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user17242583
12:00 AM
It's 2022 (UTC).
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Thanks @Dharman and @Machavity for deleting the vague, opinion-based, self-promoting software recommendation page. With no specific requirements, it couldn't be fixed by editing. It lasted too long as an opportunity for the OP to promote their code and rubbish other answers for not being good enough.
 
12:17 AM
Yep, that's interesting. it is definitely a gold badge thing
So, if you have a gold badge in a tag on a closed question, you can delete vote it even if there are other questions closed as duplicates of it
oh no, Dharman just changed the dupe target on the one blocking it -_-
@Dharman could you delete-vote the one mickmack linked before changing the dupe target? or did you try?
 
I tried to delete vote, but I couldn't so I changed the only duplicate that was linked against it.
 
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But I wonder what actually happened to that project
 
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Of course he shouldn't make a Q&A just to spam his project he's "really proud of"
 
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But he says:
 
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> the project github repository has been taken from me with hostility by a maintainer and in consequence I was removed from the administrators and the authors
 
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3:58 AM
 
Took him a bit to respond, but we are pleased to also add Ryan M as a room owner
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New Year, New Room Owners. Must now remember to keep my jokes clean. :-)
... and no bad stuffs about Google?
 
We should schedule our next room meeting for 2/3/22 :P
 
Have you been watching the feeds in SOBotics?
 
@AdrianMole Discord, but same difference :P
 
4:12 AM
Glad to be joining the team! Although I'm a little bit more AFK than usual due to the holidays :-)
 
I think we're all around a bit less. It's all good
 
Fortunately, the summoning ritual is fairly effective when done with a diamond ;-)
 
@mickmackusa That and Xdebug now does it without any need for a library
 
4:35 AM
^ struth
 
5:21 AM
New candidate question for next mod election: "Do you believe being a SOCVR RO should be a requirement for all candidates? Please explain your choice via haiku."
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Let's not be poemist. Via Haiku or Limericks.
... or headless Iambic tetrameter?
 
 
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ctrl +c and ctrl +v from the comments here
 
 
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8:52 AM
And happy new year everyone :)
 
 
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10:14 AM
Is it possible to see when I have retracted a close vote?
 
 
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12:22 PM
 
12:44 PM
 
@mickmackusa 1) you have not given a reason to re-open the question and have only mentioned issues about your answer, something that has no bearing on whether a question should be opened or closed. 2) you also are not an impartial, non-involved observer
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels The OP has clarified the previously unclear question.
 
@mickmackusa Then that should be the thrust of your re-open request, no? I don't see mention of this in your prior request.
 
I wonder why a question such as this one would have 2 undelete votes. Is it flaggable for moderator attention?
 
@blackgreen I see no flaggable actions there
 
12:59 PM
fair enough; is there anything that warrants undeletion?
I might just follow the question and act if/when it gets undeleted
 
@blackgreen: not that I can see, but others may see things differently, and that is allowed and how the site works.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I disagree. ;-P
 
^ about which part?
 
About being allowed to disagree.
 
this begs further elaboration
(please)
 
1:09 PM
As the Hovercraft well knows, this is not the room for an argument.
 
@AdrianMole Please. You almost made me spit out my coffee :D
 
who's arguing? I think HfoE is talking about people casting undelete votes even though they (and me) don't think that would be desirable
oh you're joking
 
I admit it was a rather poor attempt at humour...
 
Hm... you people on-the-wrong-side-of-the-Channel... I'll focus on the close votes
 
1:34 PM
Happy new year to all, by the way. May the odds be ever in your favor
 
Happy New Year folks!
 
2:09 PM
@VLAZ Yes, if the question is not closed. The close-vote dialog will show when you retracted. I thought I remembered that information as being shown in your profile's close-vote list, but it's not there at this point. Maybe I was remembering flags. You may be able to infer that you retracted and approximately when by when the question entered, left, or didn't enter the CV review queue. The information is available in the question timeline to moderators, but isn't shown to regular users.
 
@Dharman Ah, thanks, that is interesting. I'm not sure how mickmack was able to delete vote a question that had dupes linked to it
I guess it must be a 25k user ability
 
I was able to do that too, from the iOS app
not sure if it's the same bug/behavior
 
@blackgreen you're able to delete vote questions that serve as dupe targets from the iOS app?
 
yes correct, this is what I believe had happened
 
Hmm
 
2:45 PM
I had a Q in my followed list which couldn't be deleted from the browser due to links. After a while, I reopened that Q on mobile (iOS app) and the delete vote went through
There's at least one dupe link that points to nothing now
 
well it still points to the deleted Q probably
 
yes, correct
I wrote "nothing" because <10k users would just see the 404 page; the link is still there
now that I think of it, I should probably flag the post with the broken dupe link
 
I can't replicate since I don't have an iPhone but that is surely a bug if you are able to do it from the iOS app. Unfortunately the apps are dead so I doubt that will get fixed
 
never mind, I remember I had already handled that. FTR, this is the timeline of the post that used to have the broken dupe link; and this is the timeline of the deleted target. As you can see deletion went through on Dec 27 '21 at 8:15 and I pushed the dupe into the reopen queue on Dec 27 '21 at 8:21 (6 mins later)
which was completed and reopened the subsequent day at 17:45
@TylerH I considered that, however as you say, I recall reading that the iOS apps aren't supported any more...
IMO this is a bad bug, I mean, anyone with the iOS app could (can?) circumvent the delete block on linked dupes
 
3:02 PM
Is this question a duplicate of this question? I have got to admit that I am a little bit confused. OP is high-rep and seems to know about generics...
 
