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Ell
11:02 AM
I think Andy prowl is right about virtual concepts being language
I think I'll try emtypen at some point
Balls I forgot after shave
The bus will definitely turn up if I leave though
I need a timetable :L
 
@Ell I've been forgetting for a while now
 
Ell
I wish I could find my bus route on the internet
But my bus stop is a lamppost
I don't think it's even official
Do you guys ever do commits that break the build?
 
you're a world of talk this morning.
Of course you'll do commits that break the build, it's how you react to them that matters.
 
Commit early, commit often
 
Ell
I don't commit if it doesn't build
 
11:13 AM
Fixes can be squashed into broken commits for future bisecting
CI will tell you which commits are broken
 
Ell
I hope this bus comes
Can't believe I died on factorio -.- ah well
I needed to redo everything anyway
I'll be much more conscious this time
 
You can play on peaceful too
I want to learn pro bootstrap strats before I delve into hardcore tower defence
 
Ell
Yeah getting started is a pain
Its constant refactoring
Here it is
 
WAAAAAT
It's your birthday???
 
Ell
@Jefffrey yep
I can now drink in Canada iirc
 
11:20 AM
Here
Happy birthday.
Hope you are hungry.
Also this
 
Ell
@Jefffrey thank you :P
Its too sweet for breakfast food :P
 
happy birthday!
 
:)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what
 
@sehe that makes sense
we're also using C++11 supporting compilers "involuntarily" in the case of W8+ builds because VS2013 ships with them
 
11:27 AM
if you want to post food pictures, at least be classy >_<
 
@chmod711telkitty that plastic can spoils the picture
 
user1804599
Anyone here has PS3?
 
user1804599
I want to play Peace Walker multiplayer.
 
Mine is "?#"
 
I wish I was close to good sources of seafood, then I can live on a seafood & veges only diet ... & fruits
that would be healthy ... if we forget about cholesterol
 
11:38 AM
@BartekBanachewicz what what
 
@Borgleader Not quite the same.
 
oh, that
nothing really
 
cin >> mahFloat; doesn't print "ohnoes bad input", does it?
 
lel
also fuck people who write functions bool Get(IdType id, ValType& val)
 
Ell
What does it do
 
11:40 AM
it's probably an optional
 
@Ell well not that hard to figure
 
if (Get(someid, somevar))
   it's ok
else
   it's not
 
also remember you have to create somevar beforehand because fuck you
 
wow a bad api in c plus pls
 
#ifdef _DEBUG
#define _REEL_RENDER_DEBUG  0
#else
#define _REEL_RENDER_DEBUG  0
#endif
 
Ell
11:42 AM
Lol
 
it's getting hilarious
 
is that gamedev
 
Ell
Cmon bus leaaave
Its only 5 minutes till our show starts
 
@AlexM. lol why do you ask (yes it is)
 
I just wanted to make the joke too :(
I never did before
or is it a sad truth, and not a joke
@BartekBanachewicz go go bartek senpai
fix the reputation game developers have
refactor that mess!
 
11:46 AM
:D
no time for that.
also we're going for a full rewrite soon so there's little point in doing that
 
@BartekBanachewicz Looks like a copy&paste accident or just something that evolved into obsolescence, like the appendix in humans.
 
lol these articles have <ul> which has no <li>, instead there was a bullet.gif and items are separated with <br>s (now it's &bull; so Improvement)
 
I'm a little bit grumpy today. My bike got stolen :(
 
Ow.
Was it locked?
 
yep
 
11:53 AM
:(
 
locked and chained securely to something
 
At least you still have the helmet.
 
:p
 
I've always wanted to make that joke, but now I feel bad about it.
 
Yea because a helmet gets you places
 
11:54 AM
ah well, I just have to report it to the police, who won't give a fuck, just so I can tell the insurance company that it's been reported to the police
 
I'm not sure about the place where you live
but in my city there's this Facebook group for bike enthusiasts
 
@Columbo Here.
 
and thefts are reported there
people share the posts like crazy
and start searching for the bikes
usually, they find them
 
I am just following the basic of programming.With this also we can achieve this na??? — adam 3 mins ago
 
@jalf Oh wow, you have insurance?
 
11:56 AM
@AlexM. Copenhagen is one of the most bike-intensive cities in the world. Everyone rides bikes. You're not going to find any one single bike ever
 
Ell
I have bike insurance too
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sure. My regular insurance covers bike theft too
 
How much does that cost you?
 
