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11:00 AM
Everyone's all like "fuk da banks, fuk da banks" ... while they're on their way to the fucking bank
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you're very not up to date on current affairs are you?
 
Ell
man this wait for the last tory seat is painful
 
Ell
just hurry up
 
ST SKIVES AMIRITE
 
Ell
11:01 AM
haha
 
To be fair to St. Ives, the result has to travel all the way from 1951
 
lol 'Ukip won 12 per cent of the total vote, but only won one seat in parliament.' First-past-the-post is a better system than I gave it credit for:)
 
Ell
From nigel:
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees Oh... Cornwall then:(
 
Ell
> first past the post is bankrupt
 
11:04 AM
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Q: Show a loading screen in c++

goldsmit409We have an application in c++ that checks the compatibility and installs a dotnet application written in c#, now what i want to do is do all the tasks of compatibility checks in the background thread and until the application starts show a loading gif and hide it once the application is installed...

 
@TheForestAndTheTrees haha
 
defuq
 
come on people atleast tell why is it down voted, i tried finding out how can i do it, but found nothing — goldsmit409 9 secs ago
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not sure how to approach your childish concept of money & banks.
 
@khajvah This is good for Bitcoin.
 
11:05 AM
haven't got time today anyway
 
Ell
@Nisk who regulated it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why?
 
@Nisk In what way am I "childish" for observing that the majority of homeowners are probably grateful that they were able to do so using a mortgage rather than having to fork out hundreds of thousands of pounds in cash??
And that people like to make interest on their savings?
Weirdo.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit in the US that's no longer the case.
 
Banks are alright
 
Ell
11:06 AM
I hate all the close up mouth noises
 
@Nisk I couldn't give a flying fuck whether that's the case in the US
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit again, childish
 
@Nisk dafuq are you talking about
 
@Nisk Observing facts is childish? You're probably looking for a different word.
 
lol TIL "access to mortgages is a good thing" -> childish
 
11:07 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes thinking a morgage is a good thing - yes, very fucking childish.
 
@Nisk excuse me, but where do you live?
do you own an apartment or a house?
 
cloud cuckoo land from the sounds of it
 
@Nisk What do you want? Free money?
 
11:08 AM
Oh well, I have a ton of stuff to do today, so I'll just assume that mortgages are pointers and get on with it.
 
today is monday
 
Ell
today is friday
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
today is winday
fucking hell hurry up southerners
 
Nov 13 '14 at 13:25, by R. Martinho Fernandes
It's officially Monday.
 
Ell
11:10 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes have a productive day
 
@BartekBanachewicz No. But I sure as fuck don't intend to get a mortgage to buy one.
 
Ell
@Nisk you will rent instead?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They all have 5 fingers and two thumbs down there. Counting votes in base 14 is slow.
 
Renting is actually better financially(at least where I live)
 
11:13 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes not sure if Tu Quoque or composition-division
 
@Nisk are you paying for rent?
 
@Ell I am renting.
 
love jobs with precise requirements "Proficiency in modern programming languages: C, C++, Java and Perl"
 
I found a missed call from a number starting with +0097
 
@Nisk are you going to be renting a place for the next 20 years?
 
11:14 AM
according to Wikipedia it's United Arab Emirates
 
Tu quoque fili mi!
 
tu cock what?
 
Bruto!
 
Ell
@Nisk why no mortgage and buy?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why not?
 
11:15 AM
@Jefffrey no I'm alex
 
@AlexM. tu cock, fill me
oh wait no it's Israel
who the fuck calls me from Israel
 
@khajvah I want to hear his answer
 
Miliband's gone
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good luck bud
 
Just kidding, if you tell me what the number is though I can give you an indication though
 
11:17 AM
@khajvah Because that's fucking stupid
is the main flaw
 
@BartekBanachewicz no
 
Here we go again
 
ITT UAE and Israel get mixed up.
 
@Nisk so you're going to buy a place for cash?
 
11:19 AM
@BartekBanachewicz that's my intent
 
@Nisk so you're going to save up the money?
 
don't see what this has got to do with anything
 
You can't spell ∪nicorn without union!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The point is. Renting cost will be equal to the cost of mortgage in about 20 years. It is stupid to bind yourself to a place for 20 years. That is like 1/4 of your life.
 
@khajvah you can recycle a mortgage
 
Ell
11:19 AM
@Nisk well you can either afford it now, you will afford it by saving, or you will afford it by investing
 
@Nisk see, I'm curious why do you prefer paying cash while not having own place to paying cash while having own place
 
Ell
or get a mortgage
 
@BartekBanachewicz at the moment is because I'm not sure I want to settle down in Ireland
 
@khajvah you don't have to live in a place you bought for 20 years
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, a mortgage, unless you can beat the average isn't a good investment (real estate). You typically have to know where to buy to beat the market.
 
