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JAL
5:02 PM
@Braiam Well I guess an "instant" self answer is a self-answer posted when the question was asked, and a regular self answer is just a self answer posted any time after the question was asked.
Although I'm not sure how the system differentiates, if there even is a difference at all
 
@JAL in my brain they are the same...
 
JAL
@Braiam same
 
and the system thinks like that too
 
@Braiam In some people's brain, an instant self-answer === "cheating", somehow. (See, you already knew the answer and did not give a chance to others to answer and gain rep.)
 
@Louis ugh...
 
5:06 PM
@Braiam Ugh, indeed.
 
hi all
 
Hello
 
JAL
@Braiam I've been lucky with people commenting on the downvotes on my self-answered posts:
 
Hello
 
JAL
@downvoters: It is valid to provide an answer with the question — that's why it is even supported by the UI. — vikingosegundo Jun 13 at 20:53
It's not only valid but also encouragedBlackBox Jun 13 at 21:25
so some users catch on
 
5:11 PM
There are people who think that self-answer is a valid DV reason?
 
Really?
 
@RyanBemrose Yes. Some people think you should not answer your own question.
 
@RyanBemrose Some people seem to think so. However, note that self-answered questions are questions and thus good targets for revenge downvotes. And I've seen people bring up the "self-answers are valid" on questions that were just plain bad.
I would even go as far as saying that some people seem to think that if a self-answer was provided it is in and of itself proof that the question was useful.
 
True
Are pros/cons questions POBs?
 
@AndrewL. normally
 
5:16 PM
Ok. Flagged it
 
I guess I just can't relate to the mentality of DVing because of who posted. I always try to consider only the content of the post.
 
It does depend on the Q though. They can have valid technical answers.
 
@NathanOliver @Tunaki Why doesn't my bee bring me the honey of or ?
 
@PraveenKumar Are you registered?
 
@QPaysTaxes I have gold in all! >o(
@NathanOliver Oh? No!
 
5:21 PM
@PraveenKumar Not sure
 
@QPaysTaxes Dang! :(
 
@QPaysTaxes uh, sounds like a legitimate question
 
@gunr2171 How do I revert my !!/report
 
@QPaysTaxes yeah, so?
 
The link really seems to be spammy!
 
5:21 PM
hmm
 
the questions asks how to get the info out of that table, and that's what the link is about
 
@QPaysTaxes Grrrrrrr....
 
@PraveenKumar would you like to be registered to Queen?
 
oblig search first, report later
 
@Tunaki Would be nice if it was the Queen of England... :)
How do I do it?
 
5:24 PM
@PraveenKumar which tags? [html], [javascript] [jquery] [css] and [php]?
 
@QPaysTaxes So you would rather have a fast report then a correct report?
 
@Tunaki Yea, please... :)
 
@QPaysTaxes Spam comes with a pretty stiff penalty. You should be 100% sure before using it.
 
@queen list tags
 
5:25 PM
@Tunaki In this room these tags are available:
 
@PraveenKumar Let's try with PHP first. It's the major tag not in the list, just to see how many notif it gives. I'll add [jquery] after it isn't too much.
@queen add [php]
 
@Tunaki Sure! :)
 
@Tunaki Tag has been added to room and duplicate notifications for hammer in tag are available
 
Sure you can but you need to do your due diligence. I would rather have some spam get through then nuking stuff as spam when it is not.
 
@PraveenKumar Alright, you can do now "queen opt-in [php]"
 
5:28 PM
queen opt-in [php]
 
and opt-in [javascript] if you want also
with the @
 
LoL.
@queen opt-in [javascript]
 
@PraveenKumar Thanks, you have opted-in to be notified if a duplicate is found in tag and you are present in room
 
@PraveenKumar no edits :(
 
@queen opt-in [javascript]
 
5:29 PM
@PraveenKumar Thanks, you have opted-in to be notified if a duplicate is found in tag and you are present in room
 
woot
 
@QPaysTaxes that's a terrible way of thinking, and I don't want that method spreading in this room. A spam flag means "nuke from orbit". If you haven't done your research first, you are risking harming innosite posts and yourself with a flag ban. Couple that with spreading false information here which will get other people and the room as a whole in trouble, and I need to step in.
Don't stop flagging, start thinking.
 
@gunr2171 s/innosite/innocent
 
so? you are not needed to flag spam
 
gets popcorn
 
5:31 PM
Get me some?
 
:)
 
If your internet connection is bad enough where you do not have enough time to research if something is spam then you just need to hold off. We do not want mob voting. If you cannot reaserch and come up with your own conclusion then you can just skip it like you do with item in the review queue. If it really is spam it will get taken care of.
OK :)
 
Everyone is happy now!
 
Yay!
 
5:34 PM
@QPaysTaxes Your not useless. You can still help do many other moderation activities.
 
@QPaysTaxes Why?
 
