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12:01 PM
@Ferrybig sure, I'm just angry at myself for raising a flag for no good reason, essentially generating unnecessary work for others
 
what kind of flag?
 
maybe there should be a way to decline your own flags
 
@AndrasDeak Oh, it's quite alright
It's not you we're mad about
 
It's the other hundreds or thousands of users who do it daily without being aware of the noise they produce :)
Your flags we still want. It's fine.
 
12:02 PM
I first thought that's more like a comment, plus that signature and email raised some flags for me. But reading the question I realized it is an answer: "you can't do it"
 
@AndrasDeak I have raised a rude flag in the very past (2012) because I thought "it is rude to submit a answer that tells the same as a other answer"
 
I hope I'm not in those users because I literaly raise 100 flags every day
 
@MadaraUchiha thank you:) I try to be a useful part of the community
@Ferrybig yeah, sure, but you didn't know better
now I've made up my mind in 2 minutes, and I feel less than helpful
@MadaraUchiha do you think it would make sense to be able to self-decline our flags?
it would prevent abusing these "cancellations", since they would count as declines
it would just prevent mods or community bothering with a flag which you realize is not necessary
 
If there are more recommend deletions than looks ok, even if the post goes into a "looks ok" state, you flag will be disputed
 
@Ferrybig as I said, my main concern is others having to do extra work because of my flag
 
12:04 PM
@AndrasDeak Maybe, but I don't think it would happen under the current system
 
@MadaraUchiha I see, thanks. Then I won't suggest the idea on meta:)
 
@AndrasDeak Oh no, you can definitely suggest it.
Even if it won't be implemented in the current system
There's no telling what'd happen in the future
Plus, if it gets enough support, it might prove me wrong
 
For the record, does "current system" refer to software, or a political one?
I might do that, then. I'll have to look around, most of these ideas have usually been suggested years ago
 
That user is a cross site spammer....
Just waiting for @MadaraUchiha to nuke the post.... :)
 
> more than 25 comments posted in the past 3 days
^ there's an auto flag for that? Hmm I think I passed that threshold multiple times...
 
12:08 PM
wat, really?
 
14
Q: What flags are automatically raised by the system?

ChrisFI recently had a flag declined. The moderator said it was the same as an automatically-raised flag, and therefore I was wasting my flag, my time, and the moderators' time in flagging it again. However, I didn't know this. What are the flags that the system automatically raises? When are these f...

 
Honestly, getting a declined flag for that is really bad
 
hey, new faq!
can we downvote a faq?:D
 
Simply getting a helpful - an automatic flag was already raised, thank you (see [post link]) would be enough
 
or even disputed
but I know that's not part of the current UI
Should we add to the CW question "which mods abide by these rules?"?
 
12:12 PM
It's sort of like getting a declined flag because "someone said in chat they already raised one, stay informed"
 
yup
 
@MadaraUchiha Sorry for the ping, but how is an additional moderator flag wasting your time? Do you have some extra steps before you can clear it? I thought there was some kind of "all helpful" button or something.
 
@Kyll We can filter by flag type
Raising custom flags in addition to the system ones makes filtering less effective
We need the following aliases to "gone": g, rekt, nuked, dunked on
 
You didn't want to see some cricket Madara? Too bad :D
 
@Tunaki I've seen my fair share.
 
12:17 PM
@Ed o/
 
Plop Ed and Drew!
 
sd nuked sounds nice
 
@Tunaki geeeeetttttt dunked on!
If you aren't familiar with that, go and play Undertale right now.
 
kapow, g, madarad, boom, r3kt
 
I'm not familiar with that =(
 
12:20 PM
Undertale is an amazing game
 
@Tunaki Go and play Undertale right now.
Don't look it up. Don't watch anything on YouTube or look for information online.
 
@MadaraUchiha or get smitten @Tunaki
 
Just go and play the game.
 
