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4:00 AM
@SomeKittens do you really use Node.js a lot?
 
Yes, but only for a short time. I've been using it for less than a month
 
Is it simple?
 
As simple as javascript
 
@monners Please quit spamming a pay site that isn't worth it
 
4:01 AM
Moments u have 2 pay for tutsplus
Gag stupid auto coorect
 
Fine. Sorry. Was only trying to help.
 
Auto correct never works when you want it to
Apple y u do this lol
 
@monners inexcusable haha
 
Kittens nice links :)
Gonna be a struggle for me though
They don't even scrape close to web dev in school
 
what are some good [professsional] sites that use node? I've seen examples before but they kinda sucked
 
4:04 AM
Nodeidea.com
 
LinkedIn Mobile
 
@JordanRichards What are you studying?
 
yeah I don't use social net sites. they all forward to localhost anyway
haha
 
In schl?
Or myself!
 
server not found for nodeidea.com
 
4:06 AM
Lol it was a joke noidea.com
 
oh haha
 
You asked for good examples
 
I asked for egg samples
 
I hade NO de IDEA
Lol
 
4:07 AM
Tasty poop, good grapes and some cool beans
What a lunch
 
nice. sounds delish
 
I'm full
It's 4 am >_>
Parents gonna go mad at me
 
yeah it's late here as well
 
I'm 15
 
I wish I had food
 
4:08 AM
Lol
Urm anyway
I came here because I was curious
 
@JordanRichards School.
 
Why out it??
 
?
o.O
 
What about it**
 
He's in high school
not college
 
4:10 AM
Stupid auto colorectal again
 
What are you studying? You said 'they don't teach web dev...'
@SomeKittens Oh. Ok.
@JordanRichards Nevermind then.
 
Ah yes, Mathis... English... School lol
 
fun
 
yeah I was being sarcastic
 
4:11 AM
Nothing like a good ol ' day of coding
:D
Um one more question, and don't b sarcastic I'm tired, so it's unfair to b
Lol
Ok.. So here's my question
 
Me? I'm never sarcastic
 
I was referring to mmm
I have a VPS server, do you think it's * safe * to use real time tech on it?
Like.. It's not gonna crash the serv
Is it?
 
I'm not IT sorry. I understand that some programmers are very IT savvy but not me
 
Ur not.. ??? Wait wut
O
 
I'm just a programmer.. that doesn't mean I'm good at that kinda stuff
 
4:15 AM
@JordanRichards Is it your server or a service you use?
 
that kinda stuff has always bored me
 
@mmmshuddup So you're not a Terminal ninja? O.O
 
My server, you know • rental
It's vps
 
@monners I use bash a lot but only because I have to. it's better than a GUI for a few things but hoenstly I would rather use a nice GUI
 
Shouldn't be an issue unless you're using incredibly low end stuff
@mmmshuddup Terminal > GUI 9 times out of 10
 
4:17 AM
Lol ok, should b fine then
:)
 
@SomeKittens That.
 
@SomeKittens why do you say that?
 
Hhheeeey guys
Iiiits tuesday
Minus one day
 
@mmmshuddup It's so much faster
 
4:18 AM
yeah I'll give you that
 
@SomeKittens Pain in the ass to learn though...
 
And easier to get the tool you want
@monners It's not that bad
 
ok now that's debatable
 
Ruby is for jewel theifs
 
I think it's much easier to use proprietary software for a lot of stuff rather than CLI tools
 
4:19 AM
Python is for animal control
And php is for personal use
 
but I mean that's me
 
@SomeKittens I came from ZERO linux/unix experience. Had to spend hours just figuring out how to get around, nevermind actually doing anything useful
 
same here
 
Ummmm
Heeey
 
I'm not a super user though if that's the right word
 
4:20 AM
Mmm hey
Oh ok so u do...?
 
