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5:00 AM
but anyway. yeah enough about that
I have to go soon anyway. and this is not really the right place to be discussing these kinds of topics
 
True.
to this being the wrong place, nothing more :P
 
i mean not that it's wrong to discuss them.. but admittedly they turn into very lenghty conversations and kinda discourages other users from participating
 
Agreed
 
so yeah.
 
I'm voting with my feet and moving back to Aus in a few weeks :P
 
5:02 AM
@JordanRichards exactly. but...moving on
 
(not that I could vote anyway :P )
 
haha
I would like to visit sydney one day
then I would take Oceanic airlines :P and hopefully end up on the island
 
Go to Melbourne, it's much more fun.
 
I've heard great things about Melbourne but isn't on the complete opposite side of Aus?
also one thing that scares me about the outback is the freakish amount of animals and insects out there.. namely arachnids :S
do you guys agree with the idea that Designers should be the ones who develop the front-end stuff like HTML/CSS? I always felt like that was a bad idea. every designer I've known totally sucked at that
 
Melbourne's an hour's flight from Sydney. Pretty much everything work seeing is on the east coast.
The animals that can kill you are anti-social, and unless you really really piss em off they'll typically leave you alone
And yes, I agree, unfortunately, on both counts. Designers should know HTML/CSS, but they do seem to typically suck at it
 
5:12 AM
Um
My message is 2 long
Spe mint a while typing it on my iPod, how do I post long messages??
 
CSS is so different to real programming languages, but there's also an art to using it well. It's kinda unfortunate that developers get stuck having to devote their time to doing so much that could be done by someone who actually designed the site...
I personally enjoy writing CSS, but I'm certainly no expert, and I imagine that someone with the creative flare that I'd like to think is typical to most designers would come up with some really cool/alternative/new ways of styling. But, alas, a lot of designers don't wanna 'write any code' :(
"FTP Timeout..." What? No!
My hosting service is down :S
 
@monners exactly. there really is an art to it despite the fact that it's not actual programming
ugh bummer
@monners how sad is this: last night my internet went down. I realized there was literally nothing else to do so I just went to bed
LOL
 
@mmmshuddup Especially with the new transition/animation stuff!
 
Jesus christ died for you all, he payed for your sin so that you are free. Yes you can ignore me of whatever but there is proof of this and I have witnessed it for myself. Men, young men , adults, old people or whatever,
 
yeah the CSS3 stuff has gotten far too advanced for just any ol' designer to bust out
 
5:21 AM
LOL. I lost power to my house for two days. Ended up just staying on campus until it was time to sleep.
 
I mean if this is really the so-called responsibility of the designer then they really need to update their curriculums and start getting formally trained in CSS and stuff
that my opinion
@monners haha that's what I would have done too
 
I don't want you to miss out on the greatest
 
:)
@JordanRichards you're gonna be so tired tomorrow hahaha
 
If ever there were a skill set that'd be useless in a survival situation, it's ours :P
 
LOL I've been thinking a lot about that lately
ever since that show Revolution came out. I'm like man if that ever happens I'm effed!
haha
 
5:24 AM
Without the internet I'd be screwed. What am I gonna do, shine shoes?
 
haha exactly!
 
relationship in the world!!! Yes I am only 15, yes it is wierd but so is hope, if hope is wierd then does that mean you shouldn't have
 
at least like engineers and doctors and stuff could still contribute (depending on the kind of engineer of course but you get my drift)
 
@JordanRichards The premise of your question is flawed
@mmmshuddup LOL, Software Engineer
 
hope, no! And hope is something that goes away, Jesus is always there through the thick and thin, men I say this to you to day humbly typing away on a fail apple iPod
 
5:25 AM
LOL touche
 
@JordanRichards Not the place dude.
 
@JordanRichards you're on an iPod? I didn't catch that
 
keyboard, men YOU HAVE AALL BEEN LIED TO, evolution is a lie, soon they 'll be turning to aliens just watch in a few ears time!!!! Ah well I've made some good of this opportunity, men time is thin, Jesus is coming back soon, oh dear ones please listen I don't Want to see you great talented people go to hell! You were all bought at a price, you all have a purpose, think I'm dumb??
Well you go believe in aliens, you came from apes and that you have no purpose - like that, what a lie has been told to you. Rebell against the lies of evolution my friends, ok this is getting long and my fingers are getting tired because it's 5 am. Just remember - Life changes, you change, Jesus never does, he loves you all, just accept him as your saviour. Goodnight/good morning from a 15 yr old boy that found the truth and is desperate to share it.
 
What the fuck...
 
