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12:13 AM
 
12:23 AM
@D'Arcy I've switched to responding on your question, where it's a bit more appropriate to be discussing improvements to your question. It was fine to ask for help in here, but it's probably better to have more discussion there, unless there needs to be a larger audience for some reason.
 
 
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@Makyen Mind linking me to this bug report of yours?
@Machavity Tavern user here...we're not entirely welcoming all discussion regarding the situation there. It would be nice if you removed the link.
 
@gparyani I'd suggest discussing that with @rene.
@gparyani It's this one, but it looks like you already got a link in the Tavern.
 
@Makyen I didn't at the time I posted that, but thanks.
@Makyen Will raise this in the Tavern.
 
5:58 AM
@gparyani don't bring your personal pet-peeves here, ever.
 
@gparyani Yeah, I was typing up my response when Cody's message popped up. I'd gone looking for the answer, but I have 4 bug reports on that one question, so it isn't just looking in my profile for the single answer on that post. Although, it did gave me a chance to try out a userscript I'd been working on. :-)
 
A userscript to find all wisdom by Makyen?
 
6:17 AM
@CodyGray :-) It's a not yet released update to Flag from User Pages, which shows a preview of the post you're flagging below the flag dialog text. Basically, I didn't like not being able to be completely sure about what the flag dialog was open for. It allowed me to quickly see which answer each of the line items in my profile were.
 
6:31 AM
@Makyen Why not just click through to the post before flagging? You have to do that anyway to, you know, read it.
 
6:45 AM
@CodyGray Previously, I did have to click through to the post in order to read it prior to flagging. Because of that, I haven't really used the script much, given that I wouldn't flag without reading the post. I've only really used it on review pages, which already show the post, but often don't have flag buttons. The script was written at the request of another user. Now that I have a preview, I don't have to click through to the post to read it. :-)
In this particular case, it was easier than opening up four separate tabs to the same question (although some were different answer pages). For me, opening Meta posts takes a bit longer, because I have another userscript that automatically shows all the comments.
 
Imagine having one that automatically shows all the deleted comments :-)
Nah, actually, on MSO, that's not so big of a deal. There aren't that many deleted comments there.
I like it that way.
But anyway, I question the motivation of the described userscript in general application. I don't really want to encourage people to flag or otherwise moderate posts without clicking through to display them.
As nice as it might have been in this particular case, just to investigate something.
 
@CodyGray I agree that flagging without viewing the post is a bad idea. I've always wondered how useful the user really found having that capability. With a display of the post, I don't feel it's necessary to click through to the actual post page to make a determination as to if the post should be flagged, most of the time. Sometimes it is definitely necessary to see the entire context, but the significant majority of the time I feel a view of just the post is sufficient.
It's very similar to using the FIRE userscript, which shows a view of the post without the entire context of the question page. That's usually sufficient to make a determination as to the post being spam, R/A, or not.
 
Somehow, I've always struggled with "partial" views of the post, I guess. Like the moderator dashboard can expand a flag to show the flagged post, but I find that to be utterly unhelpful, and I never use it. I always click through to view the full post, as it would normally be presented. I guess it's something about being comfortable/familiar with the "normal" view that's more than worth the extra couple of milliseconds it takes to load the post.
 
7:25 AM
@CodyGray Yeah, I often prefer a view that's fairly close to what is provided on the actual page. Currently the dialog looks like this. That GIF was the first time I'd tried the current version from my test account. Previously, I'd been looking at it using my main account, which has a bunch of other userscripts. It looks like it needs some CSS/JS tweaks prior to being really usable.
 
Oh, so it's meant to be kinda like the inline view of questions when you try to close as a duplicate.
I never use that. :-)
 
Yeah, kind-of like that. :-)
 
What to do if 2 accounts publish exactly the same question? stackoverflow.com/questions/59728910/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/59720799/…
 
@eyllanesc Then you should let a moderator know.
I guess this counts. :-)
Don't engage, don't start asking them questions in the comments.
 