I ask for help on installing Java on linux for example. but I can write cool programs :)
 
Ah right
 
@monners Learning curve's steep at first, but flattens out quickly
 
All makes Seneca now
So how long has that been??
Oh ok
That's neat :)
So what about..
Urm nAh
 
ok maybe I was exaggerating about Java
 
4:21 AM
You DO?
 
but I mean I tried to install XPlanner on an RHEL 4 server once and failed
 
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Q: Emulate jQuery's AjaxStart and AjaxEnd for native javascript

jsoldiThis is a javascript code that will be injected into every page a .NET WebBrowser component navigates to. This means the code needs to be compatible with IE 7+ only. The code will be injected and run when the OnNavigateComplete event happens, which means it will run before any other script in the...

 
it was too much for me
 
Soo u quit the chic factory?
 
whereas if I were a true CLI ninja I could have probably done it
 
4:22 AM
Chocolate
Chocolate cli
:)
Ummmmmmmmmn I have a question
 
I tried for hours to install a local instance of MySQL on my remote server. Just couldn't get it to work... Tech support was, errr, less than helpful
 
Lol remote!??
 
idk.. I honestly feel like some people want to live this persona of being a programmer. they think that they MUST be 100% geek in all things computer-related. I disagree
I am a decent programmer and that's all I care about :)
 
What do you mean. By remote??
 
Same here. See above math conversation
 
4:23 AM
@mmmshuddup We call those people Losers
 
I don't follow tech stuff like new phones and new devices and who has the fastest processor and crap like that
I hate that stuff
@SomeKittens LOL touche
 
Good grapes
 
:)
brb (smoke)
 
Tasty poop
Anyway
 
I believe in "T" training. I'm especially good at one thing (programming) but competent in other areas (server admin, databases, management, front end design)
 
4:24 AM
Nice me too
 
I follow new tech a fair bit, but more out of interest in the industry. Never been much of a whore for tech specs unless they're really fringe
 
:)
Um do u use FHDDGT?
Wait no
 
???
 
Do u use Urpdawg?
"what is Urpdawg"
Nmuu??
 
I read HN mainly
 
4:26 AM
Lolol
 
@JordanRichards please grow up.
 
How?
I'm not the kitten here...
Grandma
Lolol
 
@JordanRichards the updawg joke only works if the other person asks what it is :P
 
Uhm why did tha rooster cross tha rode??
 
@SomeKittens exactly! I couldn't agree more with that
 
4:29 AM
To give tha chicken a daaay ooooid
Off"
 
I believe it's better to try to be an expert in one area while remaining - as you said - competent in other relevant areas
 
tinyAvatars++;
 
I manage our linux servers but I am by no means a SysAdmin, you know?
 
Exactly.
 
I agree
Bats are terrible when it comes to compiling bugs
 
4:30 AM
same with db. I can do all the queries I need.. and I even use mysqltuner.pl haha
but complex queries are definitely not my forté
 
U don't use MySQL_ functions tho.. Right?
 
@mmmshuddup So then how about UI/UX experts? Don't you think they should be at the very least above-average in design and development? I mean, they're the ones that dictate the direction of both departments...
 
Monbers no
 
yeah I do. and most of my queries are like mysql_query("SELECT * FROM users WHERE id = {$_GET['id']}");
 
Oh dear!!!!
 
4:32 AM
@monners UX? and yeah i suppose so
 
@JordanRichards How are they gonna have a meaningful conversation with members of their team if they can't understand the challenges in those areas?
 
Mysql_ functions are depreciated read the manual
 
@mmmshuddup Ooh, bad practice
 
@mmmshuddup User Experience
 
@monners Yes, absolutely
 
4:32 AM
@SomeKittens I was joking :P
@monners ahhh. yeah totally. I mean that is their field so naturally they should be good at it. and they should also be competent in the areas of the back-end stuff
 
U use pee wee ooh?
PDO**
 
tis why I'm here at least. user experience is what I'm interested in, but I can't see how anyone could do anything groundbreaking without a decent understanding of the technologies involved. Plus, you can't really get up one morning, say "I'm a UX expert" and expect to get hired :P
 
indirectly yes. I use Zend_Db (or Zend\Db with the new version) which is a wrapper to PDO and uses prepared statements
 
@mmmshuddup Ah, ok. You're forgiven
 
Us guys be surprised how bad schools are at ict
Vbad
 
4:34 AM
ict?
@JordanRichards STOP WITH THE ACRONYMS!!!
 