Read through all the text i posted from 5 am onwards
Just typed all that up on my ipod
 
5:27 AM
dude I totally respect what you're saying but chill out a bit
 
@JordanRichards I'm an atheist, a homosexual, and an Australian. Not the kinda person that's particularly receptive to the name "Jesus"
 
it's one thing to share something you're excited about - relevant or not - and it's another thing to type up a whole book about it haha
@monners umm... I don't see what Australian has to do with anything but okay... lol
 
We're not a very religious people :P
 
mmm you've been lied to
 
5:28 AM
oh. guess I didn't know that
 
It's not about me being right
 
I believe in Jesus Christ but dude you should chill out a bit
 
But you cool people hearing the truth
 
you're spamming us!
haha
 
Sorry
Straight from my heart
 
5:29 AM
Make it stop! assumes fetal position
 
LOL
 
Anyway I'll leave you people get on, I better get some sleep
 
yeah man you're gonna be dead tired tomorrow!
 
lol, I've spent the last four hours watching the final table of this years WSOP Main Event
 
Just please please please think about what I said
Men, I was once an atheist till I found proof
 
5:31 AM
@JordanRichards Go to bed before you say something you regret
 
I can't watch poker on TV. I would fall asleep. yet for some reason I enjoy watching billiards
 
I could watch billiards all day, especially snooker
 
monners I say this every day
I'm someone who used to have a life
 
@JordanRichards still, you should strongly consider reconsidering your approach
 
Now I'm in a wheelchair
 
5:32 AM
Ok, that's it. Mute.
 
Jesus is all I have that makes me want to live
 
That's better.
 
Just hear me out dude
Afraid of the truth?
 
@mmmshuddup You play?
 
@JordanRichards I already believe though. And @monners muted you (which means he will no longer see your messages)
 
5:33 AM
The demons belive though
You see I'm not religious
 
@JordanRichards So from here on out, I will be the only one who reads your messages. thus defeating the purpose
 
I hate religion
 
@monners poker no, pool yes!
i love pool. and I'm fairly decent at it too! (not great though)
 
Me too. Used to play for my college.
 
Religion is just a show
 
5:34 AM
wow
so can you do masse and all that too?
@JordanRichards indeed
 
Yeah, but not like 3-ball guys. that stuffs crazy!
 
for real
 
A relationship with someone who died for you is what's a big deal, what's real, what makes me live knowing that I have a pupose
 
@JordanRichards yes, I agree. but again..you're preaching to the choir here... you are familiar with that phrase, aye?
 
There were some guys at my school that were damn-near unbeatable
 
5:35 AM
I need to get to sleep now anyway
 
yeah that's how my bro is. if he breaks it's basically game over ¬¬
haha
 
Jerry Yang. There's a name you'll see on the pro circuit some time soon. Best nine-ball player I've met.
 
I just hope you guys find Jesus, before it's too late
 
@JordanRichards ok well have a good night
 
You've heard the truth ignore it or believe it
Good night/ morning :)
 
5:36 AM
lol, it's so disheartening. they break, they run, they break again. Rinse and repeat
 
God bless
 
@monners LOL exactly ¬¬
and you're just sitting there like "u.u is it friday yet?" haha
 
In tourneys it's the worst. you wait three hours for your match to come up, lose the lag, then suddenly your three frames behind without even taking a shot :P
 
@monners plus then like that you can never practice! I mean you get one turn every 10 minutes. meanwhile the other guy is getting practice the whole time you can't even get warmed up lol
@JordanRichards God bless you too!
 
Yeah, that's why ya practice alone :P then you get to be that guy :P
 
5:39 AM
@monners sadly I don't know many of the current big dogs in Pool. I watched more avidly in the past
 
@mmmshuddup ditto
 
@monners lol yes yes. I used to practice when I had a pool table in my apt but now I don't :(
 
Reyese, Strickland, O'Sullivan
 
I miss that!
dude you know what really gets me though? losing to someone with terrible technique
 
Had to sell my table a week ago for the move back to Aus. Not gonna lie, I almost cried o.o
 
5:40 AM
that happened to a friend and I when we were playing 2vs2 once
we both had solid technique and we played by official rules and everything. always chalking up before every shot. taking our time and not hitting the ball too hard as most novices do. yet we sitll lost to these total jokers haha
 
lol, I know! You're just sat there thinking "That's your bridge? Seriously?... Wait, what? You made that shot?!?!"
 
we were both in a bad mood after that LOL
@monners YEAH!!!! ughhhhh haha
needless to say I was irate haha
 
I hate it when you're out of practice. Sucks because you remember being able to make shots, it's just not working...
 
i know right
it's crazy how that owrks!
 
Ever play snooker?
 
5:43 AM
but unlike riding a bike, pool requires a ton of precision
no I haven't
never heard of it in fact
my games are the standard 8 ball and 9 ball. 8 ball is my preferred game when paying actual money to play lol as you get more time to play.. i mean the games usually last a bit longer.
 
