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15:00
I would like to see @ActionHank suspended for asking Ellie to marry him. I got suspended for the exact same thing....
I KID!
That is just retarded
@JamieTownsend Seriously? Why?
@Billdr It wasn't Rudi, it was Jamie (yes I know you're not here but I'll forget)
@Sean I know :D
@KendallFrey what value do you see in that?
15:01
@Ellie because someone flagged it as being abusive.
Make my own lookup table.
@JamieTownsend That's hilarious. I should flag @ActionHank's post.
@Sean Good to know.
@Sean What was me?!
@Ellie no don't
15:02
@JohanLarsson I wouldn't.
and what value do you get from your own lookup table? :D
@RudiVisser Getting banned for asking Elle to marry you, Billdr though it was you. READ THE DAMN CHAT
It's a witch hunt against me! Conspiracy I tell you !
@Billdr Shit when did you get back?
I'm BUSY
15:02
BOLLOX
@Sean When did I leave?
@Ellie ok good, I forgot to say please:)
I'm just working.
Blarg... no one made a build script for our main website... T~T
@JohanLarsson No need for manners when you're talking to a woman.
15:03
@Billdr You mean you weren't going when I said cya later earlier?
@Ellie Ok, I have to write that down.
@Sean I thought you were leaving.
I once went out with a girl called @Ellie - She had some massive bazoookas
@Ellie I try not to discriminate
@JamieTownsend O.o Did she look like me? :P
Whoops
15:04
blackjack site is not going to have bitcoin. wired.com/threatlevel/2013/01/…
Note to self: Be rude when "talking" to a woman.
@LewsTherin Have you read The game? There might actually be some truth in that
Not as pretty @Ellie :)
@Sean Billdr didn't say anything!
@KendallFrey and what value do you get from your own lookup table? :D
15:04
@Jai
@JohanLarsson What game?
@JamieTownsend You just said @Ellie made your screen smash less than 10 mins ago
Shit. Seriously?
@LewsTherin Have you learned how to talk to them now? :D
LEARN ALL THE THINGS
15:05
@RudiVisser RIGHT?!
This dude got arrested for writing gambling software which he LEGALLY licensed to overseas companies, and he still go arrested because the state of New York though someone might be using his software domestically.
@Billdr I have a feeling the whole bitcoin issues only got worse when 4chan started accepting them for 4Chan Passes...
THE GAME IS AWESOME
I kid, I Kid !
@RudiVisser No, not yet.
15:05
I'm back!
You'll get there after sex
@ShotgunNinja It's not a bitcoin issue, it's an online gambling issue.
@LewsTherin fixed with link, it is actually interesting read
@RudiVisser Only on chat. Hey!!
BTW, I think a room owner should invalidate @Sean's comments' star. It was fake and misleading
So, new plan... we're going to suck the blackjack stuff into an rpg.
@JohanLarsson Alright, will read it then
@ShotgunNinja Also, Wordpress.com is accepting bitcoin. Does that balance out 4chan?
@JohanLarsson Oh it's about talking to girls.
Blackjack plus Rocket-Propelled Grenade? I'M IN!
15:06
@Billdr are you familiar with SatoshiDice?
@BeatMe Yea. I'm pretty sure they're lieing.
Lying.
@LewsTherin I'm not being an *sshole, it is a fun read
@LewsTherin It's about more than talking to girls. But yes, it's awesome
why?
Because the volume they're reporting is improbable.
15:08
@JohanLarsson @RudiVisser What should I expect after reading this book?
Does anyone know if there is an existing project to 'slim down' the .NET API? I'd like intellisense to pop up with relevant 4.5 methods (i.e. Async methods, instead of Begin/End).
@LewsTherin Sex with @JohanLarsson(?)
@Billdr but it's verifyable from the blockchain
@Billdr No I wasn't leaving xD I thought you were leaving
@RudiVisser O'rly? I see a problem.
15:09
@LewsTherin You have no manly part?
@RudiVisser lol