You still have taxes to pay @QPaysTaxes you can't leave
 
Yep. Spam is just a side job in here.
 
being quiet
 
<insert all caps message here>
 
5:35 PM
whispering
 
I'm WHISPERING.
 
it's right behind me, isn't it?
 
@gunr2171 How fun would it be if a mod came in and edited it?
 
But you JUST TALKED when I said BE QUIET
 
@NathanOliver 6/10 might do again
 
5:36 PM
@NathanOliver You're tempting the ninja's, I'm sure :)
 
@QPaysTaxes That's... not good.
 
@AndrewL. you know about the tag?
 
@Tunaki shhh. It is not subliminal if they know about it.
 
@AndrewL. ok, just checking. I'll do a formal one for you
 
Thanks
 
5:38 PM
@QPaysTaxes I have a heart?! Whaaaaaa?!!
 
<formal gunr message incoming>
 
I already did....
also I can't think of pun
 
Alright, I'll hide in the corner, don't mind me.
 
They got rid of it
It is kinda dickish
 
Has a URL at the bottom.
 
5:42 PM
@NathanOliver You sure?
 
isn't plagiarzed from SO
the link does answer the Q and that the code
 
@TIPS IMHO not bad enough to be spam
 
so it's his blog
maybe a comment?
 
...editing out...
 
I'll comment
 
5:44 PM
The URL adds nothing, should it be removed?
 
@NathanOliver Perhaps, but the blacklist might be giving a hint.
Borderline
 
@TIPS I think he was blacklisted incorrectly.
The deleted answer was more NAA then spam
 
Anyway, your view is moddy, and ours is usery.
 
@TIPS I would flagged that as NAA
 
Yeah me too
Well, I'd have flagged as VLQ, obviously
 
5:46 PM
Yeah me three
 
@TIPS You thinnk that is spam?
 
... Does that user go around making blogs for his answers, then posting a link to the blog?
 
@NathanOliver Borderline
 
@JacobGray Users that don't know SO can do this yes.
It kinda makes sense if you think about it.
 
@JacobGray Seems as legit as beings of a height of no more than two meters plundering other planets.
 
5:53 PM
^the answer to that question is the name of the site it was posted to ;)
 
@cybermonkey Methinks that user is under 13
 
JAL
> And I have ADHD. And Photophobia. And I'm not right in the brain.
@QPaysTaxes from that user's profile yes
 
No bashing the user. This is SOCVR, not the linux terminal.
 
Really? logs out in protest
 
(side note) speaking of linux terminal, if anyone wants a fun game with terminals and hacking, try out hacknet
 
JAL
6:03 PM
@gunr2171 I saw you were playing that the other night, looks cool
 
it's a lot of fun
...but that's what you do in this game...
well, it is simulated, yes
 
The symptoms of ADHD and the symptoms of being 12 years old are the same.
 
honeypot.softwareskills.se/#/contest This is pretty fun as well
 
no, that would be way to hard to keep other people isolated
> Google announced today that Android 7.0 will officially be known as Nougat.
 
stackoverflow.com/q/38130041/3933332 WTF is this? 7 minutes after I closed it???
 
6:08 PM
-1 not enough rage
unfortunately, that's a thing that does happen, by design
 
@gunr2171 It happens a LOT.
 
yep, by design
you can submit an answer for a closed question up to 4 hours after the question is closed
 
by bad design
 
I'm not saying it's good or bad, just saying how it is
well wait, I did say "unfortunately", so I guess that hints that I hate it
 
@Rizier123 If they started answering before you closed it, they can still post it for some time after the question being closed.
There's also some details to it, but I don't care.
Or know, in fact
 
6:12 PM
@TIPS I've also started answering questions in the past while they got closed and I was NEVER able to submit it.
 
@Rizier123 Yeah I know, this is a server thing.
So sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
i.e. sometimes the server communicates, and sometimes it doesn't.
 
@Rizier123 Just bookmark it and come back in two days for a delete request if the dupe adds no value..
 
> if a user starts composing their answer before the question is closed, and ignores the warning messages they receive as soon as the question is closed, and works around the disabled submit button, then the grace period becomes around 4 hours.
from here
 
I never knew the time, but 4 hours? wut?
 
Actually I wanted to reference the meta.SE post.
They all explain this crudely.
Also sometimes the "post answer" button is never disabled.
 
6:14 PM
they are a h4x0r
 
At least once on meta.chem
 
disable or not, you can hack the JS.
 
Also what I don't get is those answers to clear duplicates get sometimes like 5 upvotes, or right now 3, and nobody upvotes any of the answers in the duplicate, which almost every time are way more informative.
 
Sometimes you don't even need to hack the JS, JS will hack itself!
@Rizier123 they are new, fresh eyeballs.
and yeah, agree with the disappointment
 
JAL
@gunr2171 actually, with the SpiderMonkey engine, JavaScript can destroy itself
 
6:18 PM
anyone knows where are defined the numeric equivalent for keyevents?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Do you have a dupe of that? stackoverflow.com/questions/38130289/… I can't find one, but I'll be amazed there isn't one...
 
