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8:00 PM
Start event
 
@Sam I'll boot up closey on my end for a few hours
 
Hello everyone! (nagato v2 docker)
rene has started reviewing!
 
wow, that booted a lot faster
 
huh
@queen deleted by OP
@Clo alive
 
@Tunaki I feel fine.
 
8:07 PM
Yeah, sure...
 
@gunr2171 I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
sorry
 
@QPaysTaxes Yeah. Double edged sword tho. What do you do when the reviewers were wrong but you were right?
 
@Closey current tag
 
@gunr2171 The current tag is friendship with 1337 known review items.
 
Sam
8:16 PM
@gunr2171 You sure?
 
@QPaysTaxes I've failed audits where the reviewers get it wrong and the system threw it up as an audit
 
@Sam fine for now, but I'll stop it when I'm done
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Ok
 
also, there is a bug in the latest code I wrote
NRE
c#
yes, null reference exception
 
Not to be confused with #c
 
8:18 PM
I've used that so much since it was introduced
that and $"" are the best things ever
 
@gunr2171 $""?
 
@rene You've reviewed 40 posts today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 9 minutes and 16 seconds, averaging to a review every 13 seconds.
 
string interpolation, like this:
var one = "Hello";
var two = "World";

//method 1
var b = one + " " + two;

//method 2
var c = $"{one} {two}";
method 2 is the new stuff
 
Oh yeah, like String templates in JS. Yeah, it's amazing
 
yep, also like bash
 
8:22 PM
Method 2 is also not compile-type checked
 
@QPaysTaxes yes
 
right?
 
@Tunaki yes it is. Every object has a ToString() method, and that is what is called.
 
@gunr2171 why I feel like I'm using a shell script?
 
because he is?
 
8:23 PM
@gunr2171 I mean, if you write var c = $"{plop} {spearrel}"; does it raise a compile error?
 
if the variables don't exist, yes
 
nice
 
@Tunaki Syntax error in a browser
 
What a joke: stackoverflow.com/q/38131956/3933332 exact same question got asked just 2 hours ago: stackoverflow.com/q/38130041/3933332 6 votes and nobody even voted on any of the posts in the duplicate... It is just freaking ridiculous.
 
Feels like people are asking questions about one language and answering them in another one right now
 
8:28 PM
meh, delete votes should short it out
 
8:51 PM
If I don't or can't enjoy Stack Overflow all the time, some might argue that the site isn't for me or it is not like I want it to be. And I think I'm not alone with this (especially when you do moderation you can get frustrated fast), so I wonder what would happened if all or a great portion would just stop with what they are doing...
Would the site even run? Would it still run and just get a complete vampire camp?
 
@Rizier123 it would become Yahoo Answers
 
@Rizier123 Relevant
 
@rene Possible :P I wonder if SO/SE would then just leave it or would change more stuff?
 
it could be fun if we all move to Slack and watch and comment on its decay from there
 
@Rizier123 It will still run. Probably for a long time.
 
8:54 PM
@Closey stop bot
 
@gunr2171 I'm shutting down...
Goodbye! (nagato v2 docker)
 
Not that it'll be good, mind you
 
@Rizier123 due to its size it would take a long time before they really have to take measures
And on the other hand, communities are not static, they move in a direction, evolve. We're the ones that are stationary
 
I'm not a piece of paper
 
@rene It might or probably will run, but it would get a vampire and rep wh* camp. So do you think SE would just leave it or would do more drastic and bigger changes? Because right now to get any little change is almost impossible I feel like (see all meta discussions about FR).
 
8:56 PM
@rene Are we?
 
I'm out for today, cya
 
o/
 
Doesn't feel like SOCVR is any kind of static
o/ gunr
 
@Kyll we as the larger SO user base
 
Right
 
user3956566
9:00 PM
@Rizier123 I get like that sometimes and I realise I'm taking it too seriously and I am tired. Sometimes it's good to take a step back and breather to get the fun back.
 
@Kyll the question is if SOCVR is moving along in any new insight on moderation demands or if we keep doing what we did 2 or 3 years ago
 
@Kyll Well we are trying to hold some standards on the site, while others are writing one post worse post and continue with a even a more worse one.
 
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@rene I think as the room gets bigger, we need to stay focused on on topic chat in here
 
@rene Do we really have a choice?
 
