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12:01 AM
Any ideas off the top of your head what would cause an Illegal Instruction in a boost::variant assignment operator?
 
You're compiling for a target that your processor can't run.
 
@ThePhD I have the 4-5yr old 15" version of asus.com/ca-en/site/g-series (or something close anyway)
for reference it ran sc2 4v4 just fine (on high)
 
@Mysticial Not likely...
 
@caps UB doesn't lead to an illegal instruction unless your code is dynamic.
 
12:03 AM
Hi guys, Is it bad to use
if (int result = fn() > 0)
cout << result << endl;
If I only need the result once like that, wondering if its a bad habit to have. I wouldnt use if i needed a secondary condition tho, it wouldn-t be so readable anymore
 
... what's more likely is forgetting to put a return this; inside operator=
 
> No mention fo GPU
 
@ThePhD Well its a whole series, so it varies depending on model
> ASUS ROG G752VL-DH71 Gaming Laptop 6th Generation Intel Core i7 6700HQ (2.60 GHz) 16 GB Memory 1 TB HDD NVIDIA GeForce GTX 965M 2 GB GDDR5 17.3" Windows 10 Home 64-Bit
(This is newegg.ca mind you)
 
@ThePhD First sentence of description: "ROG G752 gives you unbeatable performance thanks to a 6th-generation Intel® Skylake Core i7 processor and up to the latest GTX 980M graphics card."
 
> tfw I can't read
I should probably stop being in school.
And go be a homeless person.
 
> $1,649.00
 
wow you can pick your options to
 
For the almost-lowest specs.
Do I need an SSD?
.... Nah.
 
@ThePhD I suppose you don't need one, but I can't quite imagine buying a new computer today without one either.
 
It hikes the price up a good 200ish USD.
 
12:10 AM
i.e. by the price of an ssd ;)
 
qq
I've seen cheaper desktop SSDs
 
Who said they put the cheapest one in :P
Anyway, happy shopping :)
 
@Ven It's fixed now
 
@ThePhD Depending on what SSD you're getting for your $200, I suppose it might make more sense to buy it without, and order the SSD separately (if you're comfortable installing it yourself).
 
I just realized
I can get a laptop for 1920 x 1080 now
I can finally live the dream.
> MSI, Alienware, Lenovo, ASUS
Those are the to brands.
 
12:19 AM
@ThePhD I advise learning to dream bigger. 1920 isn't bad, but (IMO) 1200 is the minimum acceptable vertical resolution.
 
But... but muh money. ;~;
> 2560 x 1440, 6 laptops
Grrreat.
 
meanwhile my laptop has a max resolution of 1440x900
 
RIP you.
Anyone heard of the company "Langsdom" ?
 
@ThePhD There's a 4k laptop at my local Best Buy. 15.4 inch monitor.
I don't get it.
If you tried to code on it with default scaling, your eyes will be fucked.
 
I'm gonna get a 17 or 18 inch laptop.
Maybe bigger.
 
12:33 AM
bigger?
holy fuck
I've heard of a 20 incher where the monitor mount doubled as a handle. But that was absurd anyway.
 
I don't understand why you need a big laptop - it kind of defeats the purpose of being easily carried around.
Personally I prefer desktop - cheaper option for more processing power
and better keyboard & mouse
 
Don't have that option.
I move around too much for a desktop to be acceptable.
or I would have had one already. :v
 
@ThePhD Plz no, youll break your back :(
 
@Borgleader My first laptop was 18.6 inches. :v
 
jeeezus wtf
 
12:43 AM
I like big.
And I like better resolutions.
 
@ThePhD kinky
 
My current one that I held onto for 3+ years that's dying of overheating right now because the cooling is shit and some internal fan bits FINALLY broke,
is some rinky dinky 16 inches with 1600 x 900ish resolution
It's literally cancer.
 
Mine was 15" or so with a 1080 screen, and honestly im glad it wasnt any higher, text was already pretty small (and changing the default DPI in windows just fucks up all the things)
but i guess on a 17-18" screen you could go for like 1440p
 
I've used 17 in. laptops for 7 years now. Now on my 3rd one.
They're great for gaming or coding on the road. Not so nice for battery life though.
Also not so nice on airplanes.
 
Yeah mine lasts about 2hrs now (of 4 hrs originally) :(
 
12:52 AM
Well, since my uncon money has been burned to the ground and I don't have insurance or anything I'm not worried about getting on a plane anytime soon. :v
4 hours? I'd kill for that kind of battery life.Even my current one only givesme like 1 hour.
 
