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10:00 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Same here. XOR-swapping has 3 instructions all on a single dependency chain. Assignment-swapping can be done in 1 cycle due to register renaming.
 
@Mysticial @RMartinhoFernandes it all depends on what the assigment is doing , for class types, as we all know the overhead of assignment is really a copy, for native language types it all depends on the type .. oh well
 
I hope I didn't lose you there.
And I'm assuming word-sized integers.
 
@johnathon For class types, XOR would have to be overloaded.
@johnathon We're considering only those types for which a XOR already exists in the language.
@Mysticial I understood. Somewhat.
 
sighs @Mysticial i would too. wonder if the compiler is regsiter renaming them'
 
@johnathon The hardware can also do it.
 
10:02 AM
@Mysticial or doing some kind of dubious optimzation
 
oh man. After reading the last 10 posts, im glad i don't have to code in c++ anymore
 
The last 10 posts are not about C++.
 
@johnathon It can be out-right free if the compiler just propagates the renaming through the rest of the uses.
 
@Mysticial maby thats what it's doing, but i'd really like to know how he's timing it
 
After reading Martin's obnoxious post, im gald i don't have to work with c++ programmers anymore.
 
10:05 AM
Waking up sucks.
 
@CatPlusPlus Not waking up sucks more though.
 
lmao
 
Anyways, I have a meeting 5 hours. I should probably get some sleep.
night
 
g'nigh mystical
 
Not waking up means not dealing with headache, so I'd be really fine with that right now.
 
10:06 AM
@Mysticial Good night.
Someone posted an answer similar to what you mentioned, btw:
 
Not waking up can also mean you're dead.
night for realz
 
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A: Why swap don't use Xor operation in C++

BlueWandererAnd the effectiveness depends on where you use it. On a normal cpu, the normal swap for two integer variable looks like $1 <- a $2 <- b a <- $2 b <- $1 4 ops, 2 loads, 2 stores, and longest dependency is 2 In the xor way: $1 <- a $2 <- b $3 <- $1 ^ $2 $4 <- $3 ^ $2 $...

 
And I'd still be fine with that.
Well, I wouldn't care anymore.
 
@CatPlusPlus There's another way of not dealing with the headache: not getting shitfaced.
 
Now you tell me.
 
10:08 AM
Can I flag this room? The description offends me.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, but in order to not get shitfaced, you have to not drink. And that's a reality he's not willing to live with. ;)
 
> @CatPlusPlus: Have you read compatibility profile specification? It states that implementation may choose to support compatibility profile. If implementation supports compatibility profile, all deprecated features are available. As far as I know, right now compatibility profile is guaranteed to be present at least by NVidia. (...)
> (...) So for app developer, important part is whether the feature is available, and not whether it has been deprecated. So far as far as I know, compatibility profile is available everywhere. So no need to avoid "deprecated" functions – SigTerm 9 hours ago
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Confirmed that the 4th downvote is on the -6 answer. It got deleted and the OP got 1 rep back.
 
I'm like, whaaaaaaaat.
 
anyways, night for realz
 
10:09 AM
I'm sad that I have to explain what the hell "deprecated" means.
 
@Mysticial hehe, lol
 
@Mysticial You're going to bed? What time is it there?!
 
@Mysticial Yeah, right.
 
@Neil 5AM, meeting's at 10
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
10:10 AM
@Mysticial Ouch.. It's lunchtime here, man.
Did you really think I was such a masochist that I'd still be up?
 
@Neil england?
 
@johnathon Italy
 
@Neil well i figured it was prime meridian ish
 
@johnathon Only off by a couple thousand miles
 
@Neil better than being off by 1 on a pointer deference:P
 
10:12 AM
@CatPlusPlus o_0
 
@Neil You'd be surprised by the nationalities of the users that most commonly are in the room during US day time.
Hint: most of them are from the Old World.
 
<~ is off today, so yea, Party On!
 
... dudes.
 
I'm half-off. I haven't switched on properly yet.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Good point. I probably wouldn't be.
@CatPlusPlus You can't do that. Unless you're working with qbits, you are either 0 or 1
 
10:15 AM
@CatPlusPlus which poison did you choose sir?
 
