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1:00 PM
at Perl 6: "Definable grammars for pattern matching and generalized string processing"?
what the fuck?
grammars for pattern matching?
 
user1804599
Text patterns.
 
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Not Haskell pattern matching.
 
user1804599
The kind of thing regexes do.
 
oh it's not case analysis / pattern matching / discriminated union match kind of thing
I see
Ill try Perl6, thanks :P
 
user1804599
1:02 PM
#!/usr/bin/env perl6

constant SASS = $*KERNEL eq 'win32' ?? 'sass.bat' !! 'sass';
constant PULP = $*KERNEL eq 'win32' ?? 'pulp.cmd' !! 'pulp';

sub artefact(*@name --> IO::Path:D) {
    $*SPEC.catdir(<output final>, @name).IO;
}

artefact.mkdir;
run(SASS, <--precision 8 css/saftsators.scss>, artefact('saftsators.css'));
run(PULP, <browserify --to>, artefact('saftsators.js'));
 
user1804599
This was my first Perl 6 program.
 
ok I must admit it's a bit noisy
 
Man, I am watching this Black Ops 3 game play through. All this heads up display, see enemy through walls, have all enemies marked, etc... It seems way too easy. No hunting and running around looking with your own eyes for the enemies, no health bar to watch out for, no ammo conservation necessary, etc.
 
you're looking at an apple tree for pears
 
And at the end of the mission the dude gets like tens of "awards" for every little bit of achievement.
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth My second Perl 6 program: gist.github.com/rightfold/b47dc7b613ce481876ed
 
LOL, this site that I sold one of my apps is now selling data as well. I wonder how many users are like me, turned permission to view data off at apple & google, so all sales data are zeros.
 
next unless defined $isotope; is an excellent line ^^
 
reminds me to close account there
 
user1804599
I guess I should replace return Nil; by fail "bad parse";.
 
user1804599
1:09 PM
That way you get an exception if you don't handle the error.
 
Ven
hi y'all
 
user1804599
hi y'one
 
hi you
 
Ven
@ScarletAmaranth Perl 6 and APL both are amazing :). I installed a vim keyboard, but tryapl.org's keyboard is fine as well
 
Is it bad to nest your source code in directories?
Assuming the build system can handle either, which do you prefer?
A flat src/ directory? Or a directory that matches closely to the composition of the components?
I can't find any links that discuss the two approaches.
 
1:14 PM
Why would it be bad?
 
Ell
I use a flat src
And nested headers
 
user1804599
I prefer a huge directory of everything so that I can't easily see what exist and it's hard to find things.
 
Organized sources should always be preferred.
 
user1804599
I like to easily lose track of which module belongs to which subsystem.
 
@Ell Shitty build system?
 
1:16 PM
I am reading horror before hitting the bed again, but the current online novel is not very scary
 
I hate when projects don't have just one huge source file.
 
Some horrors are so good, they gave me nightmares :p
Not that I want nightmares
 
I don't think it is bad, but I have
Components/Generic/Electrial_Graph/Node
Components/Generic/Electrial_Graph/Vertex

And my coworker wants to put all the files under just components.
He says that every project he's ever worked on has been flat.
But it builds fine, so I don't understand the objection. We also already have a few sub directories, so our build system allows it, and we've already done it to a degree.
 
user1804599
Given many tools still lack recursive globbing (probably because they were designed by tools), putting everything in the same directory makes things easier.
 
opinions seem pretty mixed on this.
 
user1804599
1:19 PM
Hence you should avoid those tools whenever possible, and use something sane instead.
 
Nest, then yell at your tool makers if they don't handle nesting.
 
@TrevorHickey Some build systems crap out if you have two source files with the same name in different directories.
 
@TrevorHickey do you have a counter argument?
 
Visual Studio is one IIRC.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow do you still have that confx logo?
 