11:21 AM
having a place to live kinda sorta makes it a better investment
 
@BartekBanachewicz investing the same money in a bank is a better investment
 
you're trying to make me out to be detached from reality, I'm not, I'm just aware of repercusions on the banking system and it makes me sick
 
Not in terms of money made over time. You can typically invest it better unless you have real insight into the real estate market
 
either way, if you decide the place you bought isn't nice anymore, you can move, rent somethign somewhere else, lend the old apartment and wait for it to become fully yours
 
Ell
@khajvah not really
 
11:22 AM
@Nisk repercusions like what exactly?
 
@Ell In my country at least
 
Ell
well it depends I guess vOv
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum IMHO investing it better also takes skill, and if you're going to live in the place you buy, that's at least an ok investment
 
@BartekBanachewicz invest in the S&P 500
 
@BartekBanachewicz Still pay interest for 20 years
 
11:23 AM
what Nisk was hinting at was that it's a complete failure, so I'm curious for his reasoning
 
No skill needed.
 
@BartekBanachewicz like everytime you get a morgage you're effectively expanding the money supply - deflating the value of existing currency
 
@khajvah if you lend it, the money can cover the interest
 
Hi,maybe someone know how to do infix to postfix conversion and can help me ?stackoverflow.com/questions/30118941/infix-to-postfix-algorithm
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol it won't
 
11:24 AM
@Nisk that's, uh, not really how it works. Technically, the bank is responsible for the inflation, not you
 
This is the S&P 500, now you tell me if you bought a house 20 years ago the S&P wouldn't have been a better investment:
 
Ell
lol at that dude trying to park outside downing street
 
@khajvah depends
 
I'm not arguing that a mortgage is not a relatively sane and perhaps even cost-efficient way of getting a house - just my disgust at the banking system every step of the way
 
11:25 AM
a nice, new place here can be easily lent for like 2kPLN, and that's more than enough to cover 20+ year interest
 
@BartekBanachewicz If it did, I would buy a big fucking house today and lend it to somebody and wait because apparently lending covers it.
 
17 mins ago, by Nisk
@R.MartinhoFernandes thinking a morgage is a good thing - yes, very fucking childish.
who's childish now?
 
@BartekBanachewicz how much is an apartment in Gdansk?
 
@Nisk oh sure, banks are gross
Everyone knows that
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum around 200-300k
 
11:26 AM
@BartekBanachewicz yes, it's a means to an end - doesn't make it good
 
but they've also conveniently shaped the economy so you can't really avoid them.
 
@BartekBanachewicz In USD?
 
@BartekBanachewicz what about the rent?
 
That's actually not too bad.
 
Ell
plz nobody assassinate cameron now
 
11:26 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum $80k
 
@khajvah what about it?
 
@Ell NSA/GCHQ probably has this on file now
 
@BartekBanachewicz I should buy a place there
 
@BartekBanachewicz how much would $80k home cost to rent?
 
Ell
11:27 AM
@Nisk yep :(
 
user1804599
What is S&P?
 
@Nisk they had it on file before because it's unencrypted and crosses US borders
 
I can totally afford one, and it could be a good investment.
@rightfold standard & poor's.
 
@khajvah around $600-700 for the renting + $250 for the bills
 
@rightfold It's the 500 largest companies
 
user1804599
11:28 AM
SAP.
 
@Mgetz what do you mean before?
 
user1804599
Oh, I see.
 
Hi,maybe someone know how to do infix to postfix conversion and can help me ? stackoverflow.com/questions/30118941/infix-to-postfix-algorithm .Thanks
 
user1804599
You already posted that here.
 
user1804599
Go away.
 
user1804599
11:28 AM
Thanks.
 
@Nisk the traffic is unencrypted and crosses US borders. Any such traffic is monitored
 
@Nisk the only thing you said that would make it bad is your "perceived disgust for the bank system"
 
@PaulJ can't downvote twice
 
Being against banks is like being against free market economy
 
@Mgetz oh yeah, that's why I said it.
 
11:29 AM
@khajvah yes, and?
 
Still stuck on a 325 tie:(
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees You wouldn't say that if you lived in soviet union.
 
@Nisk for what it's worth also listening in are GCHQ, the German, Dutch, Italian, and Ukrainian equivalents. Russia is probably listening in too for good measure
 
@BartekBanachewicz I mentioned how the fed expands the money supply? That's essentially a hidden tax on the population
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum S'OK - I can add one.
 
11:31 AM
@Mgetz don't forget New Zealand
 
@khajvah in soviet union, government say that for me! /sarcasm
 
@Mgetz not so much Ukraine though, unless you count US running things for them
 
@Nisk right forgot about telekitty
 
I've just realized that the difference between a billionaire and a millionaire is bigger than between a millionaire and a typical citizen
 
@Nisk I could have sworn they inherited SORM from the Soviet Union
 
11:32 AM
@BartekBanachewicz what do you mean?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum a typical citizen has worth of at least 5 digits, typically 6. A millionaire is 7-9, closer to 7. A bilionaire is 10-12 (closer to 10)
 
> 6
 
Ell
what is a millionaire?
 
