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meta.stackoverflow.com/q/296608/792066 all post deleted in 2016 that are still deleted
 
12:15 AM
the maybe not aliens seems to be aliens after all
 
12:30 AM
Wow, that was a quick self-deletion
 
 
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1:33 AM
Actually, can someone delete the above?
Forgot the "no action on self asked/answered" rule.
Actually actually, never mind; I'll just delete my answer. :P
 
 
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user3956566
2:45 AM
rude flags stackoverflow.com/questions/41454373/… for people with greater than 10k rep
 
3:04 AM
Ole!
 
3:50 AM
Questions with voting and answers like this make me sad.
 
user3956566
@TigerhawkT3 when people are true novices they can ask basic questions and not know the words for them
 
@YvetteColomb They already did know the words. "How do I pass number into the dothis() function".
And two upvotes, and an upvoted answer.
If I asked a question like that, I wonder what the response would be.
Something fancy-sounding, maybe; with a comprehension or mutable variables.
 
 
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5:17 AM
@Closey next tags
no Closey?
The tags to work on are are , , and .
 
5:38 AM
night \o
 
5:56 AM
"my question is not duplicate" Heh heh.
 
6:16 AM
morning everyone
 
 
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7:18 AM
Plop!
 
Feeds @Kyll
 
@Tushar I'll soon die of heart disease at that point. i.stack.imgur.com/d93QO.png
 
I posted a topic proposal for the meeting, btw.
 
@Magisch Closing and deleting it Checking
@Magisch Don't forget to register on the event if you can make it
Plop @AndyK! Long time no see
 
7:48 AM
Anyone here who knows AngularJS? Can this accepted answer be edited into something meaningful?
 
@NisseEngström Ouch. Going to try...
 
I suppose "you're using incompatible versions" can be a useful answer for anyone coming in from google
With improved language I think it should be ok
 
Morning \o
 
@NisseEngström Edited. What do you think?
 
@Kyll Any thoughts as a RO?
 
7:55 AM
@Kyll Nice. Well done!
 
@Magisch As a RO I think it's an interesting topic, which has been somewhat debated before
 
I saw an instance of it happening yesterday
and I catched myself thinking "If that was me/my question that they were mocking mercilessly there, I'd probably be annoyed/sad about that if I ever saw it"
 
@NisseEngström Thanks =D
 
If an instance of that is trotted out on meta it's bound to make us look like a horrible elitist club
 
While we are one in reality...
 
8:00 AM
Well we already have a whole FAQ section about that:
> Work with the OP to get their post into shape. Most content has some value. Save it before you try to destroy it.
> If you leave a comment (or custom close reason) be prepared to interact with the OP. In all cases be nice and helpful.
 
This is before OP is already in the room though
What do you think the chances are OP is going to be willing to work with us if the first thing they read is how we mocked them and their question above? @Kyll
 
I'm not fond of rhetoric questions. Of course someone won't be willing to help if the first thing that happened to their post is a bunch of non-constructive comments
If someone comes in chat,
> A post is to be actively handled by only one member of the room. We don’t need 4 members all leaving witty statements in the comments or in chat.
That is, the cv-pls requester discusses with OP. If nothing good comes out of it, the conversation should be halted (or proceeded on Meta)
 
Right
So in your opinion it's already not in line with our rules to make snide/snarky comments on CV pls requests
I guess the topic becomes then if we need to start enforcing that because atm we're not
 
There's not much point in enforcing this IMHO if it destroys the mood. Being snarky toward posts isn't too destructive, particularly in "obvious" cases (post in another language, asdfasdf content, etc)
Don't worry, if it becomes a habit it will be noticed and dealt with appropriately. I don't see much of a pattern at the moment
 
To be honest, the few comments I saw yesterday in glancing made me feel like I'm part of some snobby close clique
and that annoys me
 
8:08 AM
@Magisch See comment on above request. I'm not okay with our regulars posting that kind of crap
 
I know
 
Hiya
 
It's just ... I've been in the situation where I understand nothing and desperately need an answer before. I don't harbor any ill will towards people who post bad questions. I'd wish they'd read and format before posting, but it makes me sad when people who may be desperate get condescension or sarcasm in response
And I don't want to be part of what causes that.
 
