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3:02 PM
hiya g'2171 and HNY
 
yo!
holidays are over, back to the grind : (
 
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Q: The Devil is in the [details]

j08691For some reason there is a details tag which is being applied to everything from the HTML <details> element to getting details about a file. 148 questions No excerpt No wiki "Details" is a very broad term that refers to no specific software or methodology, and is being combined with virtuall...

 
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gunr would be proud; I survived the meeting
 
woot!
 
Hiya gunr
Congratulations Tyler for besting the meetings monster.
 
3:15 PM
rawr
 
@FOX9000 looks okay
 
seems legit
 
I have fully returned.
There seems to have been an unwitting casualty in my quest to keep weight off.
The Burger King on my way to work has decided to uninstall =w=
 
@Feeds so I think at some point we (meta) should have a discussion on the shear number of burninate requests VS the amount of time it takes to complete a single one. Some data I just whipped up
@Compass welcome back
 
3:32 PM
@Compass I celebrated New Years with a double quarter pounder with cheese from McDonald's
first time I've eaten McDonald's in probably 5 or 6 years
 
yum
 
I saw not one, but two posts on social media of people starting their new years that way, and I just couldn't resist
 
Do you have Five Guys?
 
Yes
soooo good
 
@TylerH not a Royale With Cheese?
 
3:33 PM
I had one of those on New Year's Day
 
Not in my town but in the next town over, about 45 min away
@gunr2171 I dunno what that is
 
Local McDonalds here only employs 4 guys...
 
@gunr2171 maybe something for a room meeting, if we have one soon?
 
Apparently when they say open 7 days a week they mean it
 
@TylerH You haven't seen Pulp Fiction then. Never mind.
 
3:33 PM
@gunr2171 Nope
Isn't that a Tarantino movie?
 
Chipotle was closed, Five Guys was not, so I destroyed a burger nomnomnom.
 
@rene wow, way to drop that hint.... : )
 
How to burger: Hamburger + All the Way + Jalapenos + Onions
 
@TylerH yep
 
haven't seen any tarantino movies
@Compass no no no, burger, cheese, ketchup, buns
done
 
3:34 PM
eh, that might be ok
 
That is one boring burger.
 
it's a proper burger
 
It's boring.
 
no it's delicious
 
ketchup is terrible
 
3:35 PM
food isn't supposed to be interesting
it's supposed to be delicious
 
It can be both.
 
sure but it can't be interesting at the cost of being delicious
that's sacrilege
@gunr2171 I'm not sure what that graph is indicating
 
what about lettuce, tomato, onions, mushrooms, etc? That stuff is all great on burgers!
 
@gunr2171 sounds like the makings of a salad
 
Flags room for a moderator to be migrated to Seasoned Advice
 
3:36 PM
which doesn't belong on a burger
@gunr2171 anyway ketchup is the only condiment that's worth having, aside from chocolate sauce
 
@TylerH Number of burninate-request posts that have or don't have a [status-complete] tag.
 
Mustard, Ketchup, Salad, cheese, onions, burger, tomatoes, cheese, pickles, majonaise. Between good buns. Chesse be real cheese not those processed chees slices.
 
burgers have two toppings; cheese and bacon
 
true, though I usually am guilty of taking the bacon off and enjoying it on its own
 
3:37 PM
@gunr2171 perhaps we could start focusing on burninate requests again
we haven't had coordinated queue sessions in a long time
 
well that's the thing. Burninate requests take a huge amount of effort.
 
might be a good time to bring Closey back, too...
@gunr2171 well I think it might be huge in comparison to the effort we've been putting in recently... which is zero
 
I think we (SOCVR) worked hard on GoDaddy, and that took a month
 
the work is not the issue, the push back from meta was
 
this answer doesn't answer the question, but what to do with it? He says "others already answered, but this is also wrong in your code(...)"
 
3:40 PM
people pushed back on meta? =w=
 
I guess what I'm looking for is "should we as a community still even bother? Are burninate requests even that important for the health of the site?"
 
but several of the ones I've seen lately are only 100 to 300 questions
which would take a group of users like an hour to finish
 
@TylerH yeah, and the list I have takes that into account as well
 
@Adriaan looks okay to me. If you find it not useful you can down vote. To me there is no flag for it.
 
@Compass better now?
 
3:41 PM
@rene link?
 
If we're referring to my horrible case of food poisoning which resulted in me replacing my daily intake of tasty food with Powerade, then yes owo.
 
