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12:38 AM
@DaveRandom are you still awake?
 
 
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1:50 AM
@beberlei Castor is one of your customers? :P
(looking at a job posting, they list Tideways as their monitoring platform)
 
 
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5:11 AM
hello again ... about concept of Model-view-controller pattern ... i understand that it is done for separation of info ... backend - middle man - frontend ... but then css files are they going to VIEW or seprate file like Lib
and how about some js file which some are for frontend but others like ajax are for middle man
how to go about organizing css and js files under this concept ??
any input will be appreciated :)
 
5:43 AM
@AliZadeh CSS and js files simply organize under public directory i mean the one which is your do root for http server. Static files are just a front-end a sort of resources the browser need to properly render the html your view generates
 
@Tiffany yes they are a customer :)
 
then how about ajax
ajax is not Static
but it is js
fare enough all my php are in Model : class database {} ... all my cruds are in Controller : class crud extends database {} ... all my pages and staff under View ... ????
so now i will have Lib and put my js and my css inside it
 
6:06 AM
That will give you a better idea.
 
then where must i put my ajax files
@SalOrozco :)))))) you are a super star .... going to read and practice it ... thank you so much all for bearing with me .
 
Buy the book goes into more detail.
 
 
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8:16 AM
morns
 
@DaveRandom i agree! We can find out the details when the RFC will become relevant 🙂
 
 
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11:06 AM
@cmb Did you not say something about uint64_t being gone away with on Windows?
 
11:38 AM
@ircmaxell @NikiC is php-yacc still maintained? %{ ... %} seems to call an undefined method. I'd fix this myself but not sure whether anyone is going to review my PR and pull it
 
11:59 AM
@AliZadeh It's separation of concerns mostly and how they play together
But you would do better forgetting about whatever you think is mvc and just purely focus on separation of concerns
mvc is nonsense when it comes to php and the web
It's definitely not related to how you structure your directories
Morgens all o/
 
 
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1:07 PM
@moliata It's used by PHP-Parser, but you may need to provide a different template
 
Sooooo.....for this evening so far no one hasn't volunteered to give a lightning talk. That probably means either more listening to me drone on, or just a shorter streaming bit. Chatting will be at whereby.com/danack streaming will be at youtube.com/c/BaseReality/live .
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cmb
@Derick did I? Are you perhaps referring to ulong and uint, which are removed as of PHP 7.4.0?
 
1:43 PM
@NikiC Can you explain to me what next_opline, exit_point, fallback_label and default_label mean (in relation to the switch JIT and JIT tracing)?
 
 
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2:45 PM
@cmb Yes, that I think. Thanks for jossling my memory
@NikiC Can I try to bug you once more for a recording for namespace tokens? :-)
@Danack And are you feeling better for a recording on Monday you think? :-)
 
@Derick yeah, though I still need to get some notes together to not say 'um' 5 millions times.
 
@Danack Happy to talk about something, but I won't have slides.
@Danack Thanks! I am well trained spotting these in wave forms now too :-)
 
wave forms? like in audio editing software?
 
yes
I know how PHP looks like too
 
lol
 
2:47 PM
Neeeeeerd!
 
It's just another language.
 
when you work with so much data, you notice patterns
not really exclusive to audio files...
 
@Danack 15:30 on MOnday? :-)
@Tiffany Oh sure.
 
@Derick does accent matter that much when detecting the wave form?
 
Can't say really
 
3:07 PM
@Derick a bit later like 4? Need to take some boxes somewhere are 3, and will need to get breath back.
 
yes, 4 is fine too
Actually, no
I am streaming 15:30 to 17:00 so s15:30 didn't work either
sorry
Earlier in the day?
 
2?
 
that's great
 
3:49 PM
@NikiC (2 weeks later) ha I'm getting this error too while trying to run PHPUnit tests for some packages on PHP 8. Should I open a bug or is that not necessary?
My bad, I suck at this chat. Here is the error message that you mentioned: ParseError: syntax error, unexpected token "match".
 
Didn't Nikita update PHP Parser to handle this?
 
Is it a PHP Parser bug? I don't think I have it installed in the project I'm working on (unless PHPUnit installs it, but I would doubt that)
 
Well I might be wrong, but I thought it was something to do with PHP Parser not handling PHP 8 correctly yet
So he worked on it after that
But again, don't take my word on it :D
 
Right, I double-checked and it's not installed in my project.
 
@Girgias Nope, it's still open: github.com/nikic/PHP-Parser/issues/690 We're staying on php-parser v4.6.0 for now.
 
3:56 PM
Huh
Should be fixed relatively soon I imagine as FF is on Tuesday
 
Thanks! I don't understand at all, I don't have `nikic/php-parser` in my project :/
Furthermore, the stack trace points to that line: https://github.com/mnapoli/phpunit-easymock/blob/58a361efdd0edaeea30ffac99a210ee529f8e3a3/src/EasyMock.php#L66 Go figure, there is no `match` name anywhere in the file or even the project…
 
@MatthieuNapoli PHPStan bundles php-parser in a phar file so you won't find it in the vendor directory.
There's a phar version of psalm too, but I don't think that's the default.
 
