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9:00 PM
@Tunaki It's not a typo
It's a misunderstanding of how types and method returns work
A typo is "I forgot a semicolon" or "I tried to return Strung"
 
it is unlikely to help future visitors.
 
@Tunaki I disagree.
"You can't return more than one type" is an excellent answer to that question.
Find it a duplicate, if you can. But it is not a typo.
It lacks research, sure. It lacks effort, sure. That's what the downvotes are for.
But it's still a valid, answerable question.
 
@MadaraUchiha I will search for one those dupes then
 
@Tunaki Preferably one that deals with multiple return types.
@QPaysTaxes That's a bit of a stretch, to be fair.
I agree, these aren't great questions. But as long as we don't have a RTFM close reason, we don't have a valid close reason for them.
The solution I found is canonicals.
@QPaysTaxes Here's one we've done in PHP: stackoverflow.com/questions/18050071/…
@QPaysTaxes What you see as a "sensible error" might not be much for a beginner.
The error he cited said "Missing ;"
@QPaysTaxes That's a mistake most people make.
People write bad code.
 
I guess this one is our new canonical for this... I won't find any dupe for this.
 
9:11 PM
Beginners write really bad code
@Tunaki Great. So it might be worth to invest in a proper answer as well.
 
there's just too much question to go through
 
@QPaysTaxes I don't get this sort of vibe from him.
I get the "I literally started yesterday and tried copy/pasting a couple of things to make my computer do things"
Which is how beginners learn.
Beginners don't begin with tutorials
They begin with tweaking "Hello world" samples
My point being
I know it's hard, with the amount of crap we see every day
But do try to err on the side of caution.
I prefer to let the odd crap question slip by if it means that a potential good user gets better, and might return with a better question later.
Worst case, questions can be retroactively nuked. And Roomba is also in play.
No need to be too overzealous, to the point where people find us hostile.
(And yes, I'm not delusional, I am very much aware that there are plenty of people out there who are just too lazy and hope people would debug/write code for them)
 
@QPaysTaxes uh, the edit button exists for making crap questions non-crap
 
@QPaysTaxes Call it a long-term investment.
@QPaysTaxes I prefer to user to delete them themselves once they get to a sufficient level to realize how bad the question was
When they have a better standing
@QPaysTaxes Then Roomba cleans it up
Whatever
Would you have been here if the first 2 questions you asked were downvoted and closed, resulting in a question ban?
Wrongly or rightly, doesn't matter
Because 2 bad question is enough for a question ban these days
Yes
I've seen such cases.
@QPaysTaxes That's my point
If we would have banned you all the way back when you were starting out
You wouldn't have been here now, contributing to the cleaning efforts
And right now, you're in a positive standing, most of the "trash" is neatly removed
And you're here helping out
I want more people to feel welcome here, even if we need to be more understanding to noob questions
@QPaysTaxes Only 2
@QPaysTaxes Questions, yes.
 
9:31 PM
We're not comparing the same thing here really
The second question is actually nice
a dupe ok but a good dupe
that compiler error question up there... it 1 year, 0 more people will have seen it
 
@MadaraUchiha I agree with Tunaki. There's no saving this question. It serves absolutely no purpose and won't ever be helpful to anyone else. They wrote this code by accident, intending to return an int[]. Nothing in their question indicates why they attempted to use two return types.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis what link are we at?
 
My interpretation of the typo close vote reason is something done unintentionally. Pair that with the fact that the compilation message is entirely unhelpful, you get a question that will never be searchable.
@drew I'm talking about this.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis If that's the case then I was wrong.
Let me reread the question.
 
I get we don't want to be too intense with users that are inexperienced but the comments should already point them in the right direction. But we don't need to keep this question around.
 
9:36 PM
No, you're right. I apologize, I misread the question.
It's indeed a typo.
I read it for some reason as "sometimes I want to return a string, and sometimes an array"
 
oh
 
Sorry about that
 
No stress, you said things that made sense in your interpretation of the question.
 
Worth noting that the answer doesn't fix all the issues also...
@Sotirios I'm looking for a dupe for that one stackoverflow.com/questions/38557081/…. What I found for now is stackoverflow.com/questions/4872579/… which is very close but not exact
 
yeah me too
 
good stuff
 
went with the canonical
 
10:04 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ out of votes? or isn't a dupe?
 
@Tunaki Out of votes today actually. It's a dupe.
I wasn't sure how to interact with queenie in that case.
 
Technically, k was only intended be used when you closed as dupe. Hmm... maybe that works also since the point is mainly for stats.
 
@Tunaki If I were in full ornats, it would be gone single handedly
Just wanted to react, seeing that q actually works for me.
@Tunaki Looks way too broad actually, though.
 
May fit also. Was looking at "Is there online or onsite training"
 
@Tunaki Deserves closing ASAP
 
10:11 PM
yes
 
Gotta go having a nap ...
N8
 
night
 
10:25 PM
We still have 2 pages of cv-pls requests. If people could go through them, it'd be nice. If the close reason does not apply, ping a RO and we'll see about burying it.
 
@Tunaki how was again that?
I tend to vote only on the ones I see on my screen
 
@Braiam The Script.
 
@Tunaki I have the script but I don't know how to use it :(
 
It adds a "Requests" button to the actions - at the right of "Upload"
Click it and enjoy.
Do you have the button @Braiam?
 
@Tunaki In chat or the main site or in /review?
btw, I found it by reading the @match entry instead
ok, found it
 
10:36 PM
in chat, this window, at the right of where you typed this message :)
 
btw, clean the transcript, closed at least 4
 
@Braiam there's a bit of caching so it may take a while before the screen is updated (6 to 8 units of time)
 
I feel that Documentation is a Bellerophon finding its Chimera
 
bah it will be roombad
 
@Tunaki Roomba cannot kill myths unfortunately :(
 
10:50 PM
that was a quick nap :)
 
@Tunaki Yeah, I didn't even manage to get it. I gotta need serious cure about hese addictions :P ...
 
