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12:45 AM
Twitter just announced full remote for all its employees.
 
1:15 AM
hi all
 
hey MB
 
How are you doing?
 
good, can't sleep so I'm preparing for a Java certification
what about you ?
 
i reported my second bug! bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211822
 
1:31 AM
@Chulo Can't sleep cause I am rewriting my thesis
isn't it better to have some sleep for your java certification? Your brain works better after rest
 
as I'm in partial unemployment my sleep habit is broken
@MwBakker good luck!
 
@Chulo thank you, you too!
It's good to have company though
You are living in spain right? Means we are both here at 3:30 ish
 
France
 
Ah well still striking midnight oil the same way
 
haha
in which city you are in Spain ?
 
1:44 AM
I'm dutch haha
So you are planning to go the whole night?
 
ah I see :)
@MwBakker nope I will spleep by 5h
 
And then when do you wake up?
 
1pm
and you ?
 
I wont
I will sleep the next night
 
1:57 AM
Haha I know why I sleep
But I also know why I skip it for tonight and that has a superiour reason for now
 
I see I thought about this (superiour reason)
 
you have the same reason for lacking your sleep
 
indeed
 
but you can't sleep due to nerves or don't you know the stuff well enough yet
 
@MwBakker is it a question ?
 
2:07 AM
it is a question
 
I just tried to sleep and couldn't make it
 
2:43 AM
Imagine failing at something you spend roughly 30% of your life practicing for
 
2:57 AM
Random mammal nocturne greeting
How's everything going around this weird chat?
 
bad, i have to do a fake ted talk for school
 
Why fake?
Raghav likes chocolate... Maybe he can help
 
 
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7:37 AM
o/
 
8:05 AM
\o
 
8:29 AM
o/
 
8:42 AM
that was another night
im now at the point my jaw is shaking of the ritalin
But I am still awake
 
did you deliver at least?
@MwBakker are you joking or are really doping yourself with that stuff?
 
Wish I was joking, but it's an all or nothing situation now
at least till thursdaynight it is, then the hardest part should be over
 
don't do that... studies shouldn't require all that
 
Good morning everyone. :)
 
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8:46 AM
morning Rakesh
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Read . Thank you
 
Please try again
 
@Mehdi I agree they shouldn't
 
@Mehdi , How are you, bro?
 
8:55 AM
I am doing well, thank you. How about you?
 
@Mehdi , I am fired
Actively looking for job
 
Sorry to hear :/
because of the covid?
 
Maybe. They mentioned almost those things. Which was never done before
 
Good luck, man. Hope you find a job you like very soon!
 
Thanks a lot. :)
How is work and life going these days?
 
9:02 AM
quite stressful but can't complain :)
 
No issue. I can understand and lots of office work doing than used to do at the office
 
9:25 AM
@John I revoked your access because you left before reading the rules
 
Tim
@Graeme interesting, we are doing curse of strahd as well :) but only few sessions in
 
 
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10:45 AM
This was the most starred message last year on this day:
May 14 '19 at 11:58, by WarrenFaith
Lucky me: Now I can slap someone in this room even in RL :D
 
 
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1:14 PM
Random greeting different from ribbit
 
Tim
1:28 PM
lol
 
hahahaha
 
1:53 PM
o/
 
Tim
sup nerd
 
I'm fine but that feeling is most definitly artificial
how about you?
 
Tim
yeah
5
 
you are doing 'yeah' ?
 
Tim
2:14 PM
yep
 
interesting đŸ¤”
 
he he he
 
I like that
"How are you doing?" - "yes" it's the perfect answer to immediatly get on someone's nerves
not mine though,ritalin already took all my nerves
 
loving that sub, thanks
I had a tinder match recently that asked "give me your best opening line"
Not even 3 minutes later I got unmatched
 
2:29 PM
oh ritalin
<3
 
@MwBakker could have been worse, as in getting unmatched 1 minute earlier :D
 
Tim
"give me your best opening line"
get off your high horse, bitch. Unmatched from my end
 
I am not that alpha, I actually gave her a line but I am not the right person to be asked that
@Mauker I am worried about the side effects though, but a good grade will fix most of the depression I guess
 