Bigger table (12 foot), smaller balls, smaller rounded pockets. It's like billiards on expert mode
 
plus with good players it's way too easy to for themt o run the table if you're playing 9 ball. i mean heck they can finish in one or two shots if they combo-shoot/sink the 9 ball
 
8 ball's a great hustling game. Lotsa strategy.
 
@monners whoa crazy. is that an Aussie thing?
 
British thing.
Ronnie "The Rocket" O'Sullivan. Best player in the world imo.
 
5:46 AM
whoa disturbing :O
lol this game intimidates me! :S
 
Big money in snooker too. If you can score a 147 break at the world championships, which is the equivalent of breaking and running about ten times in a row, you win 147 thousand pounds
 
Ronnie's done it twice
 
what a freak
lol
 
And fast too. He's a freak.
 
5:47 AM
I gotta tell my bro about this one
he'll get a kick out of this.. i bet he'd like it too.
@monners I gotta get to work though bro.. I only planned on chatting here for like 20 minutes and that quickly turned into a couple hours u.u
nice chatting though!
:D
 
Different game though. it requires more precision, but it's less of a personal battle like 9-ball where you're playing safeties and trying to cause your opponent pain.
No worries.
 
we shall discuss pool later :)
 
Sounds good. Peace dude.
 
it's pretty much my favorite game besides a couple of sports
like hockey and such
yeah! peace!
 
Hockey!
lol. Go, quick!
 
5:49 AM
you're a fan?
 
Fuck yeah!
 
lol eff!
ok now I better leave or i'm screwed
LOL to be continued...!
:D later mate
 
ciao
 
I'm on my phone now lol
Temporarily of course while I finish my smoke
I was curious how this chat would be on a mobile device... It's ok I guess but I had to access the full site to get hete
 
@mmmshuddup Ha! More support for the mobile-first argument :P
 
6:03 AM
@monners haha pfffff what ever :P
anyway I'm gonna head out now. take care!
ciao
 
@mmmshuddup You too. Peace.
 
6:27 AM
hey all, Is it possible to set value to s:iterator through javascript ?
 
6:38 AM
s:iterator?
What is that?
 
@monners struts2 tag
 
Ah, ok. No idea. Sorry.
If it's server-side then no, I don't think you could.
@Brittas If that's a tag for the apache server then you're not going to be able to touch it with client-side javascript
 
7:04 AM
Anyone alive in here?
 
The real question is, is anyone alive anywhere? Or is everything just in your head?
 
To quote Descartes, "I think therefore I am." By that definition either of the choices you've given will answer my question in the affirmative.
Assuming of course that existence is indicative of aliveness.
 
Descartes is fun
 
Drove himself insane trying to figure out whether he actually existed :P
 
Hahaha
 
7:09 AM
He actually came up with that as his understanding of a philosophical absolute.
According to him, everything else was metaphysically inconclusive :P
 
Well, isn't it?
 
Depends. Can one determine with absolute certainty that thinking is a prerequisite for being?
 
Nope
It's all too vague
 
Yep, best leave philosophy to the intellectuals :P
 
We don't have a strict definition of what is considered "alive" either
 
7:14 AM
Actually we do...
 
Couldn't a computer, that displays emotions and the like, considered to be alive?
 
Not in the biological sense.
 
It's just like us, full of complex connections
"Feeling" is still just chemicals
 
It's a flawed definition regardless of its application. It's really just a convenient descriptor for biologists (one that fails to include viruses as technically living)
 
Wow
@monners Hmm, that's a better way to frame it
 
7:18 AM
4000+ lines of code?? o.O
"Hi. Would you mind proof-reading my website's content? It's wikipedia.org Thanks!"
 
// new averaging system
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float x;
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float xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
float xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
float xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
float xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
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float xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
 
I don't get it...
Explain.
 
hello JS people
 
That's part of his code
 
that looks perfectly scaleable...
@TemporaryNickName Ahoy hoy
 
7:20 AM
Hahahaha
 
guys, would using MVC framework suitable for building HTML5 games?
 
@TemporaryNickName Umm, yes.
@TemporaryNickName but unless your game requires page changes, I don't really see how your backend structure matters. I'm assuming you're thinking about using canvas for the actual game?
 
@monners yes, primarily based on canvas.
 
@TemporaryNickName then whether or not you use MVC shouldn't matter
 
@monners i've been using MVC patterns only for web development or other desktop apps, I just don't get how MVC can fit in game development
 
7:26 AM
!!/tell TemporaryNickName google MVC games
 
@TemporaryNickName I'm not hugely familiar with how writing code for canvas works
 
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@AmaanCheval Denied!
 
