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@SpencerCole I hear ya. I was the same (cept no dye.. I was the kid who started the spikes in my jr.high. got made fun of for two weeks then everyone had them. I also was the first pho-hawk in my highschool... same deal.)
Gorillas is a video game first distributed with MS-DOS 5 and published in 1991 by IBM corporation. It is a turn-based artillery game. The game consists of two gorillas throwing explosive bananas at each other above a city skyline. The players can adjust the angle and velocity of each throw, as well as the gravitational pull of the planet. Written in QBasic, it is one of the programs included as a demonstration of that programming language. The others are Nibbles (another game), Money (a very simple financial calculator), and REMLINE (a program to remove line numbers from old BASIC programs...
@rlemon In high school, I had a 2 foot tall mohawk.
Gorillas
@SpencerCole yea other places did it first. just not in my school.
so I got the "nice hair fag" a lot
then those same guys sporting the hair cut a month later
@KendallFrey same as me, I usually cut my hair 4 times a month
I did it all, well before anybody else in school. I was the one with the cojones.
19:01
@SpencerCole Cool!
my hair now
I just like this pic
idk why
one of my only drunk pics where I don't look like a turd
@rlemon Oh yeah, Gorillas, the inspiration for Worms creators
That was one of my hawks back in high school.
@WileyMarques how dare you. The inspiration for Worms came directly from God and I will not hear any different.
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That was about 6-10 inches when spiked up.
19:06
yea I was just looking for a pic when I did power spikes
@TomW Haha you are absolutely right!
I was wearing a preppy sweater vest and straight leg levi's with 1 1/2 ft power spikes
I'll never forget when I got rid of my mohawk.
the rest of my head was shaven clean
It was my senior prom. My girlfriend at the time was complaining that she wanted a picture of me when I was clean looking.
19:07
this was before the phohawk.
lost a bet to the guys on the hockey team and they gave me power spikes. I kept them for 3 weeks then turned it into the phohawk
Alright gents, time to commute. Laters
I had a guy who called the faux-hawk a 'fox' hawk.
lunchtime!
woohoo
'Cause this is 'merica.'
19:08
how do you pronounce it @SpencerCole
faux == fox
like 'foe'
It's french for fake.
gotcha
i didn't know that
i would have called it a fox hawk too
Now you know.
And knowing is half the battle.
The more you know
Go Joe!
19:11
I know it is faux.
but pho is just such a nice soup I like to say it that way
I know that is pronounced 'fuh'
there is a resturaunt near work called
Pho Q
There's a restaurant right beside us called vim.
Tee hee, that's a thing I use a lot.
And macs is right across the street
are you on E street?
19:16
Not the roadway street.
But I am on cubicle Eagle street
what are your guys' naming convention prefixes for private variables?
if any...
no prefixes
camelCase
private... you mean local variables or private fields?
in preference, but by precedent from our lead dev, _
19:18
in C# I don't use prefixes, in VB I use a '_'
local variables
right
always camelcase
camelCAse <- Bactrian camelCase
I use an underscore sometimes
private string _name;
I only use underscores in VB cause it's not case sensitive
how do you name properties?
19:20
@KyleTrauberman hehe that's not a variable
@WileyMarques pascal
our lead dev insists that all constructor arguments be suffixed with _in
I don't think the specific convention makes much of a difference so long as you FOLLOW IT throughout the ENTIRE project .
basically because "it's easy to mistakenly not assign a private member correctly"
@rlemon Yes.
19:22
If isn't blindingly obvious, it probably means the constructor is doing far, far too much work
has anyone heard of a way to determine if text entered into a web text box came from a keyboard or a barcode scanner?
@TomW Oh, no, don't bring back those memories.
@AntLaC Not if it's HID emulation.
If you mean on the server side, then all you have is a string, and no you can't tell.
I can't see how to determine the difference
You'd need to embed metadata into the barcode.
and I really doubt the javascript can tell
that's what I'm thinking
19:26
My barcode code uses a prefix before every barcode, and a fixed suffix (^) at the end.
True or False: the only thing a constructor should do is assign the values of arguments to private members?
FAlse
LOL
19:29
use upload button plz
i cannot browse porn sites
Interesting. What other work is it legitimate for a constructor to do, IYHO?
@KendallFrey Look at this question stackoverflow.com/questions/13075679/…
@KendallFrey 1) get a better browser, 2) get a job that doesn't treat you like a 6 year old who will FAPP to FB prostitotts every 12 seconds.