@SomeKittens yeah sorry I thought that query would be so terrible that it would be obvious that I was joking haha. but I guess yeah there ar etons of people that really do write their queries that way in PHP :O
 
Ask a teacher to make a website, they'll go and use a web design software
How fail is that
 
microsoft frontpage haha
 
@JordanRichards Not my teacher. He was awesome.
 
4:36 AM
I had a teacher that wrote huge Java programs in Notepad. that is just sad..
 
Welcome to Wales the home of know it alls who know nothing
 
@JordanRichards Sounds like America :P
 
'I am a teacher a pro at it'
 
the USSA
united socialist states of america
 
O ok, go and set up a local host and install apache and make a forum out of php
 
4:37 AM
makes me wish they had a monarchy like you guys :P
 
Teacher: 'igtg'
 
ugh more acronyms
 
Socialist? Pffft. The average American throws that word around a lot. I really wish they'd take the time to understand what it means
 
it's getting that way
 
I think acros are awesome imho
 
4:38 AM
iyss
 
they are frowned upon here
 
Apple seems to love em
 
then we must love them too
haha
 
So do good grapes tell that to the tiny slow keyboard where u press 3 keys at once
 
what does 'good grapes' mean?
 
4:39 AM
Lolol
Made it up
Good grapes cool beans and tasty poop
:) made two of em up
Cool beans is not mine imo
 
the lack of tactile feedback renders touchscreen keyboards borderline useless for me. Hate em.
 
I'm not a huge fan of them either
 
Mhmmmmmmmmm makes Seneca for a fix
:)
Do u agree?
 
the true web experience lies with a personal computer. period.
did any of you guys watch the keynotes from this year's ZendCon?
 
Yeah!!!!
 
4:42 AM
Andi Gutmans was going on about "mobile-first development" which is totally insane in my opinion.
 
Take that Andrew OID!!
Web experiance lies with comps
 
he seems to think that people ought to develop for mobile FIRST and then develop the "regular" page
I couldn't possibly disagree more with that. it's preposterous
 
Yeah get rid of em
Flash ftw
 
Point of Principle: I'm from the US and have a full grasp of what Socialism means.
 
he was going on and on about how such-and-such percentage of users on the web are on mobile devices and that it's "constantly increasing.."
 
4:44 AM
Anyone. Here good with as?????!?!?!?
Action script
 
which might be true for rubbish sites like facebook and garbage like that. but let's be honest here.. anyone who wants do anything that is actually productive does so with a personal computer
 
It's just the same as java script but with diff wording I tink
 
unless all they have is their mobile phone
 
Joking
 
@SomeKittens as do I
 
4:45 AM
@mmmshuddup Eventually mobile devices will be capable of supporting all desktop-specific tech. It makes sense to design for mobile first actually, I mean that's how a growing percentage of sites are primarily accessed, so why not get a leg up on the design contraints in prep for when the tech catches up?
 
As foo ooii
Gag stub it keyboard
Gah stupid*
 
@mmmshuddup Then you understand that the US is nowhere near socialism.
 
@mmmshuddup Actually productive? Ebay? Wikipedia? Amazon? Google?
 
@monners that's exactly what I disagree with. I think the only sites that are primarily accessed by mobile devices are facebook and youtube and twitter and all that nonsense.
 
Quarter to5 am
Guys
Think I beettteeeee get to sleep?
 