Plop BR and kayess
 
Hiya @Kyll @Bhar
 
8:13 AM
\o
 
@Magisch Agreed. Also, don't be afraid to be proactive when seeing such behaviour from other regulars. Don't go picking fights now, but a small "That comment of yours wasn't very constructive" can already achieve a lot.
 
o/
 
Dat train break at the locomotive tho.
 
No waffles day
 
plop @Kyll sup matey?
yeah, long time no see. lack of time, new job
running and running
story of my life
-_-
 
8:22 AM
Welp, still a student and all. Partiels cette semaine...
Congrats for the new job =D Software industry?
 
8:33 AM
@AshishAhuja @Seth Added to the Watch
 
@Kyll ah lucky you matey. Doing a lot of IT, writing codes but not in the software industry, though
not this time, I mean
Good luck with les partiels
 
Thanks =D
 
Hiya
@Kyll :D
 
Plop Tuna and rene
And now afk. o/
 
see ya matey
 
8:52 AM
The post was closed 4 minutes before your [cv-pls] Graveyard'd
 
No idea which cv-pls you mean ...
 
9:10 AM
@BhargavRao Thanks for the response. I see the Q has been deleted. While I was looking at the whole Q&A, the answer that SmokeDetect reported was deleted from my screen. The Q did not update, hence my cv-pls above. Perhaps I should refresh the page more often. Thanks.
 
Bah, It's K. :D
Whenever I handle a spam post, I make sure that the question is also proper.
 
9:22 AM
I am hungry...
 
feeds trolls to @PraveenKumar
 
> kills them with the power of @kayess
 
@user2314737 can you tag this right? [tag:cv-pls]
 
runs to get some food
 
@Tunaki I'm on mobile and cannot edit the post. Should I post it again?
 
9:27 AM
@user2314737 Nope
 
Morning all and Happy New Year ★~*~*~☆ндρρч(+≧3≦)йёщ(≧ε≦+)чёдγ☆~*~*~★ youtube.com/watch?v=j9K796cnJ5o
 
It was taken care of by our lovely mod :)
@EdChum Hyia and happy new year
 
@EdChum UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte
 
@EdChum Happy New Year!
 
9:48 AM
With a NAA... :D
 
@PraveenKumar the 2nd one is off topic, since it is asking for tutorials (Can anyone direct me to a website , course or video that is upto date and will actually work.)
 
@Shadow Right... Close it as such.
 
I already did :)
 
10:16 AM
 
10:27 AM
@PraveenKumar I was once scolded by SF users for migrating XAMPP stuff. They consider it a dev problem, not something that belongs in the server room ...
 
@rene Oh.... Okay...
 
I'd like to see rene being scolded, for real.
2
 
But isn't that for these kind of issues, how can routing be considered dev problem...
Someone's getting fried now...
 
@PraveenKumar yeah, true, maybe it is just too broad
 
@rene Okay... Let's close it.
 
10:35 AM
@PraveenKumar left a comment there
 
@rene Okay buddy.. But what will happen if we send a migration to Server Fault and then they later on migrate it again to us? Will it be a football or what?
 
@PraveenKumar it will be a rejected migration and then it will be up to us to either close it or answer it
 
@rene Oh okay...
 
10:50 AM
 
11:25 AM
del plz ^^^
 
delete voted
 
@Tunaki Nice... Deleted by flower.
 
12:07 PM
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Q: Android Gmail Password Verification Activity

ibrahimHow can i check user's gmail password like forget pattern code screen? When too many faulty attempts are made, asking account password. I need trigger this activity from service. Example Edit: The question is misunderstood I dont want to user's password. I want to check it from system activity l...

 
@maven oy, please don't one-box questions in our room. What do you ask from us by posting it here?
waffles
 
Hey @rene
I posted a topic proposal for the meeting
 
@maven It took me a while to format messages and ask for closures correctly here. Have a look at the FAQ and Tour at socvr.org . See also the room description at the top right corner of the chat page.
 
:34925572 isn't it just spam?
 
@rene Yea it was. Didn't notice it.
 
12:18 PM
OK
@Magisch checking ...
 
@PraveenKumar can you pls check the above duplicate and use your hammer if you agree?
 
@Shadow I can't use my hammer now.
@Tushar or someone?
 
@PraveenKumar Why? Are you not in a private place?
 
@rene Coz I already used a CV... LoL.
 
Oh, I thought you didn't want to be mistaken for being the carpenter .....
 
12:25 PM
@rene Yes, that same reason... :D
@Glorfindel ^^^ Didn't detect...
 
