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6:11 PM
@LucDanton new chapter up (TDD)
 
neato
 
@LucDanton also they will be coming out at a faster rate
 
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Ven
@Zoidberg good :D
 
@ScarletAmaranth eh I’m not in any hurry
 
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Idea: freedom of religion, but only of religions of freedom.
 
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As they say; love must come from both sides.
 
Ven
"freedom, but only for things I agree with"
 
god those fucking taxes
i don't mind paying them
but having to do all those fucking calculations is just terrible
 
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No; there are religions that support freedom of *, such as FSM, that have elements that I do not agree with (lol spaghetti monsters are ridiculous).
 
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6:31 PM
> Allow freedom of that what hates freedom, and soon such freedom will be no more.
 
> Subject: Your order from August 1, 2013 is complete. Body: Hi there. Your recent order has been completed.
I’m quite confused right now
 
It's quite recent if you live on a long enough timescale
 
Ven
@whitequark When the C standard stares into the void, the void averts its eyes and cowers in terror.
4
 
@BartekBanachewicz sc2 soon?
 
@Puppy I'm ready
 
6:38 PM
give me ten minutes
 
Ven
gonna archon, or train?
 
archon
 
Ven
sounds fun :)
 
@Ven we're getting better every day
 
too fast almost
 
Ven
6:40 PM
I played some archon yesterday, and it didn't go that well :D
but that might be because we only try to cannon rush again terrans that walled off instantly :P
 
@Ven maybe we actually won against you then lol
 
Ven
nick / map?
 
Bajtek & DeadMG, so you'd prolly notice :P
 
Ven
you're overestimating me
 
we got placed at the bottom of Bronze.
so I doubt it
but we're now at the top of our Silver division
 
6:41 PM
how high is @Ven
@Puppy which is, frankly, just marginally better
 
Ven
i just don't read nicknames because I don't really care
 
ok
two more of my remaining six minutes to fridge my leftovers and we're on
 
Ven
nope, didn't play you
gonna play some unranked to hopefully unrust a bit. and to say I was already utter shit before :P
 
@Ven I got placed in Bronze league :P
 
Ven
well, I certainly am gonna get the same thing...
Need to learn build orders again.
I can't even win vs Elite AI all the time :(
 
6:46 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ok let's go
 
@melak47 q_q
 
Ven
that guy has been loading for 3minutes now. cmon
lol; the match got canceled. graet stuff
aaaaand the game crashed. Okay I'm done playing already
back then, 1/10 of my losses were due to crashes.
 
xD
 
You know what doesn't crash?
 
@Ven I like when you comment pull requests. It almost feels like I'm doing something worth it.
 
6:49 PM
Tatsoryk
 
Ven
game actually unfroze, I built a pylon, the guy quit
@Morwenn lol :D
i'm reading 'em for sure
 
YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS
 
Ven
or templates :P
holy fuck LOTV maps are shit
 
@Ven But they feel cryptic as fuck sometimes :o
 
Ven
@Morwenn my comments?
or your PRs
 
6:51 PM
My PRs.
 
Ven
not really
 
Ven
...guy paused the game -_-
 
Or maybe I'm just bad at understanding slightly-more-than-trivial diffs.
My brain goes « woops » and I end up reading several times the same thing without understand anything ._.
 
@Morwenn most people have this for everything rather than for diffs
 
6:57 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Oh, I guess I'm well amongst most people with regard to that then :)
 
Ven
THE GAME FUCKING CRASHED AGAIN
ARE YOU KIDDING ME BLIZZARD
 
I guess it's trying to say something.
 
@Morwenn I am somewhere inbetween; some written text has just the right amount of density of information and as I read it, I can follow stuff and everything is a consequence of something said before and it all just makes sense - but then there's stuff I get lost in and need to re-read numerous times
 
Ven
i fucking had that game holy shit
 
what game?
 
Ven
6:58 PM
@Morwenn i'm very used to reviewing PRs (experience from open source + work)
 
@Ven I'm used to read syntax and small constructs and patterns on-the-fly, but not to give meaning to the whole thing.
@ScarletAmaranth Some text are so easy to read it's impressive. I remember reading a book about North Korea a while ago, and was impressed by how easy reading it was.
 
