in this morning, look at my code, move three lines, bam, bug fixed.
 
I need to get new GFX hardware for OpenCL SDK . Wheres my CC!
@EtiennedeMartel Thats not a bam, that's a slam dunk. Go out and have an icecream in the nice weather.
 
It's indeed quite nice outside.
But it's outside. Almost all car accidents happen outside.
 
1:21 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Captains orders.
@EtiennedeMartel Please uninstall GTA too before you go outside.
 
Hm. How do I make a methodless abstract base class ?
 
Oh, so if GTA is not installed, then I won't get made and shoot people?
 
declare constructor as protected?
 
@Cicada You don't.
@Cicada That will do, yes.
I still don't see why you need that.
 
well, you pretty much can't
 
1:25 PM
might be a marker for something else?
 
in order for it to be abstract, it must have at least one pure virtual method
 
@Flexo Then why it make it abstract?
Actually, why make something the root of a hierarchy if what's below it doesn't have at least one method in common?
 
but marker classes smells like Serializable in Java
 
Poor man's attribute.
 
or trait
 
1:28 PM
Oh, right, that's how they call attributes in C++.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't. A colleague (physicist) asked for it.
And uh well the question was disturbing
No point making a methodless base class...
 
@Cicada needs way more FORTRAN then :)
 
@Cicada The proper answer is: "Mange ma marde"
 
Ce n'est pas le genre de chose qu'une jeune fille bien élevée peut se permettre de dire à des collègues âgés de plusieurs dizaines d'années de plus :)
 
@Cicada why? it may have typedefs or static const data
 
1:29 PM
@Cicada "Bien élevée"? Ha, j'ai bien ri.
 
@Abyx Physicists don't know about typedefs. They love static const though yeah sadly...
@EtiennedeMartel Je vous merde, monsieur.
 
I wonder how do you type "é" and other letter like that
 
@Cicada *emmerde
 
@Abyx you hit ´ once and then hit e
é
 
@EtiennedeMartel Non. C'est une citation dans un film.
"Je vous merde et je rentre à ma maison"
Me rappelle plus où j'ai vu ça.
 
1:33 PM
@Cicada "emmerde". South Park. Version française, évidemment.
 
@Cicada what film?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hmm il me semblait qu'il faisait la faute exprès ?
 
@Flexo South Park apparently.
Ah bon. J'aurai juré.
 
1:36 PM
Aaaaah non, c'est Coluche !
"Je parle mieux la france que vous et je vous merde"
 
Ce doude.
 
@Cicada, @EtiennedeMartel, could you move to another chat room with that French stuff?
 
Va te faire voir.
 
Woop di dou.
 
I'm going home tomorrow
 
1:41 PM
@DeadMG from where?
 
Yeah, where do you live? We need your address if we want to throw you a surprise party.
 
gonna cuggle mah puppycakes
and face my parents :(
 
throw std::surpriseparty;
 
@DeadMG Better get drunk then.
 
that is your answer to everything
 
1:45 PM
Doesn't make it any less valid.
 
no, the fact that it's a giant waste of time and money doe
 
It's only a waste if you drink alone.
 
aaaand if you don't drink alone, too
 
If you use it as a pretext to have fun with other idiots, however...
 
@Cicada assert(std::is_drunk())
 
1:48 PM
@Neil warning: expression will always evaluate to true
 
@Cicada make the destructor virtual and implement it in the class's source file.
 
Wine is inexpensive in France. Fuck.
 
@Cicada throw std::up;
 
@Neil Only if you lack skill.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Kinda impossible to have fun with idiots. Especially considering all the time and money gone to waste.
 
1:50 PM
@DeadMG When you're drunk, you don't give a shit.
 
I can have fun with idiots by finding a noob server in BF3
@EtiennedeMartel I always give a shit. Plus, money? Kinda important.
 
@DeadMG Ah, right, I forgot about that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel std::list<Liquor> liquor; if(liquor.max_size()) { throw std::up; }
 
oh, and not being sick in the morning
and not doing something stupid because I'm drunk
 
Well, tonight, I'm gonna go get wasted on microbrews. Then have a rough day at work tomorrow.
 
1:51 PM
and being able to hear myself think
 
@DeadMG It's time for you to take bad decisions.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I've already made a few of them. That's why I don't want to go home and talk to my parents.
 
