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12:38 AM
@cigien Yeah. The main disagreement we continue to have is some mods feel that the paragraph being on that Help Center page for so long created de facto policy, whereas I don't think that's true, simply because it is in conflict with other aspects of the stated policy as well as how it was presented on the page (i.e., not as a closure reason).
But my understanding of the internal discussions is that we can just fix it.
I kind of avoided doing it myself, hoping someone else would step up, to avoid me being the lightning rod again a second time. But then I really just forgot all about it.
@cigien What are you talking about?
@RyanM It's not that hard to understand. Everyone has a limited amount of time they can dedicate to the site each day/week. So, if you fill that time with moderation-level tasks, you aren't filling it with posting answers.
 
Yep, that's my primary theory...but even when I look through, I don't find many questions to answer. Maybe that's just spending less time doing it, though.
 
@RyanM Imagine if they had like... a tool that you could use to interactively step through your code and see the problems unfold in front of your eyes! That'd be even more useful than an error message.
 
@Scratte I guess I should note one exception to that...I do occasionally answer questions that ask for something impossible and say it's not possible. Those often get closed with one of the various "that's impossible" reasons (off-site resources, needs details or clarity, or needs more focus).
 
Oh, that's not true for me. There are still tons of questions I could answer. I mean, plenty that shouldn't be answered. You do have to look. But it's not as if there aren't any anymore.
@RyanM Ugh, that's stupid. None of those are "that's impossible" reasons.
 
They're not...great questions, usually. But someone wanted to know, and maybe someone else will in the future.
@CodyGray Perhaps one day I'll write a meta rant polite reminder that impossible questions aren't off-topic or unclear.
 
12:44 AM
@RyanM Yes! See "the long tail of programming questions". That one is now fixed, BTW.
 
Thanks! I probably should have polished that a bit, in retrospect...
It looks much better now
 
Also... aren't there sort of ways to do what they want?
Like, not with an SMS signal tower, but can't you set up some kind of NFC device to send broadcast messages to users in the area?
Haven't stores and museums done similar things?
@RyanM Incoming "Why did this moderator reopen this question? Is he abusing his powers?" Meta question in 3...2...1..
 
Certainly not NFC, the range of that is ~10cm
 
As they walk by...
 
There are BLE beacons that can show messages to nearby people, but that's still on the order of feet rather than a cell tower range.
There was a demo of this at Google I/O one year with a candy machine that you could remotely trigger...
 
12:49 AM
Yes, it would be a much shorter distance, of course.
Why does Apple think it's "evening" when I log in to iCloud? Why are they wishing me a "Good evening"? It's not even 5:00 PM in my timezone.
 
Ah, it got shut down because, shockingly, people used it to send spam: android-developers.googleblog.com/2018/10/…
 
@RyanM I'd repeat what Cody was saying.. but I'm trying to not make it a habit.
 
@Scratte By the way, I don't believe this is correct: note that Cody's message is still on the starboard, but is no longer pinned.
 
1:04 AM
@RyanM That is very odd. I remember the Winter Bash pinned messages just disappeared, which was quite annoying, since I used them to open up the various links.
Perhaps they were pushed out by more recent messages also being starred.
 
Depending on the room, they may disappear quite suddenly if people star a lot of messages
 
It was a very active room. The quest to find triggers had lots of users in there.
I quite like the wording of it.. the negative side of the entire thing. The Answers all flip it around :)
 
It's up to 4 reopen votes now. Related, it's kind of silly that it takes 3 Leave Closed votes but 5 Reopen votes...
although I guess that's kind of fair: since it got 5 close votes, there's a valid (but rebuttable) presumption it's close-worthy
 
Argh!.. The new review UI is in effect :(
Did I mention that I'm not a fan of all that wasted real estate?
Why oh why... when they know that it's easier to read a narrow block, do they expand it so?
 
@Scratte Yeah, remember there was a big starring fest in here during Winter Bash to try to earn a hat? That's almost certainly what pushed yours out.
I would have been happy to pin a "handy links" message, like they do in Charcoal.
 
1:18 AM
@CodyGray I think they created a new room for that, as the room wasn't parented.
 
They did, but it still happened in here, too. In fact, Wiktor's message about it is still at the bottom of the current starboard.
 