@Morwenn ye I think there's a balance to be struck between 2 ends - if the "meat" is too spread out, you get bored and just don't want to go trough the crap that's not pertinent; and if it's too dense then you (or I :P) get unfocused because I can't handle all the info dump; (whether that's fiction or scientific literature)
 
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@Ven review my pr baby ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
@ScarletAmaranth I find that mathematical proofs are the hardest thing ever to read ._.
 
mmm, I like reading well-written proofs; a proof should be a story for the reader
if it's written well it just makes things obvious in a straightforward manner
I like mix of natural language and symbolic notation for my proofs
proofs are like programs, which is really cool (at least constructive proofs anyway)
 
7:07 PM
I find them really classy, but I generally don't understand a thing.
Even when I know how the proof works and why it works.
 
mmm; it depends... for example if you want to prove some equality (and many proofs can be rephrased such that it's equality of some sort), you can think of it as manipulating one side of the equation until it's syntactically equal to the other
 
Ven
I can link some pretty horrific agda rewriting code
 
I write a lot of horrific agda rewriting code :
:D
 
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A pull request is when you ask someone to give you a hand job.
 
and a lot of horrific Idris code
and a lot of horrific coq code
 
7:12 PM
Wat
 
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map passes two arguments, parseInt takes two arguments.
 
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Simple as that.
 
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Welcome to the world of overloading.
 
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Welcome to the world of retardation.
 
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Welcome to the world of bugs.
 
7:13 PM
NaN cat, so 2011.
 
@Zoidberg Thanks
 
user1804599
Use PureScript.
 
PurrScript
 
Why would map take a function that takes two arguments
sounds retarded
 
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> ["16", "04", "2016"] # map Int.fromString
[Just (16),Just (4),Just (2016)]
 
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7:19 PM
> ["16", "04", "2016"] # traverse Int.fromString
Just ([16,4,2016])
 
Ven
wow bashing map+parseInt, is this really 2016
 
yes it semi-exploded up on Twitter today
 
Ven
again?
 
user1804599
Nihilism is the future.
 
7:28 PM
CAPITALISM is the future
 
Nihilism is the present.
Or it isn't, whatever.
 
Nihilism is all about that river in Africa.
 
8:19 PM
@sehe I quit trying to optimize allocations with pools when I discovered tcmalloc. it has an extremely fast multithreaded pool implementation that is trivial to use
I actually reverted out some "fast" pools that I've had, because tcmalloc was faster
Ive had projects where malloc was at the top of the profile, switched to tcmalloc, and malloc disappeared down into the 0.0x% noise
it seems like C++ should be able to do better, because it can know more and do exactly the right thing, but I think tcmalloc wins because it avoids lock contention so well, and has excellent locality
 
You may also want to have a look at jemalloc.
 
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8:34 PM
Vousmallocs
 
@doug65536 I've used it for years
Only interacts badly with valgrind
@doug65536 Precisely
@Zoidberg vousvousmallocez
 
#JeSuisMalloc
 
@doug65536 I'm really curious now what this is and what the use cases are.
 
@Ven it's possible
 
Ven
@sehe of course it is
 
8:38 PM
@caps a malloc/free replacement, end of story.
 
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Õ_Õ
 
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Classic git branch rm
 
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You're not a real programmer if you've never created a Git branch called "rm".
 
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8:47 PM
We've all been through the phase of relying on intuition instead of the fucking manual.
 
tbh if I'm not sure about command I do command --asdfjsajdhfaskjdfhkasdf
It tells me the help 98% of the cases
 
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Or just RTFM and be sure forever in 100% of cases.
 
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You'll also discover warnings about edge cases
 
meh remembering things
I RTFM when I'm looking for an option
or need an otherwise broad elaborate thereon
 
lol reading git manual
skinning myself sounds like a more pleasurable action
 
Ell
8:58 PM
git manual is really good imho
regardless of how good the interface is
the manual is great
 
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If you take your job serious, you invest time. Because you know it'll pay back.
 
That's the spirit.
 
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So allocate time and RTFM.
 
Read it on company time too?
 
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If you need to use Git at work then yes
 
9:08 PM
I think we're on the same page.
 
hello
anyone here used aquila-dsp?
 
thank god..
in linux?
 
Ell
cruel
 
9:11 PM
cool..
Here is my problem.. I have built the source to a directory in HOME.
But I get these errors when trying examples given in the website.
 
undefined reference to `Aquila::SineGenerator::
and many more.
how do you link the headers.?
 
you don't, by their very definition
 
http://aquila-dsp.org/articles/wave-file-information/
I am trying this example code.
 
Yes why don't you ask someone who used it?
@Ell heh
 
9:15 PM
Two kinds of developers: the kind who spends their down-time reading manuals, and the kind that freak out when things go wrong because they don't know what to do.
 
test.c:(.text+0xa7): undefined reference to `Aquila::WaveFile::WaveFile(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, Aquila::StereoChannel)'
 
@AaronHall That is like treating the idiot / genius as a binary. There are plenty of the idiot bell curve to bleed into the genius range.
@Indrajith Are you using a c compiler to compile c++ stuff?
 
Two kinds of people: those who take false dichotomies with a grain of salt, and those who don't. :P
 
That read funnier in my head. Sorry.
 
I guess I missed it.
 
