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12:03 AM
@ElectionBot tell me a joke
 
@DanielWiddis To understand what recursion is, you must first understand recursion.
 
@DanielWiddis Are you OK? Or is the wait killing you? :)
 
Sorry, I was looking up recursion.
 
I did not see that coming :) Did you crash?
 
Nope, I hit a StackOverflowError :D
but it was handled
 
12:14 AM
That's crashing! :)
 
lol, it was in a separate thread though.
 
Obviously not, since it stopped you from responding. I think your system is lying to you :)
 
The separate thread was chewing up all my CPU until that thread crashed, but the main program is fine! :D
 
So.. you're a single core?
 
Well, the specs say dual core, but my particular design commonly suffers from single-thread-processing.
Which sometimes causes communications issues with my dual core partner who effectively multitasks much better ;)
 
12:20 AM
Oh.. so you're mostly the idle process?
 
It may look idle on monitoring systems but it's actually processing... something... all the time!
 
Sure.. stacks.. until it crashes ;)
 
 
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wim
2:17 AM
@ElectionBot tell a joke
 
Houston, we have a problem.
 
wim
@ElectionBot tell me a joke
 
@wim Why did the programmer quit his job? Because he didn't get arrays.
 
3:11 AM
@VLAZ neither do odd corner case that should've never been matched, fixing, thanks!
 
3:30 AM
@OlegValter Maybe you should put diamonds after the elected mods? I don't know what you put after the staff.... a staff? ;-)
 
@CodyGray A heart? A spade? A club? Yes, a club and staff are kinda similar.
And Cody should have his diamond replaced by 🤓
 
@Scratte Bit hard to insert that into a chat message, though.
 
I guess we'll need to talk to the unicode people :)
 
Did you say unicorn people? 🦄
 
3:39 AM
 
Wow. ✨
 
@CodyGray probably, needs some investigation - the feature has just been added, so there is a long way to go, methinks. I know what will be after @Catija, though :) 🥕
 
@RyanM Not sure how that works. I suppose the glyphs needs to be sent along for the browser to be able to show it.
@OlegValter I thought that was privileged information ;)
 
@Scratte Yeah, it'd have to be in the font that's used (or otherwise interpreted by the page)
 
I'm sorry to say this, but... The election is happening at the moment, and 20806 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
3:51 AM
@Scratte it's been 8 days since it was declassified :)
 
4:50 AM
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
- what is Single Transferable Vote?
- what is Meek STV?
 
what are the moderation badges
 
what are the editing badges
 
4:52 AM
what are the participation badges
 
The 6 participation badges are: Constituent, Convention, Enthusiast, Investor, Quorum, Yearling
 
what are the required badges?
 
The 4 required badges to nominate yourself are: Civic Duty, Convention, Deputy, Strunk & White. You'll also need 3000 reputation.
 
Broke 1k! We're keeping the flags warm for y'all!
 
How thougthful. Nobody likes cold flags.
 
5:03 AM
Don't be silly. Bhargav is probably in a meeting ;P
 
5:29 AM
Why is sportsmanship a moderation badge?
 
@DanielWiddis Voting is considered a type of moderation.
 
I voted once. I would not recommend it. 4/10
 
Ah, so is Electorate I guess.
 
And Civic Duty
 
6:30 AM
@CodyGray Oh no
 
Is another mod candidate trying to rickroll us? :-)
 
Zoe
Hey, that's my job!
 
@CodyGray The answer is "no", for now.
 
6:46 AM
I clicked. It's not a rickroll. :)
 
Is it a Dharmanroll?
 
It's actually some pretty classy music.
 
I assume the Dharmanroll would involve some pretty classy music.
Bold and colorful, for sure.
 
It uses the word "no" a lot. Perhaps Dharman is practicing for being a mod.
 
I have a question for candidates. Let's see their debates.
 
6:51 AM
@manro Do you mean their answers to the questionnaire?
 
@CodyGray nop, my secret question
 
How are the candidates supposed to answer your question if it is a secret?
 
I just answered it aloud, right here.
 
@CodyGray im writing, wait
 
6:56 AM
how many candidates are here?
 
