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2:00 PM
Not salvageable
I keep forgetting delete requires 20k
 
@Magisch Find 1.
 
@NathanOliver
 
Yeah
 
@Cerbrus FTFY
 
Deleted, excellent
 
2:01 PM
@Cerbrus I must keep answering silly easy c questions for at least another year before SO trusts me with that
 
Thanks, @tchrist
 
@NathanOliver crap, I'm too slow. Nevermind
 
@Magisch Good idea.
 
Actually spam
still up
@gunr2171 why do you edit spam?
 
2:04 PM
because now it's not spam and has some value
 
I honestly think it was spam disguised. Now it's a comment at best
 
Can someone please review my A for any editing possibilities?
 
@Tunaki that's why I'm using a VLQ flag
 
Sam
@kayess Reading...
 
@Sam Thank you. In it's earlier version I got some edit love from Tuna
 
2:06 PM
@gunr2171 Meh. From 1 rep unreg user...
 
so?
 
"Yup, that other answer works" doesn't really add anything
Should've been a comment
 
A question has been closed as duplicate, but the duplicate is not a very good target (it's not that bad either, just slightly off). Still, OP has voted to close as Community. Is there something to do or should I just move on? I'm for the "move on" choice, but I prefer having another opinion.
 
English question: which one is proper "I got" or "I had" ?
 
Depends on what comes after it.
 
2:08 PM
@kayess both are fine, depends on context
 
Oh hm
2 mins ago, by kayess
@Sam Thank you. In it's earlier version I got some edit love from Tuna
 
got
 
Seems ok
 
That's where I'm unsure
Ok, thanks to both of you:)
 
Sam
@kayess Made a minor edit.
 
2:09 PM
got is to receive something in the past, had is to just say something happened in the past
 
@Sam Thanks again
 
Had: Have - Got: Get
 
Coincidentally I had an english exam in vocational school today
 
(disclaimer: I'm a programmer, not an English major)
 
Yeah alright. But I read somewhere that there are cases when you can say like "I had gotten". How is that valid?
 
Sam
2:10 PM
@kayess np
 
iTalkLikeThisForA.Living()
 
@kayess Because you had gotten it in the mail earlier.
 
@tchrist But could that be valid as "you had got it in the mail earlier" or "you had it in the mail earlier"?
I need some google on this
 
26
Q: Difference between "I have got" and "I have gotten"

Anderson SilvaI see these two expressions are used almost identically in different contexts. Is there a difference between I have got and I have gotten?

There's even a tag for it.
 
2:15 PM
@tchrist Oh wow, thanks!:) I think there are nothing really left on earth that isn't covered by some SE sites. :p
 
@tchrist can you give a quick read over #11?
 
Out of flags. Passing the torch to someone else.
 
@gunr2171 Now what have I done? :)
 
everything
 
adds DID ALL THE THINGS to his daily status report
 
2:18 PM
@Tunaki You're a ridiculous flagmonger
 
@Magisch flagmonger?
 
@Tunaki Yeah, you flag alot.
Wait, maybe im not getting the meaning of that word
 
Just realized is this tool rec right?
 
@Magisch like warmonger? So someone who is trying to rile people up to flag more stuff?
 
2:28 PM
@ryanyuyu IIRC Monger means Vendor or Merchant
Tunaki sells helpful flags
 
Yep that's the original meaning (like fishmonger). Although "selling" flags means trying to convince others to use them.
 
Of course its not a currency, but its a KPI. The greater your KPI the better you do. If you did well 9 years ago it doesn't mean that you do well now, but community still trusts you, according to the current point system. In scientific community, your Hirsch index decays over time if you don't "post", but your work remains for all to see and use, forever. Such a mechanism encourages authors to post on more recent questions, the successful and experienced users and the new bright helpers. — coulminer 7 mins ago
Referring to So reputation
>_>
 
KPI?
 
@Kyll Key Performance Indicator
A number expressing how well you are doing at whatever it is that that number judges.
 
