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user1804599
10:02 PM
Wunderbar.
 
user1804599
YAAAAAAAAAAAAY
 
@Jefffrey Yes, it does.
 
Thanks
 
@rightføld Server fault erection?
 
Ell
On my way back
 
10:09 PM
@Ell woah dude it's 11pm
10 in your timezone
and I thought my overtime is shitty
 
user1804599
Is putting work on a Boost ASIO I/O service slow?
 
user1804599
Oh wait nevermind.
 
44 mins ago, by Jefffrey
inb4 erection
 
:D
 
is it possible to do an ls -l without printing the group permissions with it?
 
10:18 PM
more important is why would you ever want that
hmpf I want more rep
for no particular reason
 
because it takes up space and it's ugly and I don't use it
 
what space
what could that space be possibly useful for instead
 
user1804599
@corvid sure.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz this is from a birthday meal, not work :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz not being ugly, basically... must be simplified to nothingness!
 
Ell
10:20 PM
But occasionally I do work until 02:00
 
user1804599
@corvid ls -l | awk '{ $1 = ""; print }' | sed 's/^ //'
 
user1804599
AWK is an amazing tool.
 
@Ell oh ok
@Ell oh fuck
 
user1804599
lol there is #awk channel
 
user1804599
Imagine people talking about AWK all day.
 
user1804599
10:26 PM
> pgas set the topic at: 12 Nov 2013 15:16
 
@rightføld ...like we talk about C++ all day, right? :)
 
user1804599
I wonder what the largest serious non-generated AWK code base is.
 
awk cannot have codebases
it's just sequences of weird characters
 
user1804599
Says the Haskell programmer.
 
@rightføld bet they have loads of awkward silences
 
10:31 PM
lol
 
Lenses ain't weird :<
 
user1804599
Neither is AWK.
 
user1804599
I'm going to write a Clojure library that allows you to write AWK-like programs.
 
@rightføld Have you done game programming with Clojure?
It seems quite fit, given all the java libraries for it out there.
 
user1804599
Yup. Actually in progress.
 
10:34 PM
With OpenGL?
 
user1804599
Lol no wtf I'm not a masochist.
 
lol
2D, 3D or CL?
 
@rightføld Depends on what you compare it too. I think that the io_service is not lockfree, so - there's your limitation
 
user1804599
That would be cool. ^
 
user1804599
10:38 PM
And is actually pretty easy to implement.
 
> defawk
the fuck
 
user1804599
defxxx is the usual naming for defining some XXX.
 
user1804599
Like defmacro and defparser.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey dat pun
 
what the fuck is this MVVM thing
all I see are blobs of text
 
10:43 PM
@rightføld Is your game repository available to the mass?
 
bla bla model view bla applications some class diagrams
 
user1804599
You have like a model, and a view, and a view model.
 
the fuck is this shit
just use immutable data containers and sync with your gui using FRP
noobs.
 
I don't know much of FRP
 
user1804599
 
10:45 PM
fucking OOP masturbation
as if more UML diagrams somehow make this bullshit design idea clearer
noobs.
 
user1804599
Bartek how about you take the time to read it and experiment with it.
 
user1804599
You didn't get Haskell in ten minutes either.
 
I'm trying
All I see is blobs of text
where are the funny pictures
 
@rightføld How do I make the .jar file?
 
 
user1804599
10:47 PM
@Jefffrey no idea. Just do lein run in the directory.
 
@Jefffrey jar
 
user1804599
For creating a JAR I think you can use überjar.
 
user1804599
But you don't need to if you just want to run the program.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey run jar
man jar
 
user1804599
The code is more interesting than the result. All it currently does is showing the map.
 
user1804599
10:48 PM
No interaction is possible except moving, resizing and closing the main window.
 
user1804599
lol noobs sehe and Ell
 
user1804599
you don't use jar to create JARs from Leiningen projects.
 
@rightføld the code is lisp, so it's weird and has a lot of parens
 
user1804599
Lisp <3
 
10:49 PM
)))))
I think they obfuscate the code and make it harder to write
 
user1804599
Use ParEdit and rainbow parentheses you noob.
 
also lisp is dynamically typed, no?
 
user1804599
Lisps are not dynamically typed per se.
 
user1804599
Clojure is dynamically typed, although there is a library that allows static typing.
 
what about this one? yeah well.
I think that Lisp, while perhaps being more powerful, is ironically much less useful than haskell
 
10:52 PM
Nov 3 at 7:31, by sehe
Context. Context. Context.
 
user1804599
Perl. Perl. Perl.
 