@rlemon 1) nothing to do with the browser 2) nothing to do with the job
@TomW You can also assign values to public members as well :)
19:31
@KendallFrey 3) grow a pair?
3) nothing to do with the pair
you make no sense
4) nothing to do with me
lol
@TomW other initialization tasks are good to do in the ctor
like opening database connections, ensuring dependencies are present (like files on the filesystem, etc)
So, I have this Excel 2007 add-in, and I get a bug report basically saying "It doesn't work in 2013." Anyone know of possible compatibility problems?
19:38
don't use 2013
other than that, i don't know
I can't tell him what to do. He wants it to work.
@TomW I always aim for the ctor to do as little as possible
check in parameters and assign ideally
Most non-trivial classes need to initialize more than you care to pass into the constructor.
I used factories to massage everything for a while but feel readability suffers from that
@KyleTrauberman Is there a way to use IoC so that I pass a few parameters and have StructureMap fill in the rest?
dont think I really want that
20:00
@JohanLarsson like you only use DI for a couple arguments, and provide your own values for the others?
are you using ObjectFactory.GetInstance() to get the instance
or is MVC/WPF/whatever handlling it for you?
more or less using Objectfactory at the moment, still playing around and learning
GetInstance has an overload
ObjectFactory.GetInstance<IImportService>(new StructureMap.Pipeline.ExplicitArguments());
@KyleTrauberman yes, say I have a logger that I want resolved
you can pass a dictionary<string, object> to the explicitarguments ctor
@KyleTrauberman ok, saw that
20:03
string is the name of the argument you are providing the value for
alternatively, you can do it this way:
@KyleTrauberman the string part seemed kinda meh, do you use it?
no
if you're configuring your IoC in code, you can do this:
x.For<IManagementDBContext>().Use(IoC.DbContext.Value);
note I'm passing an actual instance of the object i want to use to the Use method
instead of just a generic type
@KyleTrauberman that is far nicer
static IoC()
{
	IoC.DbContext = new Lazy<ManagementDBContext>();
}

public static Lazy<ManagementDBContext> DbContext
{
	get;
	set;
}
that's the setup for IoC.DbContext
but, it will always use this instance
so if you want to vary it throughout your app, you'll need to use the first method
@KyleTrauberman ok, the need for variation comes as soon as I want to test it. Have one IoC in the "real" code and one IoC mirroring it with Mocks in the test code. Works ok but readability suffers a little
20:12
when testing it, you can just skip the whole IoC thing - no structuremap in your tests
instead you create your mock objects for the injected dependencies and pass those to the object ctors - you create your instances with the new keyword in the test code
@KyleTrauberman I will aim for that, as the design is now I need to mock a few things that are buried deep down
again it is because of the static extension methods
@RyanTernier how much do you bench press?
max 50lb free weights on both sides
on a bar, 120lbs
You train much?
I go to the gym a couple times aweek, walk 5km to and from work every day
dota player just joined...
bah our msdn license is crazy
Every BU has a license that gives unlimited copies of anything MS to anyone that works at the company for internal work purposes... but no one knows about Azure haha
20:26
@RyanTernier Walking to and from work is pure gold. That habit is a keeper!
Yea, i've lost about 2 inches since May
in the waist
@RyanTernier Is it allowed for internal work? I have MSDN Ultimate (I think) but was under the impression it is not allowed to use the products for actual work
INternal work like making a word document, or internal testing utility etc.
You use the products for all work
but youc an't use the licenses for prod liscenses
@RyanTernier what type of MSDN license do you have?
We're gold partners with MS, and we are a vendor with ms.... (we're the 5th largest IT company in the world so probably a good one)
20:29
@ryan do you have an msdn account associated with your live id?
@Kyle no, only 1 person at each office is allowed to do stuff with MSDN
So I'm seeing if they can leverage my Live account with Azure
you have a weird system in place for that
Canada MSDN is different than US
I've had a couple different employers provide me with my own account
Most companies in Canada have an MSDN for the company
20:30
ahh
then everyone gets free stuff
@RyanTernier even without MSDN, you can get 10 free websites
+1gb sql storage
the msdn only really gives you compute hours
signup for the trial
yea 90 days
but i don't want to pay
<-- going through divorce. Broke as hell
20:32
the 90 days don't apply to websites
click websites
they have a free tier
it won't run a huge public website
but it will work for small personal sites and testing, etc
@KendallFrey is it .net or VBA?
.NET (VSTO and COM)
so small personal sites are "Free"?!!#%
yeah
i think 1gb storage, 1gb sql
Unless you need SQL Server
hmm
20:35
@KendallFrey ok, for VBA one needs to reference another file moving from 2007 to 2010
@KendallFrey is it registry free?