Well before i broke the fucking power pin that is
i still havent gotten that repaired
and it would be nice since im going on a trip sewnish
anyway, bed time for now
 
MSI keeps coming out on top in the rating results.
 
~toodles
 
But ASUS isn't too far behind.
Nighty night!
 
@ThePhD I give them 0/5 for Linux compatibility.
Other than that, they're pretty good.
 
12:54 AM
Helllloooo.
 
I hate Linux and it can DIAF, so. :v
 
Discord is dead ;~;
@JerryCoffin Some laptops even have desktop GTX 980s in them.
I want one.
 
I remember seeing a laptop that had a Core i7 920 in it. That's a high-end chip. 130W. If you did the same now, you can put 22 cores in a laptop with a Broadwell chip.
 
The battery life on that must've been horrible.
But the 4790K + GTX 980 laptops fair just fine I've heard.
 
I can totally see a 5960X with 8 x 16 GB SODIMMs in a laptop.
That'd be awesome.
 
1:02 AM
@Nooble Because I hadn't arrived yet!
 
@DmitriBudnikov :P
I miss direct replies.
 
@Rapptz is hard at work on those
 
He better be.
Else I'll be upset and cry.
@Mysticial Is it because of NVIDIA's Optimus?
I feel like I've had plenty of problems with that :P
 
@Nooble no idea
 
...
THE FACE WHEN ALL OF YOUR SCHOOLWORK IS ON YOUR DEAD LAPTOP
 
1:15 AM
hard drives can be removed hth
inb4 "but it's a mac"
 
It's a regular laptop but I don't have the screwdrivers and shit to open it up.
 
that's easily resolved though
obtain screwdriver, win at life
they are so helpful
 
My money.
 
@ThePhD Invest in a precision bitset!
 
1:18 AM
which is more valuable: all your schoolwork, or a screwdriver
 
The screwdriver.
:v
 
I have a 58-piece screwdriver set I've bought for $19.
 
is jelly
 
@jaggedSpire I had to not eat lunch for 2 days.
To save up for that.
Totally worth it.
 
wow that is a lot of money for you isn't it
 
1:22 AM
@jaggedSpire Yeah ;~;
 
pastebin.com/fH5ZSuwN so this is my current draw call, idk where to go with it, and its still bottlenecking hard
With objects half the size, im still getting the same framerates
=/ like i managed to get it running 5 times as fast, by only passing the things that change for each object
 
@Charlie OpenGL gives too many fucking pointers already.
 
I was gonna say something like "This isn't the Chocolate Factory you're looking for", but no
Also Bartek knows OGL I think
 
=/ like i managed to get it running 5 times as fast, by only passing the things that change for each object
when I pass it objects half the size, even 1/4th, it gets the same frames
 
1:37 AM
@Charlie Are you using glBufferSubData when you pass only the modified data?
 
I dont pass modified data, Im only drawing static objects
the vertex info remains unchanged
You might be onto something tho, hold on
 
2:03 AM
@Charlie hI Mr. Raw Open Gl. Glad to see you here again :P
 
=P like im proud of it, so idk to feel conflicted or not
using glbuffersubdata doesnt improve performance, and it seems it doesnt allocate memory either
 
glbuffersubdata may change your life :D
Got addicted to this song lol
 
good to know
 
2:20 AM
Well this group is falling asleep
RIP guys
@Charlie you killed them with your questions about raw open gl ? :P
 
so it seems
ive managed to clean up alot of my draw call tho, from 200 easy, to now around 1200 without issue
just from lounge advice
 
1 programmer's soul every 100 lines of code . lol
Have you tried to dig in the source code of game engines? It's very helpful for learning purposes
 
2:41 AM
> No more 1920x1200 laptop screens after this year
@JerryCoffin what do ;~;
 
Linux Still sucks in 2016 :(
 
> $1,898.99
My fuckin' wallet.
 
@ThePhD buy some stocks if it's spare money :P
 
3:17 AM
@ProblemSlover you sound like a newb in programming
actually make it newb in interneting too
 
@Telkitty I know how to code CSS and HTML :D
#ProudToBeAbleToCodeHTML5
 
Try to learn javascript, I am sure the most popular chat on the stackoverflow will welcome you whole heartedly
 
Oh.. Javascript is too hard for me .. those variables . vars functions,objects. oh my brain
Coding HTML For food.
HTML4 for Bread. and HTML5 for meat
CSS3 for beer
 
 
2 hours later…
5:07 AM
Is 16 GB enoughmemory?
 