@Ell I think that's mangar
 
Perl on the other hand is a language that's very hard to reason about.
 
user1804599
Perl is amazing, just like AWK.
 
It's inconsistent, its syntax is noisy and it doesn't bring anything really interesting to the table
 
user1804599
10:53 PM
I should learn all about sed. I only know substitution command.
 
I mean, it could be fun as a toy language, but it's unsuitable for any real projects
anyone who thinks it is is either dumb or uneducated.
 
@rightføld You don't wanna
 
user1804599
Also, I should learn how to use find. I have never used find as a combination of grep and globs always did what I wanted.
 
@rightføld I just wanted to see if it was 2D, 3D or CL.
:)
 
user1804599
Ah. :P
 
10:54 PM
@Jefffrey he posted a screenshot a while back
 
user1804599
That's a graphics API I like.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I know I'm god-like, but I'm not omnipresent. :)
 
@rightføld find will knock your socks off once you find out -ctime, -mtime -3, -mmin +3, -inum 123123, -type l, -perm, -executable, and especially -or and -prune
 
10:55 PM
They want me to pay to watch a video tutorial about light mvvm
 
user1804599
@sehe What is -or?
 
it's a logical predicate
 
they literally, on their main page, point me to a paid website, where I can watch a video tutorial about their library
 
@BartekBanachewicz you know what I want
 
user1804599
@sehe I can also do that with glob. :v
 
10:56 PM
@rightføld Oh, and of course -print0 | xargs -0 or -print0 | xjobs -0
@rightføld How
 
@Jefffrey what
 
What’s xjobs?
 
user1804599
@sehe *.sql *.txt
 
@BartekBanachewicz come on, you are talking about a link on some main page
 
@Jefffrey so?
 
user1804599
10:57 PM
I can also filter types using globs.
 
the link to this "main page"
 
My attitude towards light mvvm couldn't have been worse
 
i would like the link
the reference
 
thanks
 
user1804599
10:58 PM
I can do logical negation using glob.
 
user1804599
As well as except.
 
I haven't seen a single line of code related to that thing, but I already dislike it
I think there might be a bigger issue with me learning C# than I thought
 
user1804599
Filter creation and edit times.
 
I forgot it's used by people who wank over OOP design patterns
 
user1804599
> To give you one example of how powerful the whole thing is, let me show you one expression to recursively match all normal files which have no uppercase characters or numbers in the name, which are executable for the owner who must have the UID 1002 but not for the rest of the world, have a file size above 30MB and have been modified within the last month:
 
user1804599
10:58 PM
ls -l **/([^A-Z[:digit:]])##(#q.x^X^u1002Lm+30mM-1)
 
user1804599
@sehe :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hmm.
 
@rightføld wow how powerful. not.
 
You don't have to pay to see the video about MVVM
 
user1804599
More powerful than your mom's lazy ass.
 
10:59 PM
frankly I don't want to see a video
I'd like a short summary and an example
without uml
 
user1804599
Videos are fun.
 
user1804599
UML is useful.
 
seems heavy-duty
 
UML is useless
7
> Model: This can be really simple, the goal here is for the ViewModel not to have to do any of the business logic.

ViewModel: This should essentially delegate everything to the Model except for exposing data for the View.

View: This should just bind to the ViewModel and make stuff look pretty.
 
user1804599
And {…} is incredibly useful as well.
 
11:01 PM
@rightføld What did you smoke?
 
user1804599
Like x/{foo,bar} expanding to x/foo x/bar.
 
user1804599
And very useful when combined with globs.
 
@rightføld bwahahaha. No wonder you like perl!
 
so you make three classes: one of them is your model, one of them is empty, and one of them is CSS
 
@rightføld Try find Projects/{Bratek,Lobster}/* /tmp/Backup/Projects -type d -path .git -prune -or -type l -name '*.so' -mtime -10 (find all .so symlinks modified less than 10 days ago not under a .git directory in the folders listed at the start)
 
user1804599
11:02 PM
What does -or apply to?
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, one is CSS, one contains simple boilerplate plumbing code, and one is a glorified database abstraction layer
 
user1804599
Huh, weird.
 
I don't have a database
 
@BartekBanachewicz The ViewModel just seems to be the class that glues Model and View together.
 
user1804599
For a moment Jalf's avatar was full-size instead of quarter-sized. :S
 
11:03 PM
Why do I need a database abstraction layer if I don't have a database
 
user1804599
Chat software is so fucked up.
 
