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3:00 AM
@LucDanton: Don't worry, all I see is *******
 
Oh okay then.
 
******* would be a cool password
 
@johnathon Are you talking about this: herbsutter.com/welcome-to-the-jungle?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes yes
 
It doesn't contain the phrase "web scale".
(Damn, I thought it was a word!)
 
3:03 AM
lol
 
Anyone have a good model phone? I need a new one but don't have the budget for an iPhone or that fancy Samsung
 
I really like my motorola q9c
I had to get a canadian version and flash it to verizon
 
Model phone?
 
and it's like 10 years old
but I love it, WM6.1 w/o touchscreen is actually an awesome OS if you just want a smartphone
 
"good model of phone"
Well, currently I have a knock off of a Nokia E7, it's the worst phone I've ever had
In particular I'm looking for a phone with a loud ringer
 
3:08 AM
there's nice apss for WM6.1, for instance, you can block all calls except for a few people at night if you want
with a program
 
@stdOrgnlDave: That's pretty useful
 
yes, I haven't seen any non-WM smartphones that have that, I missed it so much :-(
(when I didn't have a Q for a while)
it's not capable enough for more than decent calendar keeping, alarms, phone blocks, solitaire etc.
 
Maybe I should just go on a plan... people get all the good phones when they go on a plan. I'm currently on a pre-pay account because I hardly call or text people
I spend about $7 a month on calls and texts
cheapest plan is about $30 a month
Can you still get this q9c model?
 
yes, for $50 on ebay
I spend $30/mo. for 1200 minutes & unlimited texts
wait actually, I think you can get it from 'real' web stores. they're telus branded
telus motorola q9c
 
New Zealand is about 10 years behind on all technology, and it's priced as if it's brand new
 
3:14 AM
srsly?
 
@Pubby Not me -- even years after he died, Douglas Adams still has the wisdom of the ages (or some such folderol).
 
No it's not quite that bad, but it's very expensive here
 
just get it for $50 and have it shipped internationally
 
an iPhone is over $1,000, minimum wage here is $13.50 per hour
I'm earning well over minimum wage but it's still out of my price range for a phone
Yeah I think I will do that
 
...but do more research, what's great for me isn't great for everyone, and if you're not in the US you probably need a GSM version of it (Q9c is CDMA)
 
3:17 AM
CDMA or WCDMA?
 
....donno
 
We have both WCDMA and GSM here
 
there's like q9abcdefghijlmnopqrstuvwxyz
not really but there's lots of variants
 
Does your one ring loudly if you put the volume up to maximum?
I want a phone that rings annoyingly loud when I need it to
 
define annoyingly loud
 
3:19 AM
Loud enough for the neighbours to yell "answer the fucking phone!"
The Q9c looks good, looks quite solid, like it could withstand a small drop fairly easily
 
I had mine for 3 years. then it was sitting on a desk and the screen broke perfectly in the center
it was the oddest damn thing I've ever seen
just sitting there...
anyway I drop it here and there and it holds up it's not MILSPEC though
 
3 years is a good lifespan for a phone
 
just make sure your carrier is 'verizon phone compatible' or 'sprint phone compatible' or whatnot, get the proper GSM/CDMA version, and flash it over
 
3:35 AM
Looks like someone didn't follow that advice:
trademe = "ebay for New Zealand"
nobody uses ebay in NZ except for buying things overseas
Not a Q9c but I guess if I find one I have to be ultra careful about it
 
mine was locked on canadian network
motorola flash tools took care of that for me
it says telus onthe outside but says verizon when it boots :-P
 
lol I don't know if it will work here, since all mobile phones have SIM cards here
Or does yours have a SIM too?
 
CMDA = no SIM
SIM is a GSM thing
 
WCDMA also has SIM cards
I guess WCDMA is entirely incompatible with CDMA
 
just look at the different models I swear there's one for every situation
a b c d e etc...
 
3:45 AM
Finally! I think 'h' is the one I'm after
 
Hey all… how do I list files with full modification dates in Unix?
I don't do this kind of thing often. ls is surprisingly unconfigurable. Maybe it's a question for SuperUser…
 
How full is full? I.e. what's wrong with ls -l?
 
It also depends on the implementation of ls I think...
 
the implementation of ls?
....
 