1:20 PM
They have put all object files in a flat directory, so the names clash all over.
 
so what you're saying is that MSVC is shit?
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow I observe implicit conversions confusing people not just in C. People think Scala methods are functions the same way they think C arrays are pointers.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I get the impression that your opinion of MSVC is slightly below average
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I feel (some) of your pain. I think I've only wanted to shout at it probably 30 times.
 
1:23 PM
Oct 6 at 14:28, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I just want to officially state that "FUCK YOU MSVC"
15 stars.
 
I was a bit impressed given all the hate msvc gets that they're the first to have modules
 
@AlexM. I bet they don't work.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I approve of this message.
 
heh
 
Like many of the other things they already claim they support.
 
1:24 PM
With Update 2 the compiler will support depression SFINAE
10
 
I mean sure, that's an average of once every three weeks since I started really working with it in June of last year...
 
They're still shipping buggiadics. They have no time to fix them while implementing all the nice marketing features like experimental modules.
 
Suicide Failure Is Not An Error
 
lol
 
user1804599
1:25 PM
Broccoli Is Not An Error
 
@Morwenn :D
 
user1804599
 
Jul 7 '14 at 15:15, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Xeo To be honest, it scares me that they have the brazenness to tick off "Inheriting ctors" in the roadmap already in the previous CTP and it can't even parse properly. I know this is C++ but this one isn't particularly though.
It's been like this since 2010.
 
user406009
Ah, would you look at that. Another, "Lalaland's ideas were good, but he is a jerk" comment.
 
"We support X!" cue more than five years and three major releases until it actually works ok.
 
1:27 PM
@Elyse lol
 
user406009
Well, at least I know what to work on.
 
@Lalaland even better ideas, clearly
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes tough*?
 
user406009
@jaggedSpire I blame the room.
 
user406009
Oh, Elim is here and alive :)
 
1:28 PM
@Lalaland But the Lounge is a paragon of civil discussion and kind interaction!
 
@TrevorHickey Link him to theflatearthsociety.org/cms ("all project I have worked on are flat" - sad story)
 
user1804599
High amount of professionalism in #lua.
 
user1804599
14:27 <      ttmrichter > You need a "fuck your mother" doll, rjek?
14:27 <            rjek > Have you met my mother?
14:29 <      ttmrichter > Dude.  Five bucks cheaper and I'd have been your father.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes good, now I can clear this internal parsing error dump :)
 
Ven
1:30 PM
@Elyse or that D's functions are delegates! hah!
 
@Elyse so... you dragging the highlights out and dumping them elsewhere makes you...
 
A Fox news reporter?
3
 
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@fredoverflow ah, found it.
 
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@ElimGarak Zing! Full score awarded. Yay
I missed you
 
1:31 PM
@ElimGarak needs more blatant untruths
 
user1804599
@sehe ...look smart.
 
user1804599
To appear smart, you must make other people appear dumb.
 
user406009
And this is why I blame the Lounge for all my social issues.
 
@Elyse who exactly are you making look dumb
 
user1804599
Your mother.
 
Ven
1:35 PM
so, any particular CppCon video I should watch? I've already seen Chandler's about profiling
@ElimGarak I like you
 
@Borgleader Is it morning already? /cc @Morwenn
 
in Discussion between sehe and TemplateRex, 2 mins ago, by sehe
Cool. Thanks for prompting me to look closer! http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/f46da76f94aa2934
We have a winner.
 
user1804599
@Ven Andrei's about scope guards.
 
@jaggedSpire Haha, not here. With the weather it'll be night for a few days.
 
user1804599
The talk is cryptically titled "Declarative Control Flow".
 
user1804599
1:38 PM
bool is_prime(int integer) {
    if (integer < 2)
        return true;
 
user1804599
wat. that makes no sense.
 
user1804599
there are no primes smaller than two.
 
ehehe. Interesting flaw. I'll leave it for @Jefffrey (it's his code :))
 
user1804599
It's a prime example of people not knowing what they are doing.
 
work time. see y'all in nine or so hours, Lounge
 
Ven
1:40 PM
@Elyse oh, I've started watching it! with all the andreijokes
 
but first:
@Borgleader He's so waggly!
 