@CodyGray Ok, thanks for the advice :-)
 
7:32 AM
Moderator flags are the preferred method of contact. Flag -> "requires diamond moderator attention". Give us a link to the original question. And then give us 6-8 weeks to handle because...there's kind of a lot going on right now. :-)
 
@CodyGray Yes, I have seen that in recent weeks the flags managed by diamond moderators have a slight delay :-)
 
It's because we're all slackers.
 
Barghav is taking a break. Is down to only about 20.000 flags an hour.
 
Pretty much.
 
7:37 AM
He did actually take a break from the flag queue today. As did I. Just too much to handle.
 
 
8:22 AM
Morning
\o
Oh I see Shogging bad news ;(
 
o/ yep.
 
8:59 AM
 
9:15 AM
Sorry!
 
You must pay a penance of reviewing 30 questions.
 
Yes sir
 
9:35 AM
@CodyGray Done. I am glad the penance wasn't for H&I queue, phew...
 
10:03 AM
 
 
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I'd say so, the fold isn't really relevant, the site is irrelevant (and doesn't even work). At best the link should be removed IMO
 
Morning
 
1:19 PM
o/
 
\o
 
1:51 PM
^ I think that's more NAA/VLQ (as opposed to spam)
 
100% spam, site = username and is irrelevant to the whole site/question
 
Definitely spam!
 
I think the key for me is that the product being pushed "projectsend" isn't related to the website they linked to.
 
It's gone to the SO "Spam Fritter Collection"
 
To me, that's just a newbie that doesn't understand what SO is for... ymmv :)
yep, moot
 
1:55 PM
for me, it went to 4alldownloads ^^
 
hehe
 
2:43 PM
 
3:14 PM
@Georgy that's not even closed
 
@Georgy That's not closed, so it cannot be deleted. It's also too old to CV
 
@Machavity Oh, right, sorry.
 
3:32 PM
@yivi don't close as a dupe; close as POB; it'll roomba faster
 
3:42 PM
@Nkosi that's a tool used mainly by programmers though
 
@Adriaan Ok I'll retract. Can an RO remove my last request.
 
@TylerH Yeah... Seemed an appropriate dupe, IMO. And a gold badge could hammer it instantly. But you make good point. Thanks.
 
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6:42 PM
@Madara'sGhost We'll miss you as a mod
 
@Machavity ❀️ I'll miss you all as community members.
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You quitting all of SO or just the mod business?
 
@Machavity Pretty much all of SO. I might still pop into chat every once in a while.
 
@Madara'sGhost Really sad to see you go. Feel free to hit me up on steam if you ever want to game together.
 
@NathanOliver <3 Will do, thanks πŸ˜ƒ
 
6:51 PM
Sorry to see you go, Madara. Not that I don't understand :(
 
Not gonna lie, having a steam group with people from SO sounds pretty neat
 
msot of us have plenty of steam right now :P
 
@CodyGray Slipped my mind yesterday but I looked at the keyboard and it is a dell knockoff of the old IBM keyboard. Not worth the shipping IMHO.
@Das_Geek We used to get together on Thursdays for some TF2 but it's been some time since then. Maybe we need to revisit this since soon our community will be gone.
 
we should relocate the good part of our community, it's a good one. It's just that SO doesn't deserve it anymore
 
@Madara'sGhost so much knowledge and experience is leaving. It doesn't make sense unless you think evil plans. You'll be missed. Keep in mind the door to this room is always open, so don't be shy to hop in if you're in the neighborhood ...
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7:02 PM
@AndrasDeak I'm looking into this: codidact.org
 
@rene <3 Thank you for your kind words
 
@NathanOliver already there
 
@NathanOliver nothing to do for me: codidact.org/review
 
Can someone with edit powers rollback the question and answer edits here? They were translated from their non-English originals. Not sure if it's worth the time, but I feel as though their OPs should be the ones to translate
 
7:07 PM
@rene rofl
 
7:19 PM
@Das_Geek Agreed and done, at least for the question. I don't like translations of answers either, but rolling them back is not that strictly necessary.
 