5:46 AM
@ThePhD I have 16GB on my work laptop and imac at home.
 
12 GB is plenty
 
6:18 AM
16 GB is plenty too
This makes me wonder. RAM has been doubling every few years as well. Is this also coming to an end?
 
6:35 AM
@ThePhD No such thing.
Don't listen to these plebs
 
user1804599
Lol there's snow today in NL
 
user1804599
And tomorrow is king's day.
 
user1804599
Bad weather during retarded feast is really nice.
 
6:51 AM
Can anyone explain to me what this c error means, c noob here
 
Ven
hi lounge
 
Ven
7:05 AM
@DanielKobe the error message seems explicit enough – I think you should learn more C
 
@Ven Im trying, its tough for me....
 
nwp
@DanielKobe it is telling you to use message. instead of message->
 
@DanielKobe looks like you don't use an IDE like VS
 
nwp
listen to your compiler
 
grr vampire feeders
 
Ven
7:20 AM
@DanielKobe I never pretended it was easy. I just said you should learn more C before writing more code
 
@Puppy I miss Raw Open GL Chat :P
 
user1804599
You're a bunch of sluts.
2
 
Ven
> Master Git turned and threw himself off the railing, falling to his death on the rocks below.
holy damn, @Ell, it's just amazing
 
user1804599
Somebody didn't RTFM.
 
Ven
0
Q: Pure C vs Kernel C vs classic C

Rares Sabin RusuI'm in my last year as a college student and I find myself in the perplexing situation in which, although I understand conceptually that there are some minor differences between these, like in classic C the function did not have prototypes, thankfully no longer in use, I can't pinpoint those prec...

do they give drugs to students nowadays?
@Zoidberg our avatars look too much alike :\
 
user1804599
7:32 AM
I'm gonna redo the optimisation step a little bit.
 
user1804599
I'm gonna do it on CoreFn instead of JS AST.
 
user1804599
It's more portable and less likely to break.
 
Ven
very good.
wait what, downvotes don't cost rep anymore¿ wtf (or is that just for answers?)
 
user1804599
That is only for answers.
 
user1804599
They realised how many crappy questions there were that had to be downvoted into oblivion, so they decided to do away with the fine.
 
Ven
7:36 AM
I see, thanks.
 
@Zoidberg I enjoyed your explanation of scala's modules.
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz where?
 
user1804599
Me too.
 
Ven
and you're not gonna provide a transcript link, of course :P
 
user1804599
7:46 AM
class Maps[T](ord: Ordering[T]) {
    class Map { ... }
}
val CaseSensitiveMaps = new Maps(csStrOrd)
val CaseInsensitiveMaps = new Maps(ciStrOrd)
// CaseSensitiveMaps and CaseInsensitiveMaps are modules
// their Map inner types are distinct
val m: CaseSensitiveMaps.Map = new CaseInsensitiveMaps.Map(); // type error
 
user1804599
This was the gist.
 
user1804599
OCaml functors ++
 
Ven
ah ok, the # vs . difference
 
@BartekBanachewicz good find, then :)
 
user1804599
def insert[K](maps: Maps[K, V])(map: maps.Map[K, V], key: K, value: V): maps.Map[K, V] = ???
insert(CaseSensitiveMaps)(m, "hello", "world") // ok
insert(CaseInsensitiveMaps)(m, "hello", "world") // type error
 
user1804599
7:52 AM
etc
 
.@grsecurity Did you seriously just IP block me on your site? Please tell me this is a coincidence and you're not a 5yo throwing a tantrum.
3
 
> as for using a size_t for a boolean, it doesn't matter, in C any integer type has enough range to express a bool value (the original code didn't use bool either but int).
 
user1804599
Only 0-bit integers don't.
 
@Griwes it's good to see linux ecosystem thriving
idiots.
 
8:02 AM
@Ven people just don't understand the importance of standarization
 
Ven
You must construct additional committees.
7
 
user1804599
wat, in PureScript you can match on multiple values without a tuple:
 
user1804599
case a, b, c of
  1, 2, 3 -> ok
 
user1804599
@Ven Nice.
 
Ven
@Zoidberg like match in LS
(worst feature ever)
 
user1804599
8:12 AM
PS has no tuples though
 
Ven
neither does LS
 
user1804599
LS has arrays.
 
user1804599
PureScript also has arrays but they're homogeneous.
 
