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9:09 AM
@Kyll sigh. I answered to the user aksing that question in the SO chat room...
in JavaScript, 1 hour ago, by Denys Séguret
@Mathematics I don't think so. You just have to include something at the top of every document, like "Warning: This isn't the original file which can be found at ... but a version Mathematics changed for his own goals"
 
@Kyll Lobotomised
 
@Kyll went VLQ
 
@Tunaki red flag marked helpful
 
@Tunaki - Ya. All answers of that guy have that link
 
9:18 AM
I voted the one smoke broadcasted as spam because that was a link to their front page, and not to the linked article in his other posts
 
That user is a spammer
He's obviously only here to promote this website and does not provide any meaningful contribution
There's no disclosure
Just nuke the whole thing?
 
@Kyll which user?
 
... Can't say -_-
See Tuna's links above
 
@Kyll I would say yeah (member today..)
 
also why is this room tagged with and not ?
 
9:22 AM
crazy RO probably
 
Tempted to call allspam on it
 
meeh lets see what @Tuna comes up with...
 
All answers now nuked.
User nuked.
'tis a good day to be a flagger.
 
Hadn't seen that the user was created today :)
 
Lobotomised to the bone then
 
9:28 AM
Plop!
 
Ok.. Osboxes doesn't let me do sudo stuff on CentOs. What am I supposed to do with a image which doesn't allow me to sudo :(
Go my children.. Flag ^^ to oblivion :P
6
 
That was nuked fast
 
Aww don't be sad
 
@AshishAhujaツ Hey :D
 
9:31 AM
Here, you can nuke these spam accounts if you want: 1 2
@Tunaki Do you use AoC's script for auto-feedbacks?
 
Nuking robin hood doesn't seem fair.. :o
He doesn't even stand a chance to defend himself with just a bow :/
 
Should have been shooting his arrows instead of spam
 
Ahahaha :D
 
> (deleted less than 20 seconds after being reported)
nice
 
@Kyll nope
 
9:45 AM
@Tunaki It's useful. No more typing sd [k/n/f].
 
meeh I think still someone in chat should pass at least n and f (to avoid beginners flagging)
 
Or SD could append feedback to its message
afk
 
and on last report I can see only my feedback (and feedback from review) metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/37492
 
I'm wondering: Can SO persue legal steps against the "regular" spammers?
Sue them for breaking the ToS?
 
@Seth - Its been tried. Not exactly "legal steps" but more of a "why are you doing this" ?
Most spammers will just say - we didn't do it
 
9:49 AM
@Seth Nope, but the lawyers would laugh if they tried ...
 
@Seth typically quite hard to provide compelling evidence that a spam is connected to a particular legal entity in a known jurisdiction which has laws against that
 
lol right rene
 
Uhh, cease and desist should be a thing in india, too I believe.
Sooo... I'm not quite sure if the lawyers would actually laugh (if prepared).
 
It wasn't me!
 
@TheLostMind Can't you use stuff like IP-logs for that? :s
 
9:51 AM
@Seth they will laugh because they will get filthy rich ...
 
lol
 
@Seth the retort is simple, "we didn't spam, and this new evidence you provide is also not from us -- there is nothing we can do"
 
^^ - That
 
@Seth that's why there is a market for open proxies etc
 
@tripleee Really? ô.o
People are scum :/
 
9:52 AM
lol right
 
Surprise surprise @Seth :)
 
Welp, someday someone's gonna take them down & then they'll be left helpless :>
 
hey TLM
 
@TheLostMind >:(
 
@ColdFire - \o
 
9:53 AM
o/
 
@Seth - I assure you. That "someday" is way too far
 
@Seth if you want to further that cause, compile evidence and submit to the sites which host their web site
but don't hold your breath
 
yeah
 
@TheLostMind I agree. Still, someday it's bound to happen. Messing with a community containing all sorts of programmers (blackhats included) doesn't usually end that well.
 
the strategy "you may be breaking some law" is complicated, but "your actions are causing your ISP despair and costs" is easy
 
9:55 AM
@tripleee The evidence will be hard to come by. I do not have access to the IP logs aso. c:
@tripleee Oh yeah :} ...
 
