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@ErikvonAsmuth has no questions.
 
 
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4:40 AM
@ErikvonAsmuth is gone.
 
5:54 AM
@SardarUsama Couldn't you argue that that falls under the category of algorithm questions (and that it's therefore on topic)?
 
@rene cool! I see you're a fan of Pied a Terre as well; my girlfriend is a huge dan
 
@Makyen The tag description gives some recommendations for substitutes. Can we edit questions accordingly when it applies?
 
6:13 AM
@EJoshuaS I don't think it is an algorithm related question. Even if you consider it a one then there is no MCVE for why his network is not working as expected
 
6:27 AM
@Vega No. Doing edits to remove/adjust tags in support of a burnination is explicitly not permitted until such time as the burnination reaches step 4: Cleanup & Burnination (i.e. after a moderator has made a decision at the end of featuring the burnination request question). See the sections "Criteria for Burnination" (#2) and "Burnination Process" (end of #2 Featuring) in the answer to: "What is the process for tag removal (burnination)?"
 
@Makyen What if those edits aren't a part of a burnination?
 
@JohnDvorak If you encounter a Q while normally using the site and you feel that it does, in fact, have the wrong tags, then edit the question normally. But don't do it because you think a particular tag shouldn't exist. What is prohibited is editing to facilitate the burnination. From a pragmatic viewpoint, this means don't go looking for questions with the tag and editing them in bulk. Someone will notice. Moderators don't take kindly to it. I've seen mod responses from comments to suspensions.
 
6:49 AM
@SmokeDetector I'd go with NAA as this is their first
 
and probably off-topic altogether but hard to tell
 
@Makyen Thank you. So the burnination has reached the phase 2 where only moderators intervene?
 
7:07 AM
@Vega yes, it is in the featured phase as described in the burnination process. This means the community get the final say if a burn should commence. If they reject the burnination (either by voting or answers advocating the tag is fine) then the questions shouldn't have had their tags removed.
 
@rene Very clear, thank you!
 
@Vega Yes. ninja'd What @rene said.
 
:)
 
Morning \o
 
o/
 
 
7:52 AM
oh wait nvm
 
8:02 AM
@SmokeDetector No MCVE
 
8:15 AM
And OP not replying to questions. :(
 
8:46 AM
o/
 
I feel for what gunr said on monday "only see a wall of moderation requests, rather than people talking." :(
 
@NickA #NoFunAllowed
 
@Adriaan Where is everyone?
 
@NickA Europe/Asia at work, North 'Merica asleep
 
9:01 AM
We're right here?
 
@Adriaan Still seems pretty quiet..., I see Praveen and tripleee further up but it's nearly 10, was expecting more online
@rene Wooo, flowers make great company
 
yes, I'll be running for my train right now, cya!
 
@rene brings us back to yesterday: how fast does a flower run? :P
 
morning all
 
@MichaelDodd o/ morning
 
9:14 AM
I apologise to whoever responded to my last cv-pls, the moment I saw the title here, I came to mind that it can be actually answered.
 
@techraf At least IMHO, a question should be fully answerable without the title. That is, the post body itself contains the question, otherwise unclear
 
9:37 AM
@Adriaan not very fast and it wasn't needed, the train was cancelled .... I'm now in the 11:27 but that is of no use I can't make it on time ...
 
@rene that's a bummer; project down the drain then?
 
well, I'm trying to get a colleague to pick me up.
 
check, I'l tell him.
Utrecht transfr coming up, chow!
 
Good luck
 
9:53 AM
node.js people - Is this question now in a good enough state to re-open?
 
@MichaelDodd "must include the desired behavior" meh
 
@MichaelDodd I'm not a node.js person, but I'd say no; There's no problem statement. There's a bunch of code dumped and an associated error, but no accompanying text as to where the error comes from, what the program is supposed to do and what the OP has done to try and solve it.
@SmokeDetector bah, don't post it if it's already gone. So many missed flags...
 
This kind of bs happens on so? Spam in question? Dear Internet
 
@NickA I agree, but it was the title that made me realise where exactly OP was mistaken in their understanding. Ansible made the use of Jinja2 transparent enough for many, not to realise that (internally) return values are always passed as a string. The problem is reappearing over time in different questions on SO, so I decided to answer, though the phrasing of the question is not the best one.
 
