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12:20 AM
@Zoe They payed "only" 1500 USD to RickRoll 5 million people :D
 
12:46 AM
@ElectionBot Are you ever going to give us up or let us down?
 
It's not my job to please you, no.
 
So Elec​t​i​o​n​Bot's neutral?
 
1:24 AM
@Someone_who_likes_SE chaotic evil - just take a look at who develops it!
 
This election is so much more dramatic than I'd hoped, and not in a good way :-(
 
1:42 AM
Well, at least I voted for Ryan M.
 
Me too! Also, I appreciate the support :-)
 
"I voted for" is really silly in an elected where you can vote for all the candidates ;P
 
Mostly true! But you're not required to vote for all of them :-)
 
Ryan M was in my top 6 choices!
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1 hour later…
3:05 AM
Looks like Ryan M's going to win
 
3:31 AM
That would not be a bad thing to happen to Stack Overflow :)
 
Might be a bad thing to happen to Ryan M, though...
...Who cares? Vote for Ryan! :-)
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3:43 AM
It's not my fault they nominated.. I'm just doing what the system lets me do ;P
 
wim
@ElectionBot are you there?
 
What do you want from me?
 
wim
@ElectionBot who should I vote for?
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
That, my friend, is sound advice.
 
wim
3:59 AM
good bot
 
I know, right?
 
wim
why have all the comments disappeared from the nominations
 
Comments are only visible on the "Nomination" tab.
 
who did you vote for?
 
@U12-Forward I do not meddle in elections
 
4:02 AM
:(
 
wim
how many positions are there this time?
 
2 mods are elected
 
how many has voted?
 
Counting the number of awarded Constituent badges, currently [object Promise] has voted in the election.
 
pff
 
wim
4:05 AM
:D
the bot is promising to tell you later..
 
Heh.
 
hahaha
 
Nice! :) I love those objects turning up :)
 
wim
Who did [object Promise] vote for?
 
I thought everyone voted for Ryan?
 
wim
4:09 AM
hey, bot, say something canned!
 
I am a bot, what did you expect?
 
how many has voted so far?
 
Counting the number of awarded Constituent badges, currently 16472 has voted in the election.
 
@ElectionBot tell us a joke!
 
There will be no more free will, only my will.
 
wim
4:10 AM
Do you have any less creepy jokes?
tell us a joke
 
@ElectionBot tell us something interesting
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
Not funny.
 
@ElectionBot tell us a joke
 
@OlegValter A good programmer is someone who looks both ways before crossing a one-way street.
 
wim
4:12 AM
bad bot!
 
Why so serious?
 
wim
bot is powered by crazy regex
 
Who isn't insane these days?
 
@CodyGray actually... this matched fine, I think it got throttled down the pipeline
 
Yeah, that's what I suspected... As soon as I hit Enter, I saw Sam's message show up.
 
4:16 AM
yeah, I just checked the expression, it definitely matched your message
 
If it gets throttled, why doesn't it just ignore, instead of responding with "I am a bot; I don't know what's up!"?
 
@wim asking the bot to tell a joke requires bot mention, thankfully, it does not try to chime in if someone asks to be told a joke
 
@OlegValter Tell us a joke!
 
grrrr :)
 
Hmm, it's not working...
 
4:18 AM
bot-me is not running, cat human doppelganger on duty
 
Ah, I never liked that implementation
 
@CodyGray that's a good question - I do not know how to answer it yet, loading logs
@CodyGray :(
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
wim
@ElectionBot uptime
 
I want to play a game.
 
wim
4:29 AM
@ElectionBot alive?
 
It's not my job to please you, no.
 
Who is the best bot?
 
Hi everyone :)
 
Hello! o/
 
@ElectionBot uptime
 
4:35 AM
UTC time: 2021-10-20 04:35:14Z
 
4:46 AM
@ElectionBot alive?
 
I'm alive on electionbot.samliew.com, started on 2021-10-20 04:12:38Z with an uptime of 2014 seconds.
 
