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2:01 PM
That's left for the reader to decide
 
Speaking of which I have made this shot about, I think it looks good even if this is just a "2D" representation
 
and "pwiz gimme the code"
 
@DEAD Voting to close that message as "unclear what you're saying" >.<
 
test:
 
Guten [tag:!]
 
2:02 PM
@Machavity got it ! ThankS Yew vry mash
 
@kayess Looks nice! :D
 
@Seth Thanks, although it's kinda broad :D
 
wuhuuuu @Machavity done
 
@FirstStep Good job
 
test:
@Machavity I missed the second part though. thank you
 
2:04 PM
The tag is necessary so they can clean the logs later
 
@FirstStep the SecondStep might be that you install the "official" cvplz generator script and make a good use of it :)
 
@kayess I am in the middle of QT qmake cmake nmake all make random stuff. Like a piiip surgery when I am supposed to be the operations doctor but I don't even have a nursery associate degree :D Mr Been kind of thing (the movie with the M&M sketch)! so maybe later
 
Fishy. Old user though (2 years).
 
@Seth Rants on meta.SO
 
@DEAD Flags rant as rude/offensive
 
2:08 PM
@FirstStep so you run make all --random ?:D
 
It is indeed spam. Registration contact for that domain shows "Abhishek Kumar"
 
@kayess I have no idea.. sometimes it works and I don't know why.. sometimes it does not work and I still don't know why
at this point I just want to die younger
 
@FirstStep Miracle occurs
 
@FrankerZ Kumar is one of the most common names in india though (AFAIK).
 
@Braiam I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
2:11 PM
Fishy, but no clear indicator.
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
@TylerH there you go
 
ta
 
@gunr2171 -Epedant: actually, he just moved it to the end of the post
 
meh, "moving" involves "deleting" and "inserting"
 
2:19 PM
@gunr2171 Hey gunr, I'd like to feed Smokey feedback. What are the steps / do I qualify? o:
 
@Seth You need to sacrifice something
 
@DEAD I can sacrifice 60-ish flags per day :]
 
Is this Q is no mcve and A is VLQ ?
 
@Seth head over to the charcoal chat room
 
@Seth you have enough rep, just ask the operators of the bot to add you to the list
 
2:21 PM
@gunr2171 That's where I just came from :c
 
@TylerH Woot. Was there a rep requirement?
 
I got told that I should go here first :p
 
@DEAD about 300 rep
 
@DEAD ~300 rep
 
Fancy
I feel so officiated now.
 
2:22 PM
I thought it was 3k.. :p Luckily that isn't the case.
 
@Seth ok, then I'll ask the RO's
 
@gunr2171 Thanks :]
 
It used to be that you could register yourself IIRC or at least request yourself, but they've since locked it down a bit more due to too many false positives being flagged
 
@TylerH I see :p
 
How does one get added to SmokeDetector's privilege list? Somebody in specific I need to ping or anything? :)
 
2:24 PM
@Oldskool Ask the ROs :p
 
RO meaning Room Owner.
 
talk to the people in the charcoal room, they let you into the system. Also talk to the RO's of the room you wish to give feed back in (charcoal, SOCVR, etc)
 
@DEAD I'm aware, thanks :-)
 
Like rene the flower, gunr the N, etc.
 
gunr the N... that's a new one.
 
2:25 PM
Hmm whats with the N? gunr is the new N or ?
 
@kayess @Seth My name is Kevin, backwards is Nivek. My fake company name is "Nivek Inc", hence the avatar is a big N and sideways I.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks. I'd like to give feedback to SmokeDetector in SOCVR, so hi! :-)
 
@gunr2171 Kevin!!! Fake company name, how do you mean that ?
 
no, not that kevin. I'm not that cool.
@Seth got some bad news for you :(
yesterday, by rene
@dorukayhan from this room you'll need 1K rep but the folks over at charcoal HQ don't have restrictions I believe.
!!/help
 
@gunr2171 I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
 
2:38 PM
!!/amiprivileged
 
@TylerH Yes, you are a privileged user.
 