@NathanOliver it might be useful, but it doesn't even attempt to answer. It's like saying that It's faster to go by train to Berlin than to walk from here. More than true, but not answering their question. I'm therefore tempted to an NAA flag, but I know that'd be declined
 
but I edited on github but that got lost when someone killed the repo
Not blaming anyone, at all ....
 
3:42 PM
Canned dog food actually smells a lot better than I thought it would.
 
Reflags room for a moderator to move room to pets.se
 
@rene tuna
 
@Adriaan Just because it doesn't answer the question does not mean it is not an answer. I have seen plenty and have given a few myself where I just say don't do that, do this instead and then explain this.
 
@gunr2171 yeah, I gave the greenlight on that ... :(
 
NAA means it is not an answer at all. Not that it is not an answer to the question asked.
 
3:44 PM
Wrong answer is still an answer.
If they're asking for apples and you provide an orange, it's still technically an answer. It's a horrible answer =w=
 
@NathanOliver sure, but he doesn't tell the OP that he'd better do something else, he merely tells him he might have his coordinates swapped. That should be a comment
 
@NathanOliver technically it does mean not an answer to the question asked but meta has decided to use it as not an answer at all
if you go by its description in the close dialogue window...
 
if its like "Try this" then I would say it is NAA <_<
 
And it's such low hanging fruit to fix
@Compass why
@rene That doesn't seem like pushback, that looks like healthy discussion about whether a given tag should be burninated, in other words... system's working as it should
 
Like "Have you considered turning it off and on again."
That's not an answer. That's a comment.
 
3:48 PM
@gunr2171 also doesn't seem like pushback from meta, just looks like one moderator who disagrees with some specific question closures/deletions
@Compass Well in that form yes
but if the solution is really turning your computer off and on again, then saying "try this: turn your computer off and back on" is actually a correct answer
Just because they say "try" this instead of "do" this doesn't mean it's a guess or a question
 
Obviously in the rare case of that, sure.
 
It's an indication that, given the information at hand, the answer should work
to the best of their knowledge
if it doesn't, vote it down
 
But it's like "My computer is making buzzing noises." Turning it on and off again may fix it, but the reason it's making buzzing noises is not because you haven't turned it off =w=
The nice thing about being back at work is being able to pick something for lunch.
 
@Compass that question should be closed as too broad or unclear and the answer downvoted because it's just a guess
it really depends on each case but just a "try this" answer alone is not enough to know whether it qualifies as NAA. In my opinion, most of the times it won't
 
In case this is still related to the answer I asked about: that one said "Others have answered, but this unrelated thing might or might not be also wrong"
 
4:02 PM
@StephenLeppik looks specific to me
 
@StephenLeppik Made an edit. Still broad but worth keeping IMHO.
 
@approxiblue it's essentially asking "what is the easiest way to do [task]?" You can't argue that as specific (ignoring @NathanOliver's edit)
 
@StephenLeppik looks (like it can easily be edited and kept, no need to close it because it's not) specific to me
 
Let's delete all posts that gave those mods their rep ...
 
4:30 PM
is there any way for us mortals to see if a tag is blacklisted?
I shouldn't type and think
 
:|
 
^ meh
"This question has been put on-hold since you loaded the page - please refresh and try your action again." Crap, way too slow
 
yep, a golden hammer has fallen :)
 
Hammers are not fair. They don't give plebeians like me the chance to close the question.
 
@gunr2171 get some score, will you ...
 
I already knew someone would like to that image :)
I hate those eyes...
I didn't draw them very well
 
those eyes are so... judgmental
 
@gunr2171 So you're saying we need to stop hammer time?
 
....yes
That's good when you know you're down
 
@rene Isn't there a column in the DB for that?
 
4:48 PM
Do I do ghost pepper chicken curry?
 
@NathanOliver would it be that easy .. hold on
 
@gunr2171 I just linked another opportunity for you to cast a close vote :)
 
odd
Brad Larson locked an answer by Boltclock on meta
rather than just moving comments to chat?
 
@NathanOliver maybe it is but that isn't exported to sede
 
@rene Bummer. I thought there was one. Could be wrong though.
 
5:34 PM
I may have been too eager closing this as a duplicate. It's crap imo, but there may be a better JSON parsing in C# post. Anyone here with gold in C#?
 
5:46 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis I'm not even close but in the Python room you might find Poke
@SotiriosDelimanolis it is deleted anyway
 
@FOX9000 rejected, it changed the format of the file contents.
 
6:08 PM
@Compass Can you send me some after that?
 