@LucDanton I reckon you found it? It's a better xargs -Pn
 
@Jefffrey it all seems awfully complicated
 
@rightføld precedence, but you can group with () if you want
 
11:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz you need one! That's what the Model is for :p
 
well sure Model is my data
So View is my XAML, and ViewModel is Model<->View ?
 
user1804599
Woot
 
(I'm making fun of dumb design patterns, btw, in case that wasn't clear)
 
user1804599
Z shell globs can do levenshtein threshold.
 
lol @ people saying that FP is a gimmick and believing in OOP
wholeheartedly lol
 
11:07 PM
I've read the Haskell article about FRP and I still have no idea what it's all about.
 
it's sane functional approach to events
 
That just explains your opinion.
 
user1804599
@sehe ls {Projects/{Bratek,Lobster}/**~(.git)/*.so,/tmp/Backup/Projects/**~(.git)/*.so}(#q@‌​m-10)
 
holy christ rightfold, stahp, i'm having an heart attack
 
@Jefffrey it's a functional approach to events that bases on the fact that events come at some points in time, in sequence
 
11:08 PM
ok
i think everyone assumes that events happen in some sequence in time
i think that's actually part of the definition of "event".
still no idea what that practically means
 
Ell
I'm back
And I'm absolutely exhausted
I don't know why
 
did you have sex
 
Ell
Nooe
 
then i don't know why either
 
user1804599
@sehe Just for fun I also want to replace their names with .dylib in the output: echo {Projects/{Bratek,Lobster}/**~(.git)/*.so,/tmp/Backup/Projects/**~(.git)/*.so}(#q@‌​‌​m-10:s/so$/dylib/)
 
Ell
11:12 PM
@BartekBanachewicz it doesn't feel like events to me
IMHO more like declarative data
 
user1804599
And now it's time to sleep.
 
@Jefffrey instead of reacting to an event immediately with a mutating handler, you produce a transformation basing on a possible inputs to a stream
@Ell kinda
> All together around 35 real lines of C# code and about 18 lines of XAML.
 
@rightføld Night.
 
this example is OK
I'll use it tomorrow
and I'm exhausted too, so nighty night
 
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Ell kinda
This was the 20'000'000th message
 
user1804599
11:14 PM
@sehe or sort them numerically: echo ./*.sql(.n)
 
user1804599
This is especially useful. Obsoletes crappy -0 and xargs.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey lol wow
 
Actually it's ok.
 
Ell
I forgot what xRgs does
 
It's directed to Ell, and today is his birthday so he deserves that much. :)
 
Ell
11:16 PM
@Jefffrey aww thanks jefff :')
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey lol
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey I already know what I will make the 400000000th: knowyourmeme.com/photos/305927-4chan
 
user1804599
It'll be worth the ban.
 
user1646075
@rightføld wtf with the # operators? Is this in a shell? I can't see it in bash (but bash is retarded...)
 
Ell
Lol
 
user1646075
11:25 PM
@Jefffrey way to go bartek, septuples GET
 
user1646075
might be a wierd-ass shell like zsh? I demand an answer.
 
I want to see the original Dawn's panties image.
 
I DONT GET IT. :( — Huzaifa Imran 38 mins ago
ho boy
 
Ell
Man Im gonna have yo fill up my OJ already
 
OJ?
 
user1646075
11:29 PM
he wants to murder his wife in her sleep
 
also I feel like this answer needs some love /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
+1: Shame I had to scroll so far down for a decent answer to this question :( — Lightness Races in Orbit 18 secs ago
 
Ell
@jefffrey orange juuce
I refilled it and drank it again
That stuff is good
 
UML is useless
such wisdom
 
11:49 PM
@Lightness oh, indeed.
 
The Lounge effect has pushed it right up. Not enough to make it #1 but a strong #2 now. Thanks all.
 
Also, I'm sober. WTF
 
('twas way down at score 10 before)
 
user1646075
@MarcoA. it would be great to be so certain about everything, wouldn't it? /sigh
 
user1646075
@R.MartinhoFernandes easily fixed.
 
11:56 PM
I had three gin tonics already.
Where did I put my bicycle?
 
Ell
Boy I drank too much orange juice.
 
user1646075
@R.MartinhoFernandes and take a sturdy bag with towels. Don't want to break the precious bottles on the way home.
 
user1646075
crap to my network
 

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