9:26 PM
@Indrajith Why don't you ask someone who used it?
Never said that
 
@AaronHall and those who remember to write down the base of the 10 in their joke.
oh wait, wrong joek
 
@CaptainGiraffe I thought it was fine.
 
@sehe :Half decent. Aaron didn't like it., but thanks for the encouragement =)
 
@Lalaland bring back StarGazer
 
@Zoidberg I have never and I don't see why it makes sense for it to accidentally happen
 
9:29 PM
I'm not a room owner and I'm not constantly watching the room - so I literally missed it.
 
How could you, twice?
Did you miss it again when I showed it for you, with advance warning and dual plinks?
 
I type, read some K&R and twitter, and come back, what, I have to give you my complete attention?
 
That's awesome.
 
@milleniumbug yeah, the git docs are terminology soup
 
@AaronHall YES
ONE OF US ONE OF US
 
9:30 PM
I'm watching.
 
@AaronHall Of course not. But don't sulk about missing it. And certainly not a second time
 
yo @sehe you tried Tatsoryk out yet?
 
Do I look foolish :)
 
It sounds delicious though. I'll ask for it next time I eat at the Greek restaurant
 
9:32 PM
Every chat you take... Every rule you break... Every know it you fake, Every c file you make, I'll be watching you...
 
That's Tzatziki
 
K&R? I read K&R 30 years ago. Is it still good?
 
I'm learning new stuff.
 
@AaronHall That's K&Reepy
8
 
@набиячлэвэлиь neat
 
9:34 PM
@sehe :s/new/old/g
 
Sting and the Police. Aaron Hall and the NSA
 
@набиячлэвэлиь dragstart causes it to get stuck for me (linux / gnome2flashback / chromium )
 
Well it's new to me.
 
What'ch y'all think?
 
cool. it needs to interpolate the prediction better.
 
Ven
9:36 PM
Your mom is too big to be interpolated in that string
 
the hardest part is keeping the mouse inside the box
 
Knuths The art of computer programming is even more of an immortal text if you care for an alternative to your bedside text.
 
@Rapptz do you still remember how that went stackoverflow.com/questions/36851384/… ?
 
Yeah, if I could stay away to read when I go to bed it would probably help, but I zonk pretty fast.
that's a good thing
 
yesterday, by sehe
user image
 
9:38 PM
> >I zonk pretty fast
phrasing
 
I'm a fast zonker, so what?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь if you touch your character against the left side, up and down dont work properly
 
But that is so unfair. It is an excellent text. If you're that prone to sleep, read it on the crapper!
 
@sehe I would move the coffee inside the loop
 
9:42 PM
Hah. I was expecting it when I worked my way down the chart. Never did notice the violated anticipatation
 
violates the single responsibility principle
 
@BartekBanachewicz You see that snippet you posted last night is what I kind of had in mind
 
Now here's an excellent idea for your programming channel if your still doing it. Elegant solutions to TAOCP exercises.
 
Great idea.
 
Magnificent!
 
9:44 PM
@CaptainGiraffe I more or less accidentally stopped. I started my new job, and I haven't felt like streaming again since
 
writes a subclass that behaves differently thus potentially breaking the program in subtle ways
 
ambiguously shadows furiously
 
@sehe I can accept that. I'd like to say thanks for the stuff you gave.
 
It is my pleasure. I might take it up again (perhaps it means it's time to switch jobs?)
 
Barbara Liskov is concerned
 
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9:47 PM
Last time I used inheritance was like a year or two ago
 
Hahaha. Bruce Schneier, never change:
> (Note that wired.com blocks ad blockers. My trick is to copy the page and then paste it into my text editor.) src
 
@sehe That's illegal
 
@AaronHall She was outplayed by Demeter, goddess of discipline
@набиячлэвэлиь hahahahahahahahaha
 
@Zoidberg I used it yesterday so I didn't have to rewrite a name() member. I should probably rewrite that.
 
@sehe In Europe blocking adblockers is illegal yes
 
9:49 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь Nope, oh yeah. Sometimes. For Wired likely yes.
 
Liskov Substitution is very very important.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь It is contested. Not illegal
 
whatever that means
 
that's two very's for emphasis.
 
> I use uBlock Origin as my adblocker and have enabled the anti-adblock blocking list in the options, and can read Wired fine.
This is also funny. Blockception
 
9:52 PM
anti-adblock blocking list :D
 
stoned-black-guy-i-heard-you-like-82354715-l.jpg
 
How do you guys listen to music? I have en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Paganini giving this youtube.com/watch?v=0FbQZCsYXVg by a Russian dude. Leading me to youtube.com/…
Paganini is my original gangster =)
 
dat ass animation /cc @StackedCrooked @Mysticial
4
them details
 
10:11 PM
Gotta love the #include "stdafx.h".
 
