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4:00 PM
> sackful coroutines
 
user406009
@Jefffrey autocorrect sucks
 
Ell
ballsack coroutines
 
Ven
watching code coverage go green is fun
but ugh is "100% coverage" stupid
 
user1804599
Some of your code is already covered by the type checker!
 
user1804599
Can't wait for robotic arms to come to the kitchen https://t.co/4LSCFxqQTa
 
user406009
4:06 PM
I just read the latest coroutine proposal. They look stackful to me.
 
> In the science fiction film, a white computer hacker (played by Keanu Reeves) is rescued from being plugged into a computer system and becomes a messiah figure who confronts all-white villains. Black characters serve him as disciples
O.o
 
Ven
@Elyse yeah sure, but it's c++. there's too much stuff that can go wrong
 
user1804599
4:09 PM
:D :D : D: D: D
 
Ven
@Elyse translate pls pl0x
 
@Elyse I'm not a wubdesigner and also don't care, not the same as pretending it's somehow a better way to do shit
 
user1804599
 
What languages have strong DSL support?
 
user1804599
lol "they feed on the Swede Hjalmar"
 
user1804599
4:12 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum DSLs, such as Sawzall.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Lisp
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Idris
 
@CatPlusPlus I need to embed existing languages - not create them. I'd like a language that lets me have a SQL literal, a JSON literal, an XML literal and so forth. Does lisp do that? It just seems weird that everything we do is with strings.
 
rubby as long as you like your DSLs to be impenetrable and have significant debugging overhead and also useless
 
user1804599
4:14 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Scala allows custom literals with interpolation. So you can do sql"select c from t where d = $x" without SQL injection attacks.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I've played a little with Idris and I didn't see anything relevant, enlighten me.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum C++ works reasonably for almost any DSL. Lisp is symmetric enough that it nearly requires an SDSL line.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes Lisp can do that
 
@CatPlusPlus show me, I've only done Clojure (and a bit of CL).
 
google "lisp macros"
you don't need Cat to SHOW you
 
user1804599
4:14 PM
If you're working in a lisp and you represent your data structures as strings then you should be deported to a reeducation camp.
 
Show you what? (a (b (c))) is already almost XML or JSON
 
@Elyse yes, even JavaScript can do that - but I want compile time errors for SQL not just parameterized queries.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum the entire bloody Idris is almost based on this; look at the Eff framework for example, it's an EDSL in Idris - but it seems you want something different looking at your addendum
 
@Elyse google translate is blocked, can you please paste it to ideone
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok no.
 
4:15 PM
@CatPlusPlus nono, I know I have s-expressions. I want compile time type safety and stuff like that. I want the compiler to tell me I have invalid JSON (or SQL)
 
user1804599
Go work somewhere else.
 
@Elyse :(
 
user1804599
@BenjaminGruenbaum Look up F# type providers.
 
@Elyse hmm, that actually might work!
 
user1804599
They do exactly that.
 
4:16 PM
@Elyse no sex for you
 
user1804599
They extract types from schemas at compile-time.
 
'nough said!
This answer is complete nonsense. With the circuit in this answer, the capacitor charges instantaneously to V1. There is no charging time constant; it is zero. This circuit is not related to the one in the original question. — Chu 7 mins ago
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok I don't have it anyway.
 
Thanks, I don't know why I didn't think of type providers myself.
 
@Elyse aw.
 
4:17 PM
@Elyse do you know if anyone actually implemented something like this for type providers? All I could find for SQL for example is people using LINQ.
 
user1804599
No idea. Never used it. Only know what it is.
 
New Call of Duty gets 7/10, still too high.
 
user1804599
lol CoD
 
user406009
@Elyse oops I was wrong. You were right about then being stackless.
 
@Elyse can you read this?
 
4:18 PM
@ElimGarak how much did it sell
 
No idea, still no numbers. But Fallout 4 is above it on Steam.
 
Ven
@Elyse Lisp-0: same namespace for variables, functions, and strings, perl bareword-style!
 
user1804599
@Ven eww bare words
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson so ugly :(
 
@ElimGarak I don't get the hype behind Fallout 4
 
4:19 PM
Welp, thanks for the suggestion. It doesn't look like type providers can do this - I want to actually embed a language - not convert it via a provider to something else and then use that. It was a good idea though.
 