??? wat
 
Oh, I thought you were talking making food.
 
no i bought it, it was tasty
super spicy, just the way i like it
I evolve into Charmander
 
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flags rene as spam
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6:25 PM
 
^ meh. TB to me
 
I agree
 
7:24 PM
Do we deal with copy/paste/link answers? stackoverflow.com/a/41450137/4774918
 
@Olaf Or you can vote to delete the whole thing as I just did...
 
@Tunaki I would ahve, if I could. Maybe I should head for the gold-badge.
 
@Olaf I'd say it low quality just on the grounds that it's a code-only answer.
 
@4castle Yes I read your comment. I'm actually more upset because he just takes someone else's answer, even removed the information. Rep-vamp.
 
7:52 PM
We'll be having another SOCVR room meeting on January 16th. Review existing proposed topics here and submit new ones here.
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/me sharpens spear.
 
Is it still bring your own beer?
 
submits a new topic, Throw Kyll out of the room
 
Yeah. We can provide some waffles but not much.
 
@BhargavRao SECONDED
 
7:55 PM
Thirded...?
 
Fourthed, clearly
 
@BhargavRao You can't throw italics people!
@BhargavRao Nope
 
(Not taking any mod action there, though)
@Kyll Gotcha, Thx
 
no idea on that NAA. I think might need a python person
(and seeing you have a gold in that....)
 
8:03 PM
If you think you need a python person, Then certainly, it's not a NAA.
 
Bah it's saying that two access a variable defined in function A from function B, you can have a global var. Answer. Pretty bad.
 
then my gut says "not naa, though down/delete vote as needed"
 
@BhargavRao Not link-only but kinda low quality. I'd say it's worthy of protecting the question, though
 
I'd have not flagged it. :P
 
@BhargavRao Looks like NAA to me. It is not only link-only, but also does not answer the question, which clearly asks for not having an external name definition.
 
8:06 PM
@TylerH low quality would again not be quite accurate their. It's somewhat borderline.
 
@Olaf NAA is to be used for "not an answer at all", not for "does not answer the question that was asked
 
@Olaf The second part there is a "downvote reason". Not a flag reason.
 
@Tunaki Read the question carefully. It clearly asks for not using an outside definition.
 
Yeah maybe it does. Still not NAA/VLQ worthy
 
@BhargavRao I think VLQ judgments are largely opinion-based. In my personal opinion only, it's very low quality. In my opinion which takes into account how meta feels, it's only kind of low quality
 
8:08 PM
I did cast a delete vote there
 
@TylerH True.
I'm not going to take any mod action there, As I'm myself completely unsure of what to do.
 
@TylerH I stated two reasons. But interesting how people concentrate on the one aspect which supports their opinion only ... With that fruit-images in mind: the questions asks for apples, but the answer presents oranges.
 
@Olaf I was just responding to your first sentence in general
but to be specific, it's not link-only
 
@BhargavRao See my last comment ^
 
@BhargavRao it's kinda like weighing the choice if you are under 2k and you want to make an edit: do I think this edit that fixes a couple missing commas is worth it? Yes. Do I think it is worth putting through the queue to waste 3-5 peoples' time? Probably not
 
8:10 PM
@TylerH I answered both of you.
 
@Olaf my rebuttal stands
@BhargavRao So yeah, if I could take unilateral or non-queue action to delete that answer, I probably would
but I'm not gonna cast a flag to put it in front of other people to have to deal with
 
So does my opinion. How about we let them stand and meet in the pub for a good beer?
 
This is the reason why I feel that there's should be a convert to comment option for 30k. :D
 
but yours is wrong! So you're paying for the beer :-)
 
That'd have made a perfect comment
 
8:13 PM
@BhargavRao eh I think that should be a mod-only ability
Seems like there's way too much potential for abuse if 30k users (of which I have seen many bad apples) can simply commentify an answer
 
Yeah, It can be misused a lot. I spoke about it with the other devs.
 
especially considering comments are meant to be ephemeral and if deleted can't be easily reinstated or re-answerified
 
Yep, that. 3 people gang up. Convert to comment, then flag the comment. The answer is gone poof.
 
@TylerH Too bad we don't have a mod here ...
 
btw @BhargavRao when I search "cv-pls" it shows me 19 pages...
not 3
 
8:15 PM
@TylerH Use the Tiny Userscript. It'll show you the ones that need to be attended to.
 
D-:
can't, userscript-free
I will just sort by newest
 
Yep, Sort by newest and go through the first 3 pages.
 