Tim
I mean to say that girls that expect me to seduce them while they sit on their golden throne to be worshipped are not the kind I would want to date
 
@Mehdi yeah already broke my personal record :D
 
2:39 PM
@Tim same feeling bro
 
@Tim I agree, but I was just looking for hook ups
I did get a hiccup though, so there is that
 
Tim
oh ok, then carry on
 
probably from drinking too much Rivella, that drink is made by angels or such I dk
 
2:54 PM
@Tim same actually, pains me to see some guys thinking it's normal to behave like clowns
 
Tim
this is the whole concept of tinder, from what I've seen/heard of it
 
@Mehdi simp
 
Tim
he insulted you, ban him medhi :DD
 
I'm just kidding ofc, he knows that
 
Tim
 
3:00 PM
Oh no.. * flashbacks intensifies *
 
Tim
cries in nothingness
 
the only void now is your definition of power here
 
Tim
:(
 
:D
 
@Tim hahaha
 
3:12 PM
hey guys!
 
Tim
hey guy
 
hey g
 
hey
 
hi
 
k.
 
3:17 PM
@CarlAnderson so good <3
 
:D
How's everyone doin?
 
Tim
yeah
 
3:34 PM
nice man, same here
 
hey bb o/
 
heya jibs
 
hows life liberty and the pursuit of happiness going?
 
I need mah freedum! ma libertay is taken away from meh
I'm decent man
 
some people work hard for their stars, and tim just gets em for a simple "yeah"
 
3:45 PM
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@ballBreaker i'm artificially good
but reality will kick in after thursdaynight and boy am I looking forward to that
 
4:10 PM
I can't believe he ignored you mwb, plain didn't bother checking how his buddy mwb is feeling :/
 
no worries, I feel like being in an alternate reality anyway
 
o/
 
\o
 
4:46 PM
My teacher gave me a day extra to deliver the thesis
Or "gave me" appearantly one week to work on the thesis' feedback is usually a week and a few days he said
 
good luck!
what's your thesis about?
 
5:00 PM
About automating GUI testing on an application of the company
 
nice nice
android app?
 
no WPF
 
@MwBakker what does this mean haha
 
what's that m8
 
it means I took ritalin the last few days, skipped a night thus should feel like shit but I feel fine
and that might be due to the ritalin or due to coffee
 
5:04 PM
lmao ritalin
crack in pill-form
Why are you all hopped up on the R ?
 
Am not
Coffee is my fuel, but the side effect of coffee is a possible increase of energy with loss of focus
Ritalin is increase of energy while maintaining focus as it seems
 
what is the purpose of the ritalin ?
why u taking it?
 
To help people calm who have ADD or ADHD
 
I used to have that shit prescribed and took it everyday
yeah but why are you on it, right now?
 
For me it's just a fase, I won't use it anymore after delivering my thesis
Because I am in a all or nothing situation
 
5:07 PM
is automating GUI worth it? I feel like for most projects the time to create GUI tests exceed just testing it manually.
 
performance enhancing drugs!!
I approve
 
My thesis has the content, but the storyline was not good nor was naming the sources the info came from
 
also if you miss something you need to test it anyway
 
Which meant basically rewriting the whole thing and matching the sources
a shitload of work that I had to put my full focus on so I booked a hotel and locked myself in thinking I had no distractions
But I forgot about Tinder
 
5:27 PM
lol uninstall tinder
 
no
they keep me awake while striking midnight oil
 
o////////////
 
heya
 
what's up nerd
 
nothin bro
just chillin
 
5:36 PM
"Word Documents are a directory that has been zipped up" - my software development professor
 
might go outside
 
ew outside
ok apparently .docx can be changed to .zip and you can get the files inside
 
5:50 PM
files inside?
like the embedded images?
 
yeah so it's a zip file with a directory structure that has a bunch of xml files
 
it is
i've used that before to fix corrupted ones, pretty useful actually
Also helpful if you need to pretend that "I did the eassy" but it "mysteriously" got corrupted when i uploaded to the program
 
