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8:03 PM
@Cicada Doesn't work
Loads library but GetProcAddress doesn't work
 
Why exactly do you want not to call DllMain btw
 
@Cicada Security reasons
 
std::bind2nd(pred, *first) copies the element, and std::bind2nd(pred, std::ref(*first)) fails to compile. (pred is std::less<iterator_type::value_type>)
 
I think you're bound to writing your own loader then
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you know what I'm overlooking?
 
8:05 PM
@MooingDuck The two simply were not designed together. Or more to the point, std::bind2nd is ill-designed. Don't use it.
 
@LucDanton oh, I thought it was shorthand for std::bind(pred, _2, whtaever it is)
 
@kbok It does in Python, doesn't it? :)
 
god web dev is so much harder than "real programming", everything is scattered all around :(
 
@MooingDuck No, it's one of the old deprecated binders.
 
8:11 PM
@LucDanton @R.MartinhoFernandes well, thanks then
 
@emartel It's so annoying!
 
the reason I hate web dev with a passion
 
@TonyTheLion Ah, that 70s show. Always meant to get it on DVD and then forgot about it.
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck Ew, deprecated binders.
 
8:13 PM
@Cicada validation server-side, validation client-side, jQuery for checks, CSS to make it look good, templating engine to try to make it multi-lingual... it sucks.
 
<--- cooks pasta; starts eating and notices it doesn't taste particularly great; realizes there is no sauce. Fuck.
 
lol
I would do something like that
 
You just had a Tony Momentâ„¢
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@R.MartinhoFernandes just add butter and salt, should be good enough :)
 
8:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hahahahaha
 
Xeo
Holy shit! (yes, this is a Minecraft map somebody designed)
 
Oh my.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@Xeo Where can I download that?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes minecraftforum.net/topic/…, apparently. Atleast I currently try to get it from there, but the link is dead it seems. :(
 
8:20 PM
@Xeo Not that impressive. You can just use an algorithm to convert any 3D mesh, I believe.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Eh... it's a CTM adventure map for you to play.
 
Another example of Source Engine usage of macros: gist.github.com/40034ec7ae9d688cefbc
 
sbi
Farmer denied permit to build horse shelter. So he builds giant table & chairs which don't need permit. — Shervin Pishevar
 
sbi
Good evening, folks.
 
Xeo
8:23 PM
@sbi Woah.
 
evening
 
sbi
(And good morning to @Luchian.)
 
@sbi I thought that was a piece of modern art or something?
 
@sbi It's not morning on the west coast anymore. :)
 
sbi
8:24 PM
@Cicada I think the headline is a fake. I dunno, though.
My first though was "he would never have gotten away with this in Germany". The other I asked the robot, after his first 4 weeks in Germany, which of the common stereotypes about Germans and Germany is true. He said that the only one he found to be true is that our bureaucracy is efficient. (I still didn't pay for his drinks, though.)
 
what the heck... my O(1) space overhead quicksort was designed to do a few more swaps and a lot more comparisons as a sacrifice. Turns out it uses ~30% more swaps, and 20% fewer comparisons. (It is immensly slower, which is expected)
 
which reminds me, I'm gonna go grab lunch
 
sbi
@Mysticial Right, just past noon. Sorry.
 
@sbi Well I saw that picture a long time ago, and it was filed under "modern art" or something related. So yeah the headline looks fake to me (sadly).
 
no wait, the quicksort always reports it's time as zero, that's not right
 
8:27 PM
@MooingDuck Scumbag quicksort.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes So within 8 weeks we made you a convert, huh?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes at least I validated sorting accuracy before timing this time. I think that's a first.
 
So I've never played Minecraft. What makes it so popular and presumably fun?
 
@sbi That's not quite what I said, but ok.
 
@Chimera guns
 
8:29 PM
@Chimera Don't ask the puppy.
 
@Chimera It is a realistic simulation of coal mining
 
sbi
@DeadMG I am amazed by your ability to blame your failures on others. I wish I was half as proficient at this as you are.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes What?
 
> bureaucracy
> efficient
you have managed to reunite opposites
 
keep practicing
then if you fail, you can blame me, because I told you to keep practicing and it didn't work
 
8:30 PM
@Chimera I don't know. Before I started playing it, I couldn't honestly understand what would be so great in it. Then I played. Eight hours later I realized I really needed to eat something.
 
@Chimera Well, you can stack cubes... and do... erm... stuff.
 
sbi
@DeadMG I am afraid I lack the mindset.
 
It's the exact same kind of fun as with LEGOs. But without the danger of stepping on a stray brick.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh I see....
 
@EtiennedeMartel But creepers.
 
8:31 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Meh, once you get a bow, they're no problem.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But peaceful. Problem solved :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Same happenned to me on Terraria. At first I was like "uh, okay, I'll give it a try". And then I played 80 hours on the first week.
 
sbi
@sehe Your edit here.
 
Do you run into environments created by others? Is it a unified universe?
 