@Elyse yeah, C# gets clumsy for things like that
 
@JohanLarsson you can reduce that nesting with subjects btw.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum If you have questions about type providers this is the place
 
@AlexM. Same, but I do like Fallout in general. The response is kinda overblown, it is largely the same game still, even less so with changes to the dialogue system.
 
4:20 PM
Your goal seems weird and impractical, make your APIs in a way that doesn't allow invalid things to be created instead of implementing entire languages as DSL
 
@ElimGarak what I'm wondering is what kind of people hype it like that
 
@JohanLarsson who can invite me to that?
 
they can't be oldschool fallout fans because this is nothing like oldschool fallout
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Try this
 
they can't be newschool fallout fans because it's not like the new fallouts were ever outstanding
 
4:21 PM
Oldschool fans are very much against Bethesda produced Fallout, most hated FO3. I would assume it is the Cult of Todd Howard, he is like a business major or something.
 
@CatPlusPlus I want to write an SQL query in my code (so far that's legit right?) but I also want to be able to run code validation on that query in my code so I get compile time errors and stuff.
 
I can only conclude that one guy decided to hype fallout 4
and the sheep followed
 
Compile-time errors for what
Non-existent fields? That depends on database state
 
@CatPlusPlus invalid SQL syntax.
 
man
 
4:22 PM
Wrong keyword order? That requires implementing every SQL variant ever
 
SELEC * FROM Foo.
 
lisp macros
 
And again can be solved by having a query builder API, not SQL literals
 
@CatPlusPlus I want a lanaguage with the ability to implement it.
 
I am almost certain it is the fans of Bethesda attained in the days of Morrowind (and continued over Oblivion and Skyrim). The company is still very much living on the glory of the old days, even the core tech is still the same.
 
4:23 PM
@CatPlusPlus that's not what I'm asking though... I want a language that's able to statically check an embedded language for errors.
 
have you tried lisp macros
 
@AlexM. you keep using that term, I don't think it means what you think it means.
 
Macros can raise errors
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum where am I wrong?
 
4:23 PM
Yes, I know what lisp macros are. No, they do not give me the ability to do what I'm talking about unless I missed something about them.
 
Ell
ah balls my mouse ran out of energy
 
What is funny is that since the acquisition of Fallout, Bethesda's TES has taken the backseat. I would assume that Fallout is an oxygen tank for many, while they wait for the next TES. Hence, hype.
 
@AlexM. lisp macros do not let me embed something like SQL in another language in a type safe way. They're cool and hygienic and I have a special place in my heart for them but they simply don't let me do what I want as far as I know.
@JohanLarsson ty, I'll try later :)
 
What is type-safe way
 
@CatPlusPlus that looks like what I was looking for :D
That's some reading I need to do :) Thanks!
 
4:25 PM
Wrong solution to a wrong problem anyway
 
@ElimGarak I never noticed anything like that
Skyrim was post FO3
 
thanks for the assumptions :D
 
TESO was post FO3 too
 
@AlexM. Ah, but after Oblivion. :D
 
yes
if you want to release two games you have to release two games
 
4:27 PM
Oh, I was wondering who the hell Cat was talking to. I need to stop plonking people.
 
there are more TES games made by Bethesda since FO3 was released, than FO games
 
It's an alternating cycle? I suspect TES VI will start production one month after the season DLC business is up.
 
dunno how much $$$ they make from their MMO
 
@AlexM. If you had to use three dollar signs for it, it must be lots
 
Probably not so much, but I know Skyrim brought them $600M in one week. Fallout 4 will probably bring them a billion in a week, but will not beat GTA V.
 
4:28 PM
I'll get fallout 4 when it drops to 15 eur
 
Do you guys think WoW would boom if the graphics engine was polished?
 
@Columbo no, the people that left left because of the gameplay and story changes
 
@Columbo Nah, it would require a fundamental shift to make it new and hence, not be WoW in the first place. :D
 
but you know, WoW is still successful
 
@ElimGarak Yeah, that's what I think. The gameplay gets to repetitive after a while… a shame, the story and world is ginormous.
 