Oh, right
 
2:37 PM
Or a Kyll Permission Indicator
2
How many Kylls you fit into your code
 
What does "I suggest head down tail up" means? Is it some australian slang or so?
 
@Magisch For you it's -1515.94% =D
 
Ouch. That Where to report perpetual energy guy got a 1 year suspension. I wonder if the mods did that to protect the account as it might be hacked.
 
@NathanOliver Dang. I was waiting for that report.
 
@NisseEngström inorite? I wanted some perpetual energy.
 
2:42 PM
Wouldn't it be hilarious if the guy really had found a way to violate the law of energy conservation and because we mocked and deleted his question now he will take that knowledge to the grave with him
 
@NathanOliver I think so. That seems like a decent indicator of a possibly compromised account.
@Magisch sounds like the makings of a novel.
 
That was my second thought when I saw it. I would not expect a question like that from a 1.5k user
 
@TinyGiant Page not found (firefox link)
 
I love the new NATO
(the hide the question version he gave me)
 
@NathanOliver Link/screen?
Woah, thanks
 
2:50 PM
@NathanOliver please remove
 
@bummi Why?
 
don't call out useres
 
Because we are not targetting users
 
It's not targetting
o_o Nathan is only providing a link to a suspended profile because weird stuff happened
 
Im calling out @Kyll with this comment.
 
2:52 PM
"Targeting" means that we actively run after a user for their every post, or sweep through their history to downvote/vtc/whatever stuff
 
@bummi bummi's correct
 
5 min are gone soon ... hurry
 
@gunr2171 So what, we're not supposed to give any link whatsoever to a user now?
 
Hi all o/
 
2:54 PM
@kayess I think it's a kinky sexual reference
 
Plop Bhargav o/
 
no, don't jump to conclusions
 
@Drew Can I have that version also?
 
That's what Nathan did only
 
@BhargavRao Hiya o/
 
2:56 PM
@Kyll Yes, Boltclock's response to my Meta Q was spot-on, I've accepted it as The Answer. Now to test...
This user's four answers are all identical duplicates, and borderline spam. I've commented and downvoted all - and it looks like others have flagged some already, e.g. @tunaki. Now, I'll also flag as duplicates... because while I like scripts I don't completely trust them. (Hey - if there is an automatic script to identify duplicates, why doesn't it just delete them before we see them?)
 
my message to nathan: "if you didn't include a link to the user it would be fine". It's because of the reason that there's drama happening with the user
 
@gunr2171 Ah, okay then
Should've expected drama, my bad
 
@Tunaki do you see my screen shot on meta under mog's Q from yesterday?
 
@Mogsdad trust the system Mogs
 
2:57 PM
An auto-flag will be raised.
 
@Tunaki I feel sad that @Mogs aint trust the system like us :D
 
@Drew Screens blocked at work
 
so that is a combo of dark themes script, NATO, plus the squelch the Questions side of things on NATO
ah so you can't use it anyway ?
 
I can use it at home
 
let me check the transcript from last nite. Tiny posted it. Unless he then deleted the link
 
2:58 PM
@Tunaki sounds like you need a workaround
 
Oh @Tuna you recruited @Drew to conduct NATO Strikes while I was away? o_O
 
@BhargavRao Yeah Drew joined in on the strike team.
Well re-joined.
 
I have always been doing NATO. I just complain about it on meta :p
 
@Tunaki The recruiter has been recruited
 
@gunr2171 hmm, interested
 
3:00 PM
@Mogsdad So you are going to keep flagging duplicate answers? Also if you vote on 3 or more answer in a short time that may qualify you as a serial voter. I do not know if it handles deleted answers.
 
@AndrasDeak Thanks! It was a quote from @MsYvette's meta answer :)
@Drew any progress with recruiting Stephan Muecke?:p
 
Yeah @Mogs, just comment. They are copy-paste, the flag will be raised and it'll be handed.
 