Good point! Though the project only requires phpunit/phpunit… Just to be sure, when I run vendor/bin/phpunit it doesn't include the global Composer autoloader right? (that could be it, but AFAIK it shouldn't include it)
Oh PHPUnit has a interface Match in the PHPUnit\Framework\MockObject\Builder namespace, maybe that's it!
… it's not included (added a die() in the file to check, it's not called).
 
Every time @Danack says um we can do a shot! \o/
@Danack I was already shouting in there hoping if I would shout loud enough you would hear me :(
 
4:13 PM
@PeeHaa there's no one else there... it shows in the top left corner how many people are in the room
 
What's the location btw @Danack ?
 
3 hours ago, by Danack
Sooooo.....for this evening so far no one hasn't volunteered to give a lightning talk. That probably means either more listening to me drone on, or just a shorter streaming bit. Chatting will be at https://whereby.com/danack streaming will be at https://www.youtube.com/c/BaseReality/live .
 
cheers
 
4:44 PM
Good timing @MatthieuNapoli. I think I just broke externals?
:P
 
@PeeHaa I'm on it ^^ It should be good in 30 seconds, if my new commit does the job
 
\o/
 
I'm trying to migrate externals to PHP 8, which led me to this endless fixing of dependencies (which is good in the end)
I'm cooking a flan in parallel, which doesn't help fixing things fast ;)
 
Priorities. Focus on the flan first ;-)
 
4:49 PM
@cmb oh THANK YOU! I'm not going insane then. I somehow managed to miss this while searching.
@PeeHaa It should be good now.
 
yay
Actually no
First thing I see yet again "[RFC] [Discussion] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change "
closes tab
 
@PeeHaa Woops maybe that's an accidental DB restore from 6 month ago?
 
I wish :P
 
5:05 PM
@StatikStasis we are streaming. This is your time to shine!
 
5:24 PM
@DaveRandom where are you?
 
5:58 PM
for anyone who wants to join the chatter chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/50099648#50099648
 
 
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7:15 PM
Is this only about php?
 
yeah pretty much
 
7:35 PM
@Ocramius want to come tell us the best feature coming in php8?
 
Thank you guys and girls. Great session. :)
 
@Danack union types
not much else that is super-interesting, tbh
yes, there have been a lot of features, but none that is "woah" as much as union types
 
@Ocramius hey, attributes are pretty "woah" :p
 
@moliata meh, they are cool, but they did already exist in userland :)
 
7:46 PM
@moliata they are pretty meh, union types and named params are much better
 
@Ocramius good point
@bwoebi idk, IMO named params aren't that much of a deal, never really needed them but having first-class attributes is pretty useful
 
[little_woah]I wonder of how much people will benefit from single string token treated namespace but I'll finally be able to use singular for use In\Your\Face\Php\Trait'; instead Traits.[/little_woah]
 
@Ocramius about goddamn time
 
8:51 PM
@Girgias Sorry for the gazillion of conflicts in ext/openssl :)
 
9:03 PM
@PeeHaa tf is a colorball?
 
@MateKocsis it's fine
I knew that I was going to need to deal with it
 
9:45 PM
@moliata you don't miss named params until you use a language that has them
then you're like "how did I never have that before?!"
 
I loathe them from Python
Because any API is just a big function with a bazillion arguments
Does someone understand wtf is meant in this comment: github.com/php/php-src/pull/5341#issuecomment-667592058
 
10:09 PM
@Girgias looks like Markov chain output to me
 
Might well be
@MateKocsis I will need you to check on the OpenSSL PR when I finished rebasing it, cause I'm scared that it decided to yeet stuff away
 
does anyone with more confidence in the integrity of their system want to check the files from github.com/php/web-bugs/pull/79#issuecomment-653526400 ?
 
Oh same thing which spammed my PR
Can someone block that account to post on PHP related projects on GH?
 
10:25 PM
lol
@Danack yeah, no confidence github.com/boomtow?tab=projects
 
contact slightly deranged ships mind like typing detected
 
wat, I tried googling part of that statement to see if it was a reference I was missing but... unless it's intended to be word soup and I wooshed myself
 
10:42 PM
@Girgias Sure, I can do it tomorrow!
 
well I'm pushing it now so sure
 
tomorrow = after sleeping :) (it's already tomorrow here ^^)
 
Fair :p, good night then :p
 
@Tiffany Iain Banks sci-fi books are good but hard to summarise: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture#Minds
 
11:10 PM
We should do that again cc @Ekin @PeeHaa @MarkR @Danack @Derick
 
great I'm not invited :(
 
And @Girgias, but you didn't turn on a camera :P
 
@Tiffany Well I don't have a webcam lol
 
@PeeHaa talking about "callables," and @Danack, @MarkR and I keep hearing "colorballs"
@Girgias didn't you watch Danack's talk? You can use your phone :P
 
@Tiffany My phone has a shait camera
 
11:14 PM
Better than none
 
And my DSLR is in France currently
And if I'm in France I don't have the bandwith for video chat
 
Bring your DSLR to the UK?
 
Well I didn't do it this time around cause I was only going to be here for 2-3 weeks :') but usually I take it with me :')
 
Ahhh
Next time then :)
 
11:43 PM
I've edited some RFCs under wiki.php.net/rfc#php_80 to change their statuses to "Implemented" in their headers :)
And added it to wiki.php.net/rfc/howto as items 8.5 and 8.6
 

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