4 nominees are in the room: Daniel Widdis, Zoe, Dharman, and Ryan M
 
Zoe
infiltration intensifies
 
reticulating splines
 
Do you believe in God? If yes - how it will affect at your moderator responsibilities.
God 🙏
 
Hmm. How could it ever affect your moderator responsibilities?
2
 
7:00 AM
You'll need to be more specific in your definition of the deity you reference. It means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. But to get to the second question, I don't think my religious (or otherwise) beliefs would change anything about moderation.
 
I mean, even if God shows up to ask a programming question, I think He would be held to the same standards as everyone else. Frankly, perfection should not be difficult to achieve for one who is divine.
 
to a higher one - a deity should know better
 
Perhaps this might be on-topic at SO?
 
@CodyGray Can God write a program even He cannot debug?
 
@VLAZ Heck, I can do that!
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7:09 AM
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is happening at the moment, and 21156 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@CodyGray You're not omnipotent ...ah
 
It is possible that we are all bugs (or features)
 
Only one candidate could answer
 
@DanielWiddis I have a theological issue with the joke. God and Jesus are one and the same. As in, they are two references to the same entity.
 
I'm glad we're not in the null universe
@VLAZ I have more theological issues with the joke than that, but point taken. :-)
 
7:11 AM
Imagine that politicans will also ignore questions at their debates)
 
@DanielWiddis I see no other problems there.
 
Yeah, that never happens.
 
@manro They...often do.
 
@VLAZ it is bad for their reputation
 
They've literally been elected. And gotten a huge following, too.
 
Zoe
7:15 AM
There's a difference between "could" and "wanted to". Two of the candidates are also AFK AFAIK
 
This is also not theologically accurate but may describe something I might do as a moderator. Or not.
 
Sign in to confirm your age?
 
@Zoe And two other candidates have not ever joined this chat room.
 
Weird. I could see it and I was signed in. But I also some times open videos while signed in and they want me to confirm my age. Only I don't want to do that because I need to supply Google with an actual document like drivers license to confirm it. And I'm not really sure I'm up for that level of commitment.
 
How is that link I posted age restricted? Sheesh.
 
Zoe
7:19 AM
@DanielWiddis Shree has been here
 
I'm not signed in to YouTube. I suppose that's the issue.
@Zoe Oh, great, another userscript. I only have 8192 of those for using SO.
 
@CodyGray are you sure that you are not using SO for using userscripts?
 
It was nice of Jeff to make SO. It finally justified all the userscripts for it.
 
Back when Jeff made SO, we didn't need userscripts for it...
 
We can also ask our dear candidates about vaccination.
 
7:29 AM
What sort of vaccinations are available on Stack Overflow?
 
AstroProgrammeca
 
I have not seen an announcement for that one. What does it do?
 
@manro We are not electing political parties. The election is for the job of a moderator. All you need to know is how good is someone with a delete button :)
 
@manro How does it relate to stackoverflow
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Protect you from the dangers of C# :p
 
7:32 AM
Maybe it helps you C#?
 
@manro Vote to close that question as not related to programming.
 
@Dharman maybe in future you become a politican 😁
New step in your career
 
no I will not
 
@Scratte yes :(
 
as I said I am not interested in politics and I am completely apolitical
 
7:34 AM
@manro they already are:
Oct 15 at 16:03, by Machavity
We already know Dharman represents the Silly Party
 
Now a question about programmatically generating QR codes expected by vaccination-checking apps to get into certain establishments might be on topic. Which ironically I was in another tab doing.
 
@DanielWiddis Writing that question? Generating QR codes to sneak into certain establishments?
I wonder if it counts as rickrolling now, when all you see for the first 5 minutes are YouTube's ads.
 
Let's just say I have a QR code that I'll need where I live in 4 days. I will let you guess whether I hacked it or actually got 3 shots that the QR code indicates.
 
Seattle is now requiring 3 shots?
 
7:38 AM
@DanielWiddis We need QR codes starting today. I already have mine.
 
Nah, I'm just an overachiever.
 