Also remember that if they are not exact copy-paste answers the auto flag won't be raised
 
yeah so trust the system only on exact copy paste :D
 
I cannot believe this got 120 upvotes: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/317907/…
Who would've thought that 120 people are as pendantic as @Tunaki
 
3:03 PM
I cannot believe it's not butter
 
I prefer the hyphen.
 
@gunr2171 Is it though?
It sure looks like butter
 
The mods scold people for flagging saying the script picks it up. When it doesn't many times. Make you look like fools.
Then they wonder why no one cares anymore
 
@Drew Script picks what up?
 
@Magisch the "parse html with regex" answer is actually butter. your post is not
 
3:04 PM
I wonder why chris deleted his answer.
 
Then people with no experience flagging go blabbering on meta
 
@gunr2171 I wonder if I can open a portal to the forgotten realm of the void god N'yaloth if I write an arbitrary HTML parser in regex.
 
@gunr2171 Drama
 
@NathanOliver Chris deletes all his neg voted answers.
 
bummer
 
@kayess yeah, I know:P And I was joking. But I'm not sure what it means
I assumed something like "ignore and keep doin what you should be doing"
 
@Drew Do you have example where the auto-flag wasn't raised?
 
@AndrasDeak Yeah probably that.
 
@Kyll emotional intelligence and emotions in general are off topic on SO
We hate fun
 
@Magisch We hat fun*
 
3:08 PM
@NathanOliver Advice from ChrisF was to downvoted & comment... done. Drew made the point (and was rebuffed) that we were being asked to act like stalkers & serial voters. We'll see.
 
@Magisch Unless they're involved in indexing strategies =p
 
@Tunaki Too many and I was told to drop it
 
we need a trademark logo there. like blizzard's soon.
 
@Mogsdad OK.
 
They do want us to act like mini-stalkers and moderate kindly. Then they question why we are stalking.
It's all bullcrap
 
3:11 PM
@Tunaki HTF would we know one way or the other? It's why BoltClock's answer makes sense - if a human notices a problem and flags it, and a script makes a similar determination, it's easy to say the human's flag was "helpful"... and since the script only picks up exact duplicates, humans are more reliable identifiers of pretty-darn-exact dupes anyway.
 
@Mogs still have flags? stackoverflow.com/users/5945731/golden Potential spam
 
Sometimes I'd like to moderate with a spiky sledgehammer
 
@Tunaki Spam? (Needs one more for the autoflag)
 
@Mogsdad I already agree with you :D but I've personally stopped flagging, the same reason as Drew.
 
3:13 PM
@Tunaki Ah... assumed you'd flagged based on a comment on one of the answers.
 
@Magisch Please discuss whether you think it is before dropping the Smokey bomb
 
I seen that spam on other sites too....
 
@Tunaki Openly promoting a commercial product with link in an answer to unrelated questions
 
@Magisch I don't think both are spam
 
very obviously just spam
 
3:14 PM
I think it was answering the questions. Just overly promotional.
There was attribution.
 
Yeah. Spam flags have a bad bearing on the user
 
IMO, this is very obviously spam and he has only posted this spam
so as far as im concerned this user is a spammer
 
No. The user has a good Network profile.
 
@Tunaki "You don't need to flag duplicate answers unless they are at least a few days old." - Martijn Pieters♦ .... there goes NATO. bye bye
 
@BhargavRao You sure? Shows 1 rep no answers on all sites hes reg'd on
 
3:16 PM
@Magisch For you but please discuss before reporting to Smokey.
 
I have delv-voted the alive ans.
 
@Tunaki alright
 
It should be the last resort.
 
3:18 PM
@BhargavRao This seems to be the only legit post
 
That user isn't just blatantly a spammer, he's a cross network spammer too
 
True. Spammers DONT leave behind legit posts at all.
 