Ell
4:30 PM
I want some eneloops
 
5 mil players is not little, it's little compared to what it once had but universally it's not little
 
@CatPlusPlus with a type rubber
 
Yeah, Blizzard mentioned they won't be posting any more subscription numbers. Some assume as it is on a decline and they don't want people to bandwagon. But they said, politically correctly, that there are "better metrics of people having fun".
 
@AlexM. Is five little compared to twelve?
Btw., it's 7 IIRC
 
the movie could bring back players
 
4:30 PM
@ElimGarak lol now that's pathetic
 
if 5 years from now WoW will have 2 mil players, it'll still be successful
 
@AlexM. No, I think the lower bound is not at two but higher.
 
@Columbo no it's not
 
@ElimGarak what's the latest numbers?
 
@Default 5M
 
4:31 PM
too many people see "WoW playerbase dropped to 5 mil" and go OMG WOW IS DEAD
 
@AlexM. Does it stop people from getting sceptic by subscription numbers?
 
and this hurts the game
 
WoW will still do well. It won't net them the billions they're used to, but hey.
 
when are those numbers from?
 
A few days ago, maybe yesterday.
 
4:32 PM
@Default 2015 Q3?
 
A good metric for people having fun with WoW is 0
 
ah.. is it still appr $10 a month?
 
Yeah, I could never get into WoW. I couldn't shake the utter feeling of wasting time.
 
@ElimGarak likewise :D
found the price: EUR 12.99/Month
 
ye the subscription is still ++points for WoW
the only other popular subscription based mmo is FF ARR
bethesda had to go without a subscription to keep theirs alive
 
4:34 PM
I am surprised they aren't doing shit with all the money they have.
 
I thought eve online did pretty well
 
is eve even a mmorpg
 
@ElimGarak they bought king recently :)
 
I'm talking about games like wow not nerd stuff :A
 
@JerryCoffin Thanks for your answer! Much appreciated.
 
@Default While that may be a financially sound decision given their income, it's not really an exciting path for a game company.
I am still looking forward to Vivendi fucking up Ubisoft, though. :D
 
@Columbo Surely. One of those that's almost embarrassing once you see it... :-)
 
@ElimGarak yes oh god yes
I want to see that
vivendi be sneakin like an assassin
 
@JerryCoffin I wasn't familiar with how Ground and a closed circuit like yours are equivalent, so cheers for showing that up to me :-)
 
4:37 PM
And Ubisoft being annoyed by it in public is even more delicious tears.
 
Yeah my supervisor would probably have been very sarcastic about that one lol
 
get rekt ubicrap
 
But hey, he's nice. nvm.
 
btw I wonder how well their new AC will run
the sysreqs don't seem bad
 
@AlexM. New AC? When, where?
I loved III and IV.
Lost track of it though.
 
4:38 PM
AC Syndicate
it takes place in london and stars the queen, marx and LRiO
 
I am mostly curious about the next Mass Effect, although that ending rekt. And then even more rekt with the extended cut bullshit, solidifying the poop.
 
I don't get the extended cut
 
@AlexM. Is that the episode where he is exiled to live in Nottingham
 
"we don't like the ending so remake it so we like it"
 
I still remember finding all the flags in AC1 and then.. nothing happened.
 
4:40 PM
They stuck to their "artistic integrity".
 
a custom made ending
is just as good as an imagined ending
that you like
 
But from now on, I intend to enjoy Mass Effect for the general stuff and not get too much emotionally involved.
 
btw what's up with these games you're waiting for
 
worst ending in a game according to me was time shift
 
did you even know that the new planescape is going to release soon
 
4:41 PM
IIRC I stood on a balcony, shot a rocket or something and then the game was over.
 
I am mostly looking forward to Fallout 4, played Anno 2205 and was disappointed. And have AC Syndicate on the PS4, because fuck Uplay.
 
I think this will be the only game I'll buy at full price this year
 
@AlexM. is it planescape
 
well, next year
not this one
tho they don't really deserve the money
instead of outputting more content for wasteland 2
they started making the bard's tale 4
 
Give your money to Phil Fish
 
4:44 PM
@Columbo Oh--surely. Glad it was helpful.
 