HAHA
I think I once uploaded an empty pdf that I renamed to docx to pretend like I did the assignment
 
my roommate would do that. he would just open the word document in a text editor and delete chunks of data to corrupt the file
 
great minds think alike
 
6:03 PM
something like that
 
6:26 PM
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hi juan!
 
welcome to the worst decision of your life @JuanMendez
 
7:10 PM
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7:21 PM
You scared him
 
Tim
It was the undercover RO police, testing Ahmad's capability to apply the rules equally to all
2
 
Glad I got spared
 
7:37 PM
Not sure why tho
Jk Mw
 
7:55 PM
what's up my fav boys?
@MwBakker that happens to me too
I get hyper and cannot focus sometimes
 
Well right now I have a writers-block on a thesis that I already wrote haha
The storyline wasn't fluent but I am not sure how to make the subjects flow correctly into eachother
 
8:31 PM
doesn't matter
just write it
 
o/
@Mauker yoooo
 
yo CF
 
sup trumplanders
 
Tim
@grrigore solid advice
 
always here to help lol
 
8:39 PM
nice
 
8:56 PM
@Tim XD
 
thanks
 
I honestly spent 1.5h every day for 1.5 months to write my thesis and then 3h / day in the last 10 days for fine tuning
This way, no stress and no all nighters and also easier since I wrote stuff that were still fresh in my mind
 
I did the exact same thing, except some days it were 3hrs
But if you are sure about the thesis, but get back feedback concluding it's not good you go doubt every single thing
which leads to a basical re-write of the whole damn thing
For which I only have a few days
 
you weren't in regular contact with your professor mentor at school?
 
No, the person to read it first is the teamleader
His feedback was not that bad, I fixed that and delivered the thing to the school
The school bulldozed it with negative feedback
 
9:09 PM
I would have done the opposite, regularly checking with the school, and once I have something satisfactory from a school point of vue, I'd send it to the company mentor, I don't think anyone has enough time to read it all
 
Tim
too bad school has the final say over it, because school's opinion of your thesis is literally meaningless, while the company owner's opinion is valuable
 
@Mehdi I can't have it regularly checked with school this is against the rules
plus I was not aware I was doing something wrong remember
in short: the amount of negative was a lot more as I'd ever had expected and now to be sure I work on every single bit of the thesis
Hence the amount of work
 
against which rule? you're sending them chapters of your thesis to give you feedback, you're not asking them to implement stuff
 
you only get feedback once, which is on the entire thesis
they can't allow students to constantly send parts to be checked due to lack of time or whatever the reason is they set these rules
 
we didn't have that rule, it only depended on the availability of your professor and his willingness to do his job
 
9:14 PM
hm that sounds a lot better, yes
 
you obviously won't have a daily followup, but we had a monthly catch up of a couple of hours during the whole period of the internship
 
We don't have that here
 
this way you can act quickly if he feels like you're derailing in the company
 
I only have had catching up moments with my teamleader of the company but not with my teacher
a catch up with my teacher only happens once in the 5 month period
 
unfortunately, company goals != school goals, so the guidance of a professor is needed to make sure you're not "just" working for the company
 
9:16 PM
yep
but there is nothing I can do against that, it's a system that is being performed like that
 
I had friends who failed because their thesis was judged at the end as "work" and not "project with all the angles required by school to mark it as a final thesis"
 
ough that really sucks
 
Tim
@MwBakker makes you wonder why you pay them 2000eu for this period when you don't attend any classes and you don't get any guidance
 
well the feedback on my thesis is clear so I know what lacks, but I just didn't expect it
@Tim yes, students are generally pissed about that fact. I think the government should make some exception for this
2 periods of 10 months a Dutch HBO student works for a different company where contact with school is solely a check up and a check on a report/thesis
but you do pay for the 10 months, rather you give any work to teachers or not
 
Tim
probably the give your money to the company that pays your internship ""salary"" with it, and the split the profits 50/50
 
9:20 PM
for 10 months the student is some sort of ghost to the school, but gotta keep the money flowing
@Tim yeah probably, but it seems redundant and inefficient that way
 
any online university for MSc course? Reliable for WES ?
 
WES?
 