@BhargavRao What is this "Tiny" userscript?
 
@BhargavRao Oh, that one. I see 2 pages on it now
 
8:20 PM
Ah, Some good Samaritan has cleaned those up.
Hmm, weird. Samaritan auto capitalized, Did not know that it had to be written so.
 
It is a citizen of Samaria
 
Then I should change my mind dictionary to use the right version from next time. :D
 
the good Samaritan title comes from the parable in the Bible where a Samaritan helps a beaten and forlorn traveler on a road (usually described in the story as a Jew), and historically Samaritans and Jews despised each other. So the Samaritan who stopped to help his enemy and thus "loved his neighbor" was a "good Samaritan"
 
I like the "mind dictionary" version better. Explains TLM better.
 
The Lost Dictionary(TM)
 
8:26 PM
Meanwhile the NATO has got 4 new bad posts. Anyone looking at that?
 
hey, make up your mind (dictionary)! I'm reviewing old cv-pls requests!
 
You gotta do 4 tasks at once :p
 
8:52 PM
Hello!
 
Hello hooman!
 
o/
 
@SmokeDetector first world problems
 
@SmokeDetector what the heck were doing the testing and unit testing tags there?
 
9:00 PM
I don't feel like crafting CSS for 4K is a first-world problem.
... sigh
 
@Compass 0th world problem. We are programmers. We start counting at 0.
 
Do we really?
 
@Yam I don't see how it's now a better question...
 
Well, unless you like fence posts
 
@gunr2171 Not enough abstractions. I use a library that counts for me.
 
9:04 PM
Don't we have to define zero as a constant?
 
@gunr2171 Unless you are a MATLAB programmer.
 
@Tunaki Just use jQuery. It counts everything.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara what, do you start at i or e?
 
@gunr2171 Arrays actually start at 1.
I hear there are also other strange design choices, but I don't use it.
 
> (Person 1) Anybody have any quirks or problems in matlab that they just can't explain? Things where there isn't an error (syntax or logical) but things don't work? I'm interested in knowing some of these.
> (Person 2) As would I, and as would Technical Support.
nice
> When an anonymous function is created, Matlab actually stores a copy of the whole environment
 
9:09 PM
Ah, but it's MATLAB. Not matlab.
 
DON'T shoot the messenger
 
I hear switch cases always break, so fall-though is not possible.
 
@gunr2171 ehh... WUT!
 
did you mean, don't SHOOT the messenger?
 
9:10 PM
Why none of your keyboards have U?
 
I like how most of the top hits for "matlab quirks" are mailing lists and university sites
 
luckily we only have to use Latex, R, gretl and Stata in my department
 
you use R? I've been meaning to look into it. Any good?
 
@gunr2171 do you need to do statistic analysis? Otherwise, not very interesting.
 
ah, ok
 
9:20 PM
it doesn't lend itself as general purpose language
 
As my doctor mentioned it to me, it's a programming language for people who don't want to bother with full-stack coding.
Like Excel formulas <_<
 
I thought it was just a programming language for pirates.
 
That's Arrrrrgh++
 
9:36 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Lol en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%2B%2B
 
9:50 PM
Room meeting registration. Help us know how many people to expect.
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That's because we'll send goodies after the meeting, for the people attending.
 
cookies?
how many bytes do I get?
 
floopies
 
@gunr2171 2^0
 
well, it's better than nothing
 
9:56 PM
let nothing = 2
 
@Tunaki 2^0 = 1 smh
 
hence "it's better than nothing"
 
But, 2 is better than 1, nvm...
 
1 is better than nothing
it's also the loneliest number
 
it's also the ONLY number that when subtracted by 1 gives you 0, base 10.
Incredible right
 
10:01 PM
I'm out for today, cya
 
@gunr2171 looks like most RO's will join the meeting ...
 
@rene Let's have a RO meeting lol
 
Why are the members even invited since we won't listen to them anyway
 
Let's not make public that this is not a democracy ...
 
10:16 PM
Hi all. o/
 
Fine... I'll crash the party
 
10:52 PM
Found of the day: adafruit.com/products/1023 who doesn't want to cuddle a 1MOhm resistor?! :P
 
11:07 PM
 
Off to bed.
Cya! o/
 
11:46 PM
17 CVs left...
I am okay for 12 of them to dupe hammer.
Any? Others I want for myself.
Eh, I guess only the dupehammers.
Not much time.
Can we request for deletion of LQ answer with a vote of +1/-4?
 
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