@ElimGarak lol
 
@JerryCoffin Btw., why are you knowing this kind of stuff? Are you secretly an electrical engineer?
Or just remember it from Uni?
 
he's uni-less
IIRC
 
@Columbo Hmmm...well, most of my career (including my current job) has been as a software guy at a primarily hardware company. I also have to maintain my reputation for knowing everything, of course.
 
@JerryCoffin Hehe, you're doing well with that.
 
4:49 PM
@ScarletAmaranth That's not true at all. I went to college for a whole semester...or even two, I guess, if you look carefully.
 
Fortunately, my Digital Electronics course ended, and so will this nightmarish SV work
 
oh my apologies, most rude of me
 
@JerryCoffin That's more than me so far. We'll see who lasts longer :D
 
I once drove past a college.
2
 
@Columbo They had that in a digital electronics course? That seems about as far from digital as you can get...
 
4:50 PM
@JerryCoffin My supervisor is a physicist, so… well
I have to explain how MOSFETs work as well.
And p-n junctions, and … more
As I said, nightmarish
 
Ell
Go on then
explain to me how a MOSFET works
 
@Columbo For reasons I've never been quite able to explain, I find FETs much easier to understand than bipolars. In fact, bipolars are probably a good part of the reason I didn't try to become a EE.
 
Ell
FET = field effect transistor right?
 
@Ell ack.
 
@Ell A) Magic. B) Pretty darned well C) both A and B.
 
Ell
4:53 PM
MOS - metal oxide semiconductor right?
 
Yes.
 
The correct answer is C, of course.
 
@ell you're just googling
 
from what I understand, there is like silicon stuff that actually does the work when I call foldr
 
Not to be confused with Boba Fett
 
Ell
4:54 PM
I'm trying to remember how a pn junction works. one side is doped with something with holes and the other with free electrons
 
@Ell Now you know as much as me, and my deadline is at 9pm.
 
Django Fett
 
Ell
although idk if they're supposed to teach the "holes" thing anymore
 
@Ell Yeah, there's a p-type and an n-type MOS
@Ell They are. They're the majority carriers on the p-type and the minority carriers on the n-type.
 
how to open a foldr
 
4:55 PM
can opener
but can you?
 
Ell
open 'er? I barely know 'er
 
@Ell Off to the library. A plus
 
Ell
@Columbo good luck :P
 
@Ell Cheers pal, I'll need it
 
I am considering getting back to my tinkering with electronics, but it is so time consuming, even for the smallest stuff.
 
4:56 PM
who cares about electronics
 
electrons
speaking of which I shall go sleeeeeep
 
a physicist is an atom's way to learn about other atoms?
 
@Ell Probably not--obviously sexist. "Welcome to feminist electronics, where we learn to move electrons deeply. On a really good day, you can even make electrons cry."
 
@Ell They sort of have to, for the average EE candidate's background in physics.
 
Ell
@GregorMcGregor night gregor
 
5:00 PM
The Win10 Mail app's shittiness goes above and beyond my expectations
 
> “kdbus is not dead” asserts Lennart Poettering at a systemd conference
SO IS KYROSTAT
 
Ell
kdbus has been wanting to merge for many windows now
 
@ElimGarak FPGA. A nice halfway point where you write code, but the result is a circuit.
 
@CatPlusPlus s/SO/NEITHER/
 
DO NOT QUESTION ME
 
5:01 PM
@JerryCoffin yeah it's so nice to force everything into being a moore fsa
 
@ScarletAmaranth That's not true at all. There are also Mealy state machines!
 
Ell
yes mealy state machines
we learned about those
they don't take the start state into account right?
 
@CatPlusPlus SO is Kyrostat? I though Stack Overflow was just a crappy web site.
 
Ell
or maybe they do. but that's what differentiates them right?
 
they are different as there is an output present (associated with the state) right away as the first state is initialized
@JerryCoffin I really hate the mental model; or perhaps I have never fully understood; but the idea of "everything happens at once"-kind of thing seems just ludicrous to me
 
5:06 PM
@Ell At least if memory serves, the output of a Moore state machine depends only on the state. The output of a Mealy state machine depends on the state and the inputs (but I could have those reversed).
 
you're right, but they are different in the sense that there is always the extra first output resulting from the state association
 
Ell
Yeah I think you are right
 
mealy and moore are "similar", not equivalent
 
Ell
Ah wait no I think it's the other way around
 
congruent if you will
 
5:07 PM
I reported a sourcetree crash at atlassian's
 
@ScarletAmaranth Get used to it--when you're programming a machine with (say) 512 cores, you're going to have to think a lot the same way.
 