@Oldskool for our room, smokey feedback is something you can get once you're a regular. the longer you stick around, the more you can identify the patterns of spam and not-quite spam. It's really easy to give the wrong feedback, especially if people bandwagon on it.
 
@gunr2171 Sounds good. I'll stick around and report the stuff that I find.
 
sweet!
 
godaddy might need close votes ...
 
2:41 PM
oh
 
I've been slowly going through godaddy posts with no cv's over the last few days
 
Most godaddy posts seem to be closed already or are rather old.
 
we are burninating the tag so we're seeing all of them, age aside
 
@Oldskool yeah, we are on it for a week already
 
It's been a long time since we did a tag burn of this scale
 
2:46 PM
@gunr2171 Ahh, I see :)
@gunr2171 Oh well.
 
yeah, sorry
then again, more motivation to get more rep!
 
what's the daily limit on the LQP queue?
 
<serious> Good idea, I'll start editing commatas out @ docs right now! </notreallyserious> :P
 
"a".ToString();
 
@Oldskool I would suggest you start here. We've closed a lot and deleted even more (we're starting to need just as many delete votes)
 
2:47 PM
nvm, just hit 40
 
@TylerH it depends ...
 
@TylerH 20 unless the queue is over 500 IIRC
 
I love how many of those questions are in the form "I've read the manual, tested it locally and it should work, but on godaddy it doesn't"
 
@Braiam sounds like godaddy is the error, they should shut down operations
:-)
 
I feel that they should have found the common denominator
 
2:51 PM
when you get to [mysql], most are "I have this connection string, but it won't connect!"
 
@gunr2171 "just because you have a connection string, it will magically connect"
 
you sound like a Product Manager
 
@Braiam We all have MySQL servers hosted at localhost, right?
 
unless you hate Oracle, then it's MariaDB or Postgresql
 
@Braiam You've reviewed 40 posts today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 44 minutes and 46 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 minute and 7 seconds.
 
2:55 PM
@Closey I got distracted
@Closey room stats
 
@Braiam 2 members (6% of this room's registered reviewers) have processed 49 review items, which accounts for 5.21% of all CV reviews today.
 
@Shadow @RiggsFolly we can do better than that answer half an hour ago, no?
Speaking of which, Bill could have done a better job with his book
 
@Closey so happy to see that updated percentage :-))) Thanks again @Sam
 
Sam
np :)
 
If I go by that number, it means that only two users have done 1/20 of all reviews today?
we need more reviewers to share the load
 
3:00 PM
 
@Seth yes
 
Got nuked already >.< I missed my chance to grab yet another spam flag :(
 
@Seth It might've been different if a specific page containing that exact code was mentioned as a form of crediting the original author, but this is just spam to a homepage that might not even be relevant at all.
 
@Braiam I'm seeding the queue, doing my job, just behind the scenes
 
Also the fact that is was a userXXXXX with 1 rep is not a good sign
 
3:02 PM
@Braiam I'll be reviewing later on the day
So you all better make sure I find enough godaddy posts in the queue
 
I agree @Oldskool :p Still, wanted to go the safest route c:
 
@Seth if you already flagged it, there is no need to bring it up here.
 
@rene retags all the CV queue to godaddy
 
@rene You will, I have sent 30 of them via mass flaggage :p
 
@Braiam 481 closed (not deleted)
how do we deal with that
 
3:08 PM
@rene Roger :>
 
What is the goal
 
@Seth we have a bit on that in the FAQ but it is hidden in Can I request flags? whuch doesn't explicitly state NAA. We do allow inquiries about what flag to use. The FAQ is not clear about that, sorry.
 
@Drew Nuke all teh postz :-}
 
@Seth how do we do that and why
 
@Drew That was not serious :|
Closed posts will mostly be deleted by the roomba, or manually by users.
 