A simple comment about being overly promotional was enough IMO.
I even one an auto-comment for that.
 
a user that posted one semi-useful post and then turned full I will self promote on every question I see
 
3:19 PM
It is enthusiastic self promotion from a user with a network profile. it a coin toss on what to do. I left comment. In a case like this I would mod flag and explain. let them decide how to handle the user.
 
Now that spam.
 
Wow, NATO is terrible today. I just flagged 70 answers - and I was being cautious... My eyes are broken now.
 
@EricD. Flagged 100, as usual...
 
Wow, NATO has become famous
 
@Tunaki sigh...
 
3:20 PM
@Tuna What have ye done?
 
Waffles
 
Almost, waffles.
abusive pls
Curse you and your ninja powers @Tunaki
 
At least that user had the time to say "Sorry im mad cos im bad at python" in the comments
 
Its crazy how some spam here lives less then 30s
 
@Magisch Still 29s too long
 
3:23 PM
some lives 3 years
not sure that was conjugated too well
 
Drop the s on "lives"
I think
 
some lives 3 year
 
><
 
wrong s
 
somes lives 3 years
 
3:25 PM
@Tunaki I still think this golden guy is a cross network spammer, but I will wait in future before smoke-nuking them
 
@Magisch Well, best option is always to comment first
 
@Magisch A simple "Do we report?" suffice IMO
We can handle things directly in this room without blacklisting the user completely
 
@Drew Use 1. instead of 1) in your answer.
 
@BhargavRao Pedant.
 
I'm afraid to touch it. Would leave the impression I care.
 
3:26 PM
But I thought the same thing.
@Drew @Mogs Take a look at this guy: stackoverflow.com/users/775948/ronapelbaum A lot of answers link to his blog
commented on the last one
 
@Tunaki the only way to live
 
I didn't even know you could have your own jsfiddle. Like jsfiddle.net/myawesomeusername
 
@Tunaki I'd cusflag but too bored to do that today. Quite tired :/
@Tunaki You need to have an account there.
 
@Tunaki I'm stealing that comment
 
@Kyll Sending lawyers.
 
3:31 PM
Waffle, waffle all of you!
 
Sam
lol
 
@Sam How to make SD give notification to me in one separate room?
 
@Tunaki yes, you can save public and private fiddles as well
 
I remember the day ---> i.stack.imgur.com/4U0Q7.png
2
 
Sam
@PraveenKumar I don't think you can.
 
3:31 PM
I tried !!/notify <diff room> stackoverflow.com
 
it's annoying though because you can't have anonymous fiddles unless you log out
 
@Sam Oh... What other way?
 
I would love the option to mark a fiddle as anonymous while logged in
 
@PraveenKumar Create a new room, Install Smokey there ... \o/
 
Any userscript to alert or auto flag? :P
 
Sam
3:32 PM
@PraveenKumar Afaik, you can only be notified in the rooms SD lives in.
 
I feel bad for the guy. Not much traction on JS answers. Not feeling the love, he goes with a new strategy. Gets crapped on
 
@BhargavRao Yo! Created a new room, but smokey doesn't run there. LoL.
@Sam How to ask her to come and live in this room too? :)
 
Sam
@PraveenKumar You've gotta ask @Pro or @Undo.
 
@Pro who?
Fox?
 
Sam
Yes.
 
3:33 PM
Right!!!
 
@Kyll Actually, you can thank a user called Xavi Lopez. He's the one that gave them to me.
 
@PraveenKumar What other room?
 
@Tunaki Which comment?
 
@Undo Room ID: 104986 - SD should ping me.
 
@BhargavRao All my new auto-comments.
 
3:34 PM
Coz people are getting annoyed seeing my name...
 
No, that's not going to happen. We can't afford to be adding personal rooms that only one person cares about; too much overhead.
 
I loved his and asked if I could use them.
 
@Tunaki I'll make sure to do that if he ever passes by
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad I merged the two scripts
 
I invited him several times already :D apparently chat doesn't work where he works...
 