@JerryCoffin I will just skip lockfree ^^
 
@Ell Could easily be--I written state machines, but rarely pay much attention to which name gets attached to what.
 
@JerryCoffin I think the map-reduce model will prevail; have a reasonably-sequential execution and just scatter / gather in a "simd" fashion to (say) 512 cores
 
Ven
5:12 PM
@ScarletAmaranth I often see people criticizing map-reduce, but it's usually on reddit, so I don't value highly their opinion. is that actually as amazing as it promises?
 
@Ven I just view at as a mental model rather than joining religious debates going into irrelevant details
 
Ell
I wonder how I can insert U+0332 in emacs to underline my text
 
Ven
@ScarletAmaranth that's fair :-). thanks
and on a totally unrelated note... just how do you sleep comfortably with your SO in a 1-sized bed? :\
 
@ScarletAmaranth I doubt any one model will "prevail" for all software, any more than one model has prevailed for all sequential computation. Map-reduce is a useful abstraction, but it's not even close to the only one.
 
I have some a bunch of Ts, lift f : (T -> a) to work with bunch of Ts and have the "runtime" take care of how it's done exactly
@JerryCoffin sure it's not; I just think it's useful
 
Ell
5:15 PM
oh my mouse is alive somehow
 
@ScarletAmaranth Oh, it is useful, no question about that--Hadoop (for the obvious example) wouldn't have gotten where it is if it wasn't useful.
 
automated reasoning and proof-based programming is where I am turning my head towards; just write everything in Coq
 
So, my friend who recently became a teacher... Ran into him today, he makes $8500... A year. And what's more, he was happy because that's like medium or something.
 
Ell
ouch :V
 
in Croatia
?
 
5:28 PM
Yeah.
 
high school?
 
Xeo
@ElimGarak wtf
 
Yup
 
Xeo
that's... ~700 bucks a month
 
Yup
 
5:28 PM
@ElimGarak anything to compare against?
 
Xeo
how the fuck can he survive on that
 
Housing is really cheap around here, I suppose.
 
he's in croatia
 
@ElimGarak Just for reference, how much would you make there working full-time at a fast food restaurant, or something like that?
 
@ElimGarak what country?
 
5:29 PM
my mom makes ~8k / year as well
 
@JerryCoffin 4K / year (minimum wage reached)
 
Xeo
what's the rent like?
 
$300/month just the space + utils, for a really shitty place, though. He lives with his parents for now.
 
@ElimGarak So a teacher is making barely over twice minimum wage? I guess that falls under "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger." He gonna be really strong (or else dead).
 
what does he teach?
 
user406009
5:32 PM
@JerryCoffin Teachers in the US don't make much money either.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Geography
@JerryCoffin I believe the salary increases with "tenure", topping out at 50% more.
 
Xeo
@ElimGarak 400eur here for a decent-sized flat and everything (except electricity)
 
@ElimGarak oh ok... well that's too bad, I wanted to suggest he can do some work "on the side" but I don't think there is demand for freelance geographers :P
 
@Lalaland They aren't very well paid (depends somewhat on location though), but at least most places it's more like 3-4 times minimum wage, if I'm not mistaken.
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin maybe you just have a really low minimum wage :P
 
5:33 PM
The MO in Croatia, at least, as I understand it is that if you want a house (or decent size flat), you need to pool your resources with a spouse or something. If you're not "special".
 
user406009
@ElimGarak In certain parts of the US, you need to pool your resources to get a 2 bedroom apartment.
 
user406009
Like fucking San Francisco.
 
@Xeo Possible, of course--but I kind of doubt it. At least from what I've seen, minimum wage works out to being pretty similar across a pretty wide range of economies.
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Most countries have a ~30% higher minimum wage once you account for PPP.
 