@Yunnosch Got it, thanks. I did wonder how "worth it" it was, given that any reviewer worth their salt should theoretically see those edits. Thanks though
@NathanOliver I would 100% participate in that, though I haven't played TF2 in eons
 
look who's in top 10 wielders of Mjölnir data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1145561/…
(per tag, I should add; the stats will be different if you group by user and add counts from all their tags)
Hovercraft currently in 13th place
and of course Tunaki, Sotirios, and Panta Rei ahead of me (though Panta only barely)
who was 177800?
 
Jarrod Roberson
 
Not too shabby, 1260 whacks
 
I've only done 208 closures
I need to up my game :-(
 
7:39 PM
1139. That's decent
 
:(
sad days
 
8:03 PM
Sad days indeed :(
 
@Machavity as customary. Another meme of meta perhaps.
 
Ron
8:36 PM
o/
 
@NathanOliver Thanks. Would have slipped my mind, too. Lots going on of late. Appreciate you checking either way. Those old, large Dell boards with a bit of a β€œclick” were pretty good keyboards back in the day for free OEMs. Had a couple. Still do.
 
@CodyGray No worries, I completely understand. Yeah it's not bad, but not worth the shipping for an old used keyboard. I'll just hand to it as a spare. The buttons are a little squishy now.
 
8:52 PM
@NathanOliver Are you not a mechanical keyboard fan? What do you use? Mind control?
 
@CodyGray I am a mechanical keyboard fan. The springs though must have some give now or maybe they are just weak as it doesn't take much pressure to get the keys to start sinking. Definitely not as firm as the brown switches I have in my current keyboard.
 
Does this count as sock puppets interacting with each other or is this still acceptable? stackoverflow.com/a/59741342/1839439
 
@Dharman I would mod flag and see what they say. I don't see anything necessarily prohibited
 
@Dharman sock puppets are fine so long as they don't act in a way you can't with just one profile. You can't upvote your sock puppet/vice versa or accept the answer of a sock puppet either (because it would award rep due to being different)
but commenting should be fine
 
Yeah, not seeing anything that crosses a line.
 
9:04 PM
same for editing in code
 
Thanks. I will leave it alone then. I think I saw an upvote there, but it is gone now. Maybe they retracted.
 
@NathanOliver Oh, yeah, those Dells were never that firm. Slightly less so than even Cherry MX Blues, which I believe are less firm still than the Browns. But I still prefer having that tactile click so I know when I’ve triggered the keyswitch. Never have gotten used to the thud on the Browns and other β€œgaming” keyboards.
 
user10957435
So, uh, I guess this next election is going to need a lot of moderators...
 
I propose we protest it an campaign for no one to nominate themselves.
 
9:13 PM
@Dharman We appreciate flags on this sort of thing anyway. Always good to investigate and see if there’s anything else shady going on, even if there isn’t where you spot it. Also, it is something we keep records of...
@Chipster Yeah… Somehow, I suspect we aren’t finished with the wave of attrition yet. It has only just begun. And...without Shog, those of us who remain are about a thousand times less effective. An election will only do so much. If we can even find anyone to stand for it.
Fun fact: Shog was instrumental in coordinating mod elections :-(
 
@Chipster You might have a chance...
 
user10957435
@NathanOliver In one sense, I want to help people like Cody out, who will be left with a lot of work. On the underhand, I understand your sentiment. I don't want to reward bad behavior, and if it's so bad so many people are leaving, I'm not sure if I would want to join.
 
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@Dharman I actually decided to work on my moderator badges just in case. I think I have them all now, so I could if I wanted to, but I'm really not sure.
 
Yeah, it sucks for the existing mods, but something needs to change and this is one of the few outlets where we can really demonstrate we want a change.
 
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@CodyGray Ugh. Good news is the next election is not too far away. So maybe you'll get some new help soon.
 
9:17 PM
Can orange helmets and fuzzy flowers run for mods? (That is assuming they would want to!)
 
@Chipster Was supposed to (tentatively) be in February. May be sped up now. But, uh, CM team is down by 2 giants, so resources are a bit low at the moment. Gonna be hard to get stuff done, let alone accelerate stuff. We’ll see.
 
user10957435
@AdrianMole No, they're only allowed to run for management.
 
@AdrianMole Yes. No speciesism here.
 
I personally welcome the floral overlords
 
user10957435
Surely they are going to replace the CMs, yes?
 