@Neil He's a cat. Schrödinger says he can be superimposed.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh! Do you know Schrodinger?
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Python is a better language than C++ in all regards. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
The other one was funnier (because it lacked so much truth).
 
indeed
 
10:16 AM
lol
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Prolog is a better language than C++ in all regards. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
@RMartinhoFernandes "superimposed"
if i may impose
 
at least there was a flame war going on bout it at the time
 
@CheersandhthAlf Oh, translation mishap. Thanks.
 
Cue DeadMG rage.
 
10:17 AM
Rabies.
@TonyTheLion lol
 
You broke it.
 
@CatPlusPlus Broke what?
 
i think the thing about the superposition principle is that those functions are all linear
 
his sleepiness maybe?
 
10:18 AM
so nothing can really interact
so we should be sinking into the earth
 
In physics and systems theory, the superposition principle , also known as superposition property, states that, for all linear systems, the net response at a given place and time caused by two or more stimuli is the sum of the responses which would have been caused by each stimulus individually. So that if input A produces response X and input B produces response Y then input (A + B) produces response (X + Y). Mathematically, for a linear system, F, defined by F(x) = y, where x is some sort of stimulus (input) and y is some sort of response (output), the superposition (i.e., sum) of s...
oh I get it :P
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Topic.
 
It's still the Prolog one.
 
It is?
Nevermind then.
 
His message was fake, not a real audit one. Otherwise I couldn't have moved it.
 
10:19 AM
I just copy & pasted the text and posted that here
 
hmm question about linearity?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes finally you realized :P
TAGLINECEPTION
 
I need water.
 
@CatPlusPlus would you prefer a running tap or a bowl?
 
Whatever's colder.
 
10:22 AM
I’ve come to the conclusion that Martin Sústrik is a troll
 
@thecoshman Running tap! What do you take him for?
 
his answers to comments make me raaaage
(he’s the exceptions are eeevil guy)
 
@Neil fyi some cat's like drinking running water
 
@thecoshman In my mind, any sentence a cat would mutter if they could ends with ", what do you take me for?!"
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@KonradRudolph to be fair, I do prefer his 'check for problem condition and then call function to deal with' solution over just throwing and then calling. of course, if you want to make some else deal with the problem throwing an exception is the way to go
 
10:26 AM
@KonradRudolph So many "blah blah we disabled exceptions" people.
 
Needs for "blah blah"
 
> You seem to be using them to write error handling code, when in fact you should not be doing that. Exception-handling code should be executed only when exceptional conditions occur, not to handle expected errors, hence the name: exceptions.
Palmface.
 
@CatPlusPlus that's wrong. the unexpected errors should preferably be handled by assert and possibly terminate.
 
@CheersandhthAlf he was quoting someone else
 
They're called exceptions not errors because calling it error would be confusing.
People are stupid.
That's my conclusion.
 
10:28 AM
@johnathon yes i understood
 
@CatPlusPlus People are stupid and everything is fucked.
 
If only we could throw errors instead of exceptions everything would be ok.
 
ERROR_SUCCESS
^ From the Windows API
 
@Greg In Java you can!
 
Error: no error.
 
10:29 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Alcohol, Cigarettes, and C++ none of that is fucked
 
change prolog back to java.
 
@CheersandhthAlf theres better ones than that
 
C++ definitely is.
 
I'm waiting for the day I see some code that throws an exception so that it can return more then one value. It's only a matter of time 'till I see it
 
@thecoshman I wrote that once.
For demo purposes, I should add.
 
10:30 AM
lmao
 
You can just return a tuple, yknow.
 
perhaps we should write code that only throws exception, so we can return different object types. And if a value is ever actually "returned" we can throw an exception.
 
@CatPlusPlus or even just a struct for your complex return type, or have the caller pass in 'out values'
 
well i'll see ya'll folks later
 
Out arguments suck.
 
10:32 AM
@Greg I think we should have a success exception. If the exception is a failure, it should contain an inner exception with the actual exception.
@johnathon Later
 
ah now your talking neil
why even bother with return values? we can make all our functions void
 
Some languages do that.
 
@Greg That's brilliant! Exception pattern, they'll call it
 
Right its the exception pattern we invented right here.
And has never been done in any language before.
i think i will apply it to c#
so im wondering, what ever happened to pascal?
 
Though, in all seriousness, exceptions often represent some anomalous behavior which, in theory, shoudl be thrown in exceptional circumstances. So what happens if success is not expected? Is it okay to throw a success exception?
 
10:35 AM
hmmm thats a good question.
 
-3
A: Is there a safe bool idiom helper in boost?