Heh.. yes, I see that :)
 
One of the few that was posted that was actually star-worthy.
 
What to do about that new review thing, now?
 
What do you mean?
Are you asking if we should stage a protest against the review queue redesign?
 
1:21 AM
The filter and the "Your daily reviews 0 /20" doesn't need it's own full big block. It can fit easily on the top.
@CodyGray Heh.. I think that would be futile :)
 
My response to my hatred of the review queues was to run for moderator.
I suppose that option may not be scalable for everyone.
But it certainly solved the problem for me.
 
But I do imagine it would take me several days to rearrange it, so I didn't have to scroll all that much and make it possible for me read the posts without have to move my eyes from all the way on the left to all the way to the right side.
I quite liked the right sidebar with all the pertinent information on it.
I understand they're going to put all the buttons in the sidebar instead of having them at the top, like here
 
Ugh, that looks bad.
 
Which one?
 
The first link.
I would bet a significant sum of money that Ruben asked that question.
I would be wrong.
 
1:26 AM
That's what gave me a meltdown for a moment there.
 
Buttons in the sidebar, versus the top, doesn't seem awful.
 
It will not be buttons. It will be radio buttons.. and a submit button.
 
Wouldn't you prefer that? You had expressed concern before about fear of exploration because of the fear that stuff would auto-submit before you were ready.
I don't mind slowing reviewers down a bit, either.
(Although there needs to be a "clear" option...)
 
I find the new interface extremely hard to scan, but I can't tell if that's just because I'm used to the old one.
 
You can still misfire, no?
 
1:28 AM
No, it's objectively hard, because it's different from the normal site UI.
 
it takes more clicks to misfire
 
I also changed that and removed all the buttons I didn't want
 
Sigh.
"The key features of the site that I'm opting out of for... reasons"
 
@RyanM Yes, that's what I also found.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, that's my tentative thinking as well.
 
1:31 AM
I really didn't like the change to the Triage queue with two separate buttons for flagging a post. That made the entire thing much more confusing. New users expressed as much too. They're already confused about the many options and which click leads to another dialog.
So I removed the "Needs community edit" completely and renamed the "Needs author edit" to "Flag"
 
@CodyGray my initial reaction was "What do you mean, he did..." and then it hit me...and I had been aware of the issue already.
 
@RyanM Yes.
I know that he didn't, and I still want to bet money that he did.
 
I'm going to guess it's going to take a long time for a non-javascript developer to change the new UI though. Since it's not just a rearrange of components. It also needs to submit when clicking a button.
 
Do you mean to develop a userscript?
 
Yes, that's what I meant.
 
1:35 AM
Shouldn't be hard at all. We already have the routines to submit a POST action with the necessary info.
Add the buttons you want, wire up that existing function, and you're done.
 
I think you misunderstand. I don't know how to do that.. and while I fiddle with it, I can't test it without pressing a button.
 
Use the Chrome inspector, review a task correctly, and capture the output to see what is sent back to the server.
Then copy that and wire it up yourself.
 
So.. when I fiddle with, I'll probably have to press the button around 50 times before I finally get the userscript right. I'll be review suspended before I'm ever done :D
 
Or, like I said, use what I'm sure is an existing function in an existing userscript.
 
@CodyGray Yes. I'll have to do a more extensive tutorial, I suppose first.
When I try to work out what existing scripts do, I get very confused and so far.. I've just sort of given up on it :)
Like the Natty Reporter. I can't work out how it's highjacking the normal flagging dialog.
I think there's just something fundamental, that I'm not understanding. Which I would if I had the time to do the various tutorials though.
 
1:42 AM
I just worked out everything I know about it on-the-fly.
I don't have time for long tutorials.
 
I'm not bright, like you..
 
Hmm.
 
Another example is the autoreview comments. Every time I restart my browser, I have to load the comments. I tried to add them into the script itself, but all I get (unless they're predecined targets) are "undefined".
But if I use the dialog after a restart, I can load them into the script by pasting them in via the UI.
 
@CodyGray (regarding my alleged sockpuppetry training camp) Amusingly, I have actually used basically that trick...when reviewing in Charcoal. The buttons are always in the same spot, so occasionally when I've identified a string of posts that I need to give the same feedback on, I'll do that.
 