@ElimGarak I'm looking at flats right now. The one I really liked was too expensive for me T_T (it wasnt that big either 650sqr ft)
 
user406009
5:36 PM
@JerryCoffin Look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country, the PPP column.
 
I am kinda the person who prefers not to discuss stuff like income, or plans, or religion, or politics... When cornered like that in public. And I have a really bad time with other people who are open books.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Would you consider share income statistics with your coworkers? Sharing income in that context gives all of you greater bargaining power.
 
@ElimGarak hows your book coming along?
 
I'm back.
 
@Borgleader Fixing up syntax highlighting for HLSL right now. :D
 
5:42 PM
:D
 
@Lalaland Not sure, I am really introverted. :D Luckily, not in that position. People do that?
 
> Welcome back, mistress! :D
 
@Morwenn mistress of whom?
 
@Morwenn you're someone's mistress? how naughty of you
 
@Mr.kbok Of you if you're ok with that.
Mistress of puppets.
 
5:43 PM
@Morwenn well... if that makes me a servant, no.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Yes, in somewhat anonymous contexts.
 
@Mr.kbok That makes you nothing. It's just a title.
 
user406009
At the last place I worked, they had a google spreadsheet floating around.
 
user406009
And of course there is glassdoor.com
 
@Morwenn I'm fine with it then. You can be Mistress of Mr. kbok
 
user406009
5:45 PM
That sort of information is the only way individual employees can bargain correctly with employers for salary.
 
@Mr.kbok Mr. kbok -> Master kbok
 
@Lalaland According to this page, there are 8 out of 192 countries with minimum wages at least 30% higher than the US in terms of PPP. Do you honestly believe that qualifies as (even close to) most?
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin I was only looking at the other "rich" countries.
 
user406009
Like the UK.
 
user1804599
Hello.
 
5:47 PM
For me, it's mostly that I believe there is a ceiling for how much other people can be happy for you, beyond which any conversation about that is bound to go sour. And I believe that ceiling is reached when the person you're talking to has a yearly income which is only 50% more than what you paid for your computer upfront a few months ago.
 
> Quels prénoms un peu (beaucoup) loufoques, inventés, vous aimeriez (ou pas) donner à vos futurs enfants
Un garçon
Une fille
de mon coté :
Un garçon : Masturbin
Une fille : Clitorine
` `
 
@Morwenn As long as its not Master Kok Blok
 
I am willing to listen, but I will turn away from the subject as soon as possible. Always make the conversation about the other person and look for early exit conditions.
 
> Toi t'es vraiment chelou
 
@Mr.kbok wtf did i just read
 
5:48 PM
french forums
 
@Borgleader Master Bolt Clock.
 
Hey, I haven't seen any HOW TOs lately, have we finally cured the Lounge?
 
Ell
shh
 
HOW TO CURE LOUNGE
 
@Elyse did only find one bug with tests, added tests to the gist
 
5:52 PM
mediocre
 
no estimate for the number of unfound
 
You asked for it, @ElimGarak
 
@набиячлэвэлиь I don't think that will hold up in court. :P
 
@ElimGarak inb4 paedophilia
 
@Lalaland The UK doesn't qualify under your criteria though. In fact, that page says the UK minimum wage is about 11% higher than the US'. At least IMO, that's effectively equal--I think the "noise" level in a PPP calculation exceed 11% (probably by a good margin--even I restrict it to "within California", I don't think it can be calculated to that level of accuracy).
 
5:55 PM
I'll be de rodriguez for a few days next week, anyone wants to pull a gaming night?
 
@JerryCoffin In your state, what is the minimum wage?
 
shitfacing is an option too but you know, geography
 
user3790646
am I Cicada?
 
unexpected
 
How to eat at Passy?
 
5:57 PM
@ElimGarak Currently $9.00/hour, going up to $10/hour the beginning of next year.
 
how much is a big mac?
 
@JohanLarsson $2.5k
 
user1804599
Oh, I did that GADT stuff only to realise I'm going to write my compiler in C++. :(
 
user1804599
Maybe I can do the same thing with templates, but I'm not sure.
 
@JohanLarsson I have no idea--I don't eat at McDonalds (and even when I did, I didn't eat Big Macs).
 
5:59 PM
ok, I have no idea what it costs in sweden
 
user1804599
 

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