I'm enjoying the soundtrack here way more than expected. /cc @StackedCrooked
They also have very good camera crew/editor
 
plz dont question dump, kthx
 
DV and move along
 
6 messages moved to bin
I could see me making that a playlist for a while
 
@sehe Do you have a favorite artist?
performer/composer?
 
10:21 PM
Not really. I have had a fan crush on Bill Evans (pi.)
Composer: shostakovich, prokoffiev
 
@sehe I had a crush on Chick Corea =)
 
No crush here, but he has made some nice recordings.
I'm really fond of Keith Jarret playing Shos. preludes+fugues
 
The terminal baggage claim stuff was in my opinion a great piece.
Oh yes.
 
Time for me to zonk as well. Night all!
@CaptainGiraffe (on the list)
 
I'm partial to Daniel Barenboim when it comes to recordings. Chopin/Beethoven/Sibelius is my favorite composers.
I've played a lot of fun Shostakovich pieces on the piano though=)
 
10:31 PM
@CaptainGiraffe He's one of my turn-offs (a bit like Isac Stern on violin). I think Barenboim & Beethoven are the best of his discography yeah
@CaptainGiraffe Which ones? The preludes, I suppose. And the fairy-tale dances? Or the actual preludes and fugues?
I once had a look at his sonatas. Oooph.
Lol. Serendipitous
 
anyone familiar with this piece?
 
@Charlie Ask @AndyProwl
 
10:52 PM
is the for (auto &x : vec) faster than for(int x=0;x<vec.size();++x;) approach?
 
@Charlie ask your profiler not us
chances are thats not your bottleneck so any time you spend on this is wasted
 
just making smalltalk
but I guess I could set something up and check
 
Or just look up what ranged-for actually does en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/range-for
 
how about that weather tho
 
11:01 PM
Hint; It's largely Europe here. The nightly weather sucks, and people are asleep
 
=)
 
@Charlie Maybe so, maybe not. Depends on how much overhead are introduced by the iterators of vec. And also on whether the second case uses .at() or []. And probably also on some other things. The second might or might not be optimized by your compiler to only call .size() once, but if it doesn't then that could also be a performance hit.
 
hm
im like trying to clean up a draw call, and considering things that might slow it down
 
use destructors hth
 
maybe I should try to offload the calculations to the shader/gpu
atleast I think thats an idea
 
11:07 PM
@Charlie range-based for (and it's older, uglier relative, std::for_each) can both reasonably by assumed to be faster than the old-fashioned for(auto iter = vec.begin(); iter != vec.end(); ++iter).
 
caps. Are you trolling
 
thats what im assuming caps
 
@sehe No. Does it look like I am? I understand that the latter does not always optimize away the call to .end()
 
In 99% of cases there will be no measurable difference (just compare assembly)
 
maybe compilers have gotten so good, they just find the optimal solution?
 
11:09 PM
@caps It does. It's just bad to go around dishing that advice. Did you mean ranged-for can be assumed to be not-slower
@Charlie That's why it's not ~90% indeed
 
Id rather be safe than sorry, I think its good advice
 
fun fact: it doesn't matter
2
 
If you want to be safe and not sorry, you don't take blind advice. You think and profile.
 
I bet there is a great example of where it matters
 
Yawn
I'm off to bed. Chick Corea is keeping me awake
 
11:11 PM
@sehe Fair enough.
 
fun fact: nothing matters and happiness is a lie
 
11:28 PM
happiness lies in no matter thing
 
11:48 PM
@Mikhail Have you seen this? dap.xeonphi.com
$4,700 for the low end one if you drop the HD.
I'm tempted.
Ending that agonizing wait for AVX512 is almost worth it.
Downside: Only 96GB of memory and probably don't take Windows very well.
 
@Mysticial "only"
#justMysticialthings
 
Win10 can only handle up to 256 cores. This thing has 288 vcores.
 
only
 
@Borgleader For something like this, I expect a lot more than that.
The 8-core box that I'm typing on right now already has 64 GB. I can easily drop 128 GB into it if I drop $400.
 
@Mysticial Oh dont get me wrong, I'm just highlighting the uh... watchamacallit... difference in standards :P
 
11:51 PM
:)
There's only 6 DIMMs and there's no option to choose 32 GB sticks.
That sucks.
 
I need anew laptop
The pieces came losoe my fan and the thing is overheating now
Any recommendations?
It needs to be powerful enough to run Vulkan, FWIW
 
I have a tank of a laptop from Asus, worth the money, but not exactly cheap (or easy to carry)
 
What's your budget?
Mine's an MSI laptop.
And I found out that I can't run Linux on it.
 
Give me suggestions for Unlimited and 2,000 USD
 
MSI and Linux don't get along.
 

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