3:11 PM
n are one thing
 
The goal right now - AFAIK - is to "stop the infection" from spreading.
@rene No problem :) Good to know that though!
 
the infection is not that tag. The infection is all of main
 
@Drew when we're all done, a moderator nukes all those posts that are no dupes and then remove the tag from any remaining posts. I have seen Shog9 do that on a prior burnination
 
well that is good news thx @rene
 
Not sure if he will here but it is an option
 
3:12 PM
@PetterFriberg A Jon Skeet CV! Wow!
 
@rene The FAQ needs an update regarding the permission to use smokey :o
 
There is a problem with the godaddy burn. The same reason as is still around. Just sayin'
 
@Seth yeah, I'm already on my way to github to push changes
 
So it is hard to get one's heart into it
 
@Drew That problem being? ô.o
@rene Ah, nice c: How many miles does a flower walk per hour? o.o
 
3:18 PM
godaddy has content that is worth keeping
 
I hope that will not be beaten by a hammer... Can anyone explain me exact criteria for a question to be "put on hold as unclear what you're asking". I have seen many questions that are, although really low-quality, but to my understanding (obviously limited) they are still very clear. Ok, a beginner in both programming and SO is asking a question. Why to close it instead of trying to fix and help?
 
Beat ya
 
@Drew that is true
 
@Drew Example please c:
 
@mvidelgauz do you have a link
 
3:19 PM
@Drew Here
 
@mvidelgauz Depends a lot on the question. The most common problem that gets a question closed is someone doesn't put enough time into a question. Either research or in refining the question to something that can be answered
 
that is junkie
 
@Tushar Please kill this with fire: stackoverflow.com/q/39000523/2025923
 
Burning, need one more
 
3:22 PM
Needs moar gasoline
 
@Machavity And how can you be SURE that this is a case? Just your intuition? But do you realize that with your huge experience you have different way of thinking, which you cannot expect from newcomers? Again, why not to help them instead og throwing them away?
 
@mvidelgauz that is missing the debug attempt and what they expect as outcome. Also the title is awful. Any future visitors will find no value in that question.
 
@Machavity we need more questions like this stackoverflow.com/questions/39000272/…
 
@Drew what do you mean?
 
@mvidelgauz Because that isn't what this site is for.
 
3:24 PM
@Machavity and no not marketing my question but just making the point :P
 
@mvidelgauz Here's a secret: we're not always sure. But closure isn't permanent. You can always come back and improve your question and get it reopened
 
@Machavity it is not their question ...
 
Most people just take the closure and give up
 
@mvidelgauz this one is trash stackoverflow.com/q/38954870
 
@gunr2171 not saying that. I mean more reviewers, not the same reviewers doing more reviews
 
3:25 PM
@rene I agree with you! But my Q is why not to fix problem? The same person will come again and again until they will (may be or may be not) catch the principle. Why not to exaplain it sooner?
 
@Drew not sure what you are getting at
 
We don't have time to educate people with little books
 
@Drew Take a look at the comments -.-
 
We close stuff
 
That's uncool.
We do not threaten with the SOCVR.
 
3:26 PM
Who is threatening?
 
Yet that is what that user did.
@Drew Comments below said question.
> Well, I think I'll give that some attention at the SOCVR chat room.
 
@mvidelgauz sure, go ahead but giving the question a chance to get fixed is the point of closing. It shouldn't have been answered in the first place. Only one of the answers took the opportunity to fix that wreck
And he is one of the close voters ...
 
@Drew Yes, I know about that. Let's claim me for that if you want, but my question her was a different one. Yes, the link you gave is another illustration of what I so yesterday - OP's question was clear enough to deserve an answer but was closed. So I want to learn how to behave in a similar situations in future
 
We are not paid to spend an hour per question
 
@Seth yeah, @πάνταῥεῖ shouldn't do that ... use a link to this answer instead
 
3:30 PM
We are asked to judge quick and trust me it takes a lot to close a question around here
And some of us have our own sense of humor
 
@Drew you have humor?
 