Can't you give bulk feedback more easily from chat messages?
@Scratte That's...weird. They should save in your local storage. I've never had an issue.
 
1:47 AM
they're not always directly in a row
e.g., the result of a search
 
Well. I have messages like ###[Q] Clarifications-comments Kindly edit your Question to include clarifications. Do not add those in comments. which have a target, the [Q]. But I also have messages like ### English Kindly use.. which do not have targets. I haven't figured out a way to add them in as default messages directly in the userscript.
 
@Scratte The stack code is in general a good read, I mean, just look at this snippet: e.loadPopup({ 'url': '/posts/{postId}/fancy-deletion-prompt'.formatUnicorn({, the fancy deletion prompt url gets formatted by a unicorn :p
 
@Nick You already lost me :)
 
@Scratte Um? Just ### English is perfectly sufficient. It will show for all types of posts.
@Nick You are making this up, of course. The code is minified.
 
@CodyGray That... is the minified code
 
1:55 AM
On an unrelated note, prefer "Please" for that usage of "Kindly".
 
@CodyGray Yes, and it will load into storage if you use the user interface to put it there. But that's not what I meant. I want to add it into the code of the user script as a default comment.
 
Oh.
Why not use the user interface?
 
Like, some of the stack code is really weird: if(StackExchange.cardiologist.isHeartBeating()) :p
 
Because I use incognito, and hence I have to load them in every single time I restart my system.
Or if I "drop" my browser by accident and restart it.
 
@Nick That's not weird. Heart beats are a common way of checking that a connection is still alive. I think that's super clever.
Oh. You use incognito mode for normal browsing?
That's...weird.
 
1:58 AM
@CodyGray I alternate between Kindly and Please. I don't like three sentences with Please in the beginning of them all. But.. out of curiosity, what's wrong with "Kindly"?
 
It doesn't make sense to use Incognito mode for sites where you log in as yourself.
 
@CodyGray Always.
 
@Scratte It's archaic, and is often perceived as not being a direct synonym of "please". People tend to add other shades of meaning that you don't intend (like, impatience).
 
@CodyGray Surely it should be cardiologist.checkHeartBeating(), we want to know if the patients heart is beating, not if the cardiologists is :p
 
@CodyGray Oddly, I've never had a bad response to them.
 
2:00 AM
@Scratte In that context, if you say please I might consider what you're saying, if you say kindly... I'd reject what you're saying and ignore you as pretentious
 
But.. "kindly" is probably a Canadian thing ;)
@Nick Strange still.. "if you would be so nice as to help me with.."
 
Oh look there's an ELL question on it, with an answer that agrees with me :p ell.stackexchange.com/a/134358
> Indians say "kindly" and to me a native Brit, it seems like they are passively-aggressively suggesting I be kinder than I usually am when doing what they request.
 
@Nick Oh, true. Also, utility classes are dumb.
 
@CodyGray Agree
 
Yeah, I mean... rarely are people going to get upset at you for using "kindly" instead of "please". That's just ridiculous. But that lack of a bad response doesn't make it correct.
 
2:03 AM
@Nick They just never saw "Due South".. like the rest of the world.
 
What's Due South?
 
Exactly! :D
I came to favour "kindly" after that..
 
> In the UK, Due South was first broadcast on Tuesday 9 May 1995
Ah
It's too old for me to have seen it
 
Yeah, because they never re-broadcast TV shows.
 
To me "kindly" has less of a "Could you PLEASE!!! not use foreign on this site"
Also, I watched all the episodes on youtube a few years ago ;)
 
@CodyGray They did, but that was when i was 14ish and didn't watch TV
@CodyGray ninja'd :p
 
Why is nobody referring to the most upvoted Answer on that post? :P
 
> "Kindly" is seen in America as being old-fashioned and overly formal. Not incorrect, but rare and getting rarer.
 
So.. I'm rare.
 
2:08 AM
What that answer doesn't mention is that, due to this lack of use, it's taken on other connotative meanings to people, which are likely not at all what you intend.
See the newest 2 answers to that question as examples of the kind of additional layers of implications that people add on top of "kindly" because its usage is so rare.
 
