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9:00 PM
@cmb Ooooo that would explain why it's MIA. Thank you.
 
@Tiffany ??
 
@mega6382 I responded to the email on mailing list, but it looks like I top posted in Gmail app. Top posting is frowned upon.
 
@Tiffany Shame! rings bell
 
Tiffany, you're overall self-critical again. Ts ts.
:)
 
@hakre I'm my own worst enemy
 
9:04 PM
Just wait till you're responding to each point in turn on the main internals list and the whole thing becomes utterly unreadable xD
 
That would be a nightmare to even attempt from the mobile app...
That is, attempting to respond to individual points in-line
 
@Tiffany ohh
 
I need to rest my leg a bit, I've been a tad too active today and it's becoming sore, hence doing everything from mobile, yay
Lymphedema praecox is bollocks
 
@MarkR Remi did that release. He probably just missed a step. I can push a branch to match the tag.
 
@Sara Thankyouuuu (although CMB mentioned it had no commits because it was a windows exclusive thing)
 
9:09 PM
@Tiffany nah, my english is just bad, should have been overly.
 
@hakre I think it still works, a bit weird but it works.
 
oh my english is really bad then.
but fine if it somehow works. I prefer code and have discovered psalm recently. and I must admit I had some astonishing moments.
 
@hakre i mean the word it not right, but it doesn't take anything away from the sentence.
@Tiffany it wen't straight to my spam, and I also noticed that many of the internals are also there for some reason.
 
@mega6382 yeah, Gmail is really weird about the mailing lists... some people get sent to spam, some don't... I had to set up rules to make sure all mailing list email didn't go to spam
 
OH! RIGHT!
I remember why that was was odd
Still though, no harm giving it a branch
 
9:14 PM
But I also have a rule set up that internals mail bypasses my inbox and goes into its own folder, then I look at it when I want to
Phpdocs still goes to inbox though
 
guess I'll have to do the same thing
 
@Sjon Quick preview doesn't work on 3v4l.org right now. I see a JS error in the console (Cannot read property 'forEach' of undefined). Also, ironically, there's an error trying to log that error ^^ (405 from the server)
 
There's a lot of internals mail, which is why I set it up to bypass inbox. Phpdocs list isn't as bad.
 
@MarkR Okay, the branch exists now
 
@Sara Ta.
 
9:18 PM
@Tiffany the internals goes in the forums category for me, so that is not a problem, I just have to make sure it doesn't go to spam anymore.
 
Woof. FF coming up. Better send out a reminder in the morning.
 
@mega6382 okay, fine then. :) just wanted to pad @Tiffany's shoulder a bit.
 
lol :P
 
@IluTov I've blocked a lot of stuff and as working earlier this day, I didn't press "quick preview" but just entering var_dump(); shows the live preview just fine (right now for me, chromium something)...
 
@Sara elated? Mainly cause no more last-minute RFCs? :P
 
9:22 PM
@Sara what does FF stand for? It's not firefox, right?
 
Feature freeze
 
@hakre I tried both Firefox and Chrome, works on neither. No adblocker or anything.
@hakre What do you mean by live preview? Is that something I don't know about? There's just the button "Quick preview" with the php version dropdown.
The eval button works just fine.
 
@IluTov there's a checkbox for it on bottom left
 
@mega6382 oh cool, yeah that one does work +1
Oh, also JIT is gone from the preview options :(
 
@IluTov live preview is just entering some code, e.g. the mentioned var_dump();into the text-box and the some spinner is there and shows the live-preview below (tab "live preview"; "Live-preview Output for php 7.4.0")
 
9:30 PM
@hakre Yeah got that. Wanted to test something on PHP 8.0 with JIT but there's no option for that in the dropdown anymore.
 
The "eval" button also works for me, it's reloading and then shows some more (all versions that are stable and above (alphas etc.))
@IluTov you have to go to branches, it has 8.0 and 8.0 with jit
ah no, not any longer. was a couple of hours ago, now it's just master.
 
@Tiffany Structure organization is very desirable. :)
 
I guess master is now with jit.
 