@rene Some of us ;D
 
I rather be explicit about it
 
see my last asked question. Burn at will
 
Flames ...
 
3:33 PM
we don't typically hang out with an F5 refresh to see a question gets prettified. We vote to close. Fire and forget.
 
@rene thank you @rene I think I am starting to get close...
 
@mvidelgauz You seem like a stand-up guy. You should join us when you hit 3k rep. We don't exactly do this for fun or praise
 
@Seth It is funny that I didn't read it as threatening yesterday )))) I though πάνταῥεῖ was going to raise a discussion that would explain something... ))) Thank you all!
 
we try to be funny. We are not threatening
 
@mvidelgauz No problem! :)
 
3:39 PM
in the end, there is a peer struggling to solve something. We can relate
 
@Machavity again I have broken some rules? sorry for that, but door was open here...
 
@mvidelgauz No! Lmao.
Everyone can come in here.
General rule is (to participate in moderation) having 3k rep+.
 
@mvidelgauz You didn't break anything. Heck, I'd love it if more people came in here to understand the why of closures
 
YOU BROKE ALL THE RULES, ALL AT THE SAME TIME! NOT EVEN KYLL HAS MANGED TO DO THAT!!
9
 
@Machavity I think he's confused due to the "join us when you hit 3k rep"
 
3:41 PM
☑ Made fun of Kyll for the day
3
 
@Machavity So I probably misunderstood your previous message... Sorry for that. I'll take a break before next lesson...
 
@gunr2171 Nice c:
He isn't here to witness it though :c
 
He will be
 
@mvidelgauz you are fine. Your question was better than my last one
 
@Seth we just need to pin it to the star wall
 
3:43 PM
you are trying to help someone. Don't stop doing that
 
@Braiam True c: 4 5 stars should be good for now
 
and @πάνταῥεῖ can be funny. Don't take it personally
 
@gunr2171 I did and @rene kicked me for it
 
@Drew Only when you spell his name right
 
On a real note though, Kyll is awesome and he is very precious to this chat room
 
3:47 PM
yeah, we have a severe lack of spear armed squirrels
 
@Drew I love to do it and I won't stop. I just need to find right ways to do it HERE AT SO, so that 1) I will not disturb others, 2) I won't violate local laws and 3) I won't be beaten by someone with much more badges than I have (weight category, you know...) just because I don't think their way...
 
Screw badges. And rep. Doesn't change who's right.
 
@mvidelgauz don't worry about that
 
@mvidelgauz Most people here on SO are very reasonable.
 
@Magisch Same, Kyll is a great person to have around.
 
3:48 PM
come here and chat with your greek (german) buddy
 
c:
 
@Seth Don't tell him about Meta tho. he'll run away screaming
 
@Machavity Yeah... Meta is a dark chapter in the history of SO ... :-}
 
"I won't be beaten by someone with much more badges than I have", well, there's this guy named Jon Skeet...
 
@mvidelgauz I saw the unclear for simple question (lack research), this is some meta meta.stackoverflow.com/a/258062/5292302
 
3:49 PM
Not really, but it's the place for heated discussions and overflowing (huehue) emotions.
 
@mvidelgauz this is a guy with good scores You dont worry about it
 
@gunr2171 Jon Skeet doesn't close question. He just comments "No" and the question disappears from the Internet
 
: )
 
38 mins ago, by Machavity
@PetterFriberg A Jon Skeet CV! Wow!
 
@PetterFriberg Thank you, I'll read it later
@Drew ???
 
3:52 PM
it's the problem of replacing the mean “Lacks Minimal Understanding” close reason, we should vote either "Unclear" or "too broad"
 
@mvidelgauz you are doing well
 
^ :P
 
I feel like Jon skeet doesnt even need a CV
His cover letter probably reads: "I'm Jon Skeet, what do YOU have to offer to me?"
 