@Scratte Well, that answer is exclusively about AmE usage... I'm British
 
I don't know how to link to Quora answers, but... I quite like this one by Michael Wright, a former lecturer at the University of Auckland:
> “Please” is the normal, natural word to make a request polite. “Kindly” is not normal, sounds a bit contrived, and I can think of two uses.
>
> The first is in tortured commercial-speak: “We request our customers to kindly put their baggage in the overhead lockers” (now I’m on the aeroplane I’m a passenger BTW), or even “We kindly request our valued customers….”
>
> The other is when you're being a bit snarky: “Could you give me a bit more room, please?” means “There’s no reason you should have realised this, but if you move along a bit we can all be comfortable, thank you, <smile>.”
 
Yup
 
Kindly stop using "kindly" in place of "please". :-)
 
“Could you please give me a bit more room” would to me have the same meaning.
 
2:12 AM
Also, this is weird: AmE and BrE speakers aren't supposed to be in agreement about these sorts of nuances. My tendency to agree with @Nick seems to have eroded my good sense!
 
Hmm.. I'll consider it. Though, I'm trying to bring it back into fashion, and someone told me that change comes with small incremental steps.
 
@CodyGray It's almost like you can... see clearly
 
Why should it come back into fashion?
Kindly already has a meaning... "He thanked me kindly" -> means that they did so in a kind way.
@Nick Even with my boring, monochromatic eyes!
 
It's nice and kind and just asks for someone to consider something. For me it's in direct contrast to "Post in English. Thank you!" <-- That thank you is just aggravating to me.
 
@Scratte Why stop at kindly, prithee, bring back prithee
 
2:14 AM
Yes, saying "thank you" in advance can be seen as passive-aggressive.
 
Tanks are advancing?!
 
@Nick I can't use a word that I do not know :)
 
@Nick Or the non-abbreviated form: "I pray thee..."
 
Ohh.. doesn't praying have religious connotations?
 
@Scratte I consider that far more polite and kind than "Kindly use English in your posts"
 
2:16 AM
@Nick So, we differ in that :) A lot.
My thought on that kind of "Thank you" is "What an ... that person is to thank me as if it's a given I'll follow up on that like it's an order of some kind!"
"If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you. Thank you!"
 
And my thought of that kindly is: "You idiot, you should be using English in your posts"
 
@Nick According to someone, not using English on a post is an offense as bad as being rude/abusive ;)
 
It is, the site is blatantly English and anyone not posting in it is clearly just trying to waste peoples time
 
But I'll highly recommend "Due South" :)
I could also remove all those niceties from comments. Then I won't offend anyone :P
 
2:35 AM
Another gem from a regex Question. Answer amounts to "Don't use regex".
 
Perfectly valid answer depending on the question
 
2:47 AM
@Nick I know, but this wasn't one of them. One of Wiktor's real pearls is on that post :)
 
 
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4:21 AM
@RyanM I haven't given too much thought to why that's the case for me; I've kind of been assuming that I just don't have the time to do both moderation, and answer questions (also Charcoal for the last couple of months). But now that I think about it, one aspect is definitely that I recognize better when a post is likely to get closed, particularly as a duplicate.
@CodyGray I see. I didn't imagine you would be averse to being the center of attention ;) If not you, who else? It still has to be a mod right, since regular users can't edit those pages. If you're busy, or otherwise uncomfortable doing it, I could ask one of the willing mods to step up, if that would do any good.
@CodyGray It seems you found the post I'm referring to, and voted to reopen. Or are you asking about the "that's ... interesting" part, or something else entirely?
@Nick Ha, that's true. We do use that a lot, but with none of the negative connotation really :) That's probably true of a lot of the non Brit world.
 
@Scratte Yes, just as it's offensive to stand up during a meeting and yell unintelligible gibberish.
@Scratte Fantastic answer. We call this a "frame challenge".
Or, my favorite: "You're doing it wrong!"
 
 
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7:12 AM
@CodyGray Urgh!.. I did not need to see that face.
 
Remember when we used to dislike that guy, and think he was the worst president ever?
 
@cigien Maybe I'm Indian :)
@CodyGray I'm not going to share the content of the images that still comes into my head when I see his face. Just because there's another bad one, doesn't make this one better :)
 
argh, why did I look at the suggested edits queue, half these reviewers need to be suspended...
 