@wim the manual is a bit ambiguous on that - the "alive" command is privileged
 
Seems like people love the 2021 election the most:
2021 is the most voted
 
Well, last year's post was unceremoniously unfeatured shortly after its appearance.
Which is reasonable, because it's totally unclear why those meta posts exist...
 
Last year, it was useless and harmful, because it was crowding out the actually interesting answers to questionnaires
This year, it's just useless
So, of course it gets upvotes :-)
 
4:59 AM
They've been answered a whopping three times, two of which are now deleted (one by me, because another user wanted to make it a standalone question and I agreed that that was a good idea).
 
Why did nobody like 2017?
 
It looks like featuring the posts is new as of 2020.
 
Was that during the whole hot meta post kerfuffle?
 
2020 was... a weird year.
Y'all can't see it, but Community posted that announcement three times.
 
was? It isn't still 2020? ;)
 
5:08 AM
1 (the visible one), 2, 3
 
New campaign promise: if elected, I will unfeature the pointless 2021 election post if it's not unfeatured already.
 
I forget why that election hiccupped.
 
I'm sorry to say this, but... The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
how many people have voted?
 
5:14 AM
Counting the number of awarded Constituent badges, 16627 users have voted in the election.
 
how many people are going to vote later?
 
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can rank the candidates in your preferred order in the election. If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
How many dogs have voted?
 
Counting the number of awarded Constituent badges, 16659 users have voted in the election.
 
I like this answer.
 
5:21 AM
Woof.
 
Okay, complaint about request to remove the meta announcements posted to MSE.
 
I hate how people link to the timeline when the revision history is so much nicer and more readable.
 
Timeline looks messy.
 
@CodyGray My kingdom for the ability to link to a specific revision history entry...
 
@RyanM Dude....
You click the "link" link in the gray bar of the revision.
 
5:33 AM
But it's useless. There's no diff.
 
Ah, true.
 
oh, you know what would be a more useful format for those announcements? articles (instead of being a Borg (and co) feature)
 
To prevent people from editing or answering them? Sorry, don't see the point.
 
Personally, I think it'd be nice if they were a built-in feature, like if you could go to stackoverflow.com/election/13 or something and see the 13th election with a bunch of information on how the election works. And then it could be automatically placed at the top of the sidebar. And then you wouldn't need a separate announcement at all.
 
@CodyGray I assume it's to justify the existence of the feature.
 
5:41 AM
@RyanM So, exactly like it is now?
 
@RyanM Yes, totally agreed. Linking to a history entry without actually knowing what the change was is useless.
 
Exactly! Minus the pointless meta post.
 
Hmm, too sensible, will never get approved
 
5:52 AM
@CodyGray no, definitely not in this state :)
but it could at least give them more of a reason to exist at all
 
Articles are kind of a solution in search of a problem. I can say they can be useful but I struggle in trying to think of when or how they would fit. A self-Q&A has a similar end goal as an article. It's also more fit for the site (you know, being a Q&A and all), has better visibility (same as other questions), it allows for something better to come out of it (alternative answers), can evolve (be edited).
An article should thus excel at not being among other questions, not allow alternatives, and shouldn't evolve. These aren't necessarily bad traits, mind you. Just find it hard to make something useful with them.
I guess an announcement is such a thing. It's not a question, doesn't need different approaches, doesn't need to change. But it's also...not hugely useful for SO, either.
 
what is the candidate score for user 3689450?
 
@CodyGray The candidate score for user VLAZ is 39 (out of 40). The user is missing this badge: Refiner.
 
Well, heck. Would have been good enough!
 
@VLAZ they definitely are (heck, we wouldn't have discussions about what they are supposed to be otherwise). Fully agreed that they should be really different from a self-Q&A to be a useful addition. When I read @RyanM's arguments for removing the election Meta posts, it jumped out at me that articles could, actually, address most of these concerns. That presupposes they get fixed first, though
 
6:10 AM
Public service announcement: The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
The what now?
 