9:18 PM
Machavity ran last election and did quite well. Rene isn’t interested, I don’t think...
@Chipster I don’t think so.
 
Yeah, Machiavity and Makyen both made it pretty far in
 
user10957435
Sigh... Why are they doing this to themselves?
 
If you put aside ascribing sinister motivations to the firing, and say it was just a corporate financial decision, that suggests that they aren’t going to be replacing them.
 
user10957435
Fair enough.
 
The CM team has been severely understaffed for a long time now
Ever wondered why your vote investigation flags are pending forever? Even after a mod marks them as β€œhelpful”? Yeah, these get escalated to CMs, who have more access than mods do when it comes to vote information.
 
9:21 PM
Well, IMHO, any of the ROs here would make good mods, and would get my vote(s).
 
@CodyGray Jnat and Grace Note have been doing it elsewhere. The real question is will anyone want to run?
 
user10957435
^^ Same. Though Nathan doesn't seem interested.
 
@AdrianMole Absolutely. Although historically SOCVR affiliates don’t fare all that well in mod elections. But we have many strong candidates here, and I’d endorse at least 3 or 4 folks, if they felt they were up to it.
 
@Machavity Oof, that sucks. gerrit seemed like a good person
 
@Machavity Yeah, it’s a problem. SO’s size likely means it’s less of a problem here. Smaller sites have always had issues finding enough candidates and qualified candidates. My concern for SO, of course, is that the qualified candidates won’t be interested in standing, so we’ll end up with people who just aren’t aware of what’s going on (which automatically makes them unqualified in my eyes)
 
user10957435
9:24 PM
Wow, and gerrit seemed to be the only one interested too!
 
@CodyGray in that situation it is indeed prudent to fire a few more
 
@AndrasDeak Starting with the best ones, the most productive ones, the ones others went to for advice, right?
 
yeah, to motivate the rest to improve
 
The firings will continue until morale improves
 
exactly!
 
9:26 PM
And it will, because soon it will be a vast wasteland
 
One person's wasteland is another's clean slate. So much room for activities.
"The giant ad banners will come HERE" *shoves aside the branch prediction question with a foot*
 
@CodyGray If by 8th place you mean "well", then sure. But Makyen beat me and got 6th. I think he might have been the most successful RO to run to date
 
@Machavity I guess by β€œwell”, I meant β€œhad my confidence”
 
Ah. I appreciate that then
 
My own standards are higher. There were just lots of strong candidates.
 
9:29 PM
I'm honestly most surprised at the last election how quickly Makoto went out
 
for the better; I'd have hated for him to get more deeply involved right when the site takes a nose dive
 
true, but maybe he would've been able to help make it not as bad
who knows
 
The one thing I learned from that is that name recognition is the most important factor. Thus it heavily favors previous candidates
 
@TylerH he already says all the things most people wish they said, to no avail beyond keeping our spirits up for just a bit longer
 
@AndrasDeak Ad banners are the least of our problems. Read this comment on MSE moments ago; couldn’t agree more.
 
9:31 PM
it was just the first useless thing that came to mind
 
@TylerH You give us diamonds too much credit. If there was something we could doβ€”anythingβ€”I’d be doing it twice.
 
Sure, I just mean in the situation in the TL. hindsight's 20/20, of course, but that also means no end to 'suppose x was there and was able to jump in and say 'calm down'', not that there weren't lots of people already trying to do that, I'm sure
 
Oh I get it. This mod election question makes it sound like mods can somehow affect question abandonment
 
@Machavity Which is why it’s odd that Makoto didn’t fare better, given how strong his Meta presence has been. That has to contribute significant name recognition. And he’s been very good at reaching out to the community (what he somewhat confusingly termed ambassadorship), not just engaging with Meta regulars.
 
I've grown to think that clueless noobs decide the fate of mod elections. Like that "joke" candidate a while back who went through a few rounds before dropping out. Completely ridiculous nomination, all of meta knew that it's not to be taken seriously.
 
9:35 PM
@TylerH Hard to calm down people who have their minds made up. Also worth pointing out that most of the SO mods don’t really participate in the global TL. Too much noise, too many flags at home.
 
user10957435
So the whole September situation hit all the SO mods out of nowhere, basically?
 