@Seth you don't need the intermediaries, just hit on the actual web sites because those are somewhat more static and also those are costing them actual money
 
@Seth - It will be too much work honestly. Legal contacting legal...
 
getting proxies closed would be a good cause but a hopeless project
remember when every school in South Korea was required by their government to run a piece of hardware which was trivially exploitable?
we have come a long way, but the situation is still pretty hopeless
 
Ah well, I'll get to that once I'm home (in about 6 to 8). We have the deleted posts (incl. links) available on metasmoke, right?
 
yay answered a question after days and got 35 rep
sounds like a improvement
 
10:11 AM
@ColdFire it is an improvement
after all you're one step closer to jon skeet
 
@dorukayhan lol jon skeet
no way in hell
 
@dorukayhan Jon skeet takes 1000 steps while we take one :[
 
@Seth but if you have longer legs, it doesn't matter :)
 
I have, for now at least, locked the post; primarily to stop the yo-yo'ing of close <-> reopen as a result of this discussion. It is my opinion that the question should remain locked, but I'll discuss that with the other moderators, and consider the input from this question before making a decision about that... — Matt ♦ 3 mins ago
cc @Tyler @Mag
 
@Kyll What post?
 
10:14 AM
\o/
@Seth Click the "3 mins ago"
 
@Tunaki Noone has longer legs than Jon Skeet... :o
 
> as a result of this discussion
 
@Tunaki =p
Called it
 
^ it started before.
 
> I expect the Meta effect to worsen the situation in that regard
 
10:15 AM
@Kyll Ah thx, didnt see that
 
@Seth quite so ... I was thinking maybe I should write a meta post about this?
 
@tripleee That'd be nice :] But either way, I'll check the sites and see if there are any possible measures to be taken against this fraud.
There has to be a way :p
 
wow got the outspoken badge
thanks for the star
 
@Seth typically when you complain to an ISP their response is "uh, we have not received any complaints" so that's the first thing to "fix"
 
@ColdFire gg
 
10:21 AM
@tripleee :} ... Many things to try, many things to do...
 
Funny when you stumble upon a late answer that is actually a comment for one of your answers :)
 
@Tunaki and flag it all the same
 
btw did this answer ever appear in first posts?
 
Want a script to never ask yourself that question again? -> github.com/Tunaki/stackoverflow-userscripts/blob/master/…
 
afk
 
10:41 AM
Are we closing on all SE sites here ?
 
@DenysSéguret erm, no, that would be Charcoal HQ?
@Kyll maybe explain if you deliberately are seeking the help of this room, which is SO CVR
 
@tripleee they only do spam and some NAA
@Kyll uh, please don't bring up posts on other sites. You should know that rule by now ...
 
@Kyll sitzen! : )
 
Personally I don't even have an account on that health site. And I suspect the spam will really be a problem there, and it will often be more subtle :\
 
Woops, went afk at the wrong time
Sorry for not respecting the rule, but in that specific case it was spam on a very low-traffic site and there wasn't many flags from Metasmoke
It was also an exceptional kind of disgusting
User is "legit"
Dangit, it was a deface. Didn't see it
 
10:47 AM
@Kyll maybe you want to join the choir here: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/190
 
yeah would have gone for same, but close to n
 
It's an answer
 
@Kyll better bring it up in the Tavern
 
@rene ... Actually yes. Good idea. Will do next time, sorry about that. Do feel free to trash the whole thing.
 
Trashing @Kyll and all plops
 
10:49 AM
lol
 
:32338371 k
 
1 message moved to Trash can
 
@rene You wish
 
throws the plops into the trash can
 
@rene I wonder, what was your reaction to that pinned message?
 
10:55 AM
@Kyll I dunno, I have learned to be reactionless about all the weird things that happen when I'm not here ...
 
