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6:00 PM
@Jhawins at this point, experience counts more than a degree
 
I was looking up software used in airplanes and got into the GUI that the pilots used and found some that were like widgets using XML. I need to investigate further though.
 
A degree helps you get your foot in the door. Beyond that, a demonstration of skill kicks that door off the hinges
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@SterlingArcher pretty much
although if the economy takes a hit, you'll see a lot more cherry-picking
 
The most important thing, to me, about a college education for programming is that it teaches you two things: (a) Asymptotic time complexity, and (b) how to learn programming.
 
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@SterlingArcher For sure.
 
6:02 PM
@ShotgunNinja It does not.
 
A bachelor's degree is the new high school diploma which is why it doesn't carry as much weight as it used to, but the jump between a master's and bachelor's would make it worthwhile.
 
I considered going for my masters, but a security clearance would do me just as well
 
@ssube Well, a good programming degree should.
Whether or not any actually accomplish that is widely varied.
 
!!afk gotta get work done
 
It teaches you how to blindly follow instructions
 
6:03 PM
if I had a dollar for every comp sci degree holder I've encountered who was completely incompetent, I'd definitely have some dollars
 
Without regard for personal well being or critical thinking
 
I have ten years experience. I've never been told 'not having a degree' was an issue
and I've worked in job that "require a degree"
 
Honestly, I went to one of the oldest software engineering degree programs in the US, and that only accounted for maybe a year or two of usable experience.
 
If I had a dollar for every job candidate I've rejected because they had a degree but couldn't handle simple problems that aren't covered in school, I could buy a couple coffees or a super cheap hooker.
 
@rlemon I have but I think it was a negotiation tactic to get me to take less salary
 
6:04 PM
lol
 
Going to school teaches you concepts, but doesn't teach you working knowledge. It's impossible for curriculum to be up-to-date. Best getting into a a company and sucking them dry for your experience.
 
@SomeKittens oh, having a degree absolutely gets you a higher pay check
if I went to night school and got a shit degree, it would still get me 10-15k extra, just on principal
 
@AmericanSlime I lucked out then; my school gave me a live project to handle in a team of 5 students in junior year
 
principle
 
but then youd be 50k in debt
 
6:05 PM
Nothing like getting a grade based on how little the stakeholders yell at you
 
until universities offer "the next 5 years of half-assed javascript frameworks 101" I think self-learning is more important
 
@KendallFrey I'll show you a prince up your pole
 
@ssube I live in FantasyLand, remember?
 
@SomeKittens and a degree getting you an instant raise is a bullshit game, so it goes double out there, right?
 
Having said all that, I wish I had my degree lol.
 
6:07 PM
almost all of the junior-year SDL projects and senior-year Senior Design projects are actual business contracts between the school and outside companies, at my alma mater.
 
@ssube nah, it's double or nothing, degrees are nothing unless MIT or Stanford, then they're double.
 
the ones that aren't are usually internal applications for the school itself
 
I wish I didn't bother going to school for 2 years. Waste of time, I could have been working on real-life projects gaining valuable experience
 
"Where did you go to school?" "Nowhere, self-taught". That comes up at least once a week for me. Most people are impressed by it, but it's really no biggie.
 
@AmericanSlime right?
 
6:07 PM
so for as much wasted bullshit as we learned in Java 1 and Java 2, we made up for it by being dumped on two real-world projects with no experience.
 
@SomeKittens pretty much
 
those who can't swim, drown
 
any time it comes up with execs at happy hour, they're always like "omg, you taught yourself? You crazy internet kids these days. Look at your hoodie and vans, you'll start some important company one day."
jokes on them, though. I don't play that being in charge of things game.
 
Academia is not my thing. I can't stand the setting nor structure. Having a professor telling me what I'm going to learn and at what rate I'm expected to learn it is so fuckin' stupid. No thank you, I'm going to teach myself the necessities and build from that. To echo what the other person said, self-learning is very important and never ends.
 
@AmericanSlime I agree with this and I went to a 4-year college, and I have a B.S.S.E.
I also taught myself a fair amount of programming all through high school
and I'm still teaching myself new things
 
6:11 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum ??
 
omfg
learning, it's cool
we all try not to, but we do anyways
we get it
 
TIL learning is fun!
 