@Chimera However, keep in mind that I played with a bunch of my friends on a server, so the multiplayer aspect was a plus.
 
Ell
8:31 PM
Minecraft is like Lego + optional anti gravity, and also circuits n kewl st00f
 
I tried playing alone, but I got bored quickly.
 
@Chimera you can build whatever you want
 
Ell
It's not massively online, buy you can go on a server
 
@Chimera Well, you run into massive holes in the ground which lead to the void... That's fun, right? :P
 
Ell
Alone is still fun imho
 
8:32 PM
@Chimera there's multiplayer servers and also standard singleplayer. Make as many worlds as you want.
 
@MooingDuck Can others destroy what you build?
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, don't get me started. Some of those Lego bricks area real bugger when you're barefoot walking into the kids' room in the middle of the night to close the window. On more than one occasion I have howled like a mortally wounded wolf.
 
@Chimera yes
 
@Chimera Yes, but mods solve this.
 
8:33 PM
@seandewar5 "mods"?
 
Ell
They can, but in servers admins can choose what players can or can't destory
 
Ell
Yeah, game mods like "worldguard"
 
mods = moderators?
 
@Chimera Well, there are two meanings to that. There are modifications which you can get to solve that, and there are moderators/administrators.
 
Ell
8:34 PM
Mods = game modifications
 
@seandewar5 Ok, I was wondering if it was both or one of them.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes So if not that, what do you believe you did say? (Might I remind you that you were into your second glass of gin tonic by then?)
 
@Chimera In the way I said it, I meant both. I did that completely deliberately, right? :P
 
Hi @sbi
@seandewar5 Yeah it was perfectly clear... I was just confused. :-)
 
Since when did my comment become the room topic?
 
8:36 PM
@Chimera Alright. :)
 
@Mysticial You are like GOD to us. What did you expect?
 
@sbi Erm. Not quite sure.
Also, second glass that you did not pay.
 
@Chimera Um no...
 
sbi
@Cicada I didn't know that, but I hadn't needed to. I had my very bitter moments.
But looking at that picture, you can see that it's all wrong. I would much rather walk barefoot over a box of Lego than unexpectedly tread onto a single 1x2 brick that's lying diagonally, burying its razor-sharp corner deeply into the soft arch of your foot.
 
@sbi did you plonk me?
 
8:38 PM
Gotta perform blood sacrifices to our GOD
 
sbi
@Chimera Lo Chimera.
 
sbi
@Chimera I can only write one message at a time.
 
Xeo
@sbi Efficient?!
 
my every day :P
 
8:38 PM
@sbi Just making sure... :-)
 
@TonyTheLion On which end of the tail are you?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, then you'd better shut up and believe what i remember.
 
I'm the front one
 
sbi
@Xeo That's what she he said.
 
8:39 PM
@sbi Please tell me he has an awful Portuguese accent.
 
sbi
@Cicada I can assure you he's not a tassle, so he's got to be at the upper end of the tail.
 
I know this is a C++ room so I think I know what the answer is going to be but I will ask anyway. I've been largely a C embedded developer with a little bit of experience writing Windows Apps in VB6, C# and MFC in C. I want to get away from embedded and start working primarily as a windows developer. Should I concentrate more on C# or C++?
 
Xeo
But really @R.MartinhoFernandes, you sure need to improve your alcohol tolerance if you plan to stick with @sbi for the next years.
 
sbi
@Cicada he speaks excellent English with a very slight accent that I wouldn't have known to put down as Portuguese.
 
@Cicada You must think I really love guns?
 
8:40 PM
@Chimera There's plenty of market in both.
 
@Chimera Depends what you want to do
 
@Cicada Even if I had, an awful Portuguese accent cannot possibly be worse than a medium French accent.
 
@Cicada What types of work do you get when you know C++ as opposed to C#?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That statement is always true, you know. It's pointless comparing an accent to the french one.
 
8:41 PM
@Chimera In C++ I tend to shit myself. In C# I actually do useful stuff.
 
@Chimera I tend to get segmentation faults, but hey, that's just because I suck. :(
 
Fuck you chat. If I want to repeat my last message, I will repeat my last message.
 
@Cicada Are certain industries more likely to use one language over the other?
 
@Cicada Yeah, but if I recall, your idea of C++ was about a billion miles away from actual C++.
 
8:43 PM
alright, that one test was a fluke, my O(1) overhead quicksort variant uses 2x as many comparisons, 50% more swaps, but while sorting ints it seems to be ever so slightly faster than my normal quicksort baseline.
 
I wonder what the googles would say
 
@Chimera Yeah. "Generally speaking" small industries go for C# because it's fast to develop. C++ is used mainly where performance is needed, really.
 
And what the query would be to get the google to provide a good answer
 
You can't type twice the same thing?
 
@kbok nope
 
8:43 PM
@Cicada Ok that makes sense.
 