Worldwide Ethical Socialsts
 
@MwBakker that's very specific XD
 
9:29 PM
I have a writers block, you guys willing to solve a small riddle?
 
I don't know that site bfx, but you can check MIT open courseware ocw.mit.edu/courses/find-by-topic
 
wes give you a certificate measuring the course you have taken from (wes certified universities)
 
coursera also offers this, but you usually need to purchase it
 
Is MIT free?
 
@MwBakker I don't know what kind of thesis you're writing, that would involve riddles XD
 
9:31 PM
any will they provide Certificate ?
 
@bluetoothfx yes, as far as I know, but I don't think you pass any exam / certification. It's just for learning
 
@Mehdi I can put it metaphorically
 
I need certificate :/ this time
 
Maybe just by typing this I have a rubber ducking moment already, give me a sec to sketch the situation
 
9:36 PM
Did you guys get an appointment with your barbers?
 
I have a thesis about developping automated GUI testing software. The main question is "how does one automated GUI testing of a laboratorial employee on (the company's application)?"
This question is seperated into several sub-questions like "how is the framework of the company buildt"
 
built*
 
one of these seperated questions is a look on the market to see if it is attractive to use any third party software for this matter
so I investigate how automated testing software like TestComplete work: how do they perform object recognition (in other words; with what matters)
 
and the costs
 
exactly
 
9:41 PM
so you built a benchmark matrice with a set of parameters that are relevant to the company, right?
 
But the main dealbreaker is the fact that third party software never has access to the internal flow of the running application
For example it can't perform something like ApplicationManager.GetFocussedView() or such
But in order to come to this conclusion I first need to compare these third party software packages with eachother and with internal application option
But now comes the part I get stuck, the info is all gathered and written but the sequence of the storyline is wrong
 
you could just summarize this into a parameter: "effort of integration with internal applications" low <- ... -> very high
 
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and then say that since those tools are highly generic, the efforts required for adapting them to the company needs are very high and the company is not willing to invest the resources for such endeavor
 
This is the exact conclusion yes
 
9:45 PM
then you give a few examples, of how these tools do X and Y, versus your solution
 
Well and here is the problem
Hold on
You see the subject is "is it attractive to use third party software" but if I want to compare the internal option to these software packages I must have also presented the readerr the 'main ingredients' of my internal software option.. otherwise there is nothing to compare
But explaining how an internal option of this software will work is a huge load of info so it may not fit into the subject "is it attractive to use 3rd party software"
do you kinda see what I mean?
 
yeah
 
and if I explain the reader my 'main ingredients' (components, better words) of my internal software option before the comparisement with the 3rd party software the reader might wonder why I am even still comparing this to the third party software packages anyway
 
then you could just restrain yourself to the licensing costs
 
Tim
comparison
 
9:51 PM
@Mehdi but my internal application is for example not capable of image-based object recognition while TestComplete is
 
"but my company doesn't need image recognition"
 
So such factors play a role
@Mehdi that is correct, but in order to gather the general workflow of the third party software packages I did have to mention this capability
Otherwise the reader will look into my sources and see I for example never mentioned this option
 
you only need to mention what your company needs, not what the tools provide
I think you should also realize that you're not supposed to compete with well established tools, you're there to fill a very narrow and specific need at a certain cost, so just focus on that specific need
 
the company gave me a blank cheque before this research started "how do third party software do this, with what tools and is it with everything included less or more attractive"
 
why aren't you in the caiman islands then? :D
 
9:55 PM
@Mehdi but the project constited of this research, that is the problem. It wanted to have investigation on the way the software packages generally work and why it is/ is not attractive to use third party software
@Mehdi cause I was trying to persue Tim with that cheque for a meet up
so the compete part is inevitable. Also the internal option won not because of it's cost but also due to lower maintanence work of changing things like elementreferences
 
Tim
you should have mentioned this blank cheque in the opening line for your tinder match, guaranteed hook up
 
Because internal software can look up such UI elements in the visual tree with far less pointers than external software requires (cause it's never actual part of the program)
 
@Tim hahahhaha
 
Anyway in which order do I present it: first the explination of how my internal option works and then compare with third party software
Or first the investigation on the third party software and then mention the details of my internal software option
 
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