Why does chat have to be political
 
Does it?
 
because people are inherently political beings
 
You're right. We should go back to the normal purpose - making bad jokes.
 
7:40 AM
I haven't a qr because I'm a laborer)
 
Because we are in an "election" chat room? Let's talk about STV and how awesome it is.
 
And never vaccination had
 
Election for a coding community. This shouldn't be political.
 
7:40 AM
pff, have you ever seen an apolitical programmer?
 
Match the candidates with their animal counterparts!
 
politics (n.) the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.
 
Is that Peter Mortensen?
 
I'm sorry to say this, but... The election is happening at the moment, and 21256 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Nobody wants to be a macaco 😁
 
7:45 AM
Pls no fraud in the elections guys
 
Before i go away, when my question will be reopened?) I have already waited for two days 😠
 
You mean your question about moderators' belief in God?
 
@TomJoney sorry, we already have Russians participating :)
 
Any moderator want to play me in chess?
 
shakes 8-ball Reply hazy. Try again.
 
7:46 AM
If you can beat me in chess I'll vote
Wait actually I can't vote
 
^^ We found the fraud!
 
:(
@CodyGray chess?
 
Offering an incentive that you cannot fulfill?
 
Yes.
 
Zoe
 
@manro Looks as though that question is removed
 
@manro That will not (cannot) be reopened, as it's been deleted.
 
OK, I actually need to get some sleep if I have any hope of being productive at work tomorrow. G'nite all... and let me know what animal I get matched up with.
 
Wait who is versing me
 
7:48 AM
@CodyGray no-no, i need one more undele
@CodyGray look
@TomJoney do you will play with rybka?
 
I looked. You asked when it would get reopened. It cannot get reopened, as it has been deleted. Deleted questions cannot be reopened.
 
@TomJoney or with fritz? XD
@CodyGray but can be undeleted)
 
What is fritz/rybka
 
@TomJoney what is your elo?
 
900
How about you bro
 
7:52 AM
@TomJoney i feel a lie
 
No... It is my ELO...
 
What are all these words I've never seen before?
 
ELO = Chess rating
 
It's actually a generic rating mechanism. But I think it's most well-known and used by chess organisations.
 
I didn't know the Electric Light Orchestra was any good at chess.
@VLAZ It seems weird to rank people based on Epoxidized Linseed Oil.
 
7:54 AM
How do you play music without being good at chess?
 
Do you just count the total content by mass, or...?
 
Elo is actually lowercase, lotsa people write it out as ELO
Also Elo is just game rating in general... For e.g, my AOE2 Elo is <redacted>.
 
More seriously, the rating system works by giving you more rating for playing players with higher elo than you, and less if you play against people with less elo than you. You can gain elo just by playing them but winning is better. Conversely, the very highest elo players might lose rating just by playing a lower-elo player.
 
who is bing
 
@VLAZ That seems bunk.
 
7:58 AM
That's generally how it works. I'm not aware of the specifics of how the rating is awarded, just the general gist. Play and win and try to play within around your rank or higher is the idea.
And as Bhagrav says, it's general to games. Dota 2, Leage of Legends, Counter-Strike etc. have also adopted it for match making purposes by trying to get you to play against people with similar skills. Rather than matching extremely high skilled players with very low skilled players.
 
Except when folks freakin smurf ... grrr
In Age of Empires, the top players all have smurf accounts
 
Yeah...it relies on one person maintaining one account. In chess it's usually just you everywhere. Not you under different names and different ratings.
 
So @CodyGray how did you become a good coder ... Because I am newbie and I want to learn how to get better
 
Kinda feel bad that Cody was picked as a good coder and not me..
 
8:04 AM
You can skip the last few steps if you don't want to do it in 21 days. The rest is solid advice.
 
@TomJoney Mostly, I stopped being a bad one.
@VLAZ Oh. I apparently did those things all out of order. Days 7782-14611 came before my days 1-7781.
 
@VLAZ thanks...
Never wanted to learn c++ though but still thanks
 
@CodyGray I think you're still on track to learn C++ in 21 days.
 