I wish
I am still at 4
 
@Ell someone whose holdings are a 7-digit sum
 
11:34 AM
@Mgetz soviet union fell apart in the 90s, SORM seems to have come into existence in 1996
 
Ell
holdings?
 
uh that's not the word
possesions?
 
Ell
net worth? or cash?
 
wealth
 
11:34 AM
that
 
a millionaire is a rich guy
 
Ell
I always wonder whether people are talking about net worth or cash
 
@Nisk eh... prior government was very close to moscow, I wouldn't be surprised if they had the same equiptment
 
not as rich as a billionaire but still kinda rich
 
@khajvah I might have been at 4 in high school
 
Ell
11:35 AM
I'm definitely a 4
 
@AlexM. my point is that we're closer to millionaires than they are to billionaires
 
@Mgetz well since US installed the new government, they probably have new NSA toys to play with
 
Ell
but I don't have a degree, job, etc.
 
@BartekBanachewicz at high school I was about $300(I owned a smartphone)
 
if you calc the flat I live in right now as mine I'm at 6 already
 
11:36 AM
@Nisk maybe, but then they'd have to learn new equipment. More than likely the NSA is over there studying whatever they had before.
 
@Mgetz True, probably not the cutting edge, but still.
 
326!
 
@Ell I don't have a degree either
 
@BartekBanachewicz Only one left to become a millionaire
EASY!
 
Ell
@MartinJames Wooo!
 
11:38 AM
@Nisk highly likely, moscow is known for holding back on stuff like that.
 
@Ell Go collect your cash:)
 
Ell
Am doing so now :D
 
the ProtonMail service seemed interesting enough
a step in the right direction
 
AYYYYYY
 
mm a new mentoring request coming up. Looks nice.
 
11:42 AM
but the whole "enter password to download account" soundeds a bit dodge
 
today is truly a day of joyful celebrations
 
holy crap @Nisk so apparently the Soviet Union asked to join NATO in 1954
 
my JNI wrapper works
 
@Nisk javascript encryption
and they promise they don't store your password.
 
@khajvah yeah, if the private key ever leaves the end-used device - raise an eyebrow
 
11:44 AM
I mean, you can't trust a company that is supposedly run on donations
 
also seen a lot of "passwords" stuff
reducing security of crypto to security of a password
 
Ell
@AlexM. it's prolly better than mine
atm I'm trying to figure out a way to get my instances of jclass from somewhere
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Talk about yourself
Today sucks. :(
UE sucks
Blueprints suck
Stupid UE
 
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Q: Is email encryption, as claimed by ProtonMail, possible?

noviceIs it possible to create a Web service that encrypts all messages, such that only the writer, and the person to whom the mail is sent, can read it? In other words, is the theory behind ProtonMail valid?

 
@Mgetz Interesting.
 
11:51 AM
@wilx the USSR had a valid point, it did seem aggressive given the fact that of the original allies they were the only exclusion
 
user1804599
Today is a beautiful day.
 
@Mgetz IIRC they played spy games right of the bat after the end of the WWII.
 
@rightfold Yeah, it is Friday
 
@wilx both sides, and before WWII ended
 
No wonder they did not want them in.
 
11:53 AM
Spy stories are interesting
 
Also, Stalin, non-democratic state, etc.
 
user1804599
I need a message queueing system with ACID guarantees.
 
@wilx TBH Stalin was probably the biggest issue, we had no issue with military dictators in greece.
 
@rightfold ActiveMQ?
 
user1804599
@wilx lemme take a look
 
11:55 AM
@khajvah secure email like that is possible, but the security of ProtonMail is questionable
still better than Lavabit - they were complete noobs
 
Ven
@sehe Nice one! took me some googling to learn about the different boost parts :)
 
@Xeo :(
 
user1804599
@wilx the docs look like one big ad
 
@Nisk Well, it is possible but if it does some company like ProtonMail, there have to be some level trust. There is no way to make a system and claim "We can't read your stuff, you don't need to trust us"
 
11:58 AM
@Mgetz US liked Hussein too, until he wanted to use his oil to help his people
 
@Nisk his oil, you mean the oil he appropriated from Kuwait?
 
@Ell I need to clean it up a bit and it's good to go
 
@Nisk That is quote some misinterpretation of what happened.
 
I'll add other features as needed later
 
@khajvah Sorry, but all of that is complete nonsense. Mortgages do not make you bound to a single place for 20 years (mortgages are usually transferable, at least here, or you can always just pay off the remainder with your earnings from selling the property if you so wish).
 

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