@BeatMe Not really. They could just be sending coins to themselves.
@RudiVisser Eww
@Billdr If anything, Wordpress taking it makes it worse...
sure, the owners could have blown up the volume by playing there on their own, but he offered a price for anyone to proof it and the half of it, if they help to disprove this claim :D
15:10
@RudiVisser All night long!
@ShotgunNinja Cool story bro.
@LewsTherin Are you saying @JohanLarsson is not a desirable sexual partner?
@RoelvanUden interesting idea...that should also remove DataSet and DataTable
How rude flags
@Billdr do you have plans of offering something similiar in regards to their verification methods?
15:10
@RudiVisser It was in response to "No manly part" ha
@LewsTherin Ah, so what is your issue? No money for rubber protection guards?
@SteffenWinkler Hmm yeah, there are a thousand methods to achieve the same thing and when working on a new project I'd just like the latest variant. :P
@BeatMe I'm not 100% on going forward with this now.
yes! Also I'd like to train my coworkers to stop using DataSet/DataTable
Whoa DataTable is awesome
15:12
@RudiVisser Well I'm a poor college student.
@LewsTherin Can't you get them free like us brits?
@RudiVisser dude. That's 1990 tech. Those things were already obsolete when they were implemented
@RudiVisser I don't know.. I've never tried.
They hog memories, are hard to debug and you never know if what you want is in there
and if it's in there where it is
Argh I get frustrated with the amount of USELESS stuff remaining in .NET. That, and the fact that Mono hasn't gotten it all right yet.
15:13
@LewsTherin Try!
I leave y'all alone for 10 minutes and THIS is what I come back to?! hahaha
@SteffenWinkler DataTable is my baby
@RudiVisser ...somewhere is an abortion joke lurking in there
@RudiVisser Lol, no point?
@Ellie Expected..
Ugh.... deployment of these sites is an absolute nightmare. I wish I had access to a command-line program for doing the deployment, so I could write a batch script to do it for me, or a makefile or something.
15:14
Hi guys, how can i handle this error. Please
@LewsTherin There is if you read the game!!
@Ellie wait, a girl here?
@Ellie I've just been on the phone, I can't even follow the conversation over 10 mins..... I admire your brain
 public string FirstName
        {
            get { return user.FirstName; }
            set
            {
                user.FirstName = value;
                RaisePropertyChanged("FirstName");
            }
15:14
@linguini How about you handle user being null..?
@linguini if(user == null) return null; else return user.FirstName;
@RudiVisser I will after the exams. Ciao, I have to get back to studying (ugh)
@linguini return FirstName
Have fun @LewsTherin!
or use this instead of user
15:15
@RudiVisser Uh huh.. will try to lol.
@LewsTherin On a serious not this is what I think you should do, sign up for some courses that you expect there to be a lot of females and group assignments on. Get to know a couple and maybe good things will happen.
@JohanLarsson Are your "good things" sexual?
Haha. I've been back and forth 'learning' this application./
@linguini If user is null, it can't access FirstName.
@RudiVisser Howdi dude.. I have an issue with MVC4 again lol. I've followed an example on seeding an Admin user, enabling migrations etc. here's the Link :- blog.longle.net/2012/09/25/…
15:16
if user is an object residing inside of the class do what @RudiVisser said
This is such BS. I hate graphics.
Wanna trade?
@RudiVisser tricky, not in my definition but I think @LewsTherin has a different view
 public string FirstName
        {
            get
            {
                if (user == null) return null;
                return user.FirstName;
            }
            set
            {