@hakre I don't see master o.O
 
@Sjon could help you guys with that, maybe he is working on it right now or something.
 
9:35 PM
@IluTov after "eval" btn click, I just clicked "Branches" tab and it shows "Output for branch master".
 
@mega6382 Yeah I pinged him above.
@hakre Ah ok. Yeah I doubt "master" means "master + JIT"
 
@IluTov I honestly don't know. Interesting, maybe @mega6382 is right and this is just very, very fresh on the go.
Can confirm jit was there let's say three hours ago.
btw. was wondering how to create a docker image with many PHP versions in there.
was considering to create some PHP 5.3 baseline image and then was surprised by myself if I would really want to do that. But I only have a very crappy PHP 5.3 based docker image at hand and I want to do some integration testing.
 
@hakre just like you would on your system/server, just download the sources and compile them in separate folders inside the image or something.
 
@hakre As Tiff repled; feature freeze. Second only to GA (General Availability) in terms of stress,
 
@mega6382 yes, that something like that in mind but then was like just, well, never done that. and then having some useful tips to put the versions alongside on the same system. I mean it's not a distro where you have these great people like Sury or Remi just at your side that take care of all the packaging.
 
9:40 PM
@Tpojka is that just internals mail you have? Or all mail?
 
@Sara stress, no stress please.
And yes, GA sounds marvelous. - feature freeze (FF) is pushy as it makes deadlines.
 
@Sara I thought it meant fast forward, cause you guys were talking about git :D
 
@Tiffany Amount of Gmail folders. I think no mails go into Inbox anymore.
 
@Tpojka oh wow. I had about over 20ish folders in Outlook in my former job, and I found that I only paid attention to a handful, so I ended up removing most of them.
 
@hakre yes, it will be hard to find all of them pre-packaged, and they might conflict with each other too.
 
9:42 PM
I think I ended up with around six or so when I was done.
 
@mega6382 I'm somehow under the impression that 3v4l has them all side-by-side but I might be wrong. Maybe those are all statically compiled?
And btw. could it be that Phpunit writes temporary php.ini files (in /tmp/XXXXX) when running phpt tests? (and not cleans them up? [guess otherwise I would not have noticed])
 
@hakre yeah, I have always wondered that myself, and he probably has some sandboxing "tools" too, that allows him to restrict what can and can cannot be executed and provides analytical data as well.
 
@Tiffany I receive daily couple of hundreds of emails from various subscriptions and it's enough for me to see where it is from. More than 90% of them I don't open. Hidden level: color your labels (background and font) into color of website sends mail to it and it will be way easier to conclude what it is. Another benefit is that when you want to delete something you go to certain folder and delete lot of it there (probably all but register mail). ;)
 
@mega6382 Sure, at least. E.g I think remote requests are not possible at all - for good reason.
Okay let's just praise @Sjon .
 
@Tpojka I also hide my Gmail behind a Google domain for some registrations because I don't trust them to not sell my info. It's an easy way to keep track if it is sold to some third-party.
 
9:48 PM
@hakre yeah definitely, he has created something really incredible, I use it whenever I want to test out an idea, or when I am answering on SO, and want to provide a demo or test my solution.
 
I just use the name of the service as the email address :P
 
@mega6382 yes the urls are really persistent. just one of the marvelous properties. I use phpstorm a lot, so first of all I try out things of lower level in a scratch file and when fine, there is this action to put it to 3v4l.org - just nice.
 
@Sara Unimplemented RFCs from 2011, lol. Don't they almost need a revote?
 
@mega6382 and for all the code links I didn't post to 3v4l.org, they are normally gone :)
 
@Tiffany I didn't have problems with that so far. If you are afraid or suspect some service you want to register is shady, use one of those one time mail registration. Or just open another gmail for that case.
 
9:53 PM
@hakre yeah, that is very annoying, you provide some reference and if its goes away, people start commenting and you can't even remember what it originally said. But I think 3v4l will stay as it is mainly powered by donations and if @Sjon ever stops maintaining it, I am sure there are many who will be able to maintain it.
 