@rlemon that's a damn dirty lie
 
learning is fun, unless it's forced upon you
 
everything is fun until it is forced upon you
 
6:12 PM
@nderscore you could make the same argument about french fries
 
What if your safe-word was stop?
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
BDSM is not 'forced' per say
 
@AmericanSlime When no safe word is agreed upon ahead of time, that's the case.
 
you are a willing participant
 
6:14 PM
per se
 
no, per say
 
I don't know much Latin per se, just those two words.
 
purse hay
 
I make my own rules and words
 
6:14 PM
@rlemon I think that makes you a "Dynamic Startup Information Architect"
 
@rlemon This is an English only chat room. Made up words make a made up language and are therefore not welcome.
 
oh snap
wiggity wiggity wack
 
@ShotgunNinja kickban kthxbai
 
you just got Frey'd
 
6:17 PM
@KendallFrey all words are made up
 
dammit I was hoping that wouldn't come up
 
@rlemon what about those words that are just the sound of a real thing?
like "splat"
that's not made up, it actually happens
 
Onomatopoeias, you mean.
 
We made up a word to represent a sound
 
@ssube that's just the way your eardrums transmit it to your brain. It is possible that some other being interprets it differently.
 
6:18 PM
@Retsam Gross dude. I have no interest in where you put your poeias.
 
@KendallFrey you're made up
 
@ssube It's, like, a free country, man.
 
@KendallFrey I'm going to stab you in the fucking eye socket.
 
6:19 PM
@Retsam I didn't tell you where you could put them, just that I don't want to know.
 
@KendallFrey I am so tempted to bin that, but... mobile.
 
@Trasiva Wearing a purple shirt?
 
Whoa, whoa. When the hell did Anal Greg get RO?
 
also, whoever said we can't edit on mobile? I see the option to edit last message here
 
@KendallFrey Cameo, that way you never see it coming.
 
6:20 PM
I hate that my object that tracks state is called 'state'.
 
Lol
 
@Trasiva Cameos aren't invisible, they just don't make sense.
 
@AmericanSlime do like Canadia and call it province?
 
6:21 PM
Aug 5 '14 at 14:36, by Gordon
@NickDugger You've been flagged multiple times for calling a user "anal greg". Numerous people, including the user himself, asked you to stop it. So please stop it. Once and for all. Thanks.
 
there is replying as well :/ the mobile interface seems to have all the options
 
I thought we stopped the "anal greg" thing
 
@ssube Sure they do, you just have to utilize the appropriate cameo.
Did we? I didn't get the memo.
 
Maybe we should have a meeting about it.
 
@Trasiva Do you really need a memo about that?
 
6:22 PM
you gotta read the chat lof from 2014 for that memo.
 
oh jesus, that's actually rather funny, but I can totally see how that would offend someone
 
I've been tasked at work with creating a flexbox tabular layout with IE9 display: table fallback. It's really fun
 
Kendall's mom is still fair game, though
 
@Luggage kendall's mom is overused at this point
 
@ssube Well, considering it was a thing when I started coming to this room? Probably.
 
6:23 PM
somebody should get her a big gulp
 
Kendall never asked us to stop, Awal did.
 
Hotdog down a subway tunnel, if you know what I mean.
 
@rlemon that;s my point :)
 
Yesterday I asked for a tl;dr on what shadow dom was and someone said it's hidden elements, but I wanted to ask hidden from what?
 
@rlemon I've seriously never seen him say stop. Had he, I would, but since it's been brought up, I still will.
 
6:23 PM
I am deeply offended when people refer to me as a travel accessory.
 
@Luggage Okay suitcase
 
@AmericanSlime from all the normal things that affect elements.
 
@Luggage do you prefer "carry on" ??
 
@Luggage Yeah, you have to pay for your own seat on the plane. You aren't an accessory.
 
lol
 
6:25 PM
@AmericanSlime did tou read the HTML5 rocks aerticel I posted? I think I posted it, at least..
 
If you did, I missed the link...please repost.
 
It starts talking about custom elements, but then goes into Shadow DOM further down (they work together)
 
Thank you sir, will definitely read.
 