                user.FirstName = value;
                RaisePropertyChanged("FirstName");
            }
        }
@JohanLarsson What are your views of good times?
@linguini Correct
15:17
@RudiVisser Incorrect.
@Derek What is it you're trying to achieve?
@linguini basically you didn't call the constructor for user yet, so it is null.
@KendallFrey Yes. What are you working on?
@KendallFrey Your mother
How do we know what user is right now?
@RudiVisser Can't think of anything better than gf studying or even becoming decent at programming!
15:18
@JohanLarsson Nerd; But it's pretty cool. She will give up by the end of the week though
When I come to Update the Database in console manager, im getting an error, "ou must call the "WebSecurity.InitializeDatabaseConnection" method before you call any other method of the "WebSecurity" class. This call should be placed in an _AppStart.cshtml file in the root of your site."
@Ellie A customization for our system. 10K lines and counting.
@JohanLarsson Nerd²
user = new User() { FirstName = FirstName, LastName = LastName, Language = Language,
                Country = Country, State = State, Zipcode = Zipcode, TimeZone = TimeZone,
                Sex = Sex, Month = Month, Day = Day, Year = Year, Occupation = Occupation };
Okay, is it still gambling if I refund all the money played sans a small transaction fee?
15:18
@RudiVisser I'm trying!
@linguini Where is that code from?
I guess at that point I should just do free to play with a tip jar.
@Derek Add it as a global filter to your application, you can do this in App_Start/FilterConfig.cs
@KendallFrey We can talk trade anyday. I LOOOVE coding lines and lines and lines. I just put on my headphones, press Play on Pandora, and GO.
I'm on MVC Winforms, from View(Form)
15:19
@linguini You have two options. 1) Make sure user is never null. 2) Check for null before you use the user variable.
@RudiVisser I'll try that now thx
@ActionHank She likes Pandora, you're moving to the states this year
@linguini wait. You set FirstName = FirstName...are you doing that in the User class itself?
@Derek Simply write filters.Add(new InitializeSimpleMembershipAttribute());, you will need to have using ****.Filters; also
@Ellie The hard part isn't the writing code. The hard part is knowing what needs to be done.
15:19
@Sean Who doesn't like Pandora?
@RudiVisser - thx mate
@linguini This is going to be brutal; how about you start at the beginning and learn how the programming language actually works?
private User user;
        private void b_Register_Click(object sender, System.EventArgs e)
        {
                user = new User() { FirstName = FirstName, LastName = LastName, Language = Language,
                Country = Country, State = State, Zipcode = Zipcode, TimeZone = TimeZone,
                Sex = Sex, Month = Month, Day = Day, Year = Year, Occupation = Occupation };
                using (var saveFileDialog1 = new SaveFileDialog())
                {
                    var commonDataPath = @"C:\test\";
@KendallFrey Hard for you, maybe. ;)
15:20
yeah I feared something like that
@Ellie oo err
@KendallFrey I kid, I kid. You're a boy genius, I'm aware, and I wouldn't try to get in the way of that.
BOOM, Kendall's just been put in his place by a WOMAN
@Ellie I think we all love you right about now
again...
@Derek No problem, it's just that WebSecurity isn't initialised until your Account controller by default IIRC
15:21
@Sean Well, I can't hear that enough. :)
I don't love you @Ellie
Seriously, though, sometimes I hate this rickety API's guts.
No offense
Btw, @Sean, with the tiny little thumbnail next to all your posts, that 'Easter Bunny' looks like a cracked out Pillsbury Dough Boy. Just saying.
@RudiVisser I fully expected that. The feeling is mutual.
a what?
15:22
@RoelvanUden what is the mistake, please.
@Ellie <3
guys I gtg
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:( Bye @ActionHank
@ActionHank To america
Bye, loverrrrrr hahaha
15:22
Hugs 'n kisses!
2
Blech!
cya @ActionHank
@linguini You don't understand the simplest concepts of programming. That's the mistake.
In public? How dare you, sir!
@Sean so moving to the States this summer
15:22
@linguini where are those variables defined you try to set in those curly brackets?
@linguini In the scope it throws an exception user is null. That is the mistake. You have been answered by several people with all very correct answers. If you cannot apply this information, seriously, take some time to learn about programming.
@ActionHank I look forward to it ;)
@RoelvanUden Did you give any more thought to your idea?
@KendallFrey he has > 1000 rep points...I think he has at least some clue about programming
@ActionHank if I give you a shotgun will you do something over there for me?
15:23
also no reason to be rude
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@SteffenWinkler Questions and Answers.
he has answers, too
check his profile
@SteffenWinkler He doesn't know what a NRE is. I beg to differ.
@KendallFrey uhm. What does NRE stand for?
NullReferenceException
15:24
NullReferenceException
(because I don't actually know that abbreviation, too)
oh
I guess he knows what it is but not why he get's it.
@SteffenWinkler I agree, and even if a guy does not have a clue he should just ask away here. Of course no one is forced to help but I say either help or mute
@SteffenWinkler If he doesn't know why he gets it, he doesn't know what it is.
@KendallFrey uhm. no. I often don't know why I get an error.
I reckon it's an Exception caused by a Reference to Null.
15:26
@RudiVisser Reckon so.
@RudiVisser I have been bouncing up and down trying to come up with a decent answer. I have even done the unthinkable and re-consider implemention based on PHP to avoid fund-raising. Still no clear-cut answer has been reached, yet, tough.
@RudiVisser but you are our superstar!
@RudiVisser, its still isnt initialising! Mmm...
I do know what the error is and what it says but why do I get it on a specific line of code? That's the reason Stackoverflow exists
< is a superstar
15:27
well at least partially
@Derek Where is it that you're trying to use WebSecurity and getting the error? Also was it the first filter?
Because the variable is null, dammit!
@RoelvanUden Fair enough well keep me updated ^_^
That's not the point he's getting at
Will help where I can
15:28
WHY is the variable null? That's the question
Which often involves more than just "cos it is"
@KendallFrey yes of course. But why is it null? That's the question for him and without more code, I'm not sure that question is answerable
Doubtful, variables generally are null because they are. If they weren't, they wouldn't be.
Because it was never initialized, or was set to null.
@Ellie What is a "Pillsbury Dough Boy"?
@Sean Are you not American? (Getting an image for you...)
15:29
@KendallFrey @RudiVisser You both know exactly what I mean, stop being dicks =P
@KendallFrey exactly but what if he initalizes it somewhere before? Or at least he thinks it should be initialized?
@Ellie Please post it as a link not inline
what I agree on is that the guy should've given more code
I AM, @RudiVisser. >.>
15:29
@Sean :)
much more
@Ellie WELL I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LIKE!
@RudiVisser You don't know my life!!!
woah calm down @RudiVisser no reason to scream
@SteffenWinkler Then he should ask why it's not being initialized in X place, instead of asking why the error occurs.
15:30
@Ellie That's what you think!
Deadmau5 time <3
@KendallFrey hmm...okay, you are right on that one
@I've put it down as the first filter yes. I'm trying to seed a User profile, so that it generates a new admin user each time the database is reset. In the package console i have enabled migrations and have amended the configuration.cs, to override teh Seed method. In there i have the following code :-
internal sealed class Configuration : DbMigrationsConfiguration<UsersContext>
{
public Configuration()
{
AutomaticMigrationsEnabled = true;
}