Cheers and hth. - AlfThe safest thing to do is to not have implicit conversion to bool. Make that conversion explicit. Then the name, if chosen well, can also help people understand what it's all about. Cheers & hth.,

 
I think it's conceptually correct, but it'd be difficult to read, so I guess not for that reason.
 
Lets say we are testing from large prime numbers
 
@Neil If success is not expected, it's okay to have sex with the nearest member of a gender you're attracted to.
 
^ Both mindless close-voters and mindless down-voters. It gets uncozy on SO.
 
10:36 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Metaphor police tag your comment. What is that supposed to mean anyway?
 
@CheersandhthAlf What the heck happened there?
 
Question was closed as "not real". It was very simple and very real.
 
when someone asks a question, and you tell them not to do what they are asking how to do, it is not usually well recieved.
 
@Greg Right, suppose we're testing large prime numbers. You want to know when a prime number is found, so you don't throw an exception on failure, you throw an exception on success..
 
> If you mean that they cause behaviour that is difficult to reason about, that's a very different thing
 
10:37 AM
It was just yet another attack of the morons (ATM)
(TM)
 
righr niel
 
@CatPlusPlus What’s so infuriating about the troll is that he answers to all the stupid comments, and when he answers to intelligent comments he ignores the salient points and instead attacks side-issues. He has so far failed to address any of the serious criticisms of his article.
 
^ I like that guy's summary. The whole raving about 'exceptions -> undefined behaviour' goes without any proof
 
@KonradRudolph Ignore, move on.
 
@Greg it is IMHO the best solution to the OP's problem.
 
10:39 AM
@CatPlusPlus Hard to ignore because it’s so widely linked to
 
I have no problem ignoring it.
Do something fun instead.
 
Stop caring about willingly stupid people.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Start caring about unwillingly intelligent people
 
@KonradRudolph It's evidently farther back than the buffer in my browser, could someone provide a link? thanks
 
10:40 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes The problem is that these people release fucktons of bad code into the wild
(and yes, “fuckton” is a metric unit)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Right.. like you. *cough*
 
@KonradRudolph But... there is nothing you can do for those.
Other than putting them out of business, that is.
 
I once asked for a library for inserting values into an "input text file" for executing legacy fortran code on a contract. Some asshole tells me "No there is not, that is why the use of txt files is not done anymore and are new ways created.

For instance XML files which have replaced those TXT files (before that was tried the INI file to replace the TXT but that was no success).

Parsing to a text file is always a process that results in many errors (Which is from the view of the end user of course the fault of the programmer who made the program). "
Later i found one built into C# standard library.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes thx
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Fight ignorance where ever you find it
 
10:43 AM
Its like YES i know text files are bad, but Im supporting a fortran library that im not going to rewrite.
I wish i could have given him -100
 
@KonradRudolph Wasting resources on a fight you can't win is not a sound battle plan.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes depends on whether you fight because it's fun to fight, or to "win"?
 
@KonradRudolph Was exception-safety mentioned in the comments? That seems to cover one of the big worries of the author (i.e. in what state the program and its parts are after an exception is thrown). I tried to look for mentions but wading through those comments makes me feel ill.
 
@CatPlusPlus: This is pointless. Bye. — SigTerm 10 mins ago
It really is.
 
10:54 AM
VS Question: What's the tool of choice to automatically build solutions, msbuild or devenv?
 
@Nils devenv just invokes msbuild
 
Bueno
 
msbuild is intended to be a build system, so use that :)
 
(If that means hello, then great! If it means "good" then... "Hello!")
 
ah but msbuild doesn't seem to work straight ahead
 
10:55 AM
what do you mean?
 
It only works straight up.
 
"could not find VCProjectEngine.dll"
 
@Nils well, something is missing from your path, it seems like. Are you running from a VS command prompt?
 
well it takes msbuild from the .net framework in \windows
where is the msbuild binary from visual studio?!
@jalf of course
 
If you're on a VS command prompt, just typing msbuild should do.
 
10:58 AM
@Nils it depends on VC version
 
9
 
devenv .
msbuild only for vc10 (and 11)
 
ok
 
oh yeah, there is that. :)
 
Yeah, 9 uses VCBuild, not MSBuild.
 
10:59 AM
.vcproj is VCBuild. .vcxproj is MSBuild
 
ah
that explains things
 
They're not very clever with their naming.
 