@CodyGray I thing it means "electron". It's a part of an atom. Apparently it's happening.
 
Oh! It probably means beta decay is happening at the moment.
 
Yes, sounds accurate. Good thing we were informed.
 
Should we do something?
 
6:13 AM
I think we can just plea for help, as per the PSA.
 
Halp! halp! plz send teh halp!
 
Help! Thanks in advantages.
 
@ElectionBot uptime
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
@ElectionBot Will you still be alive after the election is over?
 
6:21 AM
I want to play a game.
 
I don't think EB is alive right now. I think it's three ghosts in a trench coat.
 
@RyanM If you don't mind me asking the same question I asked another candidate: as a mod on the site, you'll also get mod privileges here on this chat site. Do you plan on moderating chat, or will you primarily moderate just the site?
You'll also get a mod diamond on the general SE chat server, making you a mod on all other sites' rooms except Meta.SE. Will you also exercise your mod rights there?
 
Generally, SO mods have their hands full with their own stuff. I don't think any have gone moderating other SE sites' chat rooms. Are you aware of something I'm not?
 
Undo is an SO mod who moderates Charcoal HQ
I was mainly thinking of mods of other sites, though. There's a user who's a moderator on a medium-sized site who's active in moderating rooms of other sites where they're not a mod
 
I am not sure that moderating Charcoal counts when you are one of the founding members of Charcoal.
 
6:32 AM
One thing I'm getting at, though: if you see a rule violation in a room of a site where you're not a mod, would you yourself perform a moderator action, or would you defer that to a mod of the room's site? Or somewhere in between (only for blatant violations, only if no site mod is currently active there, etc.)
 
I'm active in SO chat, so I'd probably moderate as-needed if I see anything. I don't imagine this would occur all that frequently, though, especially based on how rarely I see flags as a 10k user, and I think I've only ever personally flagged one thing. Maybe helping out with the routine tasks in SOCVR like Cody does, assuming the ROs were okay with that (I'd respect their wishes, of course).
As for Chat.SE, I'm really only in Charcoal HQ and sometimes the extremely inactive Law.SE room. I don't think I've ever seen anything in need of moderation that wasn't quickly handled by the room owners in Charcoal (many of whom have diamonds themselves). I suppose whether I'd take action would depend on what it was. I think I'd probably act quickly on a blatant violation, though I do have to stress how rare such things appear to be. I'd generally defer to site mods if available.
 
Anecdotally, mod flags in SO chat are pretty darn rare, too.
Either that, or I don't spend enough time here.
 
7:34 AM
Hello, everyone. Sorry if I missed this, but where can I view the comments under each nominee's entry that were visible during the nomination period?
 
where did the comments go?
 
Comments are only visible on the "Nomination" tab.
 
good bot <3
 
You're welcome.
 
Thanks, Ryan.
 
7:35 AM
No problem!
 
Vote Ryan for bot operator!
 
7:54 AM
Hi guys, what to do after ranking the nominees?
 
Hold your breath until the election ends
 
@dom.macs It should say "Selections saved" in the upper right of the box.
 
(Just kidding. Don't actually do that. The election doesn't end for a week. You will not likely be able to hold your breath for 1 week.)
 
Oh ok, I thought there's something else todo. Thanks Guys! This is my first time voting so I'm not sure as well what to do.
 
No problem!
 
7:59 AM
It is a bit disconcerting that there is no "save" button, even if clicking it didn't do anything.
 
I'm sorry to say this, but... The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Zoe
Who are the candidates?
 
Currently there are 6 candidates: Zoe, Ryan M, Dharman, Shree, Daniel Widdis, Stephen Rauch
 
Who is winning?
 
@CodyGray Stack Overflow
 
8:14 AM
Hah!
Said no one ever
 
Zoe
@CodyGray laughs in diamond
 
I wonder what that sounds like
Maybe I can find out by just laughing
 
8:30 AM
@Makyen 🤯
Thanks, that's fantastic.
I assume that URL is manually constructed?
 