3:35 PM
@Tunaki Dangit
 
user4639281
Tag, lulz
 
atg --- Pronounced as Attag is a varied form of Attack ... Meaning, Attack now and CV please
 
user4639281
Damn autocorrect
 
@TinyGiant that is teh typo.. :)
 
@Undo :D :D
@Undo Is there any userscript at least that does this?
 
@BhargavRao sure...doubts?
 
@BhargavRao I would think so. That's obviously not related to programming at all.
 
@BhargavRao Flag! Flag em' all!
 
@ryanyuyu Seems like a great answer to me (NOT).
 
@PraveenKumar Have you been drinking copious amounts of coffee again? :p
 
Sam
3:39 PM
It is the answer to all his problems... — Patrick 31 secs ago
Lol
 
@JonClements Well, starving. :D
 
Sam
Annnd it's gone.
 
Hi @Jon o/
 
Wanted to comment "Remember, we hate fun here".
Hiya @Jon o/
 
Why guys, why, could have just flagged na! :P
 
3:40 PM
He saw that by himself....
 
@Tunaki You can edit the comment. :D
 
@Tunaki 'We hat fun' fixage.
 
@Tunaki We hat fun here
 
@NathanOliver -1 for being dupe
 
@PraveenKumar edited comment
Wait
 
3:40 PM
@kayess :P
 
@Tunaki Gr8!!!! :D
 
There's a vote to undelete.
 
@Tunaki Noooooooooo!
@JonClements ^ Deal him! :P
LoL.
 
oh great
I voted as spam so now it will be decline dprobably
 
3:41 PM
@JonClements Repeat offender: stackoverflow.com/users/5986483/patrick
 
@TylerH It wont be. Deleted now
 
@TylerH he deleted... maximum disputed---
 
thanks
 
Shouldn't the user just be deleted?
 
3:42 PM
@PraveenKumar Valid, albeit low quality, answer.
The question can go, though
 
@Undo Wow... Valid? Wow.
 
screenshot for me?
 
Does it attempt to answer the question? Yes/no
@TylerH
 
opinionated answer, VLQ
 
Waffles
 
3:44 PM
one box is fine, screw the police
4
 
Hmm.. not sure what ' __ / \ / \ | | suck it' means, though it's possible that the OP is not happy with my comments on his/her rubbish question:)
 
Who the heck is voting to undelete thoses posts? stackoverflow.com/questions/5937502/…
 
@TylerH screw the flower
 
@Tunaki Probably the OP.
 
one box is fine, it relates directly to on-topic discussion.
 
3:44 PM
I leave so. many. comments to people trying to delete stuff from LQP.
 
@Tunaki The OP?
 
It's a little ridiculous.
 
@Undo You mean it's a sock-puppet of a 20k+ guy
 
@Tunaki No, I mean the post owner can always vote to undelete their post.
 
Didn't know that.
 
3:45 PM
@Tunaki We can find out. Let's undelv now and delv again.
 
Link to Google Drive. Comment and move on? stackoverflow.com/a/35727193/1743880
 
@Tunaki That's link only / VLQ
 
There's a second one. Pointing to the same Drive file.
 
@TinyGiant Caught that later in the transcript. Thanks!
 
3:55 PM
@Kyll lol "politically correct" Kyll. Politically correct.
 
@Kyll <insert celery joke here>
 
Oh hey @ryanyuyu! Thanks for the edit =D
 
no problem, yo
 
@Tushar wat
@Tunaki [tag-typo]
 
3:58 PM
The person who asked question voted to close it.
 
Waffle
 
@Tushar You can vtc your own posts even with <3k rep?
 
@Tushar How was there not a dupe for that?
@Kyll 250 rep to vtc and reopen your own Q's
 
@Kyll yes
 
@NathanOliver Didn't find
 
3:59 PM
Oh, nice
 
I mean, he could delete that, right?
 
@Tushar Not with the answers
 

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