@DeadMG Everything is gonna be just fine.
But you should get drunk, just to be sure.
 
no it isn't
I'mma flip burgers for the rest of my life
 
With that kind of attitude, yeah.
 
1:54 PM
@DeadMG Wut.
 
He's still being all angsty and shit.
"DeadMG: the perfect shounen hero"
 
It's gettin all serious and shit now?
 
@StackedCrooked Of course.
Pain for dinner
 
You can only counterflag messages that have been flagged
Awesome wording
 
1:59 PM
@EtiennedeMartel A drink seems appropriate then.
 
@StackedCrooked That's exactly what I keep telling @DeadMG.
@rubenvb "Counter terrorists win"
 
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Q: Is it a good idea to make VC++ as my programming career language? Pin

FalconapolloI'm addicted to VC++ since 2008, and I begin to work for my current company from 2011 when I graduated in Mathematics. Now I still love VC++, it is a wonderful programming language. Now I'm a little confused whether it's a good idea to continue with Windows Programming. Now I'm in Beijing, Chin...

Can this kind of questions be moved somewhere, or should we just close 'em?
 
> what should I do in the recent years?
Learn the difference between a language and an IDE, otherwise good luck getting a job anywhere.
 
He has a time machine. Duh.
 
This should be moved to Programmers.SE.
 
2:05 PM
Heh, I didn't even notice that 'recent'.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm refraining from voting on that. I'm not sure it will stay open on PSE.
"Don't migrate crap" and all that jazz.
 
I doubt even Prog.SE will find that question useful.
And that says something.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Vat.
 
They also kicked prog.SE off the migration list.
 
VC++ is language.
 
2:07 PM
That migration list is the most useless thing ever.
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@Abyx No.
 
Just gimme an autocompleted box with a name to type, dammit.
 
it's C++ with a bunch of ms-specific extensions
 
@Abyx It's an implementation of C++. C++/CLI is a different language.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's a rule Jeff mentioned once.
If it's crap, nuke it right here, right now. Don't migrate it first so others can nuke it. That only annoys even more people.
 
2:08 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Jeff? The guy I kind of despise without really knowing why?
 
@EtiennedeMartel no, it's like "C++ is implementation of C"
 
sbi
A spammer has control of a botnet that lives on Android devices.
 
@Abyx Eh.
 
@EtiennedeMartel As with most people, not everything he says is crap.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I know, I know.
 
2:10 PM
"implementation" can't have tens of new keywords
 
VC++ as a notion of "C++ with MS extensions" is not useful.
We don't use "GNU++", either.
 
@CatPlusPlus VisualC++ is C++ with MS extensions and the Win32 API crap.
 
@Abyx Sure they can, as long as there's a __ before it.
 
Oh, maintenance. WTF, is this a ploy to make me work?
 
@rubenvb No.
 
2:11 PM
So, WinMain, and CreateFile etc...
 
but we have to tell somehow languages with __declspec and __attribute__
 
Wat.
So Linux apps are written in POSIX++?
 
There's no POSIX++. Yet.
 
@CatPlusPlus no. They're written in C.
 
An implementation is allowed to put as many extensions as they want.
 
2:12 PM
@Abyx They're called extensions. We don't call them separate languages.
 
(I'm still curious about the reservation of namespace posix)
 
@rubenvb CreateFile is system API call.
It's not even an extension.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes A C++ wrapper around POSIX would be cool.
 
then when C++ becomes not a C with extensions?
 
@EtiennedeMartel All I could find about it was some abstract on the ISO site :S
 
2:12 PM
C++ has different semantics than C.
 
@CatPlusPlus I can see why they don't given how few people read the FAQ on target sites, but it would be nice to have a more general solution still -
 
@CatPlusPlus To be fair this "VC++" thing has different semantics than C++.
 
Eh, why do I even bother.
 
@Abyx You don't use both the same way.
@RMartinhoFernandes Not exactly.
 
VC++ is not a language and you know nothing.
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2:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I was making a jab at the incompleteness and bugginess of the implementation. Don't take me seriously.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes It's not that buggy. But the fact they release one version once per two years sure hurts them.
 
@EtiennedeMartel how far do you go with C++ POSIX? E.g. readdir/DIR* can be expressed so much better in C++, but it becomes a wildly different beast once you start making it have iterators and what not
 
@RMartinhoFernandes what?
 