We anaesthetized rene
 
That audit failure meta Q somewhat highlights a problem with the audit system overall
No wonder people are choosing to opt out of it
Hey @rene waters
 
@Magisch It's been known for years that the audit system is broken & kinda stupid.
We have 3-4 posts per week about broken audits >_>
 
Users of this room often don't suffer from unfair audits
I wonder why that is, maybe @rene has something to do with that...
 
Welp, I skip 85% of the reviews.
I flag the obvious ones & move one.
Haven't failed an audit thus far (I think ô.ô).
 
11:14 AM
Afternoon! \o
 
@Magisch IIRC when I was starting out here, I asked in this room as well, and was promptly advised to learn to cope, rather than expect anyone to spend time on improving a broken system
 
The system could be drastically improved by adding a few small things
>.<
 
@kayess \o/
 
@PetterFriberg \o/
 
11:32 AM
Morning
 
@NathanOliver \o
 
well
the audit system is nothing if not easily cheesable
 
@tripleee Good job!
 
@tripleee Very good job!
 
11:36 AM
thanks
 
@Seth What I mean by that is that audits have a different AJAX tag. You can write a thing to identify them with 100% reliability fairly easily
 
@Magisch Seriously? -_-
 
@Magisch I like how my comment went completely unnoticed on that one :p
 
You can also just check the link (programmatically) & compare the down-/upvotes.
If more then review, it's a good (upvote) audit, if less, it's a bad (downvote/flag) audit.
:/
@JonClements Did it? o.o I saw it
 
@Seth a Bird tweeted the other day that someone may or may not have done this already
 
11:41 AM
@Magisch Ah, nice :) ..
The system needs to be improved :
:|
We need audit-reviews ^-^
 
@Seth what about the audits of the audit reviewing queue?
 
There was a meta FR for something like a "I Do Not Agree" button, clicking that would mod flag it and the mods can decide what to do.
 
@NathanOliver Let me guess: Declined?
 
Not sure it is status-anything
looking...
 
Highly unclear what should happen after I do not agree
 
11:49 AM
Wait for mod?
 
Put in a queue to review? With review audits that you can disagree with ...
 
@rene Mod flags the audit to allow them to check it ;o
Would make all those "I got banned for bad audit"-questions redundant.
@NathanOliver Found it
 
Woot
 
was upvoted to 182, no SE response
future requests of the same type will be closed as dupe of this one, but there is no way to reliably bump them like bountys on meta.SE
 
@Seth The mod didn't correctly take action on stupid audit
 
11:51 AM
As a result, nothing happens
 
Woot. I'm at exactly 38K right now.
 
@rene Uhh, audits are supposed to be clear cases. If the audits are just plainly wrong or unclear, the mod could undo all suspensions/blackmarks for that particular audit.
Would eliminate alot of trouble.
 
Reject the edit on the question too please
 
@Seth which is done now when it's raised on meta...
 
Is it allowed to comment on such questions with the sole attent of pushing it? :o
@JonClements Yep, but a queue for that should make the process more enjoyable for everyone.
We have enough stuff to discuss about on meta (imo).
 
11:53 AM
@FrankerZ Good spot
 
@Seth The amount of disputes that get raised on meta make it look worse than it is. The general pass rate across queues is generally high and the fails are on stuff that you'd never really be able to convince someone it was a bad audit...
 
@JonClements I'd be interested to know how many people are using rene's userscript by now
By my knowledge, a link to it hasn't been posted on meta yet
 
@Magisch do I have a userscript?
 
morning!
 
12:07 PM
@rene The thing checker (tm)
 
Aloha
 
I don't think he should have been blacklisted
That answer was removed. This user just has a bad habbit of VLQ answers
 
@rene Wait no I confused you with TinyGiant
 
@rene User removed from blacklist (6103463 on stackoverflow.com).
 
12:08 PM
@Magisch yes
@FrankerZ fixed
 
I shall refer to it as flowerscript from now on
 
lol
 
so, when are we going to get this atrocity closed?
@PetterFriberg I tried, with zero effect
 
aah ok, then you just need to wait, I normally check request not in real time but from here chat.stackoverflow.com/…
 
@Magisch Ahahaha :D
@JonClements Mhh :/
 
12:12 PM
@JanDvorak There is hardly every instance closure of cv1 question, but normally they are closed within the end of day (if close worthy)
 
not fast enough, IMO, but what am I to say?
 