@jalf ah shit
@jalf oh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what, the bike part of it?
 
11:59 AM
I guess, yeah.
 
I don't think it costs anything. It's pretty standard here. Just included as part of the package
can't remember how much I pay for the insurance overall
Not very helpful, I know :p
 
Xeo
I think my bike insurance is... 11eur / month
 
well, this one lasted 3 years. That's pretty good, all things considered
 
12:14 PM
obligatory Glory picture
<3
 
I love this error:
 Jar mismatch! Fix your dependencies
 
Dr Matt Taylor clearly trolled everyone there.
 
Ell
Jar mismatch, check your privelage
 
Well the mission is kind of a failure so what's more to say. If I was getting paid for years to put that lander on a comet & the mission failed, I would be crying too ...
freaking shirt is irrelevant
a $15 shirt vs billions of dollars down the drain, which worth crying more?
 
> Can we launch a Kickstarter project to land the feminazi movement on a comet? The world's collective IQ will raise by a few points.
lol
 
12:26 PM
why is that scientist even having a reaction to that
 
Xeo
s/raise/rise/
 
the level he lowered himself to explain his choice of clothing to a bunch of retards
 
6 mins ago, by Jefffrey
Dr Matt Taylor clearly trolled everyone there.
 
is equal to twice the last level in Diablo's campaign
 
He even hinted to crying. Come on people.
 
12:27 PM
I dunno it looked legit to me
 
He is enjoying every bit of that "interview".
His friend can barely contain the laughs.
 
but I can't watch the vid properly right now
to see it all
stupid bandwidth limits
 
@Jefffrey what feminazi movement? Looks like the criticism of him was, on the whole, pretty reasoned and sane. I'm pretty sure the "feminazis" are not the ones who caused this stupid thing to blow up
Also, apart from the scientific objectives for Philae, I believe a big part of the mission was also to draw more people into STEM fields. Making your field seem immature, and half the world's population feel unwelcome doesn't seem like the best decision ever.
Just depressing that people want to make a drama out of it all
 
those space explorations are surely expensive
 
Scientist does something awesome, people call out something lame when it happens. Both of those seem like things worth celebrating
 
12:33 PM
I love how the shirt got more news coverage than the lander's failure
 
@chmod711telkitty omg pls stahp
 
 
@chmod711telkitty Afaik, they don't consider it a failure. Why would they?=
 
no don't
 
It landed and operated for a couple of days. Afaik, ESA is pretty happy with that, even if the best-case scenario had been better still
 
12:34 PM
FUCK STD FILL WHY YOU NO RANGE INTERFACE
 
@jalf congrats, you were kittytrapped
 
she was baiting come on now
 
don't get kittytrapped
 
@AlexM. shrug
 
why is it not a failure, it's not doing what it's supposed to do: sending pictures & other data back to earth
 
12:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz coming with concepts
 
@chmod711telkitty It did send pictures and data back to earth :)
And I have no problem with humoring telkitty from time to time. It's hardly the end of the world, is it?
 
@Mgetz in c++17. Which means we'll start using it aroung 2019-2020
 
Ell
Not that far away :P
 
I'll be old as fuck in 2020
 
was that hard to make it std::fill(vec, true);
 
12:36 PM
it landed in the shadow with low power
 
Ell
Also not necessarily, clang implements stuff quickly
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz yes.
obviously
 
where did it get energy to do all those data transmissions?
 
fuck is p old afaik
 
std::fill(myShittyLongVecGetter()->GetShittyVec().begin(), myShittyLongVecGetter()->GetShittyVec().end(), true);
 
12:36 PM
@chmod711telkitty It didn't land with low power. And it didn't land in complete shadow
 
Ell
You want ranges to work with concepts though
 
lol @ whoever thought this was a good idea
 
Ell
@chmod711telkitty it will power up again when it gets closer to the sun
 
inb4 capture to reference
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz what is wrong with it?
 
12:37 PM
it didn't start low, but it's getting low because solar panels could not work well in the shadow
 
Ell
Besides verbosity
 
@chmod711telkitty No, it was getting low on the 15th. It's shut down now :)
Keep up, will you? ;)
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz [&, v = myShittyLongVecGetter()->GetShittyVec()]{ std::fill(v.begin(), v.end(), true; }();
!
 