I want the year. More specifically, I want a format I can convert to ISO 8601 for Solr.
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Q: list files with full modification date

PotatoswatterI want to produce a list of files in a directory and feed it into a script to generate database entries including their creation dates. ls appears to be the obvious choice, but doesn't print the year in the creation date. And it doesn't seem that I can just choose the columns I want, which is an...

 
3:55 AM
ls --full-time + cut maybe?
 
Any implementation of ls must implement ls -l but whether it's required that it prints out an entire date I dont' know...
Ah!
 
Shadow:~ dkrauss$ ls --fulltime
ls: illegal option -- -
 
ls | grep magically what I want
 
There it is:

The <date and time> field shall contain the appropriate date and timestamp of when the file was last modified. In the POSIX locale, the field shall be the equivalent of the output of the following date command:

date "+%b %e %H:%M"
 
@stdOrgnlDave Ex-actly. And then I'll sed it to all-numeric ISO 8601 :)
 
3:58 AM
@Potatoswatter --full-time, not --fulltime. And in any case I got that from the man page. Look into those for your system.
 
@dreamlax WCDMA is entirely incompatible with essentially everything else. The modulation is (obviously enough) based on CDMA, but the rest of the system is a lot more like a successor to GSM. For 4G/LTE, they've gone to yet another entirely incompatible signalling scheme (or, more accurately, family of signalling schemes), but the rest of the system remains logically a successor to 3G (WCDMA) and GSM.
 
@LucDanton It complained about the two dashes, not the following text :vP . I think Linux ls is a bit more sophisticated than OS X.
 
@JerryCoffin: Ah! Thanks for the info. I know nothing about phones really. It still seems magical that I can ring my mum from the middle of a lake
 
@Potatoswatter Hence the need for your system's man page. Nothing about time in it?
 
@LucDanton Very little.
 
4:00 AM
@dreamlax I like Bjarne's line, something like: "When I started programming, I wanted it to be as easy as using my phone. I've guess I've succeeded -- I know longer know how to use my phone!"
3
 
A SUSv3 compliant ls does not need to produce the year... how weird
 
ls is apparently geared more toward interaction… funny, since ps tends to be quite industrial strength.
 
ls is cut-friendly.
 
4:18 AM
chirp
 
I'm tempted to just answer with a wrong answer.
 
lol

Answer with something completely irrelevant
 
I just want to answer "yes"
 
59.233
if you're lucky
 
1
A: my last revision in c++ OOB before exam

std''OrgnlDavethe answer to your question is yes also it's getting harder to read recaptchas

 
4:25 AM
lol
 
It's getting harder because the robots are getting smarter!
 
@stdOrgnlDave There's a better way to get around the minimum length filter.
 
Is the declaration complete? Doesn't it need a semicolon (C++ noob here)
 
@dreamlax Look at the edit history... the question was not this "nice" originally.
You're lucky it looks like this now!
 
Oh man, you're right!
 
4:29 AM
@stdOrgnlDave That answer just got flagged about 30 secs. ago. :(
 
I can't believe Mankarse even parsed the original question
 
ah, that's funny
what does it mean if it gets flagged?
 
@stdOrgnlDave A mod will eventually see it and delete it.
It got flagged as "Not an Answer".
 
@stdOrgnlDave: It just means a moderator may remove it
 
does that mean that I'll lose points or something?
 
4:31 AM
@stdOrgnlDave You'll lose that upvote you got on it.
 
I would vote for a close on that question if I could
 
What can reputation buy you these days? I wish I could trade in some rep for a new phone or something
 
actually, I knew what waw being asked
 
@dreamlax Having some rep along with a few very good answers at the top of your list definitely helps with getting interview requests and job offers.
 
the answer was a!
@Mysticial you put SO on your resume?
 
4:33 AM
Having too much rep could actually hurt you since it means you spend too much time on the site.
 
@Mysticial: I've been offered so many jobs but all of them were pretty crap. Maybe 23k isn't enough...
 
@stdOrgnlDave Prior to December, I wouldn't because I didn't have any "real" answers in my top 5. Now I would...
3 of my 5 top answers are decent. So now I'd feel ok about putting SO on my resume.
 
I'm on the top contributor list for Objective-C and all of the job offers I get are for USA-based jobs and don't offer any relo packages
 
what are your top 5?
 