@rlemon Well, it's only funny the first 100 times
 
It has a link to: html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webcomponents/shadowdom which is more on-topic (fixed)
 
6:27 PM
/me back on desktop
 
yay, built my new PC and it only took 4 hours
I had to jury rig some shit to get the water cooler to fit on the front of the machine, but it's nice with a small overclock. The amount of settings on my mobo is nuts. It has an "auto overclock" mode, it's pretty cool
 
@KendallFrey Yea, but it still has some life left in it.
 
those don't really need stars.
 
unstarred
 
googling for "shadow dom" shouldn't get me a star. :)
 
6:31 PM
Oh my bad, didn't know they were public. I removed.
 
in Lounge<C++>, 48 secs ago, by fredoverflow
Are you guys seriously benchmarking C++ vs JavaScript for efficiency?
worlds are colliding
 
Wait, what?
 
V8 and Spidermonkey are not much far away from gcc. But then... gcc is slow
 
@AwalGarg gcc is painfully slow
it's been the slowest of the three big compilers for close to a decade now
 
yeah
 
6:32 PM
ICC has always been the fastest and I don't know of MSVC or Clang is second anymore
however, ICC occasionally does weird stuff and some code just won't build on it
 
any code with a prime number of semi-colons.
 
@rlemon wat
that's exactly what we're talking about in work chat
 
I've made it a habit to put an empty line between all my lines. I didn't like the way my lines were touching, but I'd be damned if it doubled the length.
 
@Luggage honestly wouldn't surprise me
 
6:33 PM
So can someone clarify something from lounge? Is Elyse over there like...a living, breathing version of Tumblr?
 
!!afk getting keyboard replaced
 
@SomeKittens heh, such title bait
 
sounds like @SterlingArcher too.
 
crl
oh GH is fabulous, I do my PR only from their sites now, I'm lazy I knw
 
@BadgerCat what the fuck was that eel?
 
6:36 PM
que?
@Nick you got that too?
 
@Nick we bought it
 
new PC V
 
ew; why?
 
get your tower off the floor dude
 
6:37 PM
@BadgerCat you bought an eel?
 
@BadgerCat put it in water and keep it as a pet
 
your pc looks like an air conditioner
 
@BadgerCat For eating?
 
my tower is on the floor. too damn big for the desk.
 
tower on floor === crapshoot if your place floods or a pipe bursts or god forbid you spill something
 
6:38 PM
@Codeman nice, you got the new monitor
 
@nick it's incredible. The 144Hz is 100% worth it
 
at the very least prop it up with some wood or something
 
if it fills up the basement, i'm fucked anyway.
 
We already ate half of it
 
@rlemon my parents had that problem a few times, not with their PC though.
@BadgerCat keep the other half as a pet? that's a thing now, right?
 
6:38 PM
@rlemon 2nd story in a house in the mountains in California I think I'm good
 
and I've never spilled over 1 inch of beer.
 
@nick so if you spill a full beer all 18oz will just magically avoid your tower?
 
@BadgerCat Man, eel is fantastic when done right. Did you guys fry the skin?
 
carpet bitch
 
that is even worse
static dude!
 
6:39 PM
if my house floods, the PC is one of my last concerns.
 
tower on carpet is literally cancer
 
I do have my tower resting on a piece of wood
simply for air flow
 
ok good
 
@rlemon there's holes in my floor for cable and stuff and I live on a hill with 500ft of elevation... flooding is not a problem :P
 
I don't want the PSU sucking in carpet dust
 
6:40 PM
This chat grossly abuses the word "literally"
lol
 
@Trasiva It was smoked, so we ate it just like that
 
@SterlingArcher no, no we don't
 
@rlemon also there are no electronics on the floor except for the PSU which is up a few inches
 
with avocado
 
We literally do
 
6:40 PM
@SterlingArcher the melanoma on my arm was a direct result of his tower placement
 
@BadgerCat Nom
 
@nick I have hardwood floors throughout my entire house, no carpet dust here
 
PROVE ME WRONG!
 
> informal
> used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true.
 
@BadgerCat oh my god, it was foooooood
 
6:40 PM
@SterlingArcher I'm going to punch you in the vagina.
 
I thought you got an eel as a pet
@Trasiva :D
 
literally === figuratively now.
 
@SterlingArcher I don't think she'd be holding it out like that if it was a pet
 
literally literally means the opposite of literally.
 