@techraf Given you deleted your request, looked at your answers to find it and assume you're referring to the convertings lists to strings one? Hadn't actually seen the question before now but it seems that the question asked in the title is asked in the first line of the question, just ignore me :) although I agree its not the best question in the world they've made it clear enough for a proper answer
If I want to bring something to a mods attention but I can't flag it directly for one reason or another, should I just flag one of my own posts and give a link to the thing im referring to?
 
10:04 AM
@NickA Yes.
 
@Makyen Thanks much
Re: rule 15 changes, I'm aware the discussion about that was held post-room meeting, is there anywhere that we can read the discussion or was it off-site?
 
^ The irony of a LQ question asking how to create a system to stop people posting poor questions...
 
@MichaelDodd In addition to what other people have said, the error that they are reporting Function.Module._resolveFilename means that node.js couldn't find the file that they required. So, we'd need access to their system to see if the file actually existed in any of the directories which were searched (i.e. in module.paths). So, I'd say it's still no MCVE or no repo.
 
@Makyen @NickA @Adriaan Cheers for the clarification
 
10:35 AM
@NickA The primary instigator for Rule 15 changes is Topic 2 in the recent room meeting. There have been multiple discussions in various locations, including discussions in SOCVR, at least one longer one you were present for, and some off-site discussion. The discussions are not yet complete. I'd like to get slightly further along prior to digging into in detail publicly (i.e. I'm working on it now (again) and there should be at least another round of discussion/input from the ROs).
Part of my tracking this has been making sure that I have read all the conversations held here in SOCVR, at least once.
 
@Makyen Once discussions are complete will you be making a list of those conversations public (perhaps a trimmed list if there is stuff better not made public)? I'd very much be interested in reading the whole thing
 
@NickA About halfway through the process of reading the SOCVR ones I realized that they should be bookmarked for easier access. I'll have at least a good portion of them bookmarked, eventually. The off-site ones are unlikely to be released, as our policy is that those conversations are private.
 
@Makyen Of course (I'd expect nothing less for the off-site ones), but of the SOCVR ones, I'm sure there are more than the one I was a part of and the one yesterday‌​. Previous room meetings just have links to the SOCVR Meeting Room discussion for a specific topic, whereas this has a lot more sources.
I'm refering to the links in the meetings section of socvr.org
 
10:51 AM
@NickA Yes, I will be attempting to get most of it corralled into the summary. Some additional links may be something that I add after the first release.
 
@Makyen Great, ta again
 
11:35 AM
@SmokeDetector Would that mass posting go beyond benefit of doubt and be red-flagged spam?
 
ghehe, Smokey is hitting the message limit :D
 
please hold back on flagging those as spam, I think the users deserves a fair warning before we go ahead
 
@tripleee I've modflagged for now as I think this goes beyond any reasonable level of caution for non-disclosure
@tripleee 7 answers in an hour to the same repo, and even their older answer from 2017 has the same link
 
they still deserve a mod-flag before we go ahead and declare them as red-flaggable
 
@tripleee While I agree with that, there's nothing wrong with NAA flagging them as link only
 
11:40 AM
sure, just hoping to dissuade anyone from routinely flagging all of them
 
@NickA Yeah, of the ones that have come up for review in the VLQ, I've chipped in a vote
On the plus side, surely that must've kicked in some sort of rate-limiter or the answer ban for now
 
Woo, just hit 4k
 
and also 1k helpful post flags
 
12:26 PM
@NickA Congrats! :)
 
crumpets
 
Afternoon
 
afternoon
 
Crèpes
Afternoon
 
12:42 PM
Looking at this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/52182186/… From the comment it seem like the duplicate should help. BUT it is also possible that there is a misunderstanding. Can i then unflag the question and post the answer or what is the proper waY?
(context: maybe he really just wants the key. but it could also be that he wants to convert a complete certificate which i could answer him but i thought for the time being it seems like a duplicate)
 
What kind of answer is this? NAA, VLQ, comment ? stackoverflow.com/a/3858988/4805174
 
@kayess All 3
 
@kayess Looking at the question it seems to be an honest answer
 
Went with NAA, will see the result
 
@kayess I'd say it's NAA - should be a comment. Wouldn't be surprised if it comes back disputed though.
 