@rene One's for sure, we still use the same tools to moderate as we did 2 years ago when the site was way smaller.
 
user3956566
9:02 PM
As it stands the close vote queue cannot be beaten. And SE is right, more close votes is not the answer, it gets tiring, less votes to close a question perhaps or weighted voting per rep or badges
 
@Rizier123 their problem is: what they currently have does work, despite the complaints of the current crowd. If they change it to make it worse, they will run into problems. It is a company after all.
 
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It doesn't work
 
It does work: there are more views and more content
 
@Kyll No, we can only keep asking ourselves if we do the right things, today.
 
user3956566
the queue is overwhelming, I know it has reduced from past years, but it's not being able to get it down makes people feel dejected
 
9:04 PM
I can imagine that some people would say the site isn't for you if you have to take a step back to get a breath and fun again, so I wonder if SO/SE wants to have some quality standard as we are trying to do here, or that if we have to take a step back for a breath, that SO/SE don't care if the site is a vampire camp?
And we are just the "fools" here trying to hold some imaginary standard which SO does not even care about.
 
user3956566
@Rizier123 I totally understand your thinking
 
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@QPaysTaxes that's not entirely true
 
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they are reluctant to make changes without thorough consideration
 
user3956566
they do give things a lot of thought and discussion
 
@rene I ask myself this very question every single day
 
user3956566
9:06 PM
@Rizier123 it can be hard to find a decent question to answer
 
user3956566
I will scroll through the newest feed and find more questions that are close worthy than not
 
@Rizier123 I think they care because they now they need the posts and the quality to be different. Hence making it all work for the size the operation now is, is probably something that needs more then just tweaking parameters or a reshuffle of the /ask page
 
@rene Exactly it's a company. So SO already doesn't have the same ranking on google as it had in the past. So if many stop moderating with the current tools, the quality would probably drop even more and I wonder if then the SO as company would change more stuff?
 
@Kyll that is good, let me know if you answer that we do the wrong things
@Rizier123 maybe, we can try it for a week?
 
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@QPaysTaxes Don't be misguided, it is now a company and the powers that be are the ultimate decision makers, less so the community, there is a veneer that the community has choice, but we have less and less choice. They are juggling it with not wanting to lose contributors and active members with quantity of views for the advertising @rene @Rizier123
 
9:08 PM
Call a mod strike next week?
8
 
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Yes
 
I would actually go with it.
But that wouldn't reveal anything.
 
@Yvette it is in the end about ad revenue
 
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I would like to have a guilt free week off
 
user3956566
@rene huge mistake floating it as a company
 
9:10 PM
At the end of the day, you can objectively measure how things are going because people are out there moderating
 
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@QPaysTaxes no I don't misunderstand I disagree. The bottom line is $$
 
@Yvette the servers don't run on rain-water, like flowers
 
If no-one does it, there is nothing to measure.
 
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@rene true
 
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@QPaysTaxes yep the necessary evil $
 
9:11 PM
@rene Yes. SO has a huge size and there are good things, but also many bad things. And the bad things won't get fixed with just some tweaks as you said. But it also isn't fixed easy with the size and complexity of SO. So we see hundreds of FR and discussions on meta with hundreds of votes, but we almost never get the stuff implemented. So I'm really curious if a strike would change something, even though I really doubt it :)
 
@rene nah, just make sure that coincidentally all mods has issues, at the same time
 
@rene Happens sometimes for fairly isolated events, they mostly get fixed. I think the openness we have toward each other and our common experience will allow us to become much stronger in the future. I don't think we can ever go down the wrong path, not with all the eyes on us, internals and externals.
 
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I wonder if Hans Passant has the right idea about the site and some of the goings on
 
@Yvette Ask him :P
 
If you strike, the intended side-effect is to 1. annoy people 2. tell the people that can do something about it to feel bad and fix it. In this case, 1. is dead born, 1 week without SOCVR has to be the paradise for a lot of people. 2. will result in nothing
They will want us to strike more...
 