Can I inject a very simple question into the conversation - I'm using JNI (urgh) and I need to use windows.h & winsock libraries. When loading the compiled dll in java it complains it can't find dependencies - I would assume the dll's containing windows libraries are loaded into the OS and therefore don't need me to manually do a System.loadLibrary()... am I wrong?
 
@LucDanton Yes I believe it was. And ignored.
 
thx :)
 
11:00 AM
@KonradRudolph Well then no need to worry about that thing any more. There was due diligence and all.
 
btw I just read your comments on the zero mq thing
 
@Graeme the dlls you use need to be loaded into your process. Not into the OS
 
I guess properly using exceptions in C++ is not quite easy.
I probably would do it wrong if I had to design all exception classes.
Are there any significant changes in C++11 with respect to error handling or exceptions?
 
@jalf That's annoying but ok - brings up the question, what dll's contain the functionality that would be in win_32 / ws_32 ?
 
@Graeme Check the docs
 
11:02 AM
If only I had docs :(
 
MSDN lists, for every function, which header and which DLL it is part of
@Graeme you mean someone took down msdn?
Damn terrorists!
 
ooOoh, that's a thing?
 
@Graeme Yes, Microsoft does actually document the Windows API
 
off I go - thanks!
 
What did you expect?
 
11:03 AM
There's nothing hard about exceptions if your app is built with exception-safe primitives from ground up.
 
that every Windows application ever written worked against undocumented APIs?
@CatPlusPlus The hard part is ensuring all your classes are exception-safe :)
 
I expected to search through google, find 1000's of answer which had the right keywords but didn't help me, then pointlessly click buttons and search my machine until I eventually figured out what I'm doing - Just like every other bit of JNI/C coding I do.
 
And of course you have to know what exception safety is in the first place.
 
@Nils There's new stuff based on Boost.System and Boost.Exceptions.
 
that's not exactly standard :)
 
11:05 AM
@jalf lol
 
It was pulled into the standard.
But Boost.Exception is still better.
 
@Nils We define what is standard! Are we mice or are we men?!
 
We're ruled by mice.
Or something.
 
@Nils "new stuff based on Boost.System and Boost.Exceptions."
It is standard. It just happens that the ideas came from Boost.
@CatPlusPlus We work for them.
 
47
Q: When is it right for a constructor to throw an exception?

markrlindseyWhen is it right for a constructor to throw an exception? (Or in the case of Objective C: when is it right for an init'er to return nil?) It seems to me that a constructor should fail -- and thus refuse to create an object -- if the object isn't complete. I.e., the constructor should have a cont...

 
11:06 AM
When it fails to properly initialize an object, obviously.
 
That's a nice taxonomy.
Many checked exceptions in the Java standard library are vexing exceptions. Do the math.
 
0
Q: Any java project to construct a tree and get path from leaf to leaf node?

Rajesh Any java project using which i can create a tree ? and Any API in that which helps me in giving various path from one leaf to other leaf? or how many leaf the tree has etc utility method?

Nobody has any sense of humor
 
Qt doesn't use exceptions, but I guess it's mostly for historical reasons.
http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qdomdocument.html#setContent
yeah checked exceptions in Java suck
 
@jalf Sorry to pick on you again - MSDN seems like a great place, it's trying to teach me all about coding in Windows 8! ... What it isn't doing is saying "Hi, this is the reference section telling you what functions are in what headers which are in which libraries" - Could you point me to the correct place on the MSDN site?
 
11:12 AM
@Graeme At the end of the each function's documentation, there's a table saying the header and dll and stuff.
 
... yeah, ok, i get that - Where do I find a functions documentation.
 
Hmm, search for its name?
 
It's not grouped by header, it's grouped by... well, group.
 
May be obvious once you know, but it aint exactly jumping out at me.
 
If you want socket functions, go to Winsock reference.
 
11:13 AM
@CatPlusPlus ODR for types is at most one definition per TU, not per program. Think about type definitions in headers.
 
>.< Which would be great if there was a "References" page I've found which contained a link to "Winsock References"
 
@LucDanton I know that. Didn't I write that?
Good lord, just use a search.
 
Did that - didn't help.
 
@CatPlusPlus I think my point of contention is 'what does it mean to have different types if they have the same names?' actually
 
Or else I wouldn't be asking, honest.
 