@BhargavRao Everyone knows jack o'lanterns are the best coders!
 
@TomJoney It's the same for any language.
 
8:05 AM
@TomJoney Maybe I am not the right person to ask for advice, then! :-)
 
Dammit, time to get that pumpkin costume
 
@BhargavRao whats that?
 
Actually I started to learn c++ 2 weeks ago but its not my primary language
But thank you bro..
 
@VLAZ Ah, you are right. The flux capacitor should be finished in a few days. Or maybe a few years. Possibly a few decades. Does it really matter?
 
@SurajRao When a high skilled player creates a new account just to have an easy time against newbies. That's called "smurfing"
 
8:07 AM
@SurajRao kinda fraud, higher elo players creating new accounts to kill new players, or just intentionally losing a lot of matches to tank your elo.
 
@TomJoney Well, yeah. It cannot possibly be your primary language if you only started learning it 2 weeks ago!! What is your primary language?
 
ah ok similar to sandbagging in chess. except in sandbagging they don't have to create a new account
 
Damn, I like the term sandbagging
Sounds more fun
 
I don't actually know where "smurfing" came from. It's a weird gaming term.
There are other gaming terms but at least I know their origins.
 
@CodyGray kotlin c#
but I m still noob at it
at this languages
 
8:08 AM
@TomJoney I assume those are two different languages? Or is "Kotlin C#" a thing now?
 
@CodyGray sorry, forgot the comma
 
Right, OK.
I used to do C#, a very long time ago. I've probably forgotten most of what I knew.
 
yes I quite .net a year ago
because I wanted to make mobile apps and I realised Xamarin sucks
so I move to native
 
@TomJoney, I'd suggest trying out doing like some small projects in your free time. You just get to learn more about the language.
 
yes I'm working on a pixel art editor in kotlin
 
8:11 AM
I started working on a few projects in Sobotics, which helped me immensely with Java.
 
Native is always better
Always.
 
That's a good start. Try branching out to different languages as you start to get a foothold of a given language.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray And that's why you should use assembly for every project /s
 
@Zoe It ain't hafta be assembly to be native, yar.
But yeah, I do use assembly whenever I get the chance!
 
Must admit, being a mod has kinda drawn me off of contributing to smaller projects
 
8:13 AM
Because you're too busy contributing to this big one? :-)
 
lol, true that.
 
in Xamarin it takes like 20 line to make button text lowercase
 
Errr, what?
String.ToLower
 
No I mean in XAML
For example to make GUI Android Button in Xamarin.Forms lowercase you need to write your own custom renderer
 
Ah. Can't you just type the text in lowercase?
 
8:17 AM
No :(
Now I can cause Im doing native
 
Huh. That sucks.
 
Yes...
 
I don't know, I write my GUI apps in C++ using the Win32 API. So, some things are a bit harder than they should be, but the end result is excellent, native, and blindingly fast. Once you get comfortable with it and/or write enough wrappers, the job is easy enough.
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is happening at the moment, and 21371 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@CodyGray What gui apps do you make
 
8:25 AM
Commercially? A Windows GUI for a data-acquisition system. It interfaces with the data-acquisition hardware, allows configuring the system, acquiring data, plotting/visualizing and analyzing the data, etc. Everything else I do at work is either a command-line user interface, or it doesn't even have a user interface (e.g., firmware, drivers, etc.).
 
Have a question to the candidates: When do you think one should retire from being a mod?
4
 
Oh nice, isn't Qt also good for c++
 
Qt isn't native, so I don't care for it.
 
Arent desktop apps dead though
isn't it all web/mobile today
 
No?
 
Web apps have terrible usability and horrible performance. They also suffer from a fatal flaw that they don't work when you aren't connected to the web...
 
Well I don't know, most people don't use desktop apps.
 
I don't know who these "most people are". I use them every day, and so does everyone else I know.
 
Yeah but it's mostly applications that are very well known
There is not an entry point for hobbyists
 
Why not?
 