@PraveenKumar thanks for reporting. I submitted a blacklist request.
 
Morning
 
NO o/
 
@Glorfindel :D
 
12:40 PM
@Yam Looks like it has the required information
 
> probably I will get downvoted to the nirvana but anyway what is today,
Now that's a nice prologue for a question :D
 
Yeah not a good way to start off a question
@PraveenKumar What's unclear about that?
 
@NathanOliver Totally not sure what the OP wants. Get rid of the if condition or something?
@NinaScholz o/
 
@NathanOliver well... still in an image ....
 
12:43 PM
@PraveenKumar They want the second output to look like the first even though it only fetches one row from the DB.
@rene Yeah but it is not code. Not really sure if that needs to be text
 
This room is now the official javascript gold tag badge holders club, now I propose that the RO's now start hunting PHP golds :p
 
@kayess do they make those?
 
@NathanOliver make??
 
I'd rather clean crocodile-teeth with my nose than touch PHP again
 
@kayess the gold php tag badges. I thought you would go insane and be committed before you reached the point where you would get one.
 
12:46 PM
lol
 
@kayess PHP gold... :D
 
@kayess Went with TB. resource request could also work.
 
@NathanOliver Yep but I wasn't sure
 
@NathanOliver Eh... Is it answerable?
 
Let's wait and see?
 
12:53 PM
@PraveenKumar looks like it is to me. I have no idea what the code would be but it looks like they just need to add a counter and an extra while loop and after they get the data from the data base you need another loop to add more buttons until you reach X - number_of_buttons_from_db
 
@NathanOliver I was totally unsure and unclear what the OP is saying... Could just be me. Okay.
 
1:06 PM
My edit was so good, it now gets upvotes. I'm really helping this site
 
@rene You're loosing your edge :p
Even flowers become softer as they age
 
this makes me sad. We have enough user hitting the triage and suggested edit queues to do 4 million reviews but only 600K close reviews were completed. :(
 
but you need more rep for the CVQ
 
What if we close the CVQ and open a brand new one that does exactly the same under a different name?
 
The Dustbin queue?
 
1:17 PM
@rene True but you need 2k for suggested edits and that had 1.8 million reviews
 
Easier audits might be one reason
 
@NathanOliver hmm, yeah, true
 
@NathanOliver those are in the top bar
 
Maybe it isn't a bad idea at all what Jan suggests
 
@NathanOliver One main point of contention are the sometimes wildly BS audits (If some crap obviously dupe or unclear/mcve question gets a couple upvotes and gets picked as a known good audit)
Another is that 40 CV reviews not only burn you out but leave you with not enough CVs to honestly complete the other queues.
 
1:22 PM
What if CVQ got its own fresh set of CVs?
 
@NathanOliver none of the mods reviewed the H&I Q
:D
 
@BhargavRao I can barely do the H/I queue without feeling like I'm wasting my time, and I get paid 2 bucks an hour
so yeah
unsurprising
 
If I got $2/hr for reviewing HIQ, I might consider doing it...
 
@BhargavRao Does anyone ;)?
@Magisch BS audits are very few and far between. You should never get banned for a BS audit and mods are responsive to lift suspensions when brought to meta.
afk
 
1:45 PM
@FOX9000 well, it's an improvement, he just missed all other grammatical errors/thanks/code formatting
 
@PraveenKumar Just FYI, but XAMPP is off-topic on SF. Should close them as General Computing
 
@Machavity :/
 
back
 
JAL
front
Hi everyone
 
Hiya JAL
 
@Yam Meh
 
JAL
Not every day you get to mess with the innards of the Stack Exchange iOS app meta.stackexchange.com/a/289242/242209
 
flagging as spam
 
JAL
lol
 
@JAL Not very retro :P
 
JAL
2:20 PM
flagged for reverse engineering the stack exchange app
@Machavity ha
 
2:31 PM
morning!
 
ola
 
Hiya gunr
 
'fternoon
 
hey gunr
 
yo all
 
2:32 PM
@rene ola? You thinking about ice cream already in January?
 
sure, why not
 
JAL
2:45 PM
o/
 
\o
 
CVs are exhausted...
Eeeks... What just happened?
 
> (deleted less than 20 seconds after being reported)
well, we are all too slow
 
The new people in charcoal are zealous, I guess
our TTD has been falling this week
 
TTD?
 
2:56 PM
time to deletion
 
Tuna Torture Disorder?
 