Fuck you chat. If I want to repeat my last message, I will repeat my last message.
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@DeadMG The closer I get to "actual C++", the faster I want to run away from it. But yeah, no, I don't actually do "actual C++" as you mean it.
 
funny
I'm throttled :(
 
@Chimera Also legacy code bases in C++, ofc.
 
though I probably shouldn't be timing whilst compiling another project.
 
8:46 PM
@Cicada Ok and I presume that in many cases applications use both C++ and C# ( managed )?
 
Last day tomorrow. My boss said I can come back anytime :)
 
@kbok Did you tell him what you thought? (i.e. "In your dreams!")
 
@Chimera Yes. C# for in-house tool development, C++ for the core app (in the case of video game industry for example)
@kbok Did you fart in his face
 
@Cicada If someone farted in my face, I wouldn't want them to come back for a while...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually if I need a bunch of money I could still come back
 
8:47 PM
@Cicada In house tool development is something I think I'd enjoy doing.
 
@Chimera By "in house" I mean developing tools for your own company, not staying at home lol
 
Been creating one in C# for my current job for a year now.
 
I said to him previously that I don't to work in the company that created their shitty language
 
@Chimera in house tools means working with whiny artists all the time :P
 
8:48 PM
@Cicada lol yes.
 
@Cicada you don't need performance for tools?
 
@emartel I don't think I'd end up working for a game studio.
 
How do you fart on someone's face anyway, you've got to be very tall
 
@Abyx Not too much, a fast workflow is more important
@kbok I'd explain but this is going to be awkward.
 
8:49 PM
Not that it would be a problem
 
@kbok When you're a kid running around a subway station, you mostly see people's asses.
 
@Cicada then it's easier to use a Python or something like that
 
Yeah, but my boss isn't a kid nor a midget
 
@Abyx They use python too, for scripting.
 
sbi
@Cicada Don't be shy, Chirpie, we all knew anyway you're a pervert.
 
8:50 PM
Chirpie?
 
@Cicada "they"?
 
@Abyx Them who shall not be named
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes What insect sounds do you mostly hear during the night?
 
@Abyx Get your tinfoil hat.
@sbi None.
 
@kbok More like bosses turn you into the kid or midget. :D
 
8:51 PM
@Cicada nevermind...
 
@sbi mosquitoes
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not while you're nopping, you stupid machine!
 
well there are MANY different types of tools developed in house in the games industry... from exporters to UIs to webtools, so yeah, each task has a better tool
 
sbi
@kbok You live in the wrong country.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't need it
 
8:52 PM
@sbi I know that already
 
@kbok Will you be at R&S this year again btw?
 
this year? I thought it was in August or something
 
It's in may usually.
 
I've got a large 200mm case fan powered from my motherboard ( one of the fan power connectors ). The fan doesn't seem to spin many RPM's. Would it generate more RPM's if connected directly to the power supply with one of the adaptors?
 
Well, I may then.
ba dum tss
 
8:55 PM
I wonder if this will help save THQ :P humblebundle.com
 
sbi
@Chimera For a very short period, it will be really fast if you connect it straight to the wall socket.
 
@DeadMG How is the job hunt coming along?
@sbi lol
 
it's going OK actually
 
contacting someone about a job tomorrow
 
8:55 PM
@DeadMG What is it
 
@DeadMG excellent! Very good to hear.
 
@sbi or would is just oscillate really fast?
 
@Chimera Did you change the RPM settings in your BIOS maybe
 
@Chimera some of them are controlled by the PC, to control how fast they turn, that's probably why yours go slow
 
sbi
8:56 PM
@Cicada To me, real modern C++ seems much tighter, both syntactically and semantically, than C#. Of course, the abstractions all leak (just pass an input iterator to std::sort(), and all hell breaks lose), but there's always a price to pay for working with a razor-sharp tool.
 
@Cicada I actually may go. I have some friends there and it will be an opportunity to see them.
 
@Cicada I don't think so, but I will check when I get home.
 
@Chimera The big ones usually do spin slower, so they push the same amount of air, but are quieter
 
@Collin Yeah, that may be the case... THis new case uses the large 200mm fans and it's MUCH quieter than my old case that had smaller fans.
 
I wonder if at some point all the resources of the tech industry will be spent solely into creating patents and suing other companies.
 
8:58 PM
@Chimera I would imagine though you could play with the PWM controller on the motherboard? (maybe)
 
@kbok Probably not in Europe where we actually have sane software patent laws.
 
sbi
@Collin With a... what's it, 6V? fan motor connected to 110/240V, there's no time for it to oscillate (i.e., going back and forth). It will make a single, very short, and very fast move, and die. If you're lucky, it won't shower the room with dozens of pieces flying at a very high velocity.
 
This is clearly not the kind of dystopian society SF writers expected.
 
@kbok Have you read Stross?
 
@Cicada Where generally we aren't as crazy regarding laws and lawsuits
 
8:59 PM
@sbi that's probably true
 
@Collin Yeah, it's an ASUS motherboard so it has that AI suite software.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No?
 
sbi
@kbok You need to do that, then. ASAP.
 

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