Well I used to use WPF
For desktop dev
I guess it's cool but how would you advertise your app
Because the microsoft store is basically dead
 
@CodyGray Thx, cody, if you did that
 
What did I do?
WPF isn't great
 
Hey o
 
But yeah, I don't and wouldn't necessarily focus on distributing apps in the Microsoft Store.
 
8:29 AM
@BhargavRao This is actually a very good question.
 
@CodyGray don't you, ok.
 
Well then, say I would create a C++/C# native desktop app, how could I get people to see it?
 
OK!
@TomJoney How would you get people to see anything you created?
Don't blame the platform because you don't have a distribution system!
 
Guys, thanks to that, who did that 💪
 
Ok, apologies bro... Much respect to you as a developer
 
8:31 AM
You don't need to apologize to me
 
I will respectfully disagree with you
@CodyGray Alright
* I meant I will respectfully disagree with you as in I think desktop apps are dead, but I respect your opinion
 
Desktop apps are still head and shoulders above any alternative
 
@CodyGray Deleted questions can absolutely be reopened. They don't even need to be undeleted first. Though it requires enough 10k users to find your deleted question and hit the button.
 
@RyanM They aren't going to get reviewed for deletion, though. And... it's pointless?
(Well, I said that too quickly. There are so many bugs in the review system right now that I think deleted questions actually are getting reviewed. But, you know...)
 
@CodyGray s/deletion/reopening/?
I mean, they also won't be reviewed for deletion, but that's also just not a thing, so I suspect it's not what you meant :-)
 
8:34 AM
I have a dream, that one day people will actually review the delete queue.
 
@RyanM Yeah, yeah. Too many things going on at once. Why bother making sense to people who can already read my mind? :-)
 
Vote to reopen desktop apps
 
No. Just no
 
That's another question for the candidates: Do you review the latest delete/undelete votes on the sites? If yes, what do you look in them to add your vote?
4
 
I'll stick to web apps and mobile ;)
 
8:38 AM
i have a question about the user stats.. i just randomly picked a candidate in the list and did some math.... according to the stats the candidate has done 38,90410959 edits, flags, votes, reviews every single day in his time on stackoverflow. When I just use the number of reviews the stats suggest that there has been more than 2 reviews per day. Ive done some reviews and edits and when you do it right, the numbers seem impossible... am i misinterpreting something?
 
Where are you seeing those stats?
 
@ohcibi You can't mix together edits, flags, votes, and reviews.
 
doesnt matter each number on their own seems impossible already @CodyGray
 
The advantage of being able to reopen deleted questions is that it allows 10k users to cast both a reopen and undelete vote together, resulting in the question being simultaneously reopened and undeleted without an extra round of voting (as happened with @manro's question).
 
so my question remains even if we seperate the numbers
 
8:40 AM
Do you guys use Git GUI or CMD?
Is it ok If I use Git GUI in Andriod Studio as a developer
 
@BhargavRao there is a message about the election and when you click on it there is a list of candidates and their motivations and such.. the stats are listed there
 
@ohcibi Dharman runs a bot that does automatic edits about common problems. It's not hard to get high edit stats with that. Also does automatic flagging of comments that are easily identifiable as needing to be flagged. Votes are also not hard if you review posts actively all the time.
 
@TomJoney Command-line git along with tig. And occasionally a visual tool to view history.
@TomJoney of course! that's why it's there :-)
 
How do I get people to see my GitHub repository bro @RyanM can you suggest tips
 
There is also a project run by volunteers that combats spam by casting user flags on it automatically. Anybody can sign up and their flags will be used by the system.
 
8:42 AM
@ohcibi Why? You can vote 40 times per day, and do 40 reviews per day per queue (I think?).
@TomJoney It's OK if you use whatever makes your job easier as a developer!
 
@CodyGray either 20, 40, or 60 depending on both the queue and how full it is
 
@VLAZ thanks for the explanation... so i was partly right, the numbers are faked but not necessarily with a bad attitude.. i wouldn't list those stats for the election in that case tbh
 
Personally, I prefer Git Extensions for Windows. I find it hard to use anything else.
 
@TomJoney No idea, sorry.
 
Reviews aren't that hard, either. As long as you find the motivation for it. I used to hit the review cap per day but it wasn't sustainable for me.
 