11:15 AM
> Winsock Reference - MSDN – Explore Windows, Web, Cloud, and ...
 
msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/… <- Is this what you're trying to point me to?
 
Oh look.
A reference.
In search results.
Amazing.
 
For a start your on a different site, which may be helping
 
No, I'm not.
Unless you're not on MSDN, in which case I just...
Don't know what to say.
I need moar water. :/
 
I just type "msdn FunctionName" into Google and it gimmes the hits.
 
11:17 AM
Interesting fact: you can find a sizable amount of documentation on IBM's support site, including documentation having nothing to do with software made by IBM.
 
right neil
they have a huge tutorial on hibernate i believe
 
0
Q: Decrypting files with Python

mcapI'm working on a Python written program which is meant to decrypt .axx files. Those files were encrypted using AxCrypt and a password, and I receive them through email. Nowadays y have to decrypt them manually one by one with AxCrypt. The idea is to automatise this task. I've been looking like a ...

 
@Greg I find that intreguing. I mean, not even sure I can really trust them or not
 
Lol at compressing the password.
 
trust no one
 
11:18 AM
@CatPlusPlus Ok, why don't you reel back your "Hah, I'm so smart, People who ask question must be dumb" and see people as human beings that don't know as much of you in this particular subject and are making an effort. I typed in "Winsock Reference" and was directed to a different set of results, on a different subdomain.
 
There's no other kind of Hibernate tutorial than "huge".
 
@Greg I would feel quite stupid to be stuck on a problem for hours because IBM documentation told me to do it that way.
 
@CatPlusPlus hehe, lol
 
Sorry that I have a set of expectations when it comes to programmers. And that searching for information is part of that.
 
I forgive you
 
11:20 AM
i find that i can search over an hour, and then as soon as I post my question, the next search i do reveals the answer.
 
And it's chat, it's our job to make fun of dumb questions.
 
that i will not argue with.
 
Exactly right - knowing where to search and in what format your answer is presented isn't god given knowledge - you had to learn it to at some point.
 
(I get the same results on "winsock reference", BTW.)
(And on Google on the exact same phrase.)
 
@Neil yes, i've also had that from company supplied documentation
 
11:22 AM
Weird how i get a different result url then isn't it? social.msdn.microsoft.com/search/en-US/windows/…
 
i am putting of impleneting this:
1
Q: How to close an entitymanager when used with Jackson and Jax-rs

GregI am using JPA (hibernate), JAX-RS (Jersey) and Jackson. How can I close my entity manager after my packet is built and sent? The following does not work and gives me an error. It appears to be calling em.close() before the response is completed. @GET @Produces(MediaType.APPLICATION_JSON) p...

 
@Graeme try googling the name of one of the functions you call. :)
 
And again the same results, just styled differently.
 
that should just give you the msdn documentation for the function
anyway, apart from all the mudflinging about who's smarter than who and who knows the most about how to find documentation, I find it pretty hard to imagine anyone writing Windows applications not knowing about MSDN.
 
@CatPlusPlus Luckily when i look at result, i scan the HTML filtering out all of the style information! :P The results are different, You're first result links to msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/… and mine is msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…
 
11:24 AM
My idea is that you can't be an excellent programmer without knowing that placing quotes around things you search in google search for the entire phrase as it is
Not because it makes you an excellent programmer but because you had to do it to get to where you are.
 
@Graeme It's the same thing.
First one: "Dev Center - Desktop > Learn > Reference > Networking > Windows Sockets 2". Second one: "Dev Center - Desktop > Learn > Reference > Networking > Windows Sockets 2 > Winsock Reference".
Just a level below.
 
@Graeme Then why not ask how properly search instead of grandstanding? What's is the latter achieving?
 
@jalf Thanks - I'm actually trying to get someone elses code to compile and run in my environment and the error message I'm getting "Missing Library", which is why you can see why going through each function would be a ball ache.
 
shit i should just install spring
 
@Graeme sure, but you won't have to, since most of them are defined in the same library :)
 
11:27 AM
0xCAFEBABE
 
it's what I do when I get such errors on Windows. Look up one of the functions it can't find, and see which library it's defined in. Most likely, that'll make most of the errors go away, as that library defines lots of other functinos too
 
0xDEADBEEF
 
I did ask how to search - I simply wanted a reference section I could navigate. I got met with @CatPlusPlus ego declaiming me as some sort of moron, assumedly because it makes him feel good to make others feel stupid. Either that or "Teaching me a lesson about asking introductory questions in his presence"
 
@Graeme I think that's your interpretation
at least, I didn't see him say any of that
 
11:28 AM
0xCABFADED
 
@jalf Thanks - was assuming I could simply find a resource saying "windows.h" header is entirely contained within a single library
 
Anyway, things to know about MSDN: (1) their own search is horribly broken, and (2) every function is documented on its own page, which Google indexes very nicely
 
windows.h is an aggregate header. It pulls dozens of others.
 