I wish NZ-based employers would look at SO...
 
4:35 AM
@stdOrgnlDave Just go to my profile. I'm pretty sure all the regulars here have seen them.
 
@Mysticial those top answers were from questions that got linked on reddit, right?
 
645
Why does changing 0.1f to 0 slow down performance by 10x?
475
Why is one loop so much slower than two loops?
155
Why does GCC generate such radically different assembly for nearly the same C code?
119
What is x after “x = x++”?
95
What is the difference between str==NULL and str[0]=='\0' in C?
 
@JamesCuster Yeah, my top 3 all got reddited.
 
Not bad.
 
And the top two also made ycombinator/hacker news.
 
4:36 AM
you got 645 for denormals????
 
note to self: write up a really good answer and link question to reddit to get massive upvotes.
 
Basically, prior to November, my top 20 answers were all stupid FGITW answers except for maybe two of them... Not something I'd want an employer to see.
 
Lol, my #2 answer is "What is the meaning of “……” token?" Totally impractical and useless.
 
All my top answers are lame :(
 
All of mine are lame too... it's embarassing almost
I wish we could chose our favourite ones to put there
 
4:38 AM
@JamesCuster From what I've seen, several SO questions get reddited everyday. But only about one a week or so make the front page and get a lot of attention.
 
you can choose them on your careers page
 
I don't have a careers page... maybe I should look into that
 
I've been reddited at least 4 times. 3 of them were successful.
 
Hmm, I'm in the top 30% of C# even though I've never used C# :S
 
C# questions tend to not do well on reddit. :(
 
4:40 AM
Wow only 20 people have a gold Objective-C badge...
 
@stdOrgnlDave Dude, that denormal question was not an easy question to answer...
Like seriously, who in the world would suspect denormals?!? (How many people are even aware that Denormals are slow?)
 
I AM
but I would not have immediately suspected it
 
I should say "how many people were even aware". Clearly the number of votes I got and the responses on reddit and google searches showed that a lot of people learned that denormals sucked on that day...
 
lol I got to keep that upvote
 
@stdOrgnlDave: go to stackoverflow.com/reputation and scroll to the bottom of the page and click "trigger recalc"
or wait for the recalc to happen naturally
 
4:44 AM
where do I find my top n questions
 
@stdOrgnlDave Neither did I, I spent about 15 min. staring at assembly before I started to suspect something else.
 
recalc doesn't need to be done anymore
 
@stdOrgnlDave Your profile.
 
@Pubby: Sometimes it does, just recently I did a recalc and it took 20 rep away from me
I was like "Noooo! I was going to downvote 20 people with that rep"
 
That sucks
 
4:46 AM
Well, 20 rep is 0.1% of my actual rep so no big loss
 
yeah but wher in my profile
 
@stdOrgnlDave Below your picture.
 
I have taken 900 rep from people with my downvotes
 
@stdOrgnlDave Click "votes"
 
I am mad with power :)
 
4:47 AM
Everything that I've ever downvoted on SO has been deleted.
 
Is it just me or does voting on questions not affect rep? Was that always the case?
 
@Mysticial 3 downvotes?
 
@Pubby lol, yeah
 
ok I clicked votes it shows the votes I did...
 
Do you love everybody or just don't want to lose 1 rep? :P
 
4:48 AM
or that was on me
 
@Pubby I tend to prefer negative comments.
 
@dreamlax Lol!
 
where do I find my top rep questions! pretend I'm an old granny that doesn't know why AOL isn't working
 
@StackedCrooked: ?
 
@dreamlax Voting down questions doesn't affect rep. Don't know if it's always been that way...
 
4:51 AM
The person who asked the question loses rep though right? Like 2 points or whatever
 
@dreamlax Question mark?
 
that's BS though
 
@StackedCrooked Generic punctuation
 
4:52 AM
@dreamlax Not sure... there's a post that explains it somewhere. I think they do.
 
I had one that I got 155 rep from because of a bounty
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A: How to fix warning C4793 with template class?

std''OrgnlDaveBig revision, since (in the comments) the poster explains why &T:Foo; was not an issue. The origins of this warning are somewhat stupidly complex. After investigation we find the following from Microsoft, which ComicSansMS also posted: When a template function is instantiated, the pragm...