protected override void Seed(UsersContext context)
{

WebSecurity.InitializeDatabaseConnection("DefaultConnection",
"UserProfile",
"UserId",
"UserName", autoCreateTables: true);

var Roles = new SimpleRoleProvider();

if (!Roles.RoleExists("Administrator"))
Roles.CreateRole("Administrator");

if (!WebSecurity.UserExists("admin76"))
WebSecurity.CreateUserAndAccount("admin76", "BLUEblue1234");
@Ellie That's the Michelin man
15:31
@Ellie Oh, I see..... Hehehehehe
@RudiVisser SO not.
@Derek try ctrl+k after you paste to format as code, you can edit your message for two minutes
@Derek I can haz fixed font?
@Ellie StackOverflow not what?
@RudiVisser Ha. Ha. Very. Funny.
15:32
@Ellie I've changed it now cos I think it looks like the playboy bunny in the tiny thing next to my posts. Which is not right.
    internal sealed class Configuration : DbMigrationsConfiguration<UsersContext>
    {
        public Configuration()
        {
            AutomaticMigrationsEnabled = true;
        }



        protected override void Seed(UsersContext context)
        {

            WebSecurity.InitializeDatabaseConnection("DefaultConnection",
                "UserProfile",
                "UserId",
                "UserName", autoCreateTables: true);

            var Roles = new SimpleRoleProvider();