I don't get why kids these days go watch Let's Plays and whatnot before playing
It's like advising someone to read a book and they ask someone else to tell them the story
 
@Kyll It works well for games that aren't story heavy
 
12:23 PM
Why not? I used to like watching my friends play.
 
You can judge whether you want the game based on the features/graphics/etc
Also, there are often games that I feel like they'd be fun to watch, not so fun to play.
Watching is a more passive experience.
 
A game isn't judged by its graphics.
 
But Undertale is different.
You can't experience it passively.
You must experience it by actively doing everything yourself.
 
Yeah, some games are really not fun until you learn how to actually get around in them. Watching someone else do it reduces the learning curve.
 
Hey people
 
12:24 PM
Also that ^^
 
What did I walk into?
 
@Magisch Undertale.
Go play it.
 
A wall?
 
@MadaraUchiha I have
already
 
@Magisch All of it? cc @Kyll
You know what I mean.
 
12:25 PM
@MadaraUchiha Went N and P. Not G.
 
Also no spoilers please, others in the room haven't played yet.
 
I'm being very spoiler-free there
 
@Kyll Weak :P
 
Let me guess. Undertale is the tale of the underworld.
 
@Tunaki Very good!
 
12:26 PM
@MadaraUchiha Nah, I cracked the thing and decided to 100% it when I'll get it on Steam
 
\o/
 
You're wrong :D
 
...
 
You are :D
 
SO I think I have played all of it
 
12:26 PM
@Magisch shhhhhhhhh
Dangit smiley face
 
@Magisch no spoilers please
 
Sorry
But yes, I have played it
 
Undertale sounds like a morbid OBGYN game
 
OBGYN?
 
user3956566
@Ferrybig thanks Ferry! :D
 
12:27 PM
> obgyn
Obstetrics and gynaecology are the two surgical–medical specialties dealing with the female reproductive organs in their pregnant and non-pregnant state, respectively, and as such are often combined to form a single medical specialty and postgraduate training programme. ...
wat
 
Undertale is.... well undertale, even.
There isn't really a game like it
 
Maybe Undertale 2?
 
I think the review that best captures the game is: "The puzzles aren't that great. 10/10"
 
Oh it's a puzzle game? Or a game with puzzle?
 
user3956566
 
12:28 PM
@Tunaki Well, there are puzzles in it.
 
@Tunaki It's a context-driven game. Play it and shaddup. :)
 
Stop trying to probe us about the game, and go play it.
 
user3956566
ah we talking about the dating game?
 
yeah @Tunaki go play:P
 
computer game?
 
12:29 PM
@MsYvette Well, there's dating in it :D
 
or whatever floats your goat
 
It entered my top 3 of all times, that's not an easy list to get into.
 
@MsYvette Hey Girl. Come here often?
 
@MadaraUchiha stop feeding the information vampire;)
 
I can't play games on a computer when there's more than 4 buttons to press
 
5 sounds reasonable.
 
user3956566
@Drew heheh Yeh I do, how sad is that?
 
@Tunaki Just go and play. Seriously.
Tell me how it was once you finish it.
 
@MadaraUchiha Did you look at slime rancher?
 
user3956566
give me a link?
 
12:31 PM
I'll download it tonight then.
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha ^^
 
Guess what question got deleted and undeleted again... stackoverflow.com/questions/35185374/…
 
user3956566
undertale??
 
@MsYvette Undertale. By Toby Fox.
 
12:32 PM
@MadaraUchiha: Can you please lock that? (Imho, preferably deleted)
 
user3956566
ok I'm doing my blimp attack game
 
@Cerbrus It took another round.
And there's a delete-vote on it.
 
@Cerbrus Why deleting it?
 
It's not salvage-able
Not with the meta attention it's gotten
 
12:33 PM
More precisely: is it possible to stop the deletion / undeletion madness?
 