@cigien Yes, it would have to be a mod. No, I'm not averse to being the center of attention, but... once bitten, twice shy and all that. In order to ask "one of the willing mods", you'd have to know who they were, it seems.
@cigien No, I was asking which post. Scratte already linked me to it, I think. Or maybe I found it while perusing the home page. I don't recall.
@cigien Indian English is just an absolute butchery of so much of the language. I can't stand it.
@Scratte It... does. I thought it wouldn't, but it really does.
@RyanM Not picking up this thread. Do not want to unravel an entire pashmina...
 
7:29 AM
@CodyGray Maybe for you. Not for me. Sorry. No horrible event can make another bad event good.
@RyanM Because they approve or reject? I remember Cody said that unless it's really bad, approve or approve and edit :)
 
@Scratte I didn't say "good". I said better.
Murder is better than genocide, for example. Neither are good.
@Scratte That's...not exactly what I said.
 
@CodyGray Oops. That's what I remember. Please (kindly), tell me what's wrong with it.
 
"Really bad"
I definitely didn't say that
I said if it improves the post, then approving it is reasonable.
 
@Scratte Usually because they approve blatantly wrong edits that make posts worse.
 
@RyanM I do not! Oh...
 
7:36 AM
I was in the middle of flagging a review that approved a code change that added a bug...but then I realized it also fixed a different bug...
It also did other things I disagree with, but in this case everyone's wrong, so I'm going to not flag that one and just fix it myself
 
You have no idea just how many moderator flags and/or Meta posts fit perfectly into that situation that you just described. "Hmm, let me look into this. <A while later.> Sigh, everyone's wrong; let me just fix it myself..."
 
hahaha. I can only imagine...
 
@CodyGray Right. Even if it's a tiny little thing. Most users that I have heard talk about this say "If it's too minor it must be rejected". I noticed a lot of those in the bad review room.
Where some users had approved a small edit.
 
Yeah. That goes against the intent of the edit system.
There used to be a "too minor" rejection reason. It was removed. Hint much?
We now have "no improvement whatsoever", which captures what the intent of "too minor" was.
 
But that's not the same though. I never read "no improvement whatsoever" as too minor. I read it more literally, as if they change from American English to British English. I once noticed a 3 being changed to three. And while it's probably more correct, it made the number harder to isolate, so I didn't know what to do.
 
7:45 AM
And... remember that truly minor edits can't even be submitted at all. You have to change at least 6 characters.
@Scratte Yes, that's how you're supposed to read it. It's intentionally much more narrow than "too minor".
 
How about changing all Q's into q's. Is that too minor? :D
 
I do not consider grammar/spelling improvements to be "too minor" or "no improvement".
 
Yes, you're right. Those were just unnecessary :)
 
You don't tell the editor of an encyclopedia that their grammar edits are "too minor".
 
I know you like to think that it is, but Stack isn't an encyclopedia. It's a big mess of things sometimes searchable. Meta is certainly not, and will never be, as it expresses opinion. And everyone can 1. change their opinion every new time they're asked about it. 2. Have an opinion on every subject. :)
 
7:52 AM
I don't see how that matters. Failing to achieve your aspirations doesn't make those aspirations any less relevant.
 
So basically: Meta has the full potential of being the Cartesian product of all opinions.
 
The fundamental principle is that content here has lasting value, so making even minor improvements is useful, since they'll continue to benefit readers for the long term.
 
And.. since posts are often deleted, it's not even a real place to store value or opinion. You'll know you've read this once, but can't find it. Either because 1. Your search is wrong or 2. The post is gone :D
 
@Scratte you'll be pleased to know that I've now tossed in a flag for bad reject votes.
 
I have very little trouble finding things on Meta.
 
7:55 AM
@CodyGray That is true. But calling it something that was a failed dream, doesn't make it the dream. You can still have the dream. It just doesn't apply to the thing.
 
There really aren't that many answers that get deleted, except by their authors.
It's our guiding principle. Not a failed dream.
 
@RyanM Heh.. I'm always on the fence about reviewing since I'm fearful of another review-ban.
I usually don't look for the Answers. More the Questions.
 
Rants that have no value get deleted, for sure.
I usually don't look for those.
 
Hmm.. I do. When I see a new one that reminds me of another one.
 