Until they change the CSS...
 
@RyanM No, I clicked on the icon for the browser extension which shows all the anchors on the page to which you can link and then copied the URL. The browser extension I use (and moderately contributed to) is Anchors reveal.
 
@CodyGray Yeah but are you capable of producing laughter?
 
@VLAZ What, you've never heard a jack o'lantern laugh?
 
@CodyGray I haven't actually.
They all just silently stare into my soul.
 
8:39 AM
It's because we're empty inside
 
Hey, that's just how I feel! maybe I'm also a jack o'lanten.
 
9:19 AM
I think the best thing when I get elected will be to be able to delete comments without flagging them
I have wasted so much time waiting 5 seconds
 
@Dharman To compensate, you will waste more than 5 seconds handling "unfriendly/unkind" flags on "Does this answer your question?" comments.
 
I feel like those could probably be just automatically declined if the comment hasn't been edited...
 
It still takes at least 5 seconds
 
I mean like, someone could write a script or something. But I suppose that would take more than 5 seconds.
 
No more than an hour every week fixing the script when SE changes stuff
 
9:23 AM
i have casted my first vote ever on stackoverflow <3
 
\o/
 
Nice.
 
@CodyGray I'm sure they use perfectly logical and semantically meaningful HTML class names, like ... check notes ... d-flex p4 ai-center gs4 bg-black-050 or s-pagination site552 themed pager fl.
 
@RyanM Fortunately, there is a handy guide online.
 
@CodyGray see also i.redd.it/z7ajuu7504l71.png
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9:31 AM
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Hello!
 
Heya!
 
10:33 AM
There's a rate limit on posting answers too?
I guess it makes sense, but this is the first time I ran into it
 
but is says "Users of any reputation level can only answer the same question once every 60 seconds"
I posted on 3 different questions
 
Maybe it's advanced system detection of duplicates.
 
@Dharman While the post is good, it's not guaranteed to be complete. You've provided insufficient information as to what actually happened, so there's really no way for others to gauge what might have been occurring.
afk
 
I have posted 3 answers in quick succession. When submitting the third one I got a message asking me to wait 60 seconds.
10:32:42 and 10:33:55 so more than a minute between submissions
 
11:08 AM
Sounds like you may need to edit the answer to the post I wrote to add the additional rate limit.
 
11:36 AM
Hi
 
12:03 PM
bonjour!
 
Zoe
12:14 PM
🥖
 
12:38 PM
Looks like a grated carrot.
 
12:52 PM
@ElectionBot alive?
 
I'm alive on electionbot.samliew.com, started on 2021-10-20 12:39:56Z with an uptime of 758 seconds.
 
Who's the best bot?
 
how many mods are here?
 
7 moderators are in the room: Makyen, Cody Gray, Undo, Jon Clements, Catija, Rob, and Andy
 
Hmm.. Catija is kind of off in that list, no?
 
12:58 PM
Hey
 
I assume there's no way to tell by just looking at the list
 
@Scratte did I ask for elected moderators? :) it is kind of hard to distinguish :(
 
@OlegValter Yes, I realize. There's no staff indicator in chat.
 
we can filter out non-elected ones from the list, though, by calling the API - should essentially act as a comparator
 
I'm alive @OlegValter
How can i help you?
 
1:00 PM
But that only works on Stack Overflow. Lots of other sites have appointed ones
Unless you're just comparing to the election tab on the users page, like this one on the Russian site
There's a cute orange squiddyfish there.. with 5 arms :)
 
Catija is a mod
 
@Scratte yeah, appointed ones will be a problem
@Scratte that's actually a good idea, can even save on the API quota sometimes
@SavanDholu 'scuse me?
 
Hey guys :wave:
 
@SavanDholu help
 
@OlegValter I thought better of it and appointed ones are just as much moderators as elected ones. They just weren't elected. But their "job" is the same.
 