CV as in "close vote"
And I'm sure most employers never heard of him
 
3:58 PM
idk if you come across SO in any meaningful capacity, you know jon skeet
 
he is a java guy
 
He's also on the team that makes c#
 
Also known as the "God of SO"
 
@Magisch not really. Most devs don't even have a login, they just go to SO through Google. And I'm not even speaking of the people who do the hiring.
@DalijaPrasnikar gone
 
4:01 PM
@DenysSéguret how many cv do you do a day. I need a JS guy
 
@DenysSéguret Thanks
 
@DalijaPrasnikar well... I didn't say I was involved, did I ?
@Drew for what ? To close a question ?
 
I have hundreds, yes
 
@Seth now fixed, might need polishing when the other RO's object
 
@Drew I see enough bad JS questions every time I connect, in fact
 
4:04 PM
We found 35% of JS close votes are wasted
 
@rene Looks neat c:
 
@DenysSéguret Well, you didn't say, but... thanks to anyone that has been involved :)
 
i just noticed that my inbox is drowning in "chat replies" since i told smokedetector to ping me whenever someone posts spam
 
Yeah that is a crazy feature (since it does not check that you are in chat), better too use the plugin for chrome or firefox..
 
@DenysSéguret So can you help Petter and I to solve this problem
Most people just don't care. Understood.
 
4:14 PM
@Drew Hmm, after that has been deleted I see my rep is restored. Give me back those -20 points that I earned yesterday!!!
 
np, right one it : )
@Dalija I see you have it 10K congrats!
 
@PetterFriberg Thanks.
 
Danish spam : ) for car demolishing...
 
hehe
 
arrg can't see the delete link let me go and edits some docs...
 
4:28 PM
hehe pettter
docs reps are gonna get revert anways
 
meeh, ok I answer some dupes..
time to commute home, cya
 
hehe ok bye
 
hey @πάνταῥεῖ
 
@ColdFire wb... your issue was sorted btw
 
4:41 PM
@JonClements ty he profile was reverted?
 
ohk
he always does something
can i flag him next time if he does something?
 
That'd be best - yes
 
this is the 4th time he has done something
ok ty
 
Okay - don't go through that here... if anything happens in future, then flag, let's move on for now :)
 
4:44 PM
no i am not going throught anything and yes
 
where was that meta post where it says "likes" = "upvotes"
 
@ColdFire what is the real problem
 
@Drew now resolved
 
He's having an identity crisis
 
like all of us
 
4:51 PM
@FrankerZ does it have anything to do with the duality of his state?
 
lol
franks lol
@Braiam duality?
 
I was thinking it was more of a schrodinger cat crisis
 
:(
 
are you homies picking on someone here
 
What was that issue about me this afternoon today? I received some notifications, but wasn't able to make sense from the transcript context.
 
4:54 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ don't worry about it I think. It was resolved.
 
That's the beauty of it: You can keep scrolling up until you get the full context :P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ @mvidelgauz needs a guide. a friend
 
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
CLOSEY! \o/
 
5:02 PM
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
\0/
 
@Drew So it seems because I left a comment on their question, mentioning my activity here? That was probably not really appropriate :/
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
@Tunaki You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 2 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 11 minutes and 29 seconds, averaging to a review every 17 seconds.
 
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Q: Mod feedback on GoDaddy burnination

DrewCan we have a momentary pause on the GoDaddy burnination and some mod feedback on the burn on the GoDaddy tag? My paritcular question: is the whole lot going to be deleted, all 2k of them, or will there remain hundreds that won't? It has the potential of consuming a lot of bandwidth and some he...