 
@stdOrgnlDave Yeah, your profile sorts by votes, not by how much rep you got.
 
@Pubby Someone should tell him he sucks at putting milk in his coffee.
 
When I first started at SO I wanted to get lots of rep but man, I was such an idiot, thank god there were plenty of smarter people out there to correct me
 
I shoulda linked that one on reddit
it's really interesting :-(
 
4:54 AM
@stdOrgnlDave From what I've seen reddit is not a fond of pedantic C++ questions.
 
@dreamlax stackoverflow.com/privileges/vote-down "Downvotes remove 2 reputation from the post owner." "Downvotes on questions are free."
 
Looking back at some of my older answers I feel like I should delete them
@JamesCuster: Ah! Thanks for the info
 
it's not a pedantic question, it happens to go into what C++/CLI does and why
 
0
A: Rand_Max*(max-min)+min << what is that?

Tiago Peczenyjthe ran() function returns a random value between min and max ? but sometimes we need a random value between A and B (min and max). So we can adjust the result for it. a is double, so we use a static_cast! a = rand() ; 0 <= a <= RAND_MAX a = a/RAND_MAX ; 0 <= a &...

:facepalm:
 
No bucket?
 
5:01 AM
I posted this yesterday, but if anyone is interested in redditing a question (whether it'd be yours or someone else's) It's be useful to see what kind of questions actually do well on reddit:
 
I love the question "I mean, I know its part of the random value generation process. But dont know exactly what the hell is going on."
 
"Moving decimal places over in a double" got 674 upvotes on reddit.
Seriously?
 
The most ridiculous question I've seen on reddit is this:
47
Q: Moving decimal places over in a double

BlackCowSo I have a double set to equal 1234, I want to move a decimal place over to make it 12.34 So to do this I multiply .1 to 1234 two times, kinda like this double x = 1234; for(int i=1;i<=2;i++) { x = x*.1; } System.out.println(x); This will print the result, "12.340000000000002" Is there...

 
haha
 
5:06 AM
@JamesCuster lol, yeah...
52k views... 47 / 133 votes
That's the lowest vote/view ratio I've ever seen for something that's been reddited.
 
it's a stupid question, but an informative answer
basically a "why are floats not exact" for dummies
 
That's probably the only FGITW question I've ever seen do well on reddit.
@stdOrgnlDave The answer was extensively improved while it was still hot on reddit.
Clearly he was trying to farm more votes out of it while it was hot. (I would've too...)
 
@stdOrgnlDave There are tons of questions that can be answered by simply reading about floating point numbers
That's basically the answer...
 
That submission did well because of the title it was given on reddit.
It was basically meant to attract rage.
 
really?
I should create a dummy account, ask stupid yet nuanced questions, paste them onto reddit (FROM THE DUMMY ACCOUNT), then give the most insightful answer
 
5:14 AM
I could've extended the list further back than December, but there are literally hundreds of crap submissions I had to sift through. Not to mention I didn't really start to follow reddit until that loop question got reddited.
 
Write a script? ;)
 
@JamesCuster Don't know how. I know nothing about web-crawling... :(
 
Is web-crawling webscale?
 
wget
libcurl
wget + libcurl + mongodb
wget + libcurl + mongodb | grep cool stories ? profit!
@Mysticial for shits and giggles would you plug 100,100 into that code earlier? I can re-paste it if you want. I just wonder if it scales linearly
before it crashes
 
I keep getting this error in MSVC08 :
C2593: 'operator >' is ambiguous

everytime I try to compare a class vli variable with 0. otherwise it's all cool

bool operator >(const vli&);
bool operator >(char*);
bool operator >(unsigned long long);


vli n;

n = 13468;

if(n > 0) // C2593: 'operator >' is ambiguous

??
 
5:21 AM
ummmmm
@Jonas bool operator>(const vli&,unsigned long long)
gotta have something to compare it against in that operator
 
@stdOrgnlDave I'll pass, I rather not have to sleep with that machine on.
Especially in the summer when I really have to turn all the fans to max.
 
oh
goodnight all
 
I'm still here, it's past midnight, but it's still far from my bedtime.
I should probably send that sandbox server home and retire it. You can build something better now for under $3000 USD.
 