@AndrasDeak Well, yeah, clueless noobs tend to decide the fate of all democratic elections. They outnumber the clueful by vast numbers.
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@Chipster It hit everyone out of nowhere. Think of TL like this or any other chat room on the network. One that hundreds of mods have access to. Where the transcript for any given day is many screens long. And nobody runs cleanup scripts :-). What are the chances that everyone who has access keeps up with everything? Much less participates in it.
 
user10957435
Makes sense.
 
Makes we wonder, is the a TL trash bin where they can migrate unneeded conversation.
 
No, that would be Lounge C++
 
9:39 PM
I stopped using TL many years ago. It was useful and productive when there were only a couple dozen of network mods. Less so now. Plus the fact that I tend not to think chat is an effective medium for much of anything in general. SO mods do have our own private chat that we use to discuss things, too, so there’s never really a reason to use the global room.
 
shots fired
 
@CodyGray Which is frustrating, considering a lot of mods outside of SO could learn a lot from the SO mods
 
@NathanOliver No migration into or out of the mod-only rooms, for obvious reasons.
 
@CodyGray years ago? So like days/weeks after you were elected?
 
@TylerH I was a mod on another SE site long before getting elected on SO.
 
9:41 PM
Ah, which one?
 
Philosophy
 
You know, the only time I ever saw Shog truly angry was over chat
 
Back circa like 2011, if I remember correctly
@Machavity Heh. The only time you ever saw. :-)
 
@Machavity I've seen him get frustrated a few times but yeah that one was the worst
 
I never once saw him unjustifiedly angry, or even blowing things out of proportion. That was his superpower: perspective.
 
9:42 PM
@CodyGray I figured there were others (nobody is that calm and collected all the time) but doing it in public is quite a thing
 
It’s a massive blow to me. Those of you who know me can appreciate if I explain it like this: I can’t think of a single time that I ever disagreed with Shog. Sometimes I disagreed initially, but not after listening to him explain his reasoning and/or after mulling it over myself.
Given how opinionated I am, there are plenty of people I respect, but I rarely see eye-to-eye with them on everything. I did with Shog. I could nearly just have blind trust for what he did, supported, or was in charge of. He had my and our backs.
Now what?
 
Well, we're done here ... :(
 
user10957435
@CodyGray That's kind of how I am with you. I will disagree with you initially, but eventually see your point.
 
Shog was someone who dialogued. In today's climate, that is an exceptionally rare thing. I fear those who come behind with be the antithesis of that
 
I talk a lot, too. But somehow it’s not the same :-)
 
9:51 PM
Words are hard. Finding that magic combination is a rare thing.
 
Everyone talks. Not everyone listens, tho. I mean this was one of the greatest complements I've ever been paid, and that was after criticizing him
I know I'm not that gracious
 
The conclusion of that Reprex debacle was one of the greatest complements that the entire community was ever paid by Shog9. One of the recent answers to the MSE discussion celebrating him points that out.
I always admired Shog’s sense of humor. It’s what I think made him so gracious, and gave him his introspective abilities.
 
10:29 PM
@JL2210 Meh. I don’t see that question as being problematic. There are objective answers to it. It isn’t really soliciting an opinion.
 
@CodyGray It's asking about "readability" and "bad practice". Those are both subjective.
 
bad practices not necessarily, depends on the culture of the language
there are a bunch of clear-cut cases where something is idiomatic XOR an anti-pattern
 
@CodyGray But feel free to trash my request. The OP understands and if you say there can be objective answers there can be objective answers.
@AndrasDeak Yeah, like XOR swap...
 
I reopened that, because I really don’t think it deserved to be closed. Perhaps an edit is in order if the phrasing bothers you, but I really don’t think it is off-topic.
Readability isn’t the primary concern. I read the question more as, is this a reasonable way of doing what I’m trying to do, and if not, how should I do it instead?
It’s one of those cases where I fear reviewers tend to trigger on keywords, instead of evaluating the question wholesale. But this might be motivated in large part by my having a rather deep understanding of the technical domain.
 