@JAL .....wat, WHY. Why does this exist?
 
JAL
@gunr2171 because JavaScript, that's why
 
clearly
ah, that was a pun
 
heck! Chrome and Firefox throw different key events codes for = and -!
 
6:27 PM
@Braiam Just be happy you are not using Plop.JS. All keys return plop.
true plop
 
@gunr2171 Looks like it's just a special shell function for emptying an object.
 
it's just too bad that you can cut off your hands quite easily. Oh wait, that's C/C++
 
keypress seems to have the same code for both, but keydown/up are a mess!
 
@gunr2171 No, no, no. C lets you shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder but when you do you blown your whole damn leg off.
 
Today I learned C/C++ people have a leg fetish.
6
 
6:31 PM
how does he know
 
afk for a bit
 
TIL: afk can also mean "I'm going to a meeting... again"
 
you've cracked the code
 
@Tunaki I think pshemo's is good, no?
 
the cv request generator isn't matching this site
 
6:49 PM
afk
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis oh very nice, I didn't see it
 
That's what I thought, I only got your notification from chat like 10 mins later
 
Only mods can do that.
They have so much power. Like editing old and forgotten chat messages!
welcome to our world....
 
7:05 PM
not yet for meeee
 
There is an event in less then one hour
@Closey alive?
 
JAL
nope she ded
 
What is going on with that bot?
 
jealousy problem when Queen entered?
2
 
refrains from commenting
 
Sam
7:08 PM
@rene Keep getting 503s
 
2 days ago, by NathanOliver
I blame @Tunaki. Ever since they became an item she has been nothing but issues.
 
Here's a tough one: This question asks for details about how an extremely complicated framework handles some of its processing. It tries to be specific, but IMO fails. And even if it succeeded, the process for that specific case is also extremely complicated. I voted to close as too broad. Is that the correct action?
 
@Sam too much calls per minute?
 
Sam
@rene I don't think so. Nothing's changed with the polling functions.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Yeah, that's too broad. Especially that it talks about all annotations (and takes as example @Async) but one could also explain @Bean, and that is broad.
The entire Spring Core would need to be explained =/
 
7:19 PM
Even if it's wasn't Core, there's BeanPostProcessor, then there's the whole AOP stack for this feature alone, advise, proxies...
 
@queen idk
 
Oh also @Sotirios, what do you think about this one? stackoverflow.com/questions/38119664/… I closed it first (the linked one explained how you would overload main like any another method but with a vargs it couldn't work), was reopened, found another one
 
Yeah, I would use the one in your last comment, shall I?
 
7:26 PM
Sure if you think it applies
 
I think we're too defensive in this chat. Tell me to do something, I trust you lol
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I'm pretty sure it's a rule not to tell people how to vote.
 
Yeah, I think that's nonsensical. People won't just do what they are told.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis we can have that for a day and then we will be shutdown by Shog9 himself.
so, better not
 
Yeah, yeah
 
7:35 PM
I'm the irritating flower that spoils all the fun :(
 
I'm of the opinion that we need to train users to vote
 
@rene Yet we can't help but love and respect. How sad is that?
 
if that requires telling them, then so be it
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis if you make that to moderate, I'm with you
 
I'm the most frustrated by users who refuse to vote if the question/answer isn't completely nonsense (spam, troll, etc.). Some admit that an answer is wrong and they still don't downvote
What do you mean?
to moderate?
 
7:38 PM
Voting is a form of moderation. We need all users to be active in moderation, flagging, voting, editing
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis For extra annoyance: "Your answer does not work but +1 for trying to help me! :)"
 
Do you mean as opposed to abuse?
argh
 
This room only facilitates in the moderation that is public visible and can be scrutinized when needed
 
yeah, the cv-pls work fine here
but this can't be the only way to teach users how to moderate
 
I yell on meta but that is about it
 
7:40 PM
nor can the help center, need something that is integral to the usage of the site
you read a question, it should jump out to you how to act
 
I think most users are Facebook-ed
They only know the thumbs-up
 
Isn't there a thumbs-down on Facebook? (yeah I actually never really went there)
 
@Tunaki There are now other replies as well but not I hate you
 
I give Facebook the thumbs down.
 
@QPaysTaxes the drivers of any IBM Lenovo piece of hardware are broken by design
Yes
 
7:49 PM
When you forget to remove a test case, and now the production server is printing "Batman" into everyone's consoles...
 
@JacobGray "wat?"
 
@gunr2171 Yeah, I always have it print out something weird...
I just usually remember to remove it :P
 
@JacobGray just be happy: the latest release is in production
 
what, like Array(16).join("wat" - 1) + " Batman!"?
and if you don't get the reference, watch this
 
@Closey alive?
 
7:52 PM
that @durron597 guy is stealing close reviews on MSE. >:-(
 
nope
 
She is fighting with Queen in the back stage.
 

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