@JanDvorak rule #3 is what to say
 
@JanDvorak there is just to much stuff and its hard to always keep eyes on chat...
 
true that
@gunr2171 as in, "you shouldn't be expecting us to actually care about getting bad questions closed"?
 
@SmokeDetector Oh look, there's now 6 people being pinged by SD
 
but a good habit to help out others is to check the request when one have time...
 
*Pet peeve triggered*
 
@Cerbrus Just the one? :p
 
Yea, it's extremely difficult to annoy me.
What a stupid question -.-
;-)
 
I'm easily annoyed, and that annoys me.
 
12:18 PM
That must be annoying.
 
lol
 
^ txtspk, now that is annoying.
 
wondering if txtspk is TEXT SPEAK for text speak
 
yeah me too @PetterFriberg
 
even bad grammar is bad.
 
12:23 PM
 
I thought you flagged foreign language question as unclear? A question was just closed as off-topic
 
@AndrewL. I think that a wrong close reason isn't really harmful in this particular case. It's closed & will be roomba'd eventually.
 
@AndrewL. Not sure the reason is as important as closing it
 
@JanDvorak And annoying.
 
@JanDvorak There's ways to deal with bad grammar tho
 
12:34 PM
Not sure how that's supposed to help me.
 
@JanDvorak It's supposed to annoy you ô.ô For that you may never escape the vicious circle of being annoyed :-}
 
batman-slaps seth
 
Checks face
 
I mean, Robin-slaps Seth
 
12:35 PM
Is that you're doing @JanDvorak?
:-} ...
 
@JanDvorak I think you meant POW ZOT KABAM
 
Ouch >,<
 
pow maybe, but no zot. That would be too much.
 
@JanDvorak Thanks. I appreciate it.
 
Zot comes when you ask the woodchuck question.
 
12:39 PM
@JanDvorak What's woodchuck?
 
No, not that question.
 
Aww :(
@JanDvorak How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
That one? :3
 
ZOT
 
Ouch!
 
@Seth 42
 
12:43 PM
hey cerb
 
hey magi
 
@Cerbrus It doesn't work that way.. ._.
 
maggi :D
 
I've just realised Noah's ark was acually an ancient quantum computer.
300 qubits in length, 50 qubits in width and 30 qubits in height
 
@Cerbrus Oh, and btw, fun fact that someone told me (not 100% sure about it): 4 + 2 in japanese mean Shine (Death). Meaning the ultimate answer to life & the universe is Death. :p
@JanDvorak Wut?
 
12:47 PM
@Seth I heard that before, yea
 
@JanDvorak Kill it before the flower sees it >.<
 
I need a fas
...ter computer.
 
Ahahaha :D
And you need to stop using Internet Explorer ver. 1.0.0
Hey @Jal o/
:p
 
JAL
morning all
How's everyone doing today?
 
12:53 PM
Good :) Flagging, working, editing c: And thinking about the best way to permanently get rid of those pesky spammers.
What about you? :>
 
Wait, Internet Explorer has version numbers now?
 
JAL
@Seth No complaints, busy working, trying to close and delete vote as I can
 
@JanDvorak Yeah, and it ships with a script version of java
 
@JanDvorak Don't know o.ô Possibly still on release version :D
@JAL Nice ^,^
 
I'm on meta lurking for questions that need answerin' and users that need educatin'
while this 19GB POS repo downloads slowly
 
12:58 PM
@Magisch Go answer some questions rather on main
 
@Magisch Gotta educate them all! :}
 
@kayess I'm a scrub, and 99% of scrub-tier questions either get 7 answers in <5 minutes or ought to be closed or both
 
"Scrub-tier"? So you're the soap?
 
@gunr2171 Na, he's the brush ;o
 
I'm tempted to look for old unanswered crap scrub-tier questions to answer them - and if somenoe says they should be closed, I just note they've hade the opportunity.
 