Only by locking it
 
@MsYvette unionplatform.com/?page_id=1229 pong you and me
 
Which, afaik, prevents further answers / votes, as well.
 
@MadaraUchiha It got a massive amount of meta attention and drive by down/upvotes (downvotes mostly because OP tried to delete the question after getting it answered)
I raised a mod flag on it asking for a content dispute lock
maybe that'll help
 
user3956566
@Drew are we playing?
 
12:34 PM
it's a delete dispure lock.
 
yes. arrow keys
 
This question isn't worth the time and effort people spend on trying to have it gone or ungone
 
The only reason not to delete that, is because the OP wanted to delete it when he got the answer
Okay, it's locked now. So, now what?
 
user3956566
who made it?
 
I have no idea
 
12:36 PM
@Cerbrus It's a decent- answer with a decent+ answer
 
user3956566
I am making a blimp bomb game
 
@Cerbrus Just let it go into the void of obscurity I think
 
Don't see a reason why to delete it.
 
user3956566
and am now just working out how to march out more blimps
 
It's an obvious dupe that adds no value to the site.
 
user3956566
12:36 PM
ok I'll beback, need to make more blimps
 
The answer is better off being posted on the original question
 
@Cerbrus Now @Cerbrus, I think it's time to go Meta and ask what the community wants.
 
But then again, the original already has a answer that's at least just as good.
So I really see no reason to keep a controversy like that around.
 
Why again are we spending effort on this? Its not worth it
just let it slip into the void as it deserves
 
Then it'll be another question that keeps popping up every now and then
 
12:39 PM
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Q: HTML, JAVASCRIPT and support only IE

GAURAVGKARThere is this web application which build using C# MVC concept. I want user to use this application only in IE browser, so can anybody suggest me what changes i should make and where?

Companies who do that need to die.
 
@MadaraUchiha German central bank does this
 
@MadaraUchiha Maybe it's because of an internal security policy around IE or whatever
 
@Magisch Die.
 
Mandated IE for all work stations (no other browsers allowed)
 
@Kyll Die.
 
12:40 PM
I no longer work there
 
ALL MUST DIE
6
 
@MadaraUchiha Which colour? runs away
 
In my current workplace we have chrome or firefox, what we want
 
The question has been deleted and undeleted 5 times. That's a heck of a lot. It means 30 differents 10k+ users participated in the cycle.
 
ironically, the company does not permit IE
 
12:40 PM
@Magisch Long live? =p
 
Then again, the central bank (where I used to work) also permits only Java for Webapps
nothing but Java
 
@Tunaki Delete-voting once doesn't lock you out in a later round
 
@Cerbrus Oh?
 
@Tunaki Unlike close votes which are once per user per question, you can vote to delete (or undelete) the same question multiple times.
 
I just don't get the drive to keep that mess around.
 
12:43 PM
Hell I think I've never done that. Not that I had the chance anyway.
 
Get rid of it, be done with it, imo
 
You cannot regularly use the words "security policy" and "IE" in the same sentence unless its something like "Due to our security policy, we do not permit IE"
2s of google and I found a completly exact dupe
how does he even manage to find and ask on this site without finding that dupe
And obviously, someone answers it immideatly
and no only that, a answer that has nothing to do with the Q, even
 
@Magisch And is now deleted
 
FAQ proposed aren't featured?
 
@Kyll And another answer has appeared
from a 1400 user even
 
12:47 PM
Morning
 
Sam
Hiya
 
Plop!
 
user3956566
how has this got 2 votes an offer to work for free????? what is going wrong with this place?
 
@NathanOliver Hiya o/
 
user3956566
HI!!
 
12:49 PM
How are things going?
 
@NathanOliver Was barely an hour late. Worth it.
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/35723140/… Bit confused what needs to happen here. The answer seems NAA as it is just an alternative commercial product recommendation, to start with.
 