@Flexo std::tr2::filesystem
 
2:15 PM
directory_range.
 
To be fair, we do have a partial C++ wrapper of POSIX with std::thread and boost::filesystem.
 
@DeadMG C++11 reserved namespace posix.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes So, they could make POSIX part of the language?
 
@EtiennedeMartel that's not really POSIX wrappers. They're more of OS wrapping than strictly POSIX.
 
2:16 PM
@rubenvb that's basically boost::filesystem right? Which is quite a distance from POSIX
 
@Flexo I don't know about you, but personally, I don't want to touch POSIX APIs directly.
 
@EtiennedeMartel The explanation given is that it's for use by the POSIX standards group. Nothing else.
 
@Flexo yes, but it's a full-fledged alternative.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Sounds like suspiciously specific denial to me.
 
Not really.
 
2:20 PM
My VM's time is messed up.
any good way to use a VM with suspend and keep time correct?
 
Run NTP?
 
@CatPlusPlus I am. ntpd
My source files have modification time 1.5s into the future
 
Then what's the problem?
 
GCC is spewing warnings.
The bastard.
 
When you unsuspend, let NTP correct the time first.
If you're not running any servers, then force it to set it directly, instead of using kernel call to slowly adjust it.
 
2:24 PM
@rubenvb that's a make warning isn't it?
 
@CatPlusPlus AFAICS, the guest OS never knew about the suspension...
It's Virtualbox' "pause" feature. VMWare calls it "suspend".
 
Regardless, NTP should adjust the time soon after it's running again.
 
@rubenvb The guest OS thinks it's hibernating, IIRC.
 
Just make it do it quickly, instead of slowly.
 
It did. I'm getting the warning.
@EtiennedeMartel nope. No hibernation going on. Just pause, and resume and nothing happened.
 
2:25 PM
Oh, hey, Boost 1.50.
 
Yeah. Little to no move support.
 
Nobody told me.
 
No move members yet, so it sucks.
 
Nobody likes you.
 
2:26 PM
I tell you everything. ;_;
 
SADNESS AND DESPAIR.
 
@CatPlusPlus I already bitched about no moves days ago. Your fault for not reading everything I say.
 
Are those smileys?
 
2:27 PM
@Flexo Yes, it appears it is. Qt Creator puts everything in one output pane.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes They are. Sad smileys
 
Why did Boost add new lambda emulation?
 
@CatPlusPlus Less QQ, more pew pew.
 
They had like 3 already.
 
@CatPlusPlus There's a rationale in the docs, isn't there?
 
2:29 PM
woah feeds in another chatroom just showed three items, but in a way I've never seen before
 
@LucDanton There's comparison and PERFORMANCE charts, but I don't see any rationale.
 
oh wow. Qt Creator shows a string literal to be a const char*.
The lying basterdz.
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, I was thinking of the comparison to alternatives.
 
@CatPlusPlus Purrformance
Man, Internet only gets installed next thursday. It's gonna be a long week.
At least I got Internet access at work.
 
Woah. That's slow.
Here you can get the thing installed like, the following day.
Do you live in the middle of nowhere in the mountains?
I never pictured you as the hermit.
 
2:43 PM
I know, I know, but I called yesterday, and that's basically the soonest they got.
I should have called earlier.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes It's called Canada.
 
Best thing is that I'm far from being in the middle of nowhere.
I'm in Montreal's hipster-infested neighborhood.
Where everyone is cool and hip and have iPhones and shit.
 
And the rest of the city is boring and has dumb phones?
 
Smartphones are dumb.
 
2:46 PM
@LucDanton Depends on the area. Downtown is full of businessmen with Blackberries.
Anyway, Montreal is pretty much a full fledged hipsterfest.
We got, like, a million billion music festivals each year.
 
@CatPlusPlus This is confusing.
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh, hey, Texas.
 
@EtiennedeMartel that's just awesome (if the music is any good, that is).
 
@rubenvb It generally is.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Does Montreal have any good Physics research stuffs at the uni?
 
2:55 PM
@rubenvb I don't know. Maybe.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's probably all in French anyway...
dang, their site doesn't even have an English version :(
 
Which site?
 
@EtiennedeMartel phys.umontreal.ca
 
@rubenvb Ah, yeah, but UMontreal is a French university.
If you want an English university, try McGill or Concordia.
 
2:58 PM
@EtiennedeMartel ok, thanks.
 

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