@stdOrgnlDave I'm sorry I forgot
those are calls member functions

class vli
{
...
...
bool operator >(const vli&);
bool operator >(char*);
bool operator >(unsigned long long);
...
...
};
 
@Jonas 0 has type int thus selecting the overload taking unsigned long long involves a promotion. Maybe the vli type is convertible from int. I would have thought that a promotion ranks higher than such a conversion but that's stretching my knowledge of overload resolution rules. In any case, does it make sense to have vli convertible from an integral type? Perhaps you'd do well to use an explicit constructor.
 
user406009
5:27 AM
Hmm this seems like it will not end well: "So, instead of using regular web technologies(javascript, html and php/other), why don't we just create multiple Java applets. Then we create a Java application that connects via a normal socket to the applet, to act as both logic and database."
 
If it makes sense for the type vli to be constructible from an integral type then I think you should make sure that the operator> accepts that same type, to avoid promotions.
 
@LucDanton btw is 0 considered negative or positive ?
 
That's sort of ambiguous mathematically, because it depends on literature/tradition. AFAICT Anglo-Saxon literature treat zero as not having a sign. On the other hand, I've been taught that zero is both positive and negative.
So I can't really answer the question.
 
More like: In polar representation of complex numbers, 0 has an infinite representations. (0 magnitude, and any angle)
So yes, it's ambiguous.
Same with 1 / 0. (infinite magnitude, but angle depends on which direction you approach it from on the complex plane)
 
@Mysticial How do you define positive/negative for complex numbers?
Total red herring.
The question is not "Does 0 have just one representation?".
 
5:37 AM
@LucDanton Maybe I'm being too mathematical.
 
@LucDanton I mean how does the machine represents 0.
for char I think it's positive: [ -128, 127]
 
@Mysticial i so totally resisted the temptation to say 0 is always positive unless were dealing with floating point numbers
 
0 has exactly one value representation for the integral types. And I still can't say whether that representation is positive or negative because again, there are multiple available definitions of 'positive'.
 
omg
 
@LucDanton in the machine sense of it, if the signed bit is not set, it's positive
@LucDanton if we are not talking about floating point numbers
 
5:39 AM
@johnathon What do you think 'integral type' means? (although char is not one of those. Oh well.)
 
@LucDanton actually char to the machine is integral, ranges from 0x00, to 0xff in ascii
 
Yeah, no. 'The' machine doesn't make sense. You're describing 'one' machine. I'm speaking C++. Scratch that 'actually'.
 
@Scott, yes, and under the hood to the machine a char is an integral type, it can be signed and unsigned just as an int in c++, so c++ even treats it as an integral type
 
> Types bool, char, char16_t, char32_t, wchar_t, and the signed and unsigned integer types are collectively called integral types.
What's what I was referring to when I said 'integral type': the Standard concept. Not the literal meaning.
And char is definitively among them. I misremembered.
 
i was going to point that out.. lol , but you beat me to it
 
5:48 AM
The oddity I was thinking of is that char is neither a signer integer type or an unsigned integer type, even though it is an integer type.
 
@LucDanton yes, it is signed and unsigned
 
"It is implementation-defined whether a char object can hold negative values." to be exact.
 
@LucDanton yea, i dunno bout gcc, or clang, but icc and vc both can go negative if left signed
my point though is , 0, is only positive in integral types, floating point, not so much , in floating point theres +0, and -0
and the bane of it , they have completely different binary representations , it's not just the signed bit that's different
 
For some meaning of 'positive' :) What I was getting at earlier is that it's sometimes defined that only a non-zero number can be positive of negative.
 
in mathematics, true. 0 by it's self is neither + or -. however as mystical pointed out when 0 is used to represent other concepts it's undefined, or infinity
sorry, it's late
 
5:57 AM
0 is never undefined or infinity, no.
Well, for the usual and useful constructs.
 
@LucDanton The angle of zero is undefined. (or rather indeterminate)
I do too much stuff with complex numbers... so I tend to think that way.
 
@Mysticial And I still wonder why you brought that up.
 
FFTs, polar coordinates...
 
:))
 
Which has what to do with signedness?
 
5:59 AM
because they too can be positive or negative
 
Complex numbers?
 