Hexspeak, like leetspeak, is a novelty form of variant English spelling. Hexspeak was created by programmers who wanted a magic number, a clear and unique identifier with which to mark memory or data. Using hexadecimal notation, which includes the digits 0123456789ABCDEF, it is possible to create small words with the digit "0" representing the letter "O", "1" representing the letters "I" or "L", "5" representing "S", "7" representing "T", and "6" or "9" representing "G" or "g" respectively. Numbers such as 2 or 8 can be used in a manner similar to leet or rebuses; e.g. the word "defecate" ...
 
thus, google the name of the function you need
 
11:30 AM
@jalf So true. :)
 
MSDN can be searched bottom-up. Start with the specific function, and then browse back to the more general pages if you need them
 
@jalf If Microsoft didn't have its own crappy search engine, you'd have already seen them implement a google search engine integrated a long time ago
 
trying to start at the general page (like the general Winsock overview) just leads to pain and misery
 
Didn't know either of those things - and those bits of information make a huge different to my understanding of not only what I need, but how to search for it. Thank you.
 
Bing is just a frontend to Google anyway.
 
11:31 AM
are you saying they gave up already?
 
@Neil well, that's the funny thing. Bing can find this stuff too. Just not if you use the search field from MSDN
 
I'm used to starting at a list of libraries and drilling down to functions rather than searching for a function and climbing up.
 
I can't use Bing to search. It's like brushing my teeth with soap.
Why use soap when I can use actual toothpaste?
 
@Graeme but even so, I think it's fair that people express a small amount of surprise at you not simply googling for the name of the function whose library you need to find :)
 
Now if only I had the information telling me at which function it's dying at then I could search for it...
@jalf Perhaps - wasn't the perspective I had.
 
11:34 AM
I use windows live to talk to my wife at work, and sometimes I'll click on one of the links on the "news" popup and it'll take me to a Bing search. Wtf is with that?
 
@Graeme so what error message do you get?
 
Why would I want to jump to a search page rather than the page itself?
 
TRWTF is Windows Live.
 
@CatPlusPlus TRWTF?
 
I was starting from "Can't find dependent libraries" error message and the knowledge that in unix i was loading libraries "ws2_32" and "win32" and now entering a windows arena with the same code and... well... "What libraries/dlls contain winsock / windows.h" seemed like reasonable questions :P
 
11:35 AM
@Neil The Real WTF.
WTF = Worse Than Failure, obviously.
 
Meh, it does what it's supposed to.
 
> For all those who still don't get leap years: every 4 years, except every 100 years, except every 400 years.
 
we should just make a big rocket and slow the earth down.
 
> So it's OK to be wrong, as long as you're consistently wrong, except when you're not, except when you might be, except when you're really really wrong (then classify it as a feature request).
 
Just wish they didn't have to promote Bing.. for once can I freakin' use a Microsoft product which doesn't try to promote its other products?
lunchtime
 
11:39 AM
mew its sleep time for me
but im stuck in stasis
i need to implement Open session in view
 
Woah, sudden dizzyness.
Note to self: keep head in the same position at all times.
 
@CatPlusPlus hot chocolate used to work for me. not so much after diabetes (sugar free gives no sugar rush). but maybe try it.
 
Check me out - I now know how to find a library on MSDN based on a function!
.... doesn't work.
 
@Graeme you googled?
 
Hah - check the link
 
11:52 AM
Meh, food is dumb necessity, not a pleasure.
 
0
Q: How to re-use the Windows "select users" dialog in program?

SimonLiuIs it possible to re-use the select user dialog in my own program? It is used in Windows to add a user account to a Group.

^ I was first to vote to close! <g>
 
Meat is a currency.
 
Meat is a fruit.
It is certainly not a vegetable.
 
Pizza is not a vegetable, either.
 
11:54 AM
So, pizza is a fruit.
6
 
Clearly.
 
Meat is awesome.
 

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