@Turing85 I'm not a java dev but I don't think they are duplicate. related for sure.
 
Zoe
it's how and not when though
stackoverflow.com/questions/9406025/… is when (,,, but a different when, arguably)
 
@blackgreen well, not anyone. Only 10k+ users
 
@Turing85 This one looks close stackoverflow.com/questions/6503942/… (not an SME myself)
 
3:26 PM
I don't know, do you think it's worth it to point this bug out — either in meta or through the contact form — or the potential for abuse is low enough?
 
@blackgreen I'd probably do a search to see if it has been reported before
If not, sure a contact us form submission would probably be appreciated since they can at least file the bug and be aware of it
but yes I agree it getting fixed is likely low on their priority list given they don't support or update the apps anymore
 
the thing is, if it was reported via the contact form, we wouldn't know
does SE have a public bug tracker?
 
While I do think it's important to fix that bug, personally, I don't know Swift or Objective C so I don't know how the app works... if it's something they'd change on the app side or on the server side
@blackgreen ha ha
Meta
 
bleh..
 
they really ought to
IMO
 
3:29 PM
I'll go fish in meta, see if I can find anything
 
I can't find anything relevant. I'll file a report with the contact form
 
3:58 PM
 
4:22 PM
@blackgreen You can post it on Meta and we can [status-review] it. That gets it into the official list
Provided it's a confirmed bug
 
4:34 PM
@TylerH @blackgreen @Machavity As far as I'm aware, the apps use the SE API to get data and perform actions. Thus, this is likely to be a general issue with the /questions/{id}/delete route in the SE API.
 
5:33 PM
@cigien points for circling the problem, though...there was an attempt.
 
6:11 PM
 
user17242583
6:29 PM
included gmail username and password in post!?!?
 
8:40 PM
@Makyen so we could test by having a 20k account calling the same action via the API on an appropriate question with others closed against it
 
9:17 PM
 
@TylerH this closed question is the dupe target of this one, you can use it to test the behavior, if you wish. It requires an access token with write privilege, which I don't have
 
 
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10:34 PM
 
10:51 PM
ah crap. My highest-voted answer had 100 upvotes. Somebody just upvoted it to 101. 2022 is officially ruined.
 
@Turing85 Are you implicitly asking for a downvote? :D
 
@desertnaut No. I would never knowingly violate the room rules. Furhtermore, this would only change the total, not the number of upvotes.
 
Does anyone know how to get my helpful flag count programmatically? Or how does my profile page get it from the server?
 
11:10 PM
@Dharman I'm not aware of a specific route which directly provides you with that information. The only way I've seen is to scrape it from the pages on which it is displayed. SE almost certainly gets it as a database query as part of creating the HTML for the pages which contain that information.
 
@Dharman I found it in HTML. They just slightly change the markup, but I can still scrape it. It's a shame there's no API for this
 
@Dharman GET https://stackoverflow.com/users/<uid>/<uname>?tab=topactivity -> is that what you meant?
 
yes
but without uname as that wasn't working for me
 
I just took a look at the network traffic in debug tools. That was what I found
 
It would be much easier if SE used semantic tags or ids
 
11:17 PM
or... you know... a REST API
 
@Turing85 That's literally just the user's activity page, not an actual API.
 
@Makyen I know. But it would be nice if we could fetch the user information via a REST API
 
@Turing85 There's no need to that, given what they are doing with the data. It's not something that's built by JavaScript within the user's browser. They are very strongly focused on just serving pages and having all the composition done in the backend, not the front end. Having a REST API which serves the data and composing the page using JavaScript within the user's browser is, really, the antithesis of how they have architected their system.
 
I am running scraping job to compile flaggers ranking but I am only making 1 req/second.
A REST API would be much faster
I need to scrape 3400 account initially
then I can update it ad-hoc only
 
@Dharman I'm assuming you mean semantic CSS classes and/or IDs. If so, then I strongly agree that using semantic CSS classes and/or IDs would make both userscript writers job easier and it easier for them to write modular HTML/CSS for their site. From the outside, it appears that they had people that just couldn't figure out how CSS works. They also wanted a strong focus on styling control within the HTML, so came up with "Stacks" and convinced/forced everyone to drink the Stacks cool-aid.
 

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