@Scratte A datapoint for you: I have ~14,000 reviews, and I've only ever been review-suspended once, for a blatantly wrong use of "Requires editing" before I knew what it meant.
 
7:59 AM
"because the button was labeled incorrectly" FTFY
 
also that
 
I've only got 3000 actual reviews. (I assume we're not counting Skip), and I already have two suspensions.
 
For what? Failing audits?
Ah, no. Manually imposed. Well.... I can't say I disagree with either of those suspensions.
 
No.. moderator imposed ones. One for a bad review, the other we discussed here where the reason was "no effort"-should be closed.
I still understand that post. I still find it to be clear and focused.
 
It links to an off-site resource, as the comment points out.
The question is not self-contained. I have to look at the image to understand what they're talking about. And it's an image of text.
 
8:01 AM
The first or the second?
NO, you don't
 
You've incorrectly deduced that the problem with the question is that it is "no effort". That's not true at all.
 
It's explained.. the image is for context.
@CodyGray No, I went to ask the moderator. They told me.
 
Your comment there is, in fact, completely irrelevant. It's replying to someone who didn't even ask to "post some code".
 
I don't even remember the comments anymore.
 
8:04 AM
It's an image of an example.. it's not pertinent to the post or to the understanding of what they want to do. And the image is not off-site. It's an imgur image.
 
I disagree.
The question makes no sense whatsoever, and the only thing that even remotely tries to explain is an image.
An image of text, which we don't allow.
 
It's stock pricing..
 
It's poorly written, but I can understand it without the image, which should just be removed.
 
If the sign of a value stays with the previous sign, it's OK. If the sign of the current value goes to positive (from a previous negative), put a "buy". It if goes to a negative from a previous positive, put a "sell".
 
the fact that they change requirements halfway through the question is...unhelpful
 
8:08 AM
That's just their bad writeup :)
 
Yeah.
 
they start out with "yes"/"no" then switch to "buy"/"ok"/"sell"
 
There's absolutely no defense for that question. It's hopelessly unclear.
 
and the image adds...nothing of any use
 
Yes. That's a bad writeup.
 
8:09 AM
When reviewing, if you think something is clear that others don't, then that's a sign you should be editing. Which is, I believe, an option in the review queues.
 
I think they put it there to avoid the closure hoping people would see that it's not a homework post.
I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can find that post unclear!
Not even the slightest. It's so blatantly obvious to me, that I can still not understand how you or anyone else don't get it.
 
It's probably the least clear question I've seen all day of looking at low-quality questions.
You keep making assumptions that people are voting to close it because they think it's homework or something, but best as I can tell, those assumptions are unfounded.
 
I can't tell if there were other comments on the post. It's been a while.
 
There, I fixed it.
 
This post is not unclear. It never was.
The link is not off-site. It's imgur
 
8:15 AM
That's off-site.
On-site would have a stackoverflow.com domain.
 
No, it's an image, that's not inlined. There's noway to add an image without imgur.
 
i.stack.imgur.com is on-site in my book
 
^ that
 
On- or off-site is really a red herring here, though. The actual problem is that images of text aren't allowed, regardless of where they're hosted.
 
It's not text other than an example of a graph of sorts.
It's extra.. it's context. That's it.
They list numbers going from positive to negative in text too.
 
8:18 AM
It's literally the only thing in the post that makes any sense to me.
 
Does it make sense after I edited it?
 
And... I'm not a visual person. I'm a person who ignores diagrams in textbooks in favor of reading the English description.
 
That's a bad excuse. "I'm a person that need to smell the text to understand it, so everything on Stack is just too unclear to me"
 
I enjoy when people accuse me of having reading comprehension problems.
 
In this case, I'd say you do. There are already three people who understood that post.
 
8:21 AM
@CodyGray anyway I'd just like to second this point from Cody, since it's a great way to deal with posts where you can make out a shred of clarity from a bad writeup.
 
There are two criminally underused features on this site: (1) downvoting, and (2) editing.
 
Hmm. This is when I just slowly back out.. the edit part.
 
If you aren't going to edit posts, you really are just going to have to expect that they will get closed.
And I don't really have any sympathy for complaints about it.
 
I save so much time arguing over the merits of posts by just giving the posts more merit.
 
Heh. Nice.
 