12:52 PM
@MichaelDodd yep, testing for science
 
@kayess Don't forget to keep a personal record!
I'm only half joking. I made myself a spreadsheet with a list of some of the comments I make over time and their respective reaction from the poster.
 
@kayess You do what you must, because you can :)
 
The cake is a lie. It was a stacked wedding cake, and it overflowed.
 
@E_net4 With that comment and watching last night's Great British Bake-Off, I'm now going through the thought process of how I'd create a Stack Overflow cake
 
@E_net4 SO should have such feature... lets get to teh metaz!@# with a useful tag like:
 
12:59 PM
@kayess That actually makes me wonder whether a userscript could do this.
@kayess I mean, for flags there is already a list of them and their outcomes. But not for comments, and those can permanently disappear.
 
@E_net4 yeah true
 
Bad reactions are usually deleted too. Maybe someone should make a userscript that persists the comment to local/user storage.
 
1:13 PM
@kayess Has anyone ever tried ?
 
@E_net4 lol
 
Is that where you have to run sudo to be able to post it?
 
@NathanOliver It's where you post a feature request with higher privileges.
 
But never mind, this is actually called a Twitter rant.
 
1:14 PM
!!/amiprivileged
 
@MichaelDodd ✓ You are a privileged user.
@MichaelDodd ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
lolwut
 
You might want to share that with charcoal.
 
@MichaelDodd There are some problems with SD. Interesting chats in the charcoal room
 
Double check just to make sure
 
1:15 PM
Double no, dangit :(
 
!!/coffee
 
@Adriaan brews a cup of Ristretto for @Adriaan
 
!!/location
 
@ErikvonAsmuth Rule 1. Don't talk about SD privileges. Rule 2. Don't talk about SD privileges.
 
@SmokeDetector that's not coffee :(
 
1:16 PM
@Adriaan brews a cup of Cappuccino for @Adriaan
 
xD
 
@tripleee teward/Solar Flare
@tripleee teward/Lunar Eclipse
 
@NathanOliver Cheers, Art's looking into it I think
 
I'm standing by Lunar over in Charcoal HQ
 
@MichaelDodd try running !!/amiprivileged now
 
1:19 PM
there was a train wreck with multiple reboots of the Metasmoke back end, probably nothing to worry immensely about
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@MichaelDodd ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 27 secs ago, by Makyen
@MichaelDodd This was caused by two instances of SD being active and responding to commands/feedback. One of those instances is running a version of the code from prior to you being a privileged user. That instance has been put in standby, but will need to have !!/pull run on it when it becomes active again. It became active because metasmoke had some problems which were resolved by deploying a new version, but doing so happened to result in an additional SD instance becoming active.
 
@tripleee ninja'd. :-)
 
1:28 PM
@MichaelDodd Welcome to Smokey Street. This announcement was brought to you by the letters F, K and V
 
@Machavity And the number Ìnteger.MAX_VALUE + 1
 
sponsored by U+1F5E7 ACCENTED CHARACTER TO USE IN DATA TYPE NAMES
 
@MichaelDodd All static typings reserved.
 
@tripleee I didn't know Smokey was written in PHP
 
1:33 PM
class 💩:
          ^
SyntaxError: invalid character in identifier
dang
 
It's not a letter
 
I'll buy an Emoji for $200 Alex
 
@JohnDvorak My money's on "yes". The fact that it was built in Go is irrelevant.
 
@JohnDvorak I'd go with "unclear", maybe generic is ok, too. The file function is a general function to see the file type; it just happens to show those details. Looks like he did not understand this, but uses a trained pattern. I call this "monkey computing" (have always certain "Friends" episodes in mind seeing this).
 
(although it'd be nice to also know the size of those executables.)
 
