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11:00 PM
It makes sense, thanks :)
 
The remains of the pattern more resemble something like a Lazy<> wrapper with an optional Factory if you ask me.
 
So, in other words, singletons suck by definition yet their concept can be utilized ? :)
 
C++ tends to be oriented toward large projects and libraries. Libraries usually avoid having singletons. A "good" class supports more than one object and a good library supports more than one client interface at a time.
Singletons are no better or worse in C++ than other languages. Actually their implementation in C++ is fancier than most: they get initialized on first use, in a thread safe fashion, and destroyed in the order opposite their (dynamic) initialization.
You have to use a particular idiom to get those features, but there's nothing wrong with singletons in C++ except that we'd rather raise the abstraction level.
 
Lazy initialization!
I'm figuring out the best way to put C++ code in a Keynote presentation…
 
Injecting the dependency is generally much better than using a singleton.
 
11:06 PM
Also many use cases of singletons in for example Java are implemented by namespace in C++.
 
So what exactly is going to happen when SO will reach 1M unanswered questions? Party somehow?
 
@Cicada The universe will end ...
 
@Cicada Nothing.
 
@Cicada Everyone gets drunk.
Then we get drunk to celebrate getting drunk.
Meta drunk.
 
What do you see in getting drunk exactly :) ?
I've never really quite understood the concept of getting drunk.
I see no advantages yet i can't speak from experience since I've actually managed to successfully avoid such state so far.
 
Ell
11:10 PM
I also don't see the appeal
 
Me too.
 
Ell
I don't drink whatsoever
 
I do drink, but never to an extent when it influences my ability to do whatever.
 
I like turtles.
 
It's quite difficult to pet turtles ....
 
Ell
11:13 PM
I don't see the appeal of drugs either
Now sex. That's what I see the appeal for. Unfortunately the only one of three I can't have :L
 
@ScarletAmaranth Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are difficult to pet.
@Ell visit the hookers xD
 
Ell
One of my classmates has a pet turtle
Haha I don't want to lose my virginity to a hooker ;)
 
Wat.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Teenage mutant, ninja turtles ... dude, i hate you, now i can't get the soundtrack out of my head ... are you proud of yourself now ... ?
@RadekdaknokSlupik May the barbarians invade your personal space ...
 
Drunk turtles.
 
What am I doing here.
 
Nothing productive.
 
That's an excellent question.
 
Etienne de Martel : 1
 
Actually, that's a question we all constantly ask ourselves in this very chatroom.
 
11:17 PM
Cicada : 0
:)
 
Ell
Of teenage mutant hooked turtles
 
@ScarletAmaranth You missed an e.
 
I deeply apologize for my sacrilegious behavior!
 
Jan 21 at 18:58, by sbi
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: I seriously don't understand what I am doing in this chatroom. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
Ell
Teenage mutant hooked turtles
 
11:18 PM
Il vaudrait probablement mieux que j'aille dormir dans ce cas.
 
@Ell You could always give it to a hooker, then convince yourself either that she's really not a hooker, or that you will transform her into something else. (Also, I am replying to message #3777773. Neato.)
 
@Cicada C'est une bonne idée.
 
Je né parle pas français.
 
Me neither.
Or do i.
BED, HERE I COME
 
That was a bit too good to be translated.
 
11:18 PM
[] + {} === {} && {} + [] === 0 // true in JavaScript
 
Ell
Je parler un peux de francais
 
Tres bien!
 
Ell
I had my French exam the other day
 
Unfortunately, the only thing i can say in French is " Je veux sucer des bites en enfer. " which i rather you don't even bother translating : - )
 
[][[]] === {}['']
 
11:20 PM
I never had a grade higher than 5 for French. xD
 
Ell
I had an epic fail. I heard mil neuf cent quatre vingt cinq. So I wrote 1000, 900, 7
And of course, 4 * 20 = 60
 
French pronunciation of numbers logic is an epic fail.
 
My French vocabulary is limited to "Omelette du fromage"
 
@manasij7479 It's "omelette au fromage".
 
Ell
So I wrote 1967 instead of 1987 becsuse I somehow got four twenties to be sixty
 
11:22 PM
du? An ommelette 'of' cheese?
 
"cinq" is 7?
 
@Potatoswatter 5
 
omelet met kaas!
 
That's what I thought.
 
Ell
Sorry I meant sept
 
11:22 PM
@RadekdaknokSlupik Omelete van kaas dan
 
@EtiennedeMartel It was in a cartoon iirc.
 
Yeah, Dexter's Laboratory.
 
@sehe ranzig.
 