I think there were too many results
 
lol
you broke Google
 
7:27 AM
Server error (status 500) occured
 
Hahaha, no, it's just SO not allowing messages longer than a certain length
I don't know if it'd be practical to do this for Web Games, but I've never used an MVC framework
 
@TemporaryNickName My apologies, I thought you were asking about MVC structures for webpages.
@AmaanCheval Then what do you use?
 
I don't know what exactly the MVC framework is
But I think it's quite similar
 
Just a way of separating code into categories so you don't have a whole bunch of functions mixed with controllers and markup
 
@people i have never used js MVC framework like backbone, but would controller from these framework support user to jump around between different scenes of game? like winning page -> losing page
 
7:30 AM
Yeah, separation of concerns, but I don't do it strictly in the MVC way
 
@TemporaryNickName Yeah, assuming you used it that way. MVC is just a technique for organizing your code.
 
yeah, i agree
 
Would probably depend on the complexity of your game as well. Might be overkill for something relatively simple. Plus I don't know how you'd go about using data from exterior scripts easily...
Short answer. I don't know, probably but probably not necessary
 
@AmaanCheval MVC is more of a pattern then framework :)
@AmaanCheval MVC, Model, View, Control. Seperates all these into (in java using different packages for each). It helps making the code easily maintainable. Because no matter what if you wan't to alter either a buisness procedure(model) or a visual interface(view) then you will only have to alter one place, and not having to going into the model to change which view you were targeting.
 
@AndersMetnik thx
 
7:39 AM
What @AndersMetnik said
 
your welcome :)
 
sorry for asking so many questions but I want some clear definition on this. What are jquery and prototype? I went on the prototype js website and saw some demo and it looked like it was a framework for making OO happen in JS, is this correct?
 
JS is OO
afaik understand the definitions of jQuery and Prototype then it is basicly frameworks to do dom manipulation :)
 
jQuery is a js library. prototype is part of defining function/method inheritance of js constructor functions
 
7:43 AM
@monners thx, but i'm talking about prototypejs.org
 
Oh, then they're both js libraries
At least prototypejs looks like it's a js library
 
okay js libraries to do dom manipulation then ;)
 
both of them looks quite similar to their features
 
Among other things...
 
They are very similar @TemporaryNickName have worked with the both of them. jQuery is more advanced now imo.
 
7:45 AM
jQuery doesn't just handle DOM manipulation.
 
Agreed, but it's what its main purpose is/has been
 
Agreed
I <3 jQuery
 
jquery also supports highlevel development for ajax as well right?
 
@monners WHAT?
 
@AndersMetnik Right, thanks. Couldn't come up with the right word for it
 
7:47 AM
You know you'Re really not in the right place to say that?
 
i love javascript guys =) just saying,
 
@dievardump You talking to me?
 
@AmaanCheval No worries I might not be the best programmer, but i should have the patterns under control :P
 
@monners Yes
 
@dievardump I'd assume he is in the right place to say that he loves what ever he loves.
 
7:51 AM
@AmaanCheval Did you just follow me on twitter? o.O
 
@monners Yeah
 
I'm honored
 
Are you creeped out now? :p
 
Should I be? :P
 
7:51 AM
Don't be (honoured). I follow way too many people
 
@AndersMetnik I'd assume that you're since enough time to know what I meant.
 
I only tweet links to interesting tech/design articles
 
guys, can i show off my php application that i'm currently working on to you guys later on?
 
Only if I can eat your family pets in order from smallest to largest
 
@dievardump the what what now? :) Afaik this rooms has nothing against jQuery but everything against jQuery UI :)
@TemporaryNickName You can always link it and ask what people think :)
 
7:54 AM
That's not what I saw the past 10 months but if you say so.
 
But Don't be mad if no one takes a look
 
@AndersMetnik dievardump is on a personal crusade to convince people that jQuery is the scourge of js
 
@AndersMetnik cool, thx bud.
 
@monners Sorry?
 
@monners It is :p
 
7:54 AM
@dievardump Thanks for proving my point
 
@monners How did I prove anything by asking "Sorry?" ?
 
Hehe I didn't understand that one neither :P
 
@dievardump Sorry, read the name wrong
Got you an Amaan mixed up
 
whats wrong with this
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Q: Duplicate buttons in Update Panel and JavaScript Hack

yaronIn reference to my question, Page.Unload Event inside a Update Panel I am able to make it work but I got two buttons that do partial post back and then in my script I can do what I want, but I want it to work for just one button not two of them, best thing is button I want to make this request ...

 
But I can see where you're coming from. Too many questions like "How do I add two numbers together using jQuery?"
 
7:57 AM
@monners Exactly
 
Isn't there a rule against posting a link to your question 5 seconds after entering the room?
 
@monners Is there?
 
@AmaanCheval Is there not?
Maybe it's like farting on elevators. Not illegal, but definitely frowned upon.
 
Haven't read it anywhere.
Hah, yeah, probably
 

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