@jalf lol jalf you're such a twat. that "half the world's population" bullshit is hilarious. did you count them?
 
She's low on power. Can't keep up.
 
12:38 PM
shut down now! now you say it, now it's dead, DEAD. What more of a failure could it be? Blowing up? >_<
 
lol
 
But it operated as intended for roughly 3 days. And I'm pretty sure that just getting it to the comet was considered a success. Anything else is just a nice bonus
 
@Ell you answered yourself
 
@Abyx plonk
 
12:40 PM
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
inb4 capture to reference
 
Xeo
auto& v = ...;
std::fill(v.begin(), v.end(), true);
vOv
 
also oh oh oh new potato warrior recruited
 
Xeo
also, don't have a ShittyVectorGetter :P
 
@Xeo I mean it's C++ code. It's not my pwetty potatoes. (I used range for)
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz you suck
 
12:41 PM
If I paid for a laptop, I wouldn't call it a success when it's delivered to my garbage bin with a no rechargeable battery which would only last 3 days ...
 
for (auto & e : myShittyLongVecGetter()->GetShittyVec())
    e = true;
@Xeo doesn't look that bad
 
@chmod711telkitty In case you missed it, they didn't send a laptop to the comet
 
I know it's bad, you know it's bad, but most of the people don't
 
@chmod711telkitty can you take this to one of the scientists and save us the bad analogies?
 
And I'd be pretty damn impressed if I had a laptop that would run at full power for 3 days
 
12:42 PM
I'm sure they'll love to hear why you think their mission was a failure
 
> Prior to falling silent, the lander was able to transmit all science data gathered during the First Science Sequence. [...] This machine performed magnificently under tough conditions, and we can be fully proud of the incredible scientific success Philae has delivered
from ESA
It got to its destination, it did a bunch of scientific experiments, it transmitted the results back to Earth. What a disaster that was :p
 
By NASA standards, it's a disaster.
 
Xeo
The comet didn't explode, I'd call that a disaster too.
 
@Xeo it didn't explode yet. :p
 
NASA craft have a history of outliving their planned operation time.
 
12:45 PM
To be fair, the chance of successful landing was small, maybe less than 20%
but it is clearly a failure
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not all of them, I'm pretty sure :)
 
I guess when years and years was spent on a project & it fails, anyone in that situation would get very emotional
 
It's clearly not a failure.
 
Ell
Troll is trolling
 
it's a disaster in NASA's standard, but not failure in your eyes. I get it :')
 
12:48 PM
also, this sounds pretty neat: a singing comet
 
lol @ people still getting kittytrolled
 
seriously telkitty is dumber than vector<bool>
2
 
shrug
If I had to ignore everyone who are dumber than vector<bool> I wouldn't get to talk to many people
8
 
vOv <---- shrug
 
12:50 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what's interesting is that she keeps coming back
no matter what
always here, always getting bashed
 
@jalf Are you implying I'm dumber than vector<bool>?
 
In Visual Studio, when I debug and step through the code, I am often stepping into the xmemory or xstring file. My understanding is these are files I don't edit, so is there any way to not step into them? I've googled this but I guess I don't know how to ask the question correctly
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: vector<bool> is a new measure of intelligence. [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
No, I'm implying that telkitty is no more or less dumb than a lot of people here and elsewhere in the world.
 
I was messing with you
 
12:53 PM
@Dave I don't think so, I typically just step out of them
never really researched that properly tho
 
and considering what a lot of trolls on the internet get up to, she seems fairly harmless
 
Thanks @BartekBanachewicz, I'll keep trying different searches in Google! Thank you :)
 
what will you do without me - just a bunch of dudes sitting in an online lounge chatting, it's getting very suspicous because the only other place that could happen is in a gay chatroom
 
Or anywhere else
 
12:57 PM
@jalf We want names.
Otherwise how can I know if I'm smart or not?
 
Do spanning trees have cycles?
can*
 
Trees don't have cycles by definition.
 
ok that makes sence
 
> sence
 
@jalf True, not all NASA craft had astounding successes, but when you look at things like the Voyagers, the Spirit rover (now over 20x its planned lifespan), and Cassini (though to be fair that was a joint effort with ESA), it's hard to not be impressed. They did have their share of catastrophic failures, though, and sadly more often with manned craft.
 
1:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz, 2 posts with similar answers on SO suggest not (avoiding xstring/xmemroy etc) ! Looks like it's just stepping over/out and in more carefully :(
 
I remember the Challenger disaster
it was almost like 911, much earlier, in a much tinier scale
 
Ell
I wonder what more I need than a kernel to run a programme
 
A computer!
 
Oh and btw we never landed on the moon
Feminists to the power!
 
1:03 PM
@Ell depends on the programme
 
Ell
Is it possible to "boot into" a kernel? I never really got what an OS is besides user space programmes and a kernel
 
WTF is happening.
 
@Ell you don't technically need a userspace
 
JS is awesome
 
userspace exists to prevent programs from sharing memory
 
1:04 PM
Or taking over everything else.
 
OS is an user interface on the kernel
 
@Jefffrey what
 
today is officially troll day
 
Ell
@Mgetz right yeah
Hmm
 
17th of november
 
1:06 PM
That's some kind of smoking thing day, no?
 
just because an idiot does not see the point of a profound remark does not make the remark trolling
 
@Ell remember that DOS' sole purpose was to provide structure for applications so they could run, but fundamentally each program WAS the kernel while it was running
 
Ell
If I wanted to the most basic hello world on Linux (no std lib)
 
^
each dos program could fuck up everything
I disconnected my keyboard permanently shitload of times
 
can't keep my eyes open, off to Zzz Zzz land
 
1:07 PM
had to reboot every time before I wrote "fix keyboard" tool I could run via windows 95 bat script using a mouse
 
and often did, if you read Raymond Chen's blog he describes the insane effort WIN16/WIN32 had to go through to prevent a lot of that crap
 
win95 was basically dos with gui
win98 was the first real improvement over that IIRC
 
@BartekBanachewicz actually it was the exact opposite, win3.1 was closer to that. 95 actually virtualized DOS completely
 
um well
was long time ago, I might have forgotten things
 
Ell
1:09 PM
Would it be possible to boot into the kernel and run the programme? I guess youd need a shell though. How does Linux know to start a shell on startup
 
read up on how OS's work
 
It runs the initial process.
 
@Ell doesn't really work that way
running kernel-space code in linux is done via kernel modules
you write a C program with a special interface and do an insmod on it
But there's where my knowledge of linux ends :S
 
Ell
I mean running it in user space
My question is
 
have you ever written a freestanding program?
 
Ell
1:11 PM
What is the smallest set of components that I need to run a programme in Linux user space
@BartekBanachewicz nope. Have you?
 
The kernel.
 
@Ell well, yes. My STM doesn't have an OS on it :P
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz oh. I forgot about embedded
Then yes I have :P
 
Plus whatever your program might need additionally.
But the kernel is fully equipped to launch userspace processes and that's in fact what it does when it starts.
It launches some variation of init and that takes care of checking configuration and whatnot and launching services and shit.
 
1:14 PM
@Ell well then
 
If you look at a process tree, you'll notice that init is at the root. All processes are its n-children.
 
lol puppy's question from 2013 just got a +500 bounty on it
 
user1804599
 
Ell
1:18 PM
Oh yeah
@tony that article is good
My train has stopped now though
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol torrents... 1928 called
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What?
I seed things.
 
Linux images, mostly.
 
1928
@BartekBanachewicz Who's Elliot Potts?
 
1:26 PM
Ell.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes true, no argument there. But I'm plenty impressed with Philae as well
 
@FredOverflow Dunno, ask Jon Kalb :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahhhh
I thought he was just called 'Ell' :(
@Ell Happy birthday you little git x
 
@jalf Oh, I hope I didn't carry across an idea that I'm disappointed or any such. I made that 'NASA standards' remark as a joke.
 
:)
 
1:34 PM
It might also have been the result of some vague impression I have that people think NASA isn't very successful.
Last week, my boss said something like "ESA put a lander in a comet; the Indians put a satellite in orbit around Mars; and what of NASA?" and I had to educate him promptly.
That said, fuck NASA for not going through with TiME :<
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes whoa, that looks interesting
well, looked
 
Scrapped for another Mars lander.
Fuck Mars.
I want space boats.
@AlexM. ESA's considering a similar mission, though.
 
1:57 PM
You put a boat on a rocket, take it across the emptiness of space, and drop it on a methane lake on a moon of the most beautiful planet. Saturn rising over the horizon of a methane lake, what a sight that would be! Pity the atmosphere is too opaque to see anything beyond it.
Now I want a KSP mod with boats.
 

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