@Ell So you failed maths, counting and typing, but not French :)
 
That silly language of yours reminds me of German :P
 
Ell
11:23 PM
Yes :L
I can speak I little spanish
 
Ell
And a tiny. It of norwegian
 
Which I used to know quite well until I took an arrow in the knee and until i actually ceased to speaking it at all :)
 
I can somewhat read a little bit of spanish.
 
Ell
Hola, me llamo elliot
More importantly I have a chemistry exam in the morning and don't know the anion tests :s
 
11:25 PM
... instinctive translation isn't flattering: "Holy, I'm a lame elliot"
SCNR
 
clang y u no understand typographer quotes!
Anyway, I'm going to bed.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Because it conforms to the C++ standard?
@RadekdaknokSlupik Tomorrow... chem?
 
@sehe the standard only specifies a minimum character set.
@sehe what? I'm not going to sleep.
 
Ell
Hello, my name is Elliot :D
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik For identifiers. I'm pretty sure clang will accept them inside L"literals"?
@Ell Yeah, I figured. Mine was more funny, admit it
 
Ell
11:28 PM
Yea :L
Me amo a mi madre
Me amo a su Madre
 
At least switch to latin :-/, dis fancy Spanish of yours I know literally nothing about :)
 
+1
 
Ell
Carpe diem
 
Do it yourself
 
@sehe I want them for beginning and ending string literals.
 
Ell
11:29 PM
Ad infinitum. Ad hoc. De facto. Fideliter et fortiter
I'm done :P
 
You should at least teach yourself more fancy ones Ell :)
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik What if someone else wants them inside?
 
Ell
Haha that's all I know :L I don't generally use Latin everyday. Unless you count biology, lactobacillis sachharomyces aspergillis etc.
 
@Potatoswatter they'd escape them.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik The standard absolutely specificies 'standard' quotes there, no way it just defines the minimum. However, you can use them in raw literals, I guess: auto trythis = R"“(test)”"
 
11:32 PM
Or use raw literals.
 
I did have quite a lot of biology but I've never really had to know the latin stuff in this area :) Tho I do have some decent basics of "everyday-latin" :)
 
And what if you stringify such a string? Now I have to add more special cases to my preprocessor.
 
hello @scottw
 
I do have the basics of everyday fire-escaping and bungee-repair
 
Ell
My brother knows Greek so I can say: thelis napexis Nazi zombies. (phonetically writren) - do you want to play Nazi zombies
 
11:34 PM
@sehe ;)
 
Nazi zombies is the only fun part in Black Ops.
 
@Ell Όχι ευχαριστώ, είμαι απασχολημένος με άλλα πράγματα.
 
@sehe It's quite funny how useful latin can be, sometimes ... :) (It's even funnier that knowing a language that's actually in use would be kinda more useful :P)
 
Van α tot ω.
 
Ell
Is that green or a load of random Cyrillic :L
 
11:35 PM
On the other hand, the structure is fairly insightful thing to look into ...
 
@Ell Greek.
 
It's Greek, HENCE it's a load of random Cyrillic :P :P
 
@ScarletAmaranth Yeah, it will totally save the day when 'Harrius Potter' arrives in the mail
 
Ell
Haha. I must say scarletamaranth, you are a barrel of fun
 
I knew about six alphabets last year but due to not using them I forgot parts. 3:
 
11:36 PM
@ScarletAmaranth ? AFAIK cyrillic is the Russian script, which is quite remote from the Greek script?
 
@sehe I haven't ordered it yet but it's on my wishlist :) I fell in love with it as you posted the link. But I'll spend a lot of time googling a lot of phrases :)
 
Latin, Greek, Cyrillic, Hangeul, Hiragana and Katakana.
 
@sehe Mhm, russians use Azbuka that's derived from Cyrillic ?
 
@ScarletAmaranth So yeah, funny how 'useful' it gets :)
 
@sehe I am not really sure actually.
 
Ell
11:37 PM
I ancay eakspay igpay atinlay
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik You are a freak of nature. Make sure they don't hire you midway college. You'd be dealt a low deal if you skip college with that kind of learning ability
 
hahahaa
 
Learning an alphabet is a piece of cake.
 
Ell
As much as I'd like to stall the eventual arrival of my chemistry exam, I must sleep.
 
11:39 PM
Yeah i learned azbuka during my week in Bulgaria ... :) But the eastern ones are heaps more fun ;)
 
And no, not space cake.
@Ell when is your chemistry exam?
 