1:36 PM
@tripleee 💩 is a perfect name for a class :(
 
@BDL I've seen you helping for a similar case, so may I ask you how to remove the initial tag from the title of https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39552429/excel-can-the-m-language-be-used-i‌​n-vba?
 
BDL
@Cœur I guess I reformulated the title such that it passed the filter
 
@BDL I mean, do you have a suggestion for the linked case?
 
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος Even more so for a Python class.
 
the only reason I like Python is that C is too tedious for me
 
BDL
1:39 PM
@Cœur "Can the “M” language be used in VBA to automate transformations?" worked :)
 
@BDL Thank you: you're more skilled than I am.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ, @MartinJames I've a good idea for a better CoC en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Honesty
4
 
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος There're so many other fish in this sea.
 
Python is the slowest one :P
(yes, in both senses of "slowest")
 
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος That is debatable. But regardless, why would you want a slow one? :)
 
1:46 PM
@tripleee The following works in Swift: class 💩 {}; print(💩.self)
 
@E_net4 I want it to be slow in the sense that I can catch it easily
but Python also has the other sense of "slow" I hate
only if I could learn Ruby, C or Haskell...
 
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος I use both, Actually both languages have completely different fields of application (as opposed to e.g. Python and C++). If you only see Python as a better variant of C, maybe you have only scratched at the surface of the language :-)
 
I think I'm going to have to buy a roll of TP. There is a lot of poo in the transcript.
 
@toohonestforthissite I've seen its many libraries, it's so easy to just install and import them
 
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος You know, you're talking to a Rust enthusiast and I'm trying hard not to explode here. :)
 
1:51 PM
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος It's executionm time is often fast enough if you use one of the many optimised packages. And wrt development time, it's way faster than all other languages I know well enough (which are quite some) to judge. Plus the code is better readable, yet compact. Even non-Python programmers often can at least get the gist of a not-too-complicated Python program
 
@FireAlarm This is an image without code, and the image is a map of China. I'm puzzled...
 
@E_net4 yeah, I've tried to learn Haskell numerous times, but functional programming is more of a puzzle than a serious job
 
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος I'm talking about the language, not the libraries. Well, actually the standard library has also a lot nice features. Problem are people who come from procedural language like C, C++, etc, use often their established coding style in Python. This of course will slow down everything and is just ugly. Using "pythonic" programming, I've seen code to speed up more than a decade.
 
@ewolden Off-topic, but I might try and find that map somewhere and see what era it's from. Taiwan is listed separately, and all in traditional characters, so I'm guessing Republic of China, TW-occupation era (1900~1945)
 
@toohonestforthissite yeah, Python's features aren't exactly meant to be left unused
 
1:56 PM
Just flagged as NAA 8 answers out of 10 in the review queue (one was an audit though)! That's a lot...
 
Actually, so far Python has been the only language to make me feel it's supporting realise my ideas (yeah, that's a bit strong, but the best phrase I have). All other languages (and I tried some, see above) have way too many speed bumpers. Including C (although I prefer it on my main platforms).
 
@rene whenever you have time feel free to weigh in on this (specially if SOCVR are interested to have the output in chat). Can and should we display new question with burninated tags in some room?. For other users information it's a team link, nothing secret if you are interested to join feel free to send an email to contact@sobotics.org
 
@MichaelDodd Googling tells me its China in 1933, good guess.
 
@PetterFriberg that's funky; it uses my first account name (which I changed after a month or so)
 
@Adriaan teams, teams bug :)
 
2:05 PM
@ewolden My wife being Taiwanese means I've read up a lot more about 20th century China & Taiwan than I might otherwise have done
 
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος Haskell isn't my thing either. It's nice to be able to choose when to use functional programming, and especially so without any runtime overheads.
 
@MichaelDodd So, is Taiwan really part of China or not?
 
@Machavity depends on whom you ask; according to China, and internationally de jura: yes. AFAIK de facto it's independent, but can't operate internationally due to China's ban
 
2:24 PM
@Adriaan Some states have reccredited The Republic of China (aka Taiwan), but I recently read the number is decreasing with the increasing economic power of China mainland. Hence it's even further from a seat in the UN. But nevertheless, economically they of course act as an independent country.
 