 
TIL: if anyone remembers when I said that they were rolling out fiber on my street... they use copper (actually bronze, copper and tin alloy) to connect you to it... :/
 
5:15 PM
@Braiam Hahaha
Sorry
It's not funny
@gunr2171 What about payback on TF2? :D
 
@Braiam Is that why they can 1MB service? copper to the home on a fiber backbone?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Are you regretting now that you have shown me this place? )))) Don't worry, I'll try not to misuse it ))))
 
@NathanOliver I seriously have no idea... a neighbor asked for an installation and I asked the guy what cable were they using, to which he answered copper
 
@mvidelgauz No, I'm not regretting that. But the comment should have better been something else :3
 
@Braiam That's.. that's.. just.. arghhhhh...
 
5:24 PM
@NathanOliver Well, one day they'll invent transparent copper that actually works better than just glass ;)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ aka tin glaze
 
@πάνταῥεῖ That would be cool. Apparently transparent aluminum is really a thing.
 
(yay, DF knowledge is being useful)
 
@Braiam Tin has worse electrical properties.
@NathanOliver Same for aluminium :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ who said we wanted it for its electrical properties ;)
 
5:26 PM
@Braiam This kinda double feature could be useful for whatever applications.
 
@NathanOliver If I buy a car, it will have transparent aluminum everywhere
> 1.6" thick ALON armor is capable of stopping .50 BMG armor-piercing rounds, which can penetrate 3.7" of traditional glass laminate.
 
@Braiam Paranoid?
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/39002974/… should we attempt to help this guy or just send him to read basic C books?
 
Kill two birds with one stone
 
@mvidelgauz I think there's an appropriate dupe actually, not completely sure it's wandering for the solely.
 
5:40 PM
@NathanOliver it's for "work" related issues D:
 
@FirstStep Which particular OT reason? I've chosen unclear now
 
@πάνταῥεῖ it is super clear what he is asking for(What is a .dat file). It is just off topic because not related to programming I thought
btw when do I get the privilege of stating my own off-topic reason? Like "Other" and add my description or something like that
 
@FirstStep No, it wasn't super clear. .dat file extensions are used for pretty arbitrary file formats. Another option might have been too broad.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I see
 
I would have used to broad
 
5:47 PM
@NathanOliver sure as mentioned. These reasons are often interchangable.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Ok, in this particular case it is very likely that there is a dup. But I ask in general what should we do with such questions (obviously with no prior effort) But now I see that a very well rep-ed user are answering there (although in comments, but still ANSWERING), rather than saying "go learn basics"
 
I sometimes add a comment with some basic hints on off topic questions even if I vote to close it. I don't see anything wrong with that. If nothing else it might make the OP a bit less agitated when their question is shut down and maybe even encourage them to ask a better one next time.
 
@mvidelgauz Flag to close as unclear, too broad. A dupe will just speeding up the process as soon a gold badge user chimes in.
 
I agree with @ivarni. I feel sorry sometimes for noobs. Sorry in a way that they need guidance and to learn how to ask/search/research, not just a tornado down votes then close. If they don't know how to search they won't know what was the reason of closing their Q
 
5:53 PM
I've been using the The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List to dupe hammer such kinda questions already (rarely but I did so).
 
@ivarni We encourage that. It is nice to point the OP in a direction that can turn a off topic question into a on topic question.
 
@FirstStep actually, we gave all the guidance that we could have before they even asked, if they decide to bulldoze through that there's little we can do
@Yam nope
 
@πάνταῥεῖ you see, you are answering "by the book" - what should we do according to protocol. I am thinking about spirit of SO as a "questions and answers" site, i.e a place where a question can find its answer. And btw this question is not unclear nor is it too broad. It very well obvious and concrete what a C beginner is asking about (exactly the same situation like we had yesterday)
 
stackoverflow.com/q/39003173/3933332 What a joke. Answered 4 minutes after I closed it.
 
@mvidelgauz That's a question of viewpoint. You've correctly noticed that question is OT, the final close reason doesn't really matter. The culprit is low research effort actually, but there's no close reason for that, but just explains how downvotes come.
 

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