@Kyll nice. we got the rocket silo going. just need to get some more automation to make it faster
 
Launched a rocket yet?
 
user3956566
@Gimby nothing you can do, except downvote, as it's an answer. Better to close down the question and delete it as off topic, no mvc
 
12:51 PM
@Kyll No.
 
@MsYvette There isn't much of an MVCE to provide when its not about code but about tooling
 
@NathanOliver Well, the goal isn't to launch a rocket. It's to launch a rocket every five minutes
 
user3956566
", how do I know what class I should keep?" shows no mvc
 
@Kyll lol. we are working on it :P
 
Well downvoted at least. Moving along!
 
12:54 PM
The map is so large it's going to take 90 seconds to connect now
 
Going to try and stuff up my MK2
 
@Kyll Factorio?
 
@MadaraUchiha :)
 
Bob's mods?
 
12:55 PM
You're way more than welcome to play with us!
Not yet, we've introduced Nathan to it first
 
I bought factorio like a long while ago
 
Sounds like fun, give me a ping when you play
 
@MadaraUchiha o/
How are you man?
 
if one can change the email on that account somehow I'd be willing to give it away
 
@PraveenKumar Good, you?
 
12:56 PM
@MadaraUchiha Good too! :)
 
@gunr2171 would like to have more people playing, so feel free to join us on Factorio and TeamSpeak when we play!
 
@MadaraUchiha Reason to get annoyed: stackoverflow.com/q/35723400/462627
 
Only issue is that due to the way Factorio works if someone with a slow network connects they're going to slow down everyone
 
LoL...
 
@Cerbrus it would appear with all that roller coaster on that question you reference a while ago, and the content useful, it is frozen open now
 
12:59 PM
@Kyll Yup, because sync
 
@Drew I know. I asked madara to lock it.
 
k
 
ah, there's a freeze open status?
 
@AaronHall Locking is independent from closing/deleting
 
@AaronHall well, if it's locked, it's stuck, isn't it?
 
1:06 PM
A question can be locked in any state.
 
neat
 
Thanks for locking it down @MadaraUchiha
 
@joe was unsure about it. You may close or delete !! — Rocoder 14 mins ago
Dont mind if I do
 
Does anyone know if suggested edits get cleared from deleted post?
 
I don't think they do
But that's just a guess
 
1:18 PM
@NathanOliver do you mean 'are pending ones cleared automatically', or 'are suggested edits for deleted posts still visible'?
 
@WaiHaLee The first way. I know I cannot view them.
 
@MadaraUchiha Woah, you saw this: youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg. Ha ha... Hilarious... :D
 
@PraveenKumar −1 didn't try to rickroll mod.
 
@Tunaki What???
 
1:22 PM
@NathanOliver The best I can find is this comment by Cody Gray from 2011.
> I suspect that the pending edit is removed from the queue.
 
@PraveenKumar Yeah, and I have rebuttals against most of the arguments against nodejs there
Because both of the sides are a bit misinformed here
But meh
 
@MadaraUchiha The last part... I am laughing at the office... LoL...
Right... Agreed.
 
You are the reason we're not all writing in Lisp right now
 
@MadaraUchiha Did you say Lisp? :P Ha ha ha..
 
@WaiHaLee Thanks
 
1:26 PM
@PraveenKumar yeah no, I like my audio not disgusting in my ears
 
@Kyll Ha ha ha...
 
@MadaraUchiha "Both sides are a bit misinformed here" - Human discourse in a nutshell
 
morning!
 
Sam
Hey
 
1:31 PM
@gunr2171 Hiya o/
 
Plop gunr! We might have a ninja on Factorio soon
 
oh boy
 
60 pending flags. Get to work.
 
@Tunaki If only it were just 60
 
user3956566
1:35 PM
there's about 14 pending reopen posts in the queue
 
I want to say something but the "be nice" policy is holding me back
 
@MadaraUchiha The CM team pick their poison. They could always get more mods.
 