@Braiam Even worse, since I got noone calling me getting into bed with them :( ...
 
next time you got to blue it
 
C++ folks, this is in the delete queue but has 4 reopen votes stackoverflow.com/questions/38451088/… what do you think?
 
11:00 PM
@Tunaki How does removing "Thank you" improve that crap?
 
there was some code added since the closure
 
@πάνταῥεῖ the op drastically improved it after having it closed though
 
@Braiam I gotta find someone calling me to bed :-P ...
 
@dorukayhan improvement can be relative
 
@dorukayhan I don't see that from the edit history, maybe I'm blind.
 
@Tunaki Ah you meant they were adding a non [MCVE] at that point. Futile as is ...
 
looks like about 45% of questions are from rep below 15
 
@Drew fascinating
 
@Drew Sure, the real tough guys don't ask, but just give "answers".
 
@Drew is it really surprising though
interesting number still
 
11:09 PM
no, I was just getting back to the concept I believe @TheLostMind was on earlier
and I just scanned the last 5000 Java
 
aah java... that's the issue...
 
and I assumed java would have higher rep than mysql, but they were about the same
 
@Drew Would be interesting what's the result canning in :-) ...
 
Didn't Shog put up some numbers for that also?
Ah that was it meta.stackoverflow.com/a/324244/1743880: 108,664 questions posted by <10 rep users in total of 276,792
So ~40%.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ i will let you know in a few minutes
 
11:16 PM
@Tunaki They're still invading heavily and unconsciously all the time.
@Drew Don't really need stats about this, I'm pretty sure what the outcome will be.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ hey, this guy asks a question
 
@Braiam Not my field of expertise. Doesn't look like c++ code, but something else.
Answering Jon's questions is a tough job actually ...
 
Well, the man said it himself "it's hard to fix."
btw, is .net
with nuget magic
the magic here is the problem, the code should work
 
@Braiam Sure, what do you expect if god asks you to fix something :-P ...
 
Hello!
 
11:22 PM
@Braiam There's no magic in programming. That's a well known myth.
@NobodyNada Hi
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You just broke my dreams :(
 
> When using MSBUILD based projects, there is a task that runs which basically automatically adds all of the System.* references to the C# compiler to avoid this mess
^ this reads as magic
 
@QPaysTaxes Pretty much. It always boils down to unmentioned details.
 
sees as QPaysTaxes jokes flies over πάνταῥεῖ head
 
@Braiam May be I'm just too tired to get it right now.
 
11:27 PM
I didn't get it either
(but I am really tired too)
 
@Tunaki You did believe we're wizards actually? Sorry for that ...
 
Does this feel a bit spammy to anyone else?
 
I don't think so
 
@RyanBemrose Maybe not spammy, but just a silly question.
 
Well, if not spam, it's certainly off topic.
The site is a full-blown e-commerce site, but then again it says that in the question.
 
11:31 PM
Right
 
@RyanBemrose Having links in it doesn't qualify for spam automatically. But the Q is OT of course.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ :)
 
PHP Last 5000 questions 45% of ownerRep is <15
 
The mission: search for a tag where <40% of the users have rep below 15...
and demonstrate that they are sane individuals too
 
But we still can do our rituals, putting on these weird hats and mumble our secret spells. Much stuff taken over from Terry Pratchett's ingenious books.
Let me speak DEATH :) ...
 
11:35 PM
We had it. , and you gents killed it
 
those guys were just cutting corners
2
 
@Tunaki Courses taught at the unseen university included.
 
@TylerH I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@QPaysTaxes Did I ever say so?
 
11:43 PM
Are you Q?
OMG I just met Q. So glad to meet you.
 
@QPaysTaxes Bahh, leave me alone with this idiot. These are the worst episodes in the whole series.
@QPaysTaxes I don't even like the player very much. He's just flat and forseeable.
 
I don't know what we are talking anymore
 
I'm out of cv still though
 
I think Q. And player. And corners. Makes sense right?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ wait 10 minutes and 30 seconds
 
11:49 PM
@Braiam Star Trek, Okey?
 
@Tunaki probably
@πάνταῥεῖ would it surprise you I still don't get the reference
 
@Braiam Tunaki is Q?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ maybe
 
@Braiam No, tunaki is much more symphatic to me, than this idiot.
@NobodyNada Yeah, yeah. I should had gone to bed hours ago already
@QPaysTaxes Well, I like rincewind :) ...
Much better character ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ ugh, it's 2 in the morning where you are?
 
11:54 PM
@QPaysTaxes Yeah, I still need new trousers all the time ...
@NobodyNada On my couch ...
 
Is there an easy way to view still-open cv-pls requests?
 
I recently failed an audit here. If you can't see it, this is a screenshot. I felt it was a valid answer to the post, and I do feel like it should have been OK. What do you guys feel? Is there any recourse to this?
 
@FrankerZ Abara Cadabara!
 
@FrankerZ that reeks to spam
 
@FrankerZ Strictly speaking, it is not NAA. But it is very poor and even possibly spam so I can see why it was deleted.
 
11:58 PM
The link leads to a page rank checker, which is perfectly valid for that question
 
@FrankerZ Just joking from the context, sorry :)
 
I even looked to see if that website linked to that user. I feel so defeated, like I'm being punished for actively trying to make the site better
 
@FrankerZ You can fail an audit now and then, it happens to everyone. Don't get hung up over it.
 
Do you guys feel like it was a bad audit?
 
Some are really sketchy.
 

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