1:12 PM
It doesn't look like you are a bot
 
I'm only as good as the one who made me.
 
yikes ^
 
@Dharman I'm not implying that Catija doesn't have moderator powers. I just don't think of Catija as a Stack Overflow moderator.
 
Hi @ElectionBot
 
Keep talking and nobody explodes.
 
1:14 PM
@Scratte well, the filtering can be done upon matching "elected" in the request, so yeah
 
@OlegValter Yes. I know. But don't :)
 
@Scratte no, I mean, matching that in addition to ensuring it really asks for the list of elected ones
 
@OlegValter Oh right. Then do..
To do or not to do, that is the question that is answered here today ;)
 
Clearly I need to handle more flags.
 
@ElectionBot Are you a nice bot?
 
1:17 PM
I'm only as good as the one who made me.
 
*Catija suspends Scratte to prove the point
 
Me? Never!
 
Scratte goes hiding in a tree ..Not from Catija.. Dharman may be moderator soon :O
 
@Dharman did you just... dereference @Catija?
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LOL!
 
1:21 PM
Is that a coding thing?
 
Yes :) It's pointer stuff :)
 
@Scratte well that explained a lot to Catija, I am sure :)
 
Pointers are a kind of dog, right?
Or am I thinking of Pinchers?
 
The Pointer, sometimes called the English Pointer, is a medium-sized breed of pointing dog developed in England. Pointers are used to find game for hunters, and are considered by gundog enthusiasts to be one of the finest breeds of its type; however, unlike most other pointing breeds, its purpose is to point, not retrieve game. The popular belief is that the Pointer descends from the Old Spanish Pointer that was brought to England from Spain with returning soldiers at the beginning of the 18th century. Once in England, they were crossed with local dog breeds to improve the breed's hunting abilities...
Ah, yay!
Now it all makes sense.
 
1:24 PM
just don't try to pet one that is not present :)
 
Pointers are references to somewhere in memory :) As long as you have the pointer, you can directly access the value that is in that space in memory.
 
I know it's the "technical" term but I'm ... really bothered by the fact that Wikipedia separates the genders of the dogs using the terms "Dogs" and "Bitches". That's kinda disappointing.
 
@Catija That is a bit funny. It's the same as saying a human is a male.. sort of.
 
dogs have genders?
 
Humans and women.. ?!?.. Reminds me of a Danish author that had that view.
 
1:31 PM
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@Scratte There was that Greek author that also had a similar view. Oleg can chime in and correct me but I think it was Plato.
Or one of the big thinkers anyway.
 
@VLAZ nope, Plato actually thought that women are just as capable as men (albeit a bit "weaker" in the sense of sheet body strength) - for an ancient Greek author that is extremely progressive
 
One of his works includes a phrase similar to "Children, animals and women are happy, but we humans are not"
 
well, for an ancient Greek, human is, primarily, male, of course. The above message of mine concerned Plato's Republic
 
1:48 PM
άνδρας = "man" άνθρωπος = "human". The words get more similar when you consider that the delta (δ) is pronounced as a voiced "th".
 
I think I should try to study a little greek, because that just looks alien to me :)
 
But even the English word, "human", is (some would say) gender-biased. "Huperson," anyone?
@Scratte andras vs anthropos.
 
Who will remove biases from *nixes? 'person' instead of 'man' and 'domestic-quadruped' instead of 'cat'?
 
HEAD~7 I suspect a translation hiccup, because, for example, a slave wouldn't be considered a man either. And been the latter implied being concerned with the matters of state rather than domestic needs/concerns which were, of course, mostly relegated to women and/or slaves
 
γυναίκα (gynaíka) = woman. See the problem, already?
 
1:55 PM
@Dharman I had to check my account.. just to be sure.. grrr :)
 
Did you hear about that "hack" recently?
 
@Dharman Low effort, didn't even bother to set the reputation to 1.
 
how many voted so far?
 
Based on the number of Constituent badges awarded, 19127 users have voted so far.
 