@Magisch Meh, more mods doesn't scale well
 
@MadaraUchiha Why that?
 
1:36 PM
We're at a point where communications between mods is going to get more difficult if we add more and more mods to the team
 
Filter by "raised by Tunaki" and click "mark all helpful" :D
 
Too much context to remember divided by too many people
 
Im not sure 15 people is anywhere close to that point
 
The system needs to make flag handling easier, or offload some of the work back to the community (like the various queues)
 
if you had like 300 mods I would maybe think that that would be an issue
Try to get something to change here and you'll see how quickly and devastatingly the inherent inertia will hit you
 
1:37 PM
@MadaraUchiha Is there a reason for mods to get involved in VLQ/NAA flags?
 
@Tunaki Not really.
 
many users don't want change, and simply not having an overwhelming support means any change you suggest has no chance
 
Vast majority of the cases it's downvote and move along
 
I assumed it was because there were too much that the queue can handle.
 
@Tunaki The VLQ is the most vague and misused flag there is.
 
1:38 PM
The scaleablility of alot of tools on here is limited
review queues beeing one of them
Getting people to enjoy volunteering their time reviewing if you badger them with audits and provide no incentive other then getting to keep the site a tiny bit cleaner.
 
I often feel like a VLQ should directly map to downvote (optionally with a delete vote if the user is high enough rep) and that's it
@Magisch Right
 
I dont know, if I complete 20 reviews it feels more like "I managed to avoid an audit ban today" and less like "I feel fulfilled because I changed something"
The system doesn't trust me, and it makes that abundantly clear
 
@Magisch Would you trust you? :P
 
Sam
@Magisch For me, it's more like, "You helped fend off robo reviewers; by just a tiny bit."
 
It feels like making a website for free for someone and then them yelling at you because they don't like the color.
@Cerbrus I would. I know im not a robo reviewer. I make mistakes from time to time but I'd like to think that the rate is low. And annoying me with rate caps and audits isn't gonna make me make less mistake, its just going to make me want to review less in total
 
user3956566
 
@Magisch I can only agree there
 
@MsYvette Well written.
 
I've brought this up before, but unfortunately meta is nowhere near on my side there
@MsYvette The downvoted answer in that Q is a terrible idea, but yours looks ok
 
user3956566
@zondo thnx
 
user3956566
1:48 PM
@Magisch yeh I wasn't keen on that
 
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Q: Where to report perpetual energy

Wolfpack'08The question says it all. I don't know what else to do but ask my friends here and hope nobody kills me for finding it. Love you guys. Please, don't take me out. {Edit pending: 1:43 a.m. (CHROME) pst} {Edit continued: D

 
user3956566
my internet was slow.. just now
 
I suggest squelching that perpetual energy report.
 
@tchrist What IS that?
 
Good question.
 
1:50 PM
Not just what-is-it-asking, but what IS that?
 
Unlike that posting.
Various theories, but they won't alter the closability.
 
That...
Is a question that's just gonna be deleted
 
Im more curious as to what compelled OP to ask that
 
A specific sense of humour
 
Does he think he found a way to violate the second law of thermodynamics or what? Why on a programmer QA site?
 
1:52 PM
morning. that's an impressively off-topic question. I don't think I've seen a worse (non-spam) question in a while.
 
I think its worse then spam on the on-topic front
At least I can kind of discern what the purpose of spam is
Was this guy's account hacked? He has 1.4k rep...
 
sd remove-link-only
 
@SmokeDetector Not sure if spam/malware or just self promotion
not willing to check
 
@Magisch just what I was thinking
 
@Magisch That's a fair question.
 
1:58 PM
@tchrist I raised a modflag on it
 
Why isn't that deleted yet? o.O
 
@Cerbrus Its not spam or abusive its just .... deeply off topic
 
So why not delete it?
It's junk
 
@Cerbrus find 3 20kers
 

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