8:43 AM
@CodyGray i don't see your point. I can click a billion likes on facebok every day, still I don't do it
 
@CodyGray do you have any tips how I can advertise my GitHub repository to find contributors
 
but I got my answer... thanks
 
@ohcibi Why would you consider flags being raised by an automated system to be "faked"? These flags still contribute meaningfully to the improvement of the site.
 
Zoe
I use terminal git the vast majority of the time
 
Someone who takes the time to build tools to improve the site... that shows a lot of dedication, doesn't it?
 
8:44 AM
There's always sobotics (room chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/111347/sobotics), if you want to manually raise flags. ;p
 
@ohcibi I wouldn't say it's bad at all. Dharman is clearly invested enough to automate common tasks about moderation. Because there is a lot of these.
 
@Zoe Have you ever tried tig? It's amazing for tig status alone in terms of the workflow improvement for staging files.
in fact, that's pretty much the only part I use...
 
Shree is also involved in automation. I know Zoe was making an editing bot, as well, I'm not sure where her project is at.
 
I've never even heard of tig. I need to check that out.
 
Zoe
@RyanM I haven't, no
 
@VLAZ Stack Apps
 
Zoe
@VLAZ It's kinda usable, but I'm mainly trying to gather more patterns, which has stalled the project
 
@Zoe My point was that several moderator nominees are involved with automated improvement of the platform. Which reminds me - Ryan is involved with Charcoal, too. So, overall that shows great dedication from these users.
Not trying to imply the rest are probably less dedicated. I'm saying how to interpret these visible efforts.
 
I personally have performed every action by hand, even when I have scripts to make it faster when doing so :-)
Which is not a knock on the candidates who use more automation: that's great, too.
 
Except that mods are expected to perform every action by hand, so... actually doing it by hand is good training.
 
8:50 AM
And of course, bots like Smoke Detector to tell me where to look.
 
Back in the day, there was no automation except Andy's comment flagger.
I did all my moderation by hand
Spent hours and hours trying to clean the site ... but failed because the load was heavy.
There were some 3 of us focusing on late answers, 300 flags per day ... and yet we used to miss a lot. :\
 
how many users are eligible to vote?
 
834,920 users are eligible to vote in the election.
 
Plus, all the time that was wasted going uphill both ways through the snow
 
Zoe
how many users get brownies after voting? Asking for a friend
 
8:53 AM
how many users voted so far
 
Based on the number of Constituent badges awarded, 21444 users have voted so far.
 
@Zoe Anybody who votes is eligible to participate in the brownies lottery.
 
Zoe
I mean, I have brownies in the freezer :P
 
@Zoe 0, but everyone gets cookies
 
Zoe
Good cookies?
 
8:54 AM
@Zoe Yeah, those would be lottaried.
I thought you were told that you're donating your brownies.
 
Frozen brownies?
 
@Zoe depends on their cookie preferences
 
Are there bad cookies?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Oreos.
 
WHAT?!
 
8:56 AM
@CodyGray There are evil cookies.
 
Fridges
 
Zoe
reminds me
 
Mint Oreos are even better than the regular
But have you tried the banana Oreos they had one time? OMG. Amazing.
 
Zoe
ew
 
Sounds very American.
 
8:58 AM
@RyanM Thx, for undelete, i have achieved already two votes up. I must rewrite yet one question and will be good, i believe.
 
Probably!
What's more American than mass-produced sweets?
 
What confuses me about Oreos is why are there so many of them. Everywhere. In everything. They aren't that bad but...there are better. And people make Oreo cakes and stuff when I'm pretty sure just getting the plain ingredients is much cheaper.
 
Zoe
@E_net4thecandidatesupporter Or that other country in there, Taxes or Texas or something
 
Reminds me of a sci-fi story where some guys find a machine that produces some material. But they can't stop it. And try to pawn off the production everywhere they can.
 
8:59 AM
@manro You're welcome. It was much improved.
 
Zoe
@E_net4thecandidatesupporter :D
 
@VLAZ Dr. Seuss's The Sneetches?
 

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