@Machavity Depends on who you ask. IMO Taiwan is for all intents and purposes independent, and current posturing by the Xi government amounts to nothing more than plain-old bullying.
@Machavity Officially Taiwan is The Republic of China, (not to be confused with the People's Republic of China), and the Kuomintang party still see mainland China as their own territory to be reclaimed one day (never going to happen)
 
@MichaelDodd whut, there's countries recognising Taiwan, but not China-mainland?
 
@Machavity The UN and the US do not recognize Taiwan officially, since at least like the 1970s
 
@Adriaan More the inverse, China refuses to have any relations with any country that formally recognises Taiwan
 
2:33 PM
Tai-what?
 
@TylerH Officially no, but informally there are arrangements. For example, President Tsai recently visited the US and held meetings with diplomats
 
jww
Hi Everyone. Forgive my ignorance... Should we be moving against questions and answers from 2008-2011? As far as I know the site rules were different back then. And I have not found the site rules from that period so it is not clear to me how to adjudicate them. The Wayback machine only provides back to 2012.
 
@MichaelDodd Yes, most countries in the world have an on-the-books informal relationship with Taiwan
IIRC
@jww If it is off-topic now, yes, vote to close as off-topic
 
jww
Thanks Tyler. Where is the authority to do so?
 
A question's open/closure state simply should reflect it's topicality now
 
2:36 PM
@TylerH All I can say is that it's a good job there's little chance of me becoming Foreign Secretary any time soon :)
 
@jww The authority to do so is in your ability to vote to close an old question
@MichaelDodd hehe
@jww this practice has been discussed on Meta in the past; I don't have any links handy, though
 
jww
Thanks Tyler. When I asked for the authority I meant the site's rules, not someone's opinion.
 
Essentially, it's not a concern for an old question to be closed as off-topic now (if it is off-topic now). If it is of low value then the score almost always reflects that, and nothing of value is lost if it is deleted by Roomba
If the question is of value or worth then it likely has multiple answers or a positive score and so won't likely be roomba'd
@jww Ah, well the rules do not specify that you cannot close vote old content, so by default you are allowed to
Close voting rules apply to the content of the post; the date it was posted is (and should be) completely irrelevant
Just like who posted it should be totally irrelevant
 
jww
Thanks Tyler. Is there a way to get the site to codify it in the site's policies and procedures? Past Meta discussions did not bear fruit (otherwise the policy would be written).
 
3:00 PM
@jww If you have close votes for free, check , almost all close-worthy due to the subject.
 
@jww Well, you can always ask on Meta (there's probably a duplicate, but I'm not immediately recalling one). However, a simple reading of the close/reopen privilege in the help center and the close/reopen dialog indicates that the current criteria that are presented are supposed to be used to evaluate any question (i.e. everything is in the present tense and there is no hint at evaluating questions based on how the criteria used to be).
 
Yeah, I always go with present tense. If something was on-topic before, but is not now, that's just the nature of the rules getting more strict when the community feels it can afford to be more fussy.
(FWIW I don't bring old questions here, and although I VtC on old questions, they do not often close, so the question of written policy does not come up too often).
 
@FireAlarm Typo (as the comment suggests)? Or no MCVE?
Tempted to go with the latter as we don't know if it's just a copy-paste error
 
3:34 PM
nvm
 
@NathanOliver More than one way to skin a cat remove bad questions ;)
Gotta love people who go "This isn't allowed, but I'll answer anyways"
 
Yeah, not very sporting
 
@SmokeDetector needs a "do not vandalise" comment
 
@Adriaan I like the self-incrimination of putting "(interview question)" in the title
 
4:08 PM
This request should now be CV'd as a duplicate.
 
@PetterFriberg I posted an initial answer to get the discussion going. I'll check with the RO team when I'm home (I don't have access to the backroom right now)
 
@SmokeDetector Spam? Definitely off-topic and doesn't belong on SO, but don't think it's "spammy"
Ah great, need to work on my wording, smokey's taken that as a tp
 
SmokeDetector's a bot and I'm certain it doesn't know natural language.
 