            if (!Roles.RoleExists("Administrator"))
Lol. Good choice.
It will take time to come through the tubes anyway
It'll be back at easter
Still looks like a cracked out Pillsbury Dough Boy, though.
@KendallFrey sorry guys. :(
15:32
Well I'm not getting rid of that part, just losing the ears
Haha
Gotcha
@Derek I'm not sure why you'd get that specific error, but I haven't used Migrations with EF so can't reliably comment
@RudiVisser Here was another consideration; Implementing a small HTTP server (similar to NodeJS) in C# to have a solid deployment on CentOS running Mono. I could then write a mini-router on top of that to develop web applications on. Stripping away dependencies on System.* would allow for pure and simple cross-platform web development in a sort-of 'sandbox'. What do you think?
@Derek It could be if it's using a database connection, that it's trying to seed, loading the database connection, then trying to seed, then loading the database connection, then trying to seed... etc
@RoelvanUden That was my very first initial semi-joke suggestion when you was talking high perf :D
@RudiVisser Shrug It would work. That's the weird bit.
I also considered using NodeJS but.. there is no typing, I hate that.
Similar to luvit and php really.
15:35
@RudiVisser - Cheers mate, I'll do this at home when i finish work. There where a few ppl that followed the tutorial had teh same issue, they changed the version of the WebMatrix.WebData.dll to version 2 and it started working for them, but i have done the same, and it still doesnt work. I have VS2012 at home I'll try it all out when i get in lol
just use nodeJs
Is it possible to use TypeScript in NodeJS ?
i think so
@RoelvanUden Confused. What do Node and typing have to do with each other?
and you can use WebStorm
15:36
@WileyMarques If you compile it.
@KendallFrey NodeJS, using JavaScript, is type-less. That's all.
Ohhh, static typing, not touch typing.
DERP ME
only being able to cope with typesafe languages is sad :p
15:36
I use Node and like it.
@DavidDV Sad, no. Sensible, somewhat
@KendallFrey oh you are right
what about using TypeScript @Roel ?
The problem I have with type-less languages is the fact that you need to check every form of input. Is this a string? And so forth.
I really like type-less node.js instead of Read-Another-Knowledge-Base-Article-IIS
@RoelvanUden It would work, but like I said you could even write your whole app as a "custom web server", you're just taking on all of the web security overhead for your server at this point
@Derek Alright good luck with it
15:38
The part about JS that I love is that typeof new Number(42) == "object" and typeof NaN == "number"
Anyone know where I can buy a new brain? Just rang the engineer on site to tell him I'm finished doing what I was doing and to pass a message on, 5 minutes after I'd told him I was finished. Fucks sake.
use the ===
@DavidDV Same result.
@WileyMarques TypeScript seems to be, initially, a good idea, until you start to really play around with it. There is a lot of ceremony involved to even get file interoperation, let alone building actual applications on top of it.
@RoelvanUden It would certainly be both fun and high-performant if done correctly, though :p (Not TypeScript, a wholly custom built system)
15:39
@RoelvanUden file IO is included in Node.
TypeScript makes me happy <3
@KendallFrey interoperation != IO
huh? what then?
or does it?
IO = Input/Output?
@KendallFrey Having multiple files be used as one project. That.
15:40
Yeah
IGNORE ME.
@RoelvanUden Oh, that.
Ok unignore me cos I was right
Can't you use require syntax?
there is no problem using multiple files in node.js
15:41
Node makes it easy to use multiple files.
With something called CommonJS IIRC.
btw isn't the node.js port for windows done by MS?
so its MS-technology ;)
I doubt it.
I really doubt it.
what is this Node js anyway?
A JS interpreter.
Anyone want to trade jobs for the day? This is killing meeeeee.
15:41
Please.
@RoelvanUden that sad. TypeScript seems to be good, but I have never played with it.
Joyent Partners with Microsoft to Port Node.js to Windows
@RudiVisser Yeah, but I've been spending a lot of time working on a framework and I'm actually getting sick and tired of it. I want to start developing my apps, but if I look at the road ahead then every choice I make will get stuck -- UNLESS I do the do-it-all-yourself approach.
NodeJS is really the most viable candidate but I can't get over the poor tooling and horrible typelessness.
@Ellie I do! Actually, I have nothing to trade, cuz nothing is what I'm doing right now :X
there is no poor tooling
and typelessness rocks
15:43
@WileyMarques I'd take nothing for this!!
you know what poor is, configuring IIS
@DavidDV Name one tool that has proper intellisense/code checking?
Typelessness does not rock and there is no real tooling (although JetBrains made a good start)
@WileyMarques You like web design? Specifically, remaking an entire website that already exists?
@RoelvanUden WebStorm
15:44
and configuring IIS is not a hassle
but it is not as proper as C#
typelessness does rock
@DavidDV Since when is having to configure a web server for your site poor?
@DavidDV Like I said, poor tooling. WebStorm can't make heads or tails of async functions.
since is still is not type safe
15:44
@HerNameIsEllie That'd be better than rearchitechting a 12 year old system that was not properly designed for use with web services.
@RoelvanUden so you want a tool doing all the programming :p
@Ellie Sounds easy. Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V
@KendallFrey Nice :P
@KendallFrey Right? I wish!! I have to take one made using Visual Studio (like) 1860 (oldddd) and remake it in a content management system. SUPER FUN.
@DavidDV If you have a 40 inch flatscreen HD TV, will you go back to a black-white 4:3 TV from the 60s (with those 3 huge buttons for channels)? I won't. That's the same comparison as going from .NET to JS tooling.
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One giant leap back.
15:45
Noooooo Kendall, that's probably why it needs re-writing, cos the original code is shite
@Sean That's the problem - the one we have is FINE. There's no reason for me to be doing this!
@RoelvanUden then stay with your C# if that is the only thing you are capable of
I don't need fancy tooling
@Ellie I like web design, but I'm not that good.. May I make a black and white rectangular website? :D
@WileyMarques That's what I'm doing/
since I know what I'm doing
15:47
I'm such a pro at web design. Look at my site to see. :P
posted on January 03, 2013 by Eric Lippert