@Mysticial it is indeterminate, not undefined
don't confuse the two :)
 
@JamesCuster i used the term undefined loosely
@JamesCuster hence i said, sorry, it's late
 
Yeah, I should go to bed.
 
i should too before i incite mass confusion or mass negative views of my intellect :))
 
6:04 AM
Looks like wikipedia states that zero is neither positive or negative.
This is what we do in Lounge<C++>: we debate whether 0 is positive or negative...
 
lol , damnit , to c++ it's positive, unless your talking about floating point numbers!
@Mystical, you did the cpu stress test using complex mathematics right
 
@johnathon Not just that, but a number of different things.
 
@Mysticial ok, i had you confused with someone else, sory
 
There's a whole bunch of way to stress-test a machine. Some legitimate, some not... :P
 
lol
indeed there is.
 
6:11 AM
posted on May 11, 2012 by Anders Schau Knatten

The other day, I discovered a bug in some code that can be simplified to something like this: A library of functions that handles a lot of different types: Used like this: It of course outputs: Then someone wanted to handle void pointers as well, and added this function to the library: What is the [...]

 
I have a pretty crazy example of an illegitimate stress-test. (that is, a piece of code that doesn't do anything meaningful - other than to stress the machine)
 
I've seen a few of those
 
79
A: how to achieve 4 flops per cycle

MysticialI've done this exact task before. But it was mainly to measure power consumption and CPU temperatures. The following code (which is fairly long) achieves close to optimal on my Core i7 2600K. The key thing to note here is the massive amount of manual loop-unrolling as well as interleaving of mul...

100% pointless code.
I literally wrote it as part of my grad-school work on processor power consumption.
And then a month later, someone conveniently asked a related question. lol
 
;p;
lol
good work though
 
hi all
can anybody tell how to run .app file on mac from asp.net website
 
6:23 AM
that name alone means im up way too late
 
@johnathon I found that issuing a floating-point instruction takes 4x more energy than actually executing it... :)
You can probably blame x86 for that...
 
@Mysticial naturally , have you ever looked under the hood at floating point numbers? Trust me, it's not for the fight at heart, and more to the point they have NAN's , (Not A Number) which is nothing but to be feared, and respected
 
@johnathon Yeah I did. I made sure all those flops were "real" flops on "real" numbers. Not zero, not NAN, not denormal...
 
@Mysticial i was naive, and said 0oh ever so quaintly "cool, how does this work"
 
Because there will be special case handling for those. I can imagine a zero using less power to operate on than anything else.
 
6:26 AM
@Mysticial lol, yea. you did good work as i said
 
@johnathon If I didn't do it thoroughly, my prof would get mad... so...
But since I'm an overclocker, I had a lot of fun writing that - actually trying to break hardware with code.
 
@Mysticial i've never been to college for computers, never took a programming course
 
@johnathon It wasn't a class. Just part of my research work for my adviser/prof.
Classes don't teach you how to fry a computer with code.
 
@Mysticial ah, right on. And no they don't, they also don't teach you how to exploit services and manipulate them either
@Mysticial or how to approach something as a black box , rip it apart, and re impliement it
 
Yeah, that all needs to be self-taught.
 
6:30 AM
mmhmm
cool though, really, so long as its not done in a malevolent manner
@Mysticial virtual memory models crashed a lot of folks party's back in the day :))
@Mysticial for fun though, you should do something like that with GPGPU and see what kind of results you get
@Mysticial i bet the results would be completely astonishing
 
@johnathon I've been intending to. But I yet to come across a task that I needed that was suitable for a GPU.
I've been preparing for it for the past few years now. All the video cards I get for gaming are Nvidias with CUDA.
 
@Mysticial same. I would play with the code and what not, but most everything i write has to do with manipulation of strings really.
 
But I just haven't run into something that deserves trying out on GPU.
 
the limited data types on the gpu is what keeps me from playing with it
 
The biggest let-down at the time was no recursion/function-pointer and poor double-precision.
Both of those have been fixed with CUDA 2
 
6:36 AM
fine if you need int . i mean one could represent a character array as an array of ints to the gpu
 
But I don't have any CUDA 2 video cards.
And everything I've been doing has been too memory-bound to benefit from GPU.
 
@Mysticial i can seriously though see someone doing some rainbow table generation with gpgpu though
 
6:55 AM
nice. c++11 has full conventions to convert from char to wchar_t and vice versa
i was aware that it could go from wchar_t to char, and was pleasantly surprised when i started digging deeper
 

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