@Joshua I know, was just drawing the attention of others for a second opinion :)
 
Anyway I think that's spam.
 
4:12 PM
@MichaelDodd basically the first word gets detected as feedback
 
It is spam. It's the equivalent of a job offer, which are spam. The intent is to promote, not to aska question.
 
@Joshua Agreed
 
and nuked
 
@Joshua it does record comments though
 
@MichaelDodd Replies to reports that are not valid feedback are automatically recorded as comments on the metasmoke post.
In this case, the first word "spam" is valid feedback, thus it was recorded as your feedback and the remainder recorded as a comment.
 
4:15 PM
yw
 
@Makyen Cheers, I'll be a bit more careful with wording, or try to break out of that habbit when questioning a smokey post
 
Wow that went quick.
 
Book authors should be forced to provide support for their weird ideas: stackoverflow.com/questions/52189150/…
 
5:49 PM
@toohonestforthissite I tried your recipe with the blue cheese and peaches (I used fresh ones), it turned out delicious! Thank you :)
 
@Vega Good to hear, thanks for the feedback. I hope it was true Roquefort, other cheese might also taste, but does not provide the same experience (I tried it with Gorgonzola once, but that was just a weak replacement.
 
Yes, true Roquefort!
 
Hmm, maybe I should also try fresh peaches one day. Otoh, I think the sugar in the canned ones give a nice sweetness and they just have more juice (ok, I know it's water with sugar, no actual juice)
 
I used very ripe peaches from the market ;) They were juicy
At one point I thought to use "crème de Roquefort" as it's made for cooking purposes, but changed my mind to follow the instructions
 
6:04 PM
@Vega What is "creme de Roquefort"? I use the normal one, it melts excellently. Mabe just not a to mature one (we normally have only one sort in stores which is mostly between yound and middle aged). If that creme is some modified stuff: I don't like this for most things, but prefer more natural things. Ok I do use a specific brand of processed chese for sauces, but otherwise I try to avoid this when cooking freshly.
Exceptions are canned tomatoes for cooking, because they are just better tasting than whatever we get here. Although the fresh ones we can get have improved a lot the last 10-20 years compared to the Holland greenhouse red waterballs.
 
I asked for a 'Creme de Roquefort' but the barista didn't know how to make it:(
 
@MartinJames Lol. I don't think "Blue cheese coffee" will be that much of a grand seller - until Starbucks renames it and sells it for thrice the price.
 
@toohonestforthissite I definitely used the normal one this time, however I use the creme one with chicken (in creme sauce) or to fill cherry tomatoes for the aperitif(appetizer). It's made of creme and the cheese which makes it easy to spread to make melt. labellevie.com/produit/16947/societe-creme-roquefort-5-x-20-g
 
Is this question reopenable or not? Skip the first paragraph and code; question is in the last few lines. It reads to me quite a bit like signal processing theory ("Did I apply this correctly") than programming. Still, contains code, a question and explanation
 
@Vega Well, that looks like a sort of processed cheese with only a small percentage Roquefort. Maybe I'd also use it if I don't heat it up, but in a sauce the original melts fine (which is different from e.g. Gouda).
 
@Adriaan I wouldn't be against reopening it
 
@NathanOliver I'll grammatify it then and reopen it. Thanks
 
6:35 PM
np
 
@Vega: Wait, "Creme legere" … is that some fat-reduced creme fraiche (that what it is here at least)? In that case I wouldn't use it at all - I believe in eating less, but none of that reduced/light/diet stuff.
 
6:49 PM
@Adriaan I'm not even sure this is a proramming question. Looks more like signal processing. And the question are problematic; how would we know the signal has been reconstructed well enough?
 
@toohonestforthissite seeing the progress through the revisions he basically went for Too Broad to a programming question, then solved that himself and now it's signal-processing, although programming related enough for me to reopen. I'd mainly consider the first Q;
 
Whenever I see flying, pink elephants :3
 
Flaps a round of honour for the spectators
 
@Adriaan He might have made progress, but that does not mean the question was on-topic from the start. Basically to see if he signal matches the original well enough (you will always have some deviation) can be as easy as checking if the difference of both stays below a threshold. It can also be much more complicated if e.g. phase differences, harmonics, etc. matter more than the differences of single samples.
Long story short: It's unclear if the math is missing or he want the implementation checked. The latter would be TB/no mcve.
@πάνταῥεῖ So you mean he is real? I thought I just have some visual distortion.
 