4:46 AM
but for the rest of the world, poeple use computers
 
ok good night
 
47*
Gooood night :)
Nice meeting you all, yhx for putting up with my fall jokes
 
@mmmshuddup you've gotta try to think about it from the perspective of someone who doesn't frequently use a desktop computer. the majority of what they're doing is stuff that shouldn't typically require a desktop, and they're not an insignificantly sized group!
 
And my terrible finger typing
 
4:48 AM
@monners what's wrong with developing the full site first, if after all it's going to be the main version that gets accessed?
@monners yeah I guess. that's sad then
 
Some websites don't work
Mobile - what I mean I'd they may WORK but not do the job
 
@mmmshuddup Nothing, but it's a pain in the ass to try and adapt a site from full to mobile, whereas a mobile site typically has less fat that might need trimming and also greatly benefits from well organized html/js
 
For example this keyboard
It WORKS
 
@SomeKittens it's big gov't either way. universal health care, financial aid, medicare, welfare..they're all socialistic programs
 
But does it do the job?? Not properly
Anyway night peeps
 
4:50 AM
@monners fine. I can't disagree with that.
 
Gggggooioiddf night
 
@mmmshuddup Everything in a country the size of the U.S. is big government. That's the point of a federal system!
 
Nos da ( goodnight in welsh)
O wait
 
@monners well but the US wasn't meant to be that way. it is a constitutional republic
 
Bore da
 
4:51 AM
Avoiding obvious debate. Night all!
 
:) good mirnin
 
ooh, wait
 
Bore da
Lolol
 
@mmmshuddup US was also meant to not have political parties and only give voting to the educated.
 
@SomeKittens yeah I don't want to debate this either
 
4:51 AM
alright, now bed.
 
@mmmshuddup Heads up, I studied U.S. Constitutional Law in grad school. I know a little about this stuff.
 
@SomeKittens as it should be
 
Okay it's ten to five away eeem
A m*
 
Meh, I'm gonna pull an all-nighter
 
do people really think that someone who doesn't even know the bill of rights for example is really qualified to vote?
 
4:52 AM
Good morning, I'll have a nice sleep
:))))
 
yeah I have to get work done.. I am procrastinating a bit
 
Say HM back or I ain't leavin
Good morning back*
 
lol, that's a complicated question. I mean, no one really knows the bill of rights, hence the Supreme Court
 
yeah I guess.. it was the best arbitrary example I could come up with on the fly haha
 
4:54 AM
Say good morning back!!!
Grr bunch of mean peeps here
=(
 
the Constitution is just about the most ambiguous document in U.S. Law, and the interpretations are often borderline nonsensical.
 
Lol
Five to five a m
I'm going
Byeeee good morning
:)
 
@JordanRichards Pleasant evening
 
the problem wtih allowing anyone to vote is that you get idiots that only watch mainstream media - allowing themselves to be fully indoctrinated - voting for candidates based on false pretenses. that is how a government can go from what the US was 100 years ago to what it is today.
 
:) that's good enough
Ty for actually answering :)
Cya
 
4:56 AM
hasta la vista
 
Visa card
Windows vista fails
 
Well, that's not a failure of voting practices so much as a failure of the political/social climate of the U.S. in general.
 
Bye
Bye nowww
 
yeah that's totally true. but sadly it has gotten to the point where they kinda need to implement voting laws though. you know?
 
I am going
 
4:57 AM
ok bye then. bye.
 
And 100 years ago women couldn't vote, desegregation was a distant dream, and the country was building up to one of the most devestating economic collapses of all time.
 
The government etc is going downhil
Illuminati
Know what I'm sayin?
 
@monners true. but we also weren't enslaved to a private bank who owns and controls all of our money and wrongfully imposed taxes on us.
 
Anyway guys
 
@monners the economic collapse was caused by the fed reserve bank. therefore, if the bank never existed there would have never been a crash in the frist place
 
4:59 AM
On a more serious note
 
we have woodrow wilson to thank for that
 

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