TTTT = Time To Tuna Trouble
 
@Yam doesn't change the question that much
 
3:03 PM
@Magisch I've reported a few which I deleted 2s after reporting.
 
Not good enough, we go measure in milliseconds
Let us know when you're at 2 again ...
 
We can already fit into int12, then. Not even uint12 needed.
 
No worries, we still luv u
 
Ahh thats right
Bhar is a mod now
:D
Modgav Rao
 
3:42 PM
Someone close it please.
 
@PraveenKumar If you have a dupe and you do not VTC then you should comment with a link to let others know the target.
 
@NathanOliver Searching "Return asynchronous" will give the first link. Dupehammers will know that. :D
I assumed...
Dupe link is there in the question comment
 
Why leave the burden on the room? Others that visit the Q can see that and act accordingly. Remember that people in the tag should be the first to get a crack at closing a question. It should only be fast tracked here if it an egregious question or suitable time has passed (10-15 minutes IMHO) and no action is happening.
 
@PraveenKumar just play along will you? I'm a bit fed up with you seeking the edge of our rules, stepping over it, and then make apologies. I really have had enough of that part of your interactions here.
 
@rene Rene, already the link was posted in the comments. Check that. That's what I meant.
8 mins ago, by Praveen Kumar
Dupe link is there in the question comment
So when you click on the Duplicate, it will come with [1] in blue...
Don't think I am not helping people.
 
3:54 PM
We both must live in different universes
 
@rene this comment wasn't useful
 
@rene Every magnet or planet will have two poles that are very important to each other and they are totally opposite. :)
 
Are you always that stubborn or is it just me that is over sensitive for it?
 
@rene I am not stubborn. I will make sure, if there's a dupe, I'll give link both in the question and in the request (from the next one).
I just sound this way, but I always do what we all do as a team. :)
Looks can be deceiving...
 
:(
 
3:56 PM
@JanDvorak Yes, you're right. But if I'm about to kick someone what else can I say if my words don't seem to have any impact at all?
 
@rene Who would want to live in a universe with rene around?
3
 
I don't think this deserves a kick...
@PraveenKumar 20k+
 
@JanDvorak I think it does but that is because I take the whole track-record into account
 
@rene I always follow you buddy, no matter what. You can trust me.
 
@JanDvorak but in isolation you're right.
 
3:59 PM
I can't judge the track record, unfortunately.
 
@NathanOliver 15 mins... Okay, will keep it in mind...
 
@PraveenKumar I would love to but you there is not much trust left from me, to be honest. Trust is something to be earned. You need to earn it back. For me it is gone.
 
@PraveenKumar Thanks
 
@rene It'll build over time... Don't worry. Patience is virtue, but I don't think you can do it with me right now, given this situation. I have been worse, at least to you. Or may be, you are really over-sensitive like how I judge the posts. I have a too high quality bar. This is really needed. At the same time we have to be under limits. Let's cool down for a while. Everything will be alright soon.
@NathanOliver :)
 
@PraveenKumar sure, I have that bookmarked so I can re-use that in a couple of days. Thanks.
 
4:04 PM
@rene Eh, bookmarked what? As long as you are happy, I am happy! :)
 
what a confidence.....
 
@ColdFire You!!! Trying to put kerosene in the fire huh?
 
no i was just applauding the confidence of rene
 
@ColdFire That's purely it.
 
@PraveenKumar Rene happy
 
4:06 PM
@JanDvorak :D
 
@PraveenKumar no its not
 
@rene Sometimes I used to think there's a strange coincidence, that we both are wearing the same hat! :D So all is well! Trust me!
 
I'll get my Grumpy Hat out soon ...
 
Hey can I have it
I want the Grumpy Hat :(
 
tuna have you opt out of hats?
 
4:09 PM
Yes
 
then no hats for you
 
JAL
4:31 PM
Wow, any idea what happened here? Extreme voting...
and a post merge
 
See meta, there's a post about it
 
JAL
got it
 
JAL
ah thanks
meta effect
 
4:38 PM
stong meta effect yes
 
Sweet. A WB asker has just devised a solid light generator that consumes a "measly 5 volts per hour"
 
@JanDvorak You had me at solid light though.
 
Yeah, that too... He wants to create ordinary items out of it, and he wonders what effects on society it would have.
 
bye folks
 
later
 
4:47 PM
I see you!
@Kyll see ya!
 