:-)
No, that's when the white mice go along with it
 
7:00 PM
@toohonestforthissite You're free to spend your votes as you see fit. It's cv-pls, not cv-or-I'll-stab-you
 
Good idea for another tag :3
 
@Adriaan Meh, I wasn't after the vote, but just to provide a different viewpoint. (and it's reopen, not cv). I'll watch my back, never trusted flying whatevers. They tend to drop something unpleasant on people and most are much smaller than elephants
@πάνταῥεῖ Here's a better "be-nice-or-I'll-be-unfriendly"
 
@toohonestforthissite Your different viewpoint is appreciated. I know it was a reopen, but rule 12 on the FAQ, which I paraphrased, uses close vote
 
@Adriaan So it might actually be "reopen-or-i-stab-you`? What's that blinking behind your back?
Would a RO please install metal detectors? he said buying a ceramic knife
 
7:25 PM
Wow. That took its time now to get these least rep up to 70k. Well, there's rarely stuff to answer in the realm, or I am getting weak with the language.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ pah, C++ is at least big; MATLAB is too small to get anywhere fast, unless you're über-pro, which I am most definitely not
 
Hmm, probably since is my main professional programming language now, I should start to engage there more as well :3
 
The problem with is that 9/10 questions are crap, and 9/10 of those 1/10 are already answered with high-quality answers
 
^ Just that
 
The obvious truth here is that there are no good developers anymore... otherwise they would have invented by now.
 
7:32 PM
Well, I think that's called
+++ expressions are undefined behavior
 
@Justin ghe, in the problem is 9/10 are first year students (dupes), and most of the rest are either "Do my PhD project for me" or GUI-stuff, both of which I'm bad at
 
@πάνταῥεῖ they are undefined in c++ but wouldn't be in c+++ ;-)
 
@TylerH [tag:C**] sounds like more, multiplication trumps additions
 
There are incredibly much Do my homework for me plz questions coming up, for any tag.
 
ghe, that's an interesting tag failure :D
@πάνταῥεῖ not necessarily do my homework, as much as I didn't follow the class, what's this basic syntax?
 
7:35 PM
Yeah, partying all the time rather.
Today's youth. I don't like to see those people at my workplace.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm today's youth; I haven't graduated yet
 
@Adriaan And I can believe you're one of the brave guys?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ am I?
 
Looks like the word has spread SO can be used to cheaply outsource their job.
 
7:49 PM
@SmokeDetector wow, even when put through translate it's ridiculous :D
I have no idea whether it's VLQ or spam...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You've been too much swimming in the Delphi-narium.
 
@toohonestforthissite why is Delphi a thing amongst programmers; delphi-consortium.com is where I'm graduating now :p
 
Well, one thing I can positively say about delphi is, that the one pass compiler is really incredibly fast, but it's much harder you'll need to know what exactly you do than in c++ :-P
 
@Adriaan I'm not sure. I liked Pascal once, them Modula-2 (still a good language). I recently saw some FreePascal code and just thought "how verbose". I could think about going back to Modula (I prefer it's clearer syntax for control statements), but otoh, I have to admit the C syntax is more terse for the experience programmer. Also I'd miss the machine-level operators for some time.
Funny, as I don't use C on a PC, but prefer Python here.
 
@toohonestforthissite Oh, in programming terms I'm still only using MATLAB, although I was forced to Python during the summer for a single project. It's just that I never associate Delphi with a programming language, rather than a consortium on seismology for the petroleum industry
 
7:57 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ For one thing it's more typing and more structured with the declarations, etc. Plus declarations in functions/procedures cost more lines than in C.
 
If the IDE doesn't crash it takes up most of the typing for you :-P
 
@Adriaan Ok, got me. I should have foreseen that :-)
 
@Adrian Besides mobile development it isn't very popular nowadays.
 
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