9:16 PM
until they have the water up to their necks and another Y! answers is born
 
@Rizier123 writing an FR is not hard, writing a good one, not so much
Keep in mind that SOCVR started out to counter this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/208220/…
 
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@rene yeh and the problem is it's destabilising to implement changes that are not effective
 
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I wish they prioritised quality over quantity
 
@Tunaki I don't know if my cryptic text is understandable :D, but exactly here is the question which I ask myself: If we strike to get something, some might say the site isn't for us. So does SO even wants some quality standards for posts? Or do they not care, because questions and vampiring would still be here.
 
that motivated this other thing meta.stackexchange.com/q/208682/213575
 
user3956566
9:20 PM
When Pets.SE was in start up I would go crazy on the links being used, as it was just swapping misinformation from one part of the web to another and although my protests helped a bit, really the site is no better than a fb group. I think SE should've stuck to programming sites
 
One of the issues is that there is public stuff and company stuff. We can only make judgement calls about that part. If an FR goes against anything internal guideline, we're stuck.
 
@Yvette wow... that happens when you are unable to attract real experts
 
@Rizier123 I'm French remember... They strike all the time... So the some might say the site isn't for us, I don't agree :)
 
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@Braiam yep I was the top user by a country mile and really did help set the site up for beta and I quit
 
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I studied a year of veterinary science and would argue with some of the information being put there
 
9:22 PM
@rene Totally agree with those two parts from the first answer: "If you want people to tackle a task, give them the tools they need to do so." and "I'm not going to create a new idea because there are at least four dozen out there."
 
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and that was just one year. I explained they'd have trouble getting a vet to participate as they would work on their own blogs etc
 
ok, now you are scaring me... is this factually correct? pets.stackexchange.com/a/2167/712
sounds ok going by what I know about cellular biochemistry
 
Going on strike ... get the management to respond. That just sounds like we should go on a strike again :P
 
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@Braiam this was my account user87
 
user3956566
 
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9:25 PM
@Braiam the first link is dead
 
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and it's not something that I would be overly worrying about, in fact overdosing them is worse. I don't like the answer
 
user3956566
> Salt controls the hydration level of the horse
 
user3956566
is a nonsense type of stand alone statement, homeostasis is more complex than that
 
user3956566
I also studied medical science years ago
 
Sam
@Braiam Pfft, everyone knows hydration is actually controlled by waffles.
3
 
9:28 PM
Off topic but: some chem textbook I found says matter is anything that takes up space and has mass but then its definition of mass is the quantity of matter in a substance wtf
That makes no sense
 
@AndrewL. Your book is broken, or it is for newly phys/chem students
 
Some random textbook
 
user3956566
@AndrewL. cyclic argument/definition
 
@AndrewL. actually the perception of mass is just the inertia of massless subatomic particles
 
Exactly.. They mutually depend on another
Apparently
 
JAL
9:30 PM
Wait, you can self-delete a post with a positive score?
 
@Tunaki But we never get a response that we do the right thing. We always get more and more crap back when you just moderated one post.
 
but I'm not a quantum expert
@JAL why shouldn't you?
 
Time to go to english language and usage!!1!
 
JAL
@Braiam I thought it was one of those things "this post is valuable, you can't delete it"
unless that's only for accepted answers
 
I deleted an answer with a score of 1. I deleted a question with a score of 2
 
user3956566
9:30 PM
@JAL yes there's that badge for deleing a Q with 3 upvotes
 
Disciplined
 
user3956566
it's if it has answers @JAL
 
user3956566
you get the message box
 
JAL
oh you can't delete the question, but positive scoring answers can be self-deleted
 
@JAL you can always delete the post, except when is an accepted answer or if the question has at least 1 answer with positive score
 
9:31 PM
@Rizier123 And strikers in France strike every year. Like on a clock.
 
@Tunaki a book I found in the library, chemistry raymond chang 10th edition so general chem
 
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@JAL you can delete it, but if it has an answer there will be a warning
 
OK, I'm off, need sleep
 
Bye!
 
user3956566
9:33 PM
@rene sleep well
 
Wait. Mass is a quantity. Matter is an object
 
mass is the real universal constant
 
Again this makes no sense
 
actually energy is the real universal constant
 
in a closed system
 
9:33 PM
Yep
 
user3956566
matter has mass
 
@AndrewL. that's what you get for looking for a definition of mass in a chemistry book
 
Matter does not conserve.
 
(sorry TIPS)
 
I know what mass and matter are. I passed middle school science
 
user3956566
9:34 PM
@AndrasDeak exactly, go to physics for that
 
@Tunaki it most certainly does not
 
Sorry woops
 
user3956566
@Tunaki in chemistry it does
 
argue in MSO that migrating content that is no longer welcomed in the site, get downvotes...
 