@Tpojka registering for a new Gmail is a lot of work, adding it behind my Google domain is simple enough I taught a non-techy person how to do it in a few screenshots, lol
Plus I sometimes make fake google accounts to log into mobile games so I can annoy other players with random buildings in the world map, and I'm about at the point where Google wants my phone number in order to make another Gmail account :S
 
@Tpojka yeah, I use 10 minute mail whenever I don't want to use my actual email.
 
@Tiffany That's different thing, you have agenda to annoy players. I am not smart what to advice there. :P
 
I've been staring at the same ~100 lines of JIT code for like 3 hours and I can't figure out what's wrong :(
 
@IluTov maybe share it, someone here can probably help you out
 
10:05 PM
@mega6382 I saw it once. Used maybe once I don't remember really. If I have to register somewhere that is not looking good from security perspective I use rubish password like 'hweg82948h94hgowiehgo9389h249owhegowehgo' and log in over forgot password link. Not much that kind of sites these days. I remember some sites that didn't use SSL and were sending password in plain text to mailbox.
 
@mega6382 well nothing is for eternity. so this is Sjon doing a very good job (and I guess being a very fine person). I can't imagine someone else can easily do the same.
 
@hakre yeah, maybe it will be added to php project and the core team can take over or something
 
@mega6382 I guess that's an extra service. The core team has a plan on how to out-date old versions ... ;) - for good reason. btw. why not backport the phar meta-date rfc to earlier versions .... .
 
@Tpojka I once signed up at a site, it looked pretty bad, but it was official site of some pretty big company(can't remember which), and I used my usual password and then they sent it over to me in email, and I had to abandon that password everywhere.
 
@mega6382 hopefully with a password manager turning 1:1 into 1:n.
 
10:10 PM
@mega6382 I can imagine. Mailtrap could be fair for registration purposes I think.
 
@mega6382 This is the code in question github.com/php/php-src/pull/5922/commits/… This test fails: github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/ext/opcache/tests/match/… With the 1 not being printed and last jump jumping into random memory. It seems to be an off by one error but I have no idea why. The almost equivalent works for switch.
 
@Tpojka oh, that seems cool
 
@IluTov this reminds me to inline assembler somehow.
 
@hakre you might very well think that, I couldn't possibly comment ;P
 
@mega6382 when there was the yahoo leak it caught me, but I only noticed somewhat later, maybe the known eight month period. this is all so much a mess with all the leaks. any data you enter into internet should be considered published the later or earlier.
 
10:17 PM
Yeah, I check my email and password in hibp every once in a while to know if my info has been leaked recently
 
@mega6382 Unfortunately no in free use account. Just checked.
 
ohh :(
 
No other option than using your own mail. :P
 
maybe just create one extra gmail account for such purposes and just check it for confirmation emails and don't use it for anything else
 
@IluTov I don't know why (I write this), but wasn't there some trampoline in PHP? I might be totally way off but as you comment on random jump-points for return ...
 
10:20 PM
Good night all.
 
\o
 
@Tpojka night.
 
Great, so adding a sub r0, sizeof(void*) makes the test succeed, but also makes all the others fail xD Anyway, I need sleep. See you guys tomorrow.
 
@hakre __call uses a trampoline.
 
10:36 PM
@LeviMorrison what does trampoline mean btw? similar to tail recursion but on invocation?
(if so then it would not be related to return I guess)
 
I don't understand it well enough to give you more detailed info, sorry.
 
Well, bum. I tried to run my codebase on 8 alpha 3 but pecl doesn't have the redis client built
 
@MarkR thx.
@LeviMorrison thx.
@MarkR Isn't there a PHP userspace shim for redis?
 
10:57 PM
there's phpredis
 
@MarkR but that is the PHP extension, isn't it? I was more thinking about actual PHP code having the same interface.
 
err sorry I was thinking of predis, phpredis is what I'm using.
 
hmm, predis is PHP code only, so it should not require pecl AFAIK, maybe b/c it might make use of phpredis?
so disabling phpredis might solve it already?
or I just got it wrong, too. faking phpredis on top of predis might be an option though.
 
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