Ven
:D. therefore LS > PS :P
 
user1804599
Well in LS arrays are also homogeneous.
 
user1804599
8:16 AM
It's just that everything has the same type.
 
you know guys
 
Ven
we do
 
more and more I find myself typing something into an internet input text box and not sending it
oh well /cc @slaphappy
 
Ven
featured? grats
 
no idea what's the basis for that but flair is always nice
just like imaginary internet points
@Ven thanks. Btw, how's your starcraft-fu? :D
me and puppy got a buttiful 8-4 yesterday
 
Ven
8:26 AM
rofl
@BartekBanachewicz first match, game crashes. second match, the guy quits after seeing I built a pylon in his base. third match, the loading takes 3minutes and ultimately is canceled. fourth match, I crash when I had won and was just waiting to A-click
let's just say i was a bit annoyed.
 
user1804599
Bananasandwich
 
@Ven ouch, I had the 4th situation once. The game hanged and my mutalisks were hanging a meter away from his last gas
it took the guy like 10 more minutes to clear up the rest of the map
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz I run lowest settings and I crash a lot. Back near the end of HOTS, a certain map would always have me crash. And I always got that map for promotion matches, of course...
 
@Ven why don't you ban it? And how do you know they were promotion matches?
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz because I was silver and the guy was gold
@BartekBanachewicz I already had banned other maps that made me crash :v
 
8:30 AM
@Ven that... doesn't mean it's a promotion match
the divisions are completely unlinked from your MMR
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz you get what I mean – those wins (vs someone higher up) weight more points.
the matchmaking in starcraft is retarded anyways.
 
@Ven yeah that's true, but the only way those can earn you a promotion is when a big enough difference in MMR appears
otherwise you get end-of-season promotions that are actually based on division points
 
Ven
nah, sometimes you have guys at the top of their division with like 60-100 and they never get promoted
 
@Ven "end-of-season". Also it's not guaranteed.
 
Ven
i had 60-43, with 5-6 of those losses (at least) due to crashes, and I still didn't get promoted because I'd crash on every higher-up opponent (except for one time, but I lost that time, so..)
 
8:33 AM
Also win count doesn't matter, or being 1st in the first place
you need a certain amount of points
I think for gold it's around 1800 or something
@Ven When I dialed the settings to Low I'm pretty fine (altough streaming is a no-no)
 
Ven
streaming would strain my CPU, which is pretty stable. my gpu seems to be more of an issue these days :(
 
@Ven video compression is done on gpu
 
Ven
just get better internet :P
 
well get a better PC:P
I was actually looking at some nice company that can build you one
watercooled and the like
 
Ven
could be interesting, but I'm not sure I want to put money in a new computer
 
8:42 AM
hmm actually
maybe I could 3d-print a pad for my laptop
I use things to prop it up
@Ven so what is it these days? Cars? Hookers? Drugs?
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz savings
no drugs, they're boring. no hookers, i wouldn't pay for that. i don't (yet) have my driving license, so that's out as well :P
 
yeah girlfriends are the worst
@Ven bah you should get one then
 
Ven
when I get my license, I (probably) will. but in Paris, it's not exactly needed
 
@Charlie painfully familiar
 
Ven
8:45 AM
@BartekBanachewicz some would argue it's money you don't spend on hookers, and others would (rightfully) call them sexist :P
 
it's not just that
it's that you go places you wouldn't otherwise go
which is both good and bad
waaaaait
Legendary doesn't mean "200 repcapped rep", but just "200 rep"?
 
morning
 
eh, hardly new
 
this is from a video where Microsoft guys talk about Unix tools
 
I'll stay on MSYS TYVM
 
8:53 AM
but why write *NIX instead of UNIX
 
@KhaledKhnifer because they meant Linux as well?
 
Ven
LuNIX :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz and the guy who made it is an idiot. :D
 
we all know that the only true *Nix is NixOS
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's not how the wildcard * works.
 
8:56 AM
this wildcard isn't meant to be taken literally
 
of course, it wouldn't be a wildcard otherwise
 
maybe it's not a wildcard at all..
 
Ven
maybe it's just a wildcat
 
maybe they censored the work UNIX like how the F word is censored F*@%
 
*NIX is a common way to talk about all UNIX derivatives.
 
8:59 AM
@KhaledKhnifer and other words like F#ck and C#nt
I think I know where those languages come from now
 
@Griwes AFAIK that's *nix, not all caps
 
vOv
Whichever works.
 

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