Ell
Buenas nochas. Bonne nuit. Good night. Oodgay ightnay
 
Mine is Tuesday :P
 
Ell
In about 8 hours :L
 
That's fun. L:
 
Ell
11:40 PM
Lucky you :(
Anyway bye bye
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik It's not just about that. Just finish the darn college :) Or two. And get that 'stage' abroad. I'm just warning you since I detect that you might be the pragmatic type (since you didn't elect Univ. Leiden, or even TUD/TUe/...) and there is a risk that you underestimate the value of finishing college when you get a nice job opportunity (or ten) along the way
 
I have a final exam tommoz, in my ridiculous excuse for an university ...
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik There is no space in alphabets, I knew that
 
@sehe It's nice to live in a country that actually gives you an opportunity to study in a good college :)
 
11:42 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Define "good college"
 
According to my physics teacher, physics ain't fun. It is "verrukkelijk", "geweldig", "ten-hemel strijdend", "orgasmisch", and "geel".
 
@sehe The one that doesn't spend 2 semesters teaching you how to convert from binary to octal ? :)
 
It's mostly what you bring, always as ever
@RadekdaknokSlupik Geel? That's PC for 'geil' I guess?
@RadekdaknokSlupik Who's that? Not Theo v Egeraadt? You mentioned the guy's name, I guess
 
@sehe he said he was melig when composing that list xD
@sehe no, and neither Ad van Egeraat.
 
No shit.
 
11:44 PM
@sehe The one where your "tutor" with "Phd." doesn't claim that "strings in C are a primitive type" ;)
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Memory CRC error detected :)
 
You have the memory of a sieve.
I remember everything.
 
@ScarletAmaranth In TUD they will claim no such thing because they teach you Modula-2 (at least, when I was a freshman there)
@RadekdaknokSlupik "In loving memory of a sieve"
Luckily there's other stuff I can do fairly well :)
@RadekdaknokSlupik That's why I called you a freak of nature.
I've met a few collegues of that 'type' and they are invaluable to companies. They only have to worry about their own ambitions, really.
 
@sehe It's crossed my mind several times to quit this sodding institution that calls itself a university so that i can actually learn something on my own while working :) (on interesting stuff actually)
 
I remember that the teacher in primary school had lost his agenda while I was composing a list of things I had done the past eight years. XD
 
11:48 PM
hai all
 
hey a lion! watch out!
 
@ScarletAmaranth That's gonna be tough too, I did that. In retrospect, I don't know which sucks more. I didn't think it was as boring, but in terms of big-picture preparation (so, aside from language fetish) I think college is a nice thing to have had. You might do it half-way (step out for a year or two, to work as a programmer) and then revisit college.
That requires some balls and you must trust yourself to come back after those 2 years :)
 
Mac OS X Tony
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik For bonus points: and you could still remember the details of the agenda you reconstructed for that teacher?
 
Only that it was purple, but nothing more.
 
11:50 PM
Oh well. At least you can still be a programmer
ROFL
 
I'm sure it was purple.
Oh well. At least I have something to tell to my grandchildren in a year or sixty.
 
@sehe It's killing me to see the approach of people that call themselves teachers in my uni ... also the whole approach of the institution itself being focused solely on memorizing random load of crap that rarely has anything to do with computer science whatsoever ...
@sehe I don't see any advantage of finishing this uni aparat from the fact that I'll get an "engineer" degree which i will not give a damn about
 
@ScarletAmaranth Time to get over it. Get yourself the education you want. Seek out the teachers that do know how to stimulate your growth and find it yourself. SO chat helps a tiny bit, but not if you use it as a 'lamenting chanel' mostly. Learn stuff here. Find that teacher's assistant that actually knows about 'the real world'. Get yourself an extra student position for extra credit and excitement.
 
@sehe Here's a question. Have you ever felt that something would have been easier at some point had you decided to finish your college ?
@sehe Naah i don't usually lament here :) But i fancy "lamenting" from time to time since sometimes it's unBEARable which yourself should know a lot about (a very sneaky reference to your picture :P).
 
Ik heb zin in een bakkie pleur met een kano.
 
11:55 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Yes. Not the technical stuff of course, but there is so much more. That big picture thing I mentioned before. Also, in my particular case, I might not have gotten burned out after ~10 years of working, because I never stopped 'proving myself' (ludicrous, but still: this is 'baggage' that I could have dispelled by having a degree...)
@RadekdaknokSlupik Kano?
@ScarletAmaranth Only about twice a day :)
@ScarletAmaranth It's just a picture. :)
 
ow, I'll take an apple. BRB
 
@sehe I actually don't think i've ever lamented here (apart from now :)) but do prove me wrong :-)
 
I have an Apple in my hand right now.
Bad pun.
 
Very very
 
11:58 PM
I can't wait till I attend college.
 
@sehe Whenever I'm here, i spend most of the time asking random stuff or trolling people :P That can't be considered lamentation!!! :)
 
@ScarletAmaranth everybody does that here.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Ok, i admit it seems to be more something of recent weeks
 

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