Well, "reasonable" might still be subjective. It's not clear-cut so I'll go with you on this one.
 
10:45 PM
In that case, I'll bin the request so we don't close it again :)
 
@JL2210 It's OK that some words in the question do not have clear-cut definitions. Note that the close reason is (or used to be?) "primarily opinion-based". The goal is to prevent questions where the only answers are opinions that cannot be justified with any objective or meaningful facts. We don't want questions like, "What is the best programming language?".
On the other hand, questions like, "How should I structure this code to make it more readable?" are perfectly fine, even though there's some natural element of subjectivity to it. There is, after all, inherent subjectivity to all of programming. We make decisions all day long about how and why to do things.
 
Agreed. There are usually official coding standards that use fairly clear-cut words in all caps like MUST and SHOULD. Even for subjective-ish things, there are ways to back up what you are saying
I thought that question was pretty interesting. I miss working at such a low level in my code
 
@M-- That...on the other hand...is a good example of a "primarily opinion-based" question, certainly absent any other context.
@Das_Geek I miss having time to write thoughtful answers to interesting questions like that. :-)
 
M--
@CodyGray It can be POB, but can you say it's not TB? (not arguing, genuinely asking ^__^)
 
What's TB?
Sorry, I'm terrible with acronyms.
 
M--
11:00 PM
Sorry, too broad (a.k.a Needs to be more focused)
 
@CodyGray Never start government work. I have to tear out the Table of Abbreviations for immediate reference to make it through any document I read
 
user10957435
@Das_Geek Shouldn't most documents declare the abbreviations they use?
 
M--
@Chipster They should, but they don't
 
For me networking has been always a nightmare with its TLAs
 
Ah, "too broad". Yeah, I suppose I should have seen that. Did I mention I'm terrible with acronyms? And yeah, I do a lot of government work...
 
11:02 PM
@Chipster They should and do, but I forget them by the time I've made it to the second paragraph. So I have to tear out the reference table for abbreviations and hold it next to the doc I'm reading, so I can easily reference
@Dharman Hey now
 
user10957435
Ah.
 
Anyway: yes, I agree that the question has is TB. That's why I chose that as the close reason, because I think it's more explanatory. If more context was provided, in order to make the question less broad, then it wouldn't be primarily opinion-based anymore, because an objective answer could be provided that considered the factors actually relevant to the decision.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Can I pick your brain for a second?
 
Sure, pick away
You're welcome to anything you find that may be of value.
 
user10957435
Should questions that turn out to be intellisense bugs or not catching up be closed? If so, what is the best reason?
 
user10957435
11:11 PM
@CodyGray Okay, Thanks.
 
Depends. The thing you have to ask yourself is, would this information be useful to others in the future? If it's a common bug, or even a less common bug but something that others are likely to run into if they have a similar configuration, then the answer(s) are useful, and the question should not be closed.
On the other hand, if it's just something highly localized and will only affect that specific person, with that specific code base, on that specific machine, with that specific version of VS and/or Windows, then yeah, probably just close it.
 
user10957435
I'm guessing it would need a good MCVE to be useful in that case, yes?
 
The reason doesn't really matter. I'd go with "can no longer be reproduced or will not be useful to others in the future" (paraphrasing)
I mean, a good MCVE is always good/preferred. But it isn't absolutely necessary. Describing the problem may be sufficient. Especially if the question has already been answered. That makes the MCVE less necessary.
 
user10957435
Right. I forgot reasons don't always matter for closing. Closing is closing.
 
user10957435
So, I'm actually leaning to keeping this one open, since it does have a decent MCVE, but what are your thoughts?
 
user10957435
11:16 PM
I should point out that it is possible for someone else to run into that again. It's really useful to know that it's actually nothing wrong with the code itself.
 