Happy New Year all; I hope you had as pleasant a New Year’s Eve as I did. Last time on FAIC I described how the C# compiler first uses overload resolution to find the unique best lifted operator, and then … Continue reading →

@DavidDV Go back to notepad and the command line. That's what going away from Visual Studio is like.
@KendallFrey WINNING
@Ellie haha so come here to Brazil and let's make it together :P
@Sean have you seen the sites I developed in node.js ?? :p
15:47
BTW, don't look at my Webs site. It's old.
@Ellie Why do they want it re-writing?
@KendallFrey Your site makes me cry
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@DavidDV The sites have fuck all to do with it, we're talking about tooling
@WileyMarques Oooh, Brazil? Does that mean we can go hang out on the beach? :) I like beaches!
@Sean My boss thinks it will be easier to maintain in the long run.
Yes if you need tooling with training wheels then stick with that tooling
15:48
Tooling != Training Wheels
@DavidDV what if you like productivity enhancements?
being afraid of a bit of javascript is sad
I don't think he's afraid, he's calling it somewhat inferior and backwards compared to real languages
wanting to have something type-safe != productivity enhancements
@Ellie He has no idea what he's talking about >_< it's still a full-time job for someone to maintain a web site if you update your content regularly
15:50
this fear of type unsafe languages is sad, anyway try typescript in visual studio then
Sigh.. this is the same debate as always with the typeless-lovers. Yes, development is actually faster. It is not safer tough, you need to validate EVERYTHING and maintenance/testing cost/time goes up.
Type-safety could somewhat be classed as a productivity enhancement as it gives you compile-time verification
^ What he said
Meaning your entire code base goes up, it becomes more cluttered, more time in maintenance, and so forth, and so forth.
the compile time verification is pretty poor
@DavidDV I never said it was, I was talking about the tooling
15:51
Yes because it's JavaScript and there is none
@Sean Exactly. Plus, we don't update our content regularly. We're not the type of company who even really needs a website. (Seriously.) A lot of our customers haven't even seen it. I think he's just angry because I'm leaving in May.
Example. An action in MVC in C#: void Index(int Id) { // Use it.
compile time verification is pretty poor -> if you still make errors on this level then you just started programming
In JS: Index: function(Id) { if (!is_number(ID)) { // handle error, use it
anyway I do C# AND javascript
15:52
That's JUST input. Now everything that I as programmer shuffle around.
@Ellie Ah.... Yeah we have that same problem. I built our site on SharePoint and it never gets used. It was such an absolute ballache as well..
@DavidDV Go on, backtrack =P
Most people do C# AND javascript
@Sean We're using something called Sitefinity. So far, I can't stand it, but I have to just go with it. :\
@Ellie For sure! Let's enjoy the summer!
@DavidDV hahah that's the best statement I've heard all year
@WileyMarques I would love that. It's like 10 degrees here. I'm hating it. :( I want to be in shorts and a tank top! Not boots and a sweater!
15:53
which one?
I already hate it when people use var myVar = new someClass()
anyway Atwoods law rocks
(Paraphrasing) If you still make errors passing variables of the wrong type on this level then you just started programming
javascript runs everywhere
Eve
Eve
@SteffenWinkler Why?!
15:53
c# doesn't
@SteffenWinkler Why?!
because it makes everything untidy
hard to read
@SteffenWinkler No it doesn't
@DavidDV ???????????????
I've to look more to the right to see stuff
Eve
Eve
If you give a proper name to your variable and your class, the var keyword makes it less redundant.
15:54
also there is no reason to actually use it
@SteffenWinkler SomeClass myVar = new SomeClass(). Done.
@ShotgunNinja that's the way it should be
oh jesus, @SteffenWinkler please be quiet ='[