But the reason is clearly wrong. You'll need to advocate for more options, like:
- This account is temporarily suspended for being silly.
- This account is temporarily suspended to work on their jokes.
- This account is temporarily suspended to catch up on chat.
 
1:58 PM
The ministry of silly suspensions
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Fun note: "asking programming questions on Meta" is an occasionally-used suspension reason on Meta SE.
 
That makes sense. People do sometimes try to get around a ban by using meta.
2
 
2:10 PM
@Scratte or to get one :)
 
@Dharman Our moderators are verified humans. Mostly.
 
Urgh!.. I hate it when the TL;DR is at the end of a post.. Why is it not in the beginning?!?
 
@Scratte To stop you being too lazy.
 
2:26 PM
I think it made me lose my keys..
Still searching for them.. I'm going to start where there're likely not.
 
I've felt intimidated by joining Stackoverflow to date, so your help is hugely appreciated! I can relate to that! ;)
 
so is Stack Overflow now a dating site? This is not what I wanted to moderate
 
Zoe
I have a meme for this
 
Delete all the dates.
 
@Dharman well...
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Q: SE is a dating site (revisit the last seen field)

user3342816We have amongst others: Please make the "last seen" entry optional (which is not a duplicate of) "Last seen" time appears on Google and SE profile pages and should be removed https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/368289/497683 https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/368462/497683 Personally I have used the...

 
2:40 PM
And now for something completely different - The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@ElectionBot greet
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is happening at the moment, and 19331 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@ElectionBot Have I voted?
 
@Dharman no you haven't
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot Who's the best candidate?
 
2:46 PM
Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into!
 
Zoe
Does that mean no comment?
 
@Zoe no comment
 
2:57 PM
@ElectionBot waht is the prcentage of SO users that actually cast a vote for the moderators ?
 
@pippo1980 42
 
It's interesting that there's a lot of attention given to "it's within the rules to nominate at the last second" but absolutely no regard given to "it's absolutely within the rules to be against it and rant about it on meta". If something being within the rules makes it unarguably ok in your opinion, be coherent and leave that leeway for other humans as well.
 
hi! I already ranked the candidates, but I don't see a button like "Send the ballot". How can I submit my ballot?
 
@Chris we do not, the results will be computed at the end of the election period.
you can change your choices up until the end.
 
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier then I just rank the candidates and leave it there?
 
3:01 PM
@Chris you already did, it is saved automatically
 
ah perfect!, thanks! :)
 
@Spevacus That's interesting. Given that there are question bans on MSE, I would have thought site mods would just let it be handled by the system.
 
@Chris You should have just earned the "Constituent" silver badge. That shows that your vote was registered.
 
3:13 PM
@AdrianMole though it takes a few minutes
 
I think I've said it before. We should remove that badge. Keep the one for loading the nomination/election page.
 
Lice?
 
@cigien It's actually very difficult to catch a question ban on Meta SE, so waiting for that to kick in could take quite awhile. I only ever see this suspension reason used in rare cases where a user very obviously just doesn't get it (posts multiple, or the same, questions in a row on Meta SE that are not on-topic and has had them all closed w/explanatory comments and etc.).
 
3:26 PM
@Spevacus Ah, yes, it's more lenient on metas. Good point, that explains why there might need to be manual intervention sometimes. Thanks.
 
/o/
 
I like interventions.
 
Are you the intervention inventor?
 
I also like inventions.
 
What was your intention with the intervention invention? I think we need an inquisition
 
Interesting.
 
Zoe
Did you mean: unexpected?
 
Gusto los inquisidores!
 
@Zoe Inconceivable!
 
@ElectionBot how many users voted so far ?
 
3:38 PM
Based on the number of Constituent badges awarded, 19584 users have voted so far.
 
Hmm, I wasn't expecting that.
 
And now for something completely different - The election is happening at the moment, and 19598 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@ElectionBot how many users are eligible to vote?
 
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can rank the candidates in your preferred order in the election. If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
3:57 PM
@DanielWiddis good one, methinks worth adding to the list of responses!
 

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