@Nick YOU NEVER KNOW WITH BADGERS
 
6:41 PM
eels are so cute, I wish I had one as a pet
 
CANT TRUST EM
 
@rlemon you're not wrong, but I did think of those things. If I was still living in Michigan, it'd be different
unfortunately I don't have a shitload of space in my place so I had to buy a small desk
 
@Luggage lose the "itself" for another literal iteration of literally and you are gtg
 
@BadgerCat I want a pet leech
 
da fuq
 
6:42 PM
the biggest PITA in the entire build was getting the CPU cooler on
also I found out you can't share PCIe 8 pin rails :P I was getting restarts from that.
850W power supply, ho!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum, @MadaraUchiha hrngh, too late
 
I have a meeting in 20 minutes and I had something to present, but I forgot what the task was. :(
 
!!mess with zone files or hacky hosts
 
@BadgerCat Lap dance obviously.
 
!!afk Bro..
 
6:43 PM
@AwalGarg hacky hosts
 
@rlemon You did not.
 
@rlemon bro
 
Decision taken
 
@BadgerCat I have a meeting in 20 also :(
 
But I have nothing to present :(
 
6:44 PM
@FlorianMargaine Nowhere!
 
I have to stand up an environment I'm not familiar with inside a linux distro I've never used, using a DB schema I've never used
Yayyyy
 
Can a company get by selling custom software?
 
....
Does a bear shit in the woods?
 
I worded that poorly. A company selling custom software to small-medium sizes businesses...good or bad idea?
 
@BadgerCat Sing I'm a little tea pot. There, you presented!
 
6:48 PM
@Trasiva I think it was something like... normalize the data
 
@AmericanSlime I want to make a store which sells food to people who like a certain kind of food. A good or bad idea?
 
I'm not sure how badgers present .. But I dont think it is meeting appropriate
 
I think someone is mad... Very mad.
 
i've just checked pinnacle V mod for GTAV. That is a whopping 21GB file
 
@BadgerCat Normalize all the things!
 
6:51 PM
In other news, I can predict a recipe's cuisine category with 78% success
 
@AwalGarg run bind, do zones
 
Actually, that guy might've copy-pasted those points from rage blogs...
 
it's cleaner
@KarelG I wanted to play Destiny last weekend. Got it to start sunday night after two days of updates.
 
yeah, high res textures = a lot data. Even if you add a new world with standard textures, you need to download it
 
But the first place is at 82%
 
6:53 PM
@BadgerCat what are you predicting based on?
 
@BadgerCat i don't understand this statement
example ?
 
@ssube :(
 
It's a machine learning challenge
 
@Trasiva I did bro
I did
 
6:55 PM
http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/12/02/youre-game-doesnt-work/
CommitStrip
You’re game doesnt work!
CommitStrip
1449082238
 
My experience with small to medium sized businesses is that they could always use some custom software, typically one-off type things. I don't know if the SaaS model would work in this case, or even if a company specializing in custom software could ever be profitable due to development time and whatever pricing you might have. Thoughts?
 
!!afk meeting time
 
@Feeds sounds like your average SO user :D
> YOUR ANSWER DIDNT WORK WHEN I COPY AND PASTED IT IN! -1
 
So if they give me "Basil, tomato, oregano, onion, spaghetti", I should guess "Italian"
and so on
 
6:56 PM
@AmericanSlime They think they need custom, but they don't. They just don't understand the problem.
 
@BadgerCat Uh...that's clearly Chinese.
 
@Trasiva wat
 
@ssube That's a fair statement, and that's probably true most of the time. I'd imagine the solution is commercially available then? But then how would you make your money?
 
@ssube sarcasm intensifies
 
@FlorianMargaine yay, got code in node github.com/nodejs/node/commit/…
 
6:57 PM
@AmericanSlime saas or support contracts
 
@JonSkeet @Cerbrus DAMMIT! I CANT ARGUE IN COMMENTS WHEN YOU DELETE THE POST!
:(
MEANIES! STACK MODERATION *****'s /s
 
Yes! Let the rage flow through you!
Let it loose into this chat! Make our room famous with a exploding meta-thread!
 
@ssube Support contracts being what, like consulting? And can you do SaaS if it's going to be one-offs?
 

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