@JanDvorak "Mass physicists die-offs"
 
@JanDvorak I still cannot get over how something consumes 5 volts per hour. How does one consume potential?
 
@NathanOliver One's a manager.
2
 
Knew it'd get ya xD
 
4:51 PM
@NathanOliver After two hours the 110V outlet is a 100V outlet?
like it literally kills the grid slowly
 
@ivarni The worst part is what happens after 48 hours
 
So the impact is we go back to the stone age then, right?
 
Yeah, but we have solid light clubs
 
It becomes a -130v outlet
We already have solid light-bulbs, though
 
If you think they're solid you've obviously never dropped one :)
 
4:54 PM
OK, solid-state light-bulbs
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I think it exists. A relic from 2.5 days
Maybe was deleted since then.
 
Yeah so deleted in Spring 4
which is what they're using
 
Yeah, I guess that would be it.
I suppose it would be nice to mention that in a comment before closing it?
 
Boom.
 
4:58 PM
Ah, even better
 
sneaky waffles
much waffles
waffles
 
:D
 
Close that backtick after @Service maybe
 
@ivarni Yes, thanks.
 
5:08 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Ah you made it in time for the grace period, I was beginning to think I should have pinged you :)
 
C++ lets you divide strings by strings? What does it do? — Jan Dvorak 19 secs ago
 
I suppose it could return the number of times one string appears in another
 
@JanDvorak those aren't strings
Most likely the operation is remove the rhs from the lhs. Typical abuse of operator overloading. I'm a little surprised boost did that.
 
What are those if not strings?
 
its string like but it is a boost::filesystem::path
As its own type it can have its own overloaded operators that do whatever the documentation describes.
 
5:17 PM
So, you divide a string by a file path, which is somewhat similar to a string but can be divided by?
 
No they are dividing a path by another path.
 
Still not sure what it does, though
 
> The append operations use operator/= to denote their semantic effect of appending preferred-separator when needed.
That... wasn't what I thought it would be
 
Same here
 
their what-now?
 
5:20 PM
Hey I can answer a C++ question and get dat hammer
 
So the left argument is a string with some settings attached, and the right argument is a setting to be attached?
 
The / in /= is to be understood as the path separator, not a divide operation
 
That ... works, I guess.
 
I'm reading the docs and to me it looks like they try to explain that they're adding segments to a path and including the separator if needed
Only I wish they wrote it in English
 
5:23 PM
.. oh. It sets the / of the left argument. x /= y is nothing like x = x / y in that case.
 
@JanDvorak yes
 
yuck
 
And that is why it is evil
operator overloading should not do something that the operator does not do with built in type IMHO
 
In Ruby, foo /= bar is a syntax construct equivalent to foo = foo / bar, and foo./ = bar is a syntax error even though foo./(bar) isn't.
... and foo.bar = baz calls the method bar= of foo with the argument baz.
 
Yeah. In C++ x /= y should be the same as x = x / y but since we can overload operators you could actually have it do x = x - y
(as long as it is a custom type)
 
5:31 PM
Operator overloading is fine. Ruby can do that as well. It's just that /= is syntax sugar, not an operator.
 
Ah. In C++ /= is actually its own operator.
 
In Ruby, ary[0] /= 2 desugars to ary.[]=(0, ary.[](0) / 2)
 
In C++ x /= y; is x.operator /=(y);
 
More work for the implementors
Haskell requires even less work. If you implement + and negate, it already knows how to subtract.
Or, you can tell it how to subtract, and it will negate by subtracting from zero.
 
Kinda. Normally the operators are implemented in terms of each other. So in this case we would implement /= and then implement / in terms of it as detailed here. Still a burden but at least it is manageable.
 
5:39 PM
Sanity check: taking into account this comment moderators handle more NAA than community does, right?
 
Alternatively, I could implement /= in terms of /, right?
 
@NathanOliver dafuq?
 
@Braiam what? the /= is its own operator and is not just syntactic sugar for x = x / y.
 
@Braiam I guess it allows some performance improvements by exposing both
 
@JanDvorak You could but I think the code gets a little more complicated.
@Braiam Yes it looks like mods handled twice the number of flags as community/the comunity
 
5:47 PM
@NathanOliver see mine a Martijn discussion on the Q comments... Shog can make crappy graphs, who knew?
I kind of expected it to be only 2016
 
@Braiam aren't all Shog's graphs crappy? *hides* :-P
 
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