2*m_proton + 2*m_neutron +2*m_electron > m_He
 
user3956566
9:34 PM
for the purpose of chemical equations
 
user3956566
not physics though
 
So mass is a quantity. Matter contains mass
 
@AndrewL. nope
matter has mass
 
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@Braiam have you noticed how upset other sites get when we suggest migrating stuff?
 
Wht I meant*
 
user3956566
9:35 PM
@AndrewL. no
 
mass is a physical property, you can't contain mass any more than containing blue
 
yep
 
@Yvette I'm not actually talking about migration in the sense of SE, but to move something from a place to other
 
user3956566
mass is a measurement, like momentum, velocity it's a property
 
user3956566
matter has mass
 
9:36 PM
yeah
 
@Yvette well not exactly
:P
 
user3956566
@AndrasDeak yes exactly :)
 
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mass is something an object has, it doesn't exist on it's own
 
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matter exists
 
velocity and momentum depend on frame of reference even at usual energy scales
 
9:37 PM
@Yvette There are particles without mass.
 
@Tunaki they just have zero mass
 
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@Tunaki I never said all objects had mass
 
The book says mass is the quantity of matter in a substance and matter is something that takes up space and has mass
 
@AndrewL. I thought we were past that thing
 
Am I in Chem chat? :)
 
9:38 PM
chemistry doesn't concern itself with the fundamental nature of reality
 
user3956566
@Rizier123 well we're on strike soon? :)
 
@AndrewL. Throw them a photon and they will see how much mass fits in.
 
lmao
 
user3956566
stop assaulting chemistry with physics
 
@Yvette If we really want to do it, we need to get more people involved.
 
9:40 PM
@Rizier123 More crazy chemists? God no!
 
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@Rizier123 we need to work out what it is we are unhappy with.
 
there's no shame in working at superatomic energy scales
 
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@AndrasDeak there is when your code is not finished :)
 
ahh
 
I'm afraid I just made up "superatomic energy scale"
but it should be a thing...
 
9:41 PM
@Yvette In short words: balancing and new (improved) tools
 
I'm unhappy with coffee service in SOCVR.
 
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@Rizier123 but we need to define these
 
I will strike and will only drink tea from now on.
 
user3956566
what is balancing and what new tools are required
 
user3956566
I will strike cos I'm tired lol
 
9:42 PM
Why are we going on strike
 
If I list everything here it would get closed as TB :P
 
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@AndrewL. that's what I'm trying to ascertain
 
user3956566
@Rizier123 we need a list, create a gist and we can edit it
 
user3956566
I'm voting to close this strike as off topic - unclear :)
 
> the humans preferred fighting two unnamed ruler races, instead of a single Demonic Dragon
 
user3956566
@Floern a duplicate
 
Welp, I can't view anything because I'm only at 1.2k but someday
 
user3956566
@Floern i think the user deleted that account by the looks of it
 
@Yvette looks like it
 
user3956566
9:46 PM
@AndrewL. it will happen you have to dedicate yourself to sifting through questions and taking the time to write up an answer and be prepared for the OP to complain and ask for more information
 
the "deleted by" still contains the user name.. a bug?
 
I lose motivation every time I write an answer and one with less explanation is upvoted
And accepted
 
@Floern nice catch
Maybe yeah
 
I usually just sit on the SE app flagging questions rather than answering others
 
@Floern is your new hobby finding obscure bugs on SO?:)
 
user3956566
9:50 PM
@Floern I was wondering about that
 
@AndrasDeak haha, yeah
 
user3956566
@AndrewL. yeh there seems to be a trick to the voting patterns of this site and I haven't quite worked it out
 
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I will give you some hope though Andrew
 
@AndrewL. FWIW most of new question is blatant crap
so you're probably doing it right:(
 
Seems like brief and code given to the asker answers get the best attention. Quite sad
Yeah.
 
user3956566
9:52 PM
@AndrewL. [I wrote this(stackoverflow.com/questions/2337110/jython-image-manipulation/…) 3 years ago and it maybe had one or two upvotes at the time
 
that's why I Downvote All The Things (well only the bad ones, and the ones that feed help vampires)
 
user3956566
if you look at my top voted answer most of them are quite old
 
user3956566
all but one are 3 years old. So slowly over the years they do collect votes
 
user3956566
ok I need to work with sub atomic particle energy to fix my code
 

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