1:05 PM
That needs to be deleted
 
I'm curious about the motivation of people who put extra exclamation marks behind one another. What are they hoping to achieve? — Jan Dvorak 21 secs ago
 
@JanDvorak Idk :/ I find it to be rather annoying.
Especially the "!!!11" candidates.
 
One exclamation point: Important, Exciting; Two exclamation points: Learn to engrish
 
@FrankerZ Or learn it in the first place.
 
how about nine?
 
1:07 PM
Nine exclamation points: You're doing it wrong
 
@JanDvorak It shows that they mean serious business, and aren't fooling around. — Epodax 1 min ago
 
To me it shows me they have sticky keys and I leave it to my own imagination to explain why
 
crappy "fix" approved on that one.
 
Is this NAA worthy? No VLQ due to age
 
I'd go with it
 
1:13 PM
yes
 
somebody is impersonating as me
should i do something or dont feed the trolls
 
@ColdFire ???
 
@ColdFire How do we know this is the real you saying this?
 
link?
 
1:17 PM
it's in the socvfinder room
 
Is he actively trying to impersonate you or does he just have the same avatar?
 
no he is trying to impersonate me
he is also using my real name
 
actively, I would say. Coldfire's name used to be ankit agrawal
 
^^ my real name that is
 
How do we know it's not your sock?
 
1:21 PM
see the questions
 
Maybe worth a flogging? I mean, flagging
 
Did he copy your questions?
 
nope my personal info
even my old pic status he has kept
 
Mod flag?
 
Time anomaly?
 
1:24 PM
@JanDvorak Both seem good c:
 
ok mod flag it is then
 
@Seth I can see flogging seeming good, but who ever would want themselves to be flagged for moderator attention?
 
@JanDvorak Well, maybe they'll be thankful for not having to do the flogging themselves? ...
 
ummm
 
Then again, maybe they'd be mad at us, taking away their fun :x
 
1:26 PM
oops sorry how to throw a custom mod flag
 
Disappears into the shadows
 
wait a mod is here
 
You do not throw a custom mod flag.
:p
You raise it.
 
well you got what i meant
jon can you please solve this problem
 
Click the "Flag"-button on a question of said person, choose "In need of moderator intervention" & explain your problem :)
That's redundant now since the ninja puppy has appeared.
 
1:27 PM
raises his apoapsis
 
@JonClements can you look into this issue
 
@JanDvorak What the heck is that supposed to be? :s
 
ok bye i am leaving office currently hope jon does something about it
 
@ColdFire Cya o/
 
are answers that assume language version useful?
 
1:34 PM
Sort of I guess o:
 
never mind, I'm in a -criticize everything that is not perfect- mood lately
Need a break from SO shit shoveling
 
@DanDascalescu I'm not saying that they aren't interesting, I love interesting questions, but questions that can be interesting could also not work well with SE Q&A format, and attract crap. — Braiam 11 mins ago
 
@TimCastelijns Doesn't surprise me :p
@Braiam I agree.
 
@DEAD TIPS!
:o
Opinions on this? Close as unclear/TB?
 
1:45 PM
@Seth I find lots of people that agree with my comments but tend to not upvote them :(
 
@Braiam Forgot that ô.ô
 
@Seth ?
 
@DEAD Why did you change your element? o.o
 
he changed multiple elements
 
But whyyy :c This one looks like a flying frog now ô.o
 
1:55 PM
Ever seen your DNA? Talk about stupid shapes.
 
@AndrasDeak Hey, atleast it doesn't look like a frog :(
 
@Kyll \o/
 
@AndrasDeak Stupid? Come on, that's a really cool shape.
People adore women with that shape.
@Seth Not always is there a reason behind what I do
 
@AndrasDeak Spiral shapes are wonderful! Just check out a picture of a spiral arm galaxy, like our own milkyway!
 
Also I hadn't thought of the flying frog before, thanks.
 
1:59 PM
@DEAD I see c:
@DEAD Thanks as in "Thank you!", or as in "Thanks, now go f... yourself"? :D
 

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