I just hurriedly read the Q&A. It sounds like it's one of those weird caching issues with IntelliSense, where it's giving errors based on an out-of-date parse index. That does tend to happen with IntelliSense. Just helped a coworker out the other day who is a C++ novice. Changing the build configuration to Release and then back to Debug was sufficient to force IntelliSense to update its indices and stop showing a nonsense error.
I suspect there's probably another couple of questions along similar lines that this one could be closed as a duplicate of.
Having this information out there is useful, but it doesn't need to be in 100 different places.
It is also worth noting that IntelliSense uses a different compiler than MSVC. It uses EDG as the compiler, which has different standards-compliance and different quirks than Microsoft's compiler. So...it's not entirely unexpected that IntelliSense would locate issues that would not show up when you build.
 
user10957435
Yeah, I've seen a several questions that basically came down to IntelliSense issues. So it's not completely uncommon. Most of them get closed as a not helpful to future readers. So I think a well written one would be good. But I agree it doesn't need to be 100 places. I think I'll leave it for now and maybe give it a think. Thanks :D
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Didn't know that. I'll stuff into my brain database of facts for later.
 
Possible "master" question along these lines: stackoverflow.com/questions/27966257/…
There is this one, which is good and already being used as a canonical of sorts, but it's really about C#, not C++, which is an entirely different beast.
 
I don't know; they only differ by two characters
 
user10957435
11:25 PM
I'm favoriting that that first one for later.
 
Were one to start using it as a canonical, I'd start by making a few edits to the question itself, broadening it. In particular, removing that version number from the title.
 
user10957435
Yeah, just noticed the version number too.
 
I found that using a Google search, by the way. Works far better than the built-in search.
 
user10957435
I sort of use built-in once in a while, if I'm looking in a specific tag and I know the exact wording. Otherwise, yeah I use Google more often than built-in. I find it's much better.
 
New SO meme of the year: "plz help me why this progrrame doase not execut?"
 
11:37 PM
The miracle is that "help" got spelled correctly. We're making progress since the days of "halp".
 
thx in adnvanced
 
user10957435
I wonder id we can actually ban phrases like "plz" or "thx" in the question creation page with a notice like "Questions that have these abbreviations are likely to get down-voted and closed. Please use proper English." Okay, so maybe something nicer than that, but you get the idea...
 
We started using a regex to ban titles with the word "problem". Then we had 2 problems.
(That joke never gets old.)
 
Love the idea ;)
 
user10957435
Not sure I get the 2 problems joke. Why are there 2 of them now?
 
11:42 PM
@CodyGray Upon realizing that, were they immediately enlightened?
 
@Chipster They couldn't type "problem" in their title and the original problem they were dealing with. It ruins the joke when you have to explain it.
 
Per Jeff Atwood's funny article, using this quote:

> Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems.
 
@Chipster Old joke by Jamie Zawinski. You have a problem, you think it can be solved by introducing a regex, but now you have 2 problems (the original problem, and the regex). See also: softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/223634/…
 
user10957435
Oh. I see. I got you now.
 
@Das_Geek Apparently not. The clbuttic problem has yet to be resolved.
 
user10957435
11:45 PM
It's a regex burn. I'm down with that.
 
user10957435
@JL2210 Sorry. I just didn't know.
 
However, I should point out that we do actually have quality filters that are meant to exclude very poor English grammar. Things like repeatedly failing to capitalize the letter "I" will either result in an error message and/or prevent the submission of the question. They're pretty stoopid filters, but they do work. (And have to be stupid in order to reduce the risk of false positives.)
 
@CodyGray 𝖫𝗂𝗄𝖾 π—Žπ—Œπ—‚π—‡π—€ 𝖺𝗅𝗍𝖾𝗋𝗇𝖺𝗍𝖾 π–Όπ—π–Ίπ—‹π–Ίπ–Όπ—π–Ύπ—‹π—Œ 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 π—…π—ˆπ—ˆπ—„ π—Œπ—‚π—†π—‚π—…π–Ίπ—‹?
 
There is no end to havoc that one can wreak by using the entire Unicode character plane.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray I see "i" all the time. How can they be filtered out?
 
user10957435
11:53 PM
Btw, I think I want to write a Sudoku solver in regex. Anyone down?
 
@Chipster Lots of prior discussion on Meta about these filters, introduced many years ago. See, e.g., here. They're not perfect, and they certainly don't block everything that uses a lowercase "i".
 
user10957435
Got you. So some things still just get through.
 

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