there is no reason why var should even be allowed
Eve
Eve
@SteffenWinkler No reason to use it...?
15:54
you've started them off on this var shite again
var Template = new Template("Template.html");
That's actually beautiful like that.
sorry @Sean
PERSONAL PREFERENCE LADIES, THAT'S ALL IT IS
@SteffenWinkler Dictionary<Dictionary<Dictionary<string, Dictionary<string, string>, string>, Dictionary<int, string>> theVar = new Dictionary<Dictionary<Dictionary<string, Dictionary<string, string>, string>, Dictionary<int, string>>();
OH SHIT ITS KYLE
15:55
@RudiVisser if you do that, you already did something wrong
@SteffenWinkler var theVar = new Dictionary<Dictionary<Dictionary<string, Dictionary<string, string>, string>, Dictionary<int, string>>();
OH SHIT IT'S KYLE
@Ellie Geez... Here it's about 30, I think
@SteffenWinkler I agree; if only because of the whole polymorphism argument. What it gets downcast into is somewhat important. In the case of standard containers, though...
Atwood's Law: any application that can be written in JavaScript, will eventually be written in JavaScript.
15:55
@SteffenWinkler That is not at all the point, you are not losing anything by using var
@RudiVisser I'm not gonna argue against that, because if you do that, you do it wrong
@WileyMarques 30 Fahrenheit?
@Ellie Celsius
@Ellie you have the proper level of OH SHIT. Thumbs up.
OH SHIT IT'S @KyleTrauberman
Eve
Eve
15:55
It's not about preference, it's about using the power of type inference; why doing it? Because code becomes much easy to modify and/or refactor.
@RudiVisser yes you do because apparently shit like what you did above get's allowed
@DavidDV Are you really trying to back up your argument by saying that because JS runs everywhere and because C# is type safe and doesn't it's worse?
@KyleTrauberman I try.
@WileyMarques Ahhh. Yeah, it's 10 F here.
Because that would be a crappy argument
@Eve maybe next time think more about what you want to do before starting coding...also get a ReSharper license
15:56
@Sean try to do some node.js
Which is -12 C
@DavidDV No =]
@Ellie where? I want to go there
if I don't need to use it, I won't, and I don't need it =P
15:57
-12 C sounds awesome to me
I have had to much experience with Microsoft technologies to be using that crap
@SteffenWinkler Allowed by what? My rule for var is that if the type is obvious (ie. directly stated after = new) it is perfectly acceptable to use. If however you've got a method that could return an ambiguous type (or it's a primitive type), then don't use var.
@SteffenWinkler Oklahoma
@Ellie OMG!
my rule for var is : always use var if possible
15:57
See, I prefer the weather here - its 41 F today.
Eve
Eve
@SteffenWinkler I use Resharper and I assume from your statement that you write code without bugs and with no changes of requirements.
-12 C? meh
because c# is typesafe :)
@Eve wow, sorry that was more personal than I wanted it to sound. I apologoize.
@KendallFrey Not cold, but definitely not bikini weather.
15:58
shit Ellie is still here
Hej Félix
Haha. Not still, @zneak. I went home last night and now I'm back at work.
@DavidDV This is nothing to do with type-safety, but programmer convenience and understanding. If you were to see var banana = GetMeApples(); without an IDE you wouldn't know what type it was
I love bikini weather. You should see my bikini.
Eve
Eve
Say that you have var items = otherItems.Select(i => i.Value).ToArray() and in another iteration you need to make items implement ICollection, all you have to do is change that to ToList(), no more.
15:58
@Eve of course, my code has bugs and of course I often rework my code. But that doesn't justify using of 'var'
Oh shit it's Félix
Eve
Eve
No big deal, sure, but if you have to change types a lot you find that type inference just helps so much.
... I'm not awesome anymore :(
@KyleTrauberman You're fixed!
15:59
var doesn't hinder code readability
crappy naming does

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