8:24 AM
@CodyGray So it's OK to close post instead of editing it? :)
 
Yes!
Someone else can edit it, and it can be reopened.
 
That makes it very easy to close anything. There's be a little typo or punctuation error on every post. But I'll remember this one if I ever get called out for misusing the close vote privileges.
 
Surely there's a meaningful difference between a grammar error and changing the requirements halfway through the post or other things that make a post meaningfully unclear.
 
Surely that little typo made it impossible for me to understand the post at all. It just made all my focus go there and I can't help being pedantic.
 
Uh, yeah.
I don't know what to say to that straw man.
But, yeah, if you genuinely cannot understand a post due to typographical errors, then voting to close it is a reasonable course of action.
 
8:28 AM
The thing about "it's not clear to me" is that it can always fly.
I don't know anything about PHP. They're all unclear to me. Same goes with C.. those little & and * make my head confused.
@RyanM I'd say it's more clear now :)
Oh.. it was also closed as "Lacks focus" :D Not unclear.. I'm dying here
 
If you know the difference between those two close reasons, I'd love to hear it.
 
One is a common proxy of "homework / no effort".
 
Do you mean "both"?
 
9:02 AM
I don't see a lot of no-effort posts being closed as unclear. Mostly as "unfocused". I may be missing some of the closures. I did roam the closed posts a lot though, so I'd be surprised if I missed that as a general thing.
On the topic of "Interview coding puzzles". "Rotate an array by k places in O(1) space" seems to be a thing :(
 
What does "rotate an array" mean?
 
Rotate the elements of the array. So 1,2,3,4 rotated by 1 would make is become 2,3,4,1 since all elements are "rotated" one to the left.
Of course we all need to be able to do this, since that's very common in programming. And we obviously need to do it in O(1) space :D
 
Ah. Maintain two pointers, and just swap values.
Or... "two indices into an array" for those of you using pointer-challenged languages.
 
It could be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and rotate by 3.
I'm not sure swapping is going to be helpful.
 
Oh yeah, no.
 
9:09 AM
Also.. try to not move a value more than the once :D
 
I got confused, thinking about something you might actually do, e.g., when changing endianness.
I do more bit-style manipulation than the average programmer, but I can't say I've ever once needed to "rotate" an array.
 
No. That's my point exactly. And those puzzles really annoy me. It takes me a while to understand a solution even. Finding one is not done in less than an hour.. unless I get a hint or I'm just a little lucky in my inner brain NP-solving skills that particular day.
 
Well, you just brute-force it.
But that majorly sucks.
 
How? You can't use another array.. it must be in O(1) space.
 
Right. Use a loop.
 
9:13 AM
Sure.. but what if it's 1,2,3,4,5,6 and rotate by 2. Then you can't use modulus to find the next item anymore.
 
You rotate by 1. Then you rotate by 1 again. Then you rotate by 1 again...
 
Ahh.. OK :) Yes, that will work :)
 
1 min ago, by Cody Gray
But that majorly sucks.
 
At least you did it :) You're ready to go job-hunting :)
 
// Rotate a total of k times.
for (size_t i = 0; i < k; ++i)
{
     // Rotate array by 1.
    auto temp = array[length - 1];
    for (size_t j = length - 2; j --> 0; )
    {
        array[j + 1] = array[j];
    }
    array[0] = temp;
}
...I think. (Untested.)
In a lovely pseudo-C/C++ hybrid. :-)
Also, wow. The chat textbox is terrible for writing code. It's too small, as usual.
And, no. Code is wrong.
Bleh.
This stopped being fun.
 
 
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10:29 AM
Hehe.. we had a understanding session in the user script room :)
 
You figured out how to write userscripts?
 
No.. :)
We were discussing the interview problem.
It's like a catch all room ;)
 
10:48 AM
What a crazy idea.
It's almost as if we already have one of those.
 
We do.. it's nice :)
Have you noticed that none of us are wearing hats?
 
How do you know?
I thought I turned my webcam off...
@AdrianMole So, as it happens, I just came across the question about the sines of large numbers. It had a "too many comments" flag. :-)
As usual, lots of misinformation there... :-(
 
@CodyGray You forgot the blinds?
 
@Scratte No... I have aluminum foil up on the windows in my office. :-)
 
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