Is the -j1 build still running? — sehe just now
@Elyse That punted
> PS: how to paste a huge block of code in right format in StackOverFlow?
lol. SO was saved from another mishap by a makeshift Turing test
"[...] completely removes the true genericism from the code that I was attempting to create in the first place" - Oh I think all C++ programmers who first drank the "generic code" kool-aid have been at this painful point where they realize that there are boundaries that templates won't easily cross (C APIs? Isolated TUs?). In time you'll know how to predict these boundaries and to design for them from the start. Until then, it will hurt. Sorry. — sehe just now
Let's raise hands: who has run into the "template-all-the-way//fuck that, it can't work" deception in the past?
I know I did. Even when trying to anticipate it :( That was years ago but I still remember the frustration
 
Interview time. See you alter.
 
Ven
@Morwenn good luck pal!
 
@Morwenn See your alter
 
1:50 PM
@Ven Thanks Paul :)
 
@Morwenn break a leg pal
 
see your halter
 
Ven
@sehe I did, but before $work, templates were all I did in C++ anyway
 
@sehe I know it's a typo but I like how it sounds :D
 
How can people miss the irony of the "Energy Star Award" on such a thing
 
1:51 PM
Is it me, or the lounge is slightly different to, say, an year ago
 
@Mr.kbok Literally.
 
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@Morwenn ALTER morwenn TO GO TO interview
 
@Morwenn really?
 
@chmod666telkitty Of course, I wasn't there a year ago.
 
@Morwenn Are you interviewing with the brest mafia
 
1:51 PM
@Mr.kbok Hopefully not.
 
@chmod666telkitty No. The lounge is exactly the same. (Except people can now respond to messages of users that have been plonked)
 
@Mr.kbok Lol, les Légions Noires ?
 
Ven
@chmod666telkitty no, I was already here a year ago.
 
Also "an year ago" is an obvious reference to "an hero" meme
 
1:53 PM
... Karl Popper wants to have a word with Ben Carson
Also "I will believe in Evolution" - that's already fatally off the mark
 
@Morwenn you know. breaking legs
 
> Humans have big frontal lobes because we, alone, were created in the image of God, who also has a pretty big frontal lobe, you know
3
 
Is that a quote? That's hilarious
 
> Dr. Ben Carson, an adorably ambitious antique bread machine
 
Yes, it's a quote. :(
 
1:54 PM
WTF
 
> Those who believe in evolution will have less guilt about being cannibals, should the situation arise
 
@ElimGarak There's but one answer: "show me the frontal lobe of God".
 
@ElimGarak guess God got its image rendered with nvidia LobeWorks
 
Ven
This guy is pretty stupid. Even french press mocks him. @sehe also he's a neuroscientist (or was rather) IIRC
 
@ElimGarak What remarkable debating skills.
 
1:56 PM
> “Extrapulations”
ahahahahahah
 
@sehe Not really related, but it reminds me the badass church scene in Kingsman
 
That's when marsupilamis extrapolate
 
Ven
@Elyse savage
 
Show me the fossils, you inbred savages!
 
user1804599
1:57 PM
@Ven doug
 
ahahhahhh
> No one has ever demonstrated one species changing to another species, so unless you’ve found the fossilized remains of the elusive Lizard Man, you can keep your bogus “evolution”
 
user1804599
 
@ElimGarak that's... highly meta-ironic
 
mind blown
 
Oct 13 at 14:21, by Andy Prowl
 
hi guys we dont use version control at work
 
This is where it comes from (0:34)
 
we use c++
 
> “When you ask the evolutionists about that, they say, ‘Uh, I don’t know where they are, they’re somewhere, they are, we just haven’t found them yet.’ That’s a pretty lame excuse, to be honest with you.”
lol
 

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