If you elect to continue using Windows Azure at the end of the 90-day trial period, you will continue to receive the 10 shared instance mobile services at no charge for an additional 12 months.
@JohanLarsson No, I think you need to use the registry to register any addin.
there is a spending cap in place
so they won't charge you unless you explicitly remove the cap
its nice so you don't get any surprises
@KendallFrey maybe, for Office I dont know. For Inventor (CAD) the preferred way is what they call registry free add-in. Manifest file etc
Free Shared Instance Model
During the Azure Web Sites preview period you will receive the following at no charge:

10 Free Web sites on the azureWebSites.net domain
165 MB of outbound data per day, unlimited inbound data
1 GB storage (shared by all sites)
20 MB of a third-party, MySQL database
By default, your free Web sites are configured in a shared instance model, running alongside other users’ Web sites and sharing the Web server resources. You can elect at any time to upgrade to either a paid shared or reserved instance model.
(see full text)
20:41
Hmm wil have to try it out- thanks kyle
Yesterday at 23:00 I found a SO question that I thought I could answer. Wrote it up real quick and tested, seemed to work. Then tested one more thing and it failed, researched until 03:00 and by then I had found another SO answer that solved it so I could only write a comment and point the guy to the answer.
You should have the Fanatic badge. I'd never do that.
BTW it's 5 more days!
@KendallFrey I am like that, not for the rep but when I get started enough I enter fanatic mode
Funny. I thought off-ten was a Canadian thing, but I just heard an American say off-ten.
20:49
i did a rough calculation and found Jon Skeet is making 300+ points/day on average. That is pretty decent given the cap
I think it was closer to 500 average.
hmm 4 years * 365 = 1460
500 K / 1460 = 342
Is it the beginning of the end?
Of SO? Yeah.
SO isn't nearly as good as it used to be.
Maybe, I find it fantastic but dont have much history
refreshing and amazing to see people actually helping each other just to earn rep
Or maybe the drive is more just to help
hi fellas, anyone using win8? i just installed it and it just seems to me to hard to use, things are inaccessible and the menus are gone, am i missing something? im talking about the metro part, the desktop and win-explorer is nice
of course im talking about a desktop - not touch dev
id like to hear from you developers how u are using win8
and what are your impressions
20:59
When I tried it, I was lost too.
or what do i have to know before i get frustrated
You'll get used to it.
I'm pretty sure the first time people used mice, they were cursing a lot.
i remember back when win7 came out i was frustrated too, but today i think on xp like win311
Alright guys, I'm not dead, just on the road tomorrow. See you tomorrow afternoon!
21:03
windows 8 is a huge pile of shit that microsoft should be ashamed of
:( I used all my stars today
they're just running around like a chicken with its head cut off because they have no idea of how to compete with apple
@Steve im just starting to think like u
@KyleTrauberman What is the limit?
yeah, you can only star so many things in a day
20 or 30 i think
21:04
so what do u suggest
not use it?
what do you need starred? I have plenty I guess
i should get used to it or downgrade to win7?
i do love win7
nothing needs to be starred
so don't worry about it:)
but the features in win8 explorer are pretty cool
21:05
personally, i'd down grade, but there are mods that you can download to get the old looking w7 start bar in w8
;i don't remember what the one i used was called, it looked pretty slick though, i can't lie
i dont mind getting used to new things as long as ppl tell me they were there and u can get used to it
@Steve why would you do that?
@AntLaC gimme reasons i shouldnt
do u use win8?
because i hate w8 as much as the jews hated hitler
everyday
21:07
ok
then why upgrade?
thanks god ur here
i upgraded cuz i wanted to taste it
and you don't like it?
now my first impression is same as steves, except i dont mind experiment
thats what i did too, i didn't think it would be so radically different, so i didn't even install it on a vm, and then when i downgraded i had to format my hd and i lost all my crap, which is why i'm so bitter
21:08
i wanna hear from u as a developer
if you want to test windows 8, for god's sake use a VM!
who uses vs and internet browser
lol i know
big mistake
@KyleTrauberman LOL
and is jumping between windows all day long
@KyleTrauberman ur wrong.
21:09
some people just don't like change
i didnt say test i said taste
i love change
u cant taste by licking, u have to eat
i'm not opposed to change at all
LOL
21:09
but just because its change doesn't mean its good change
I use a Windows phone, so it was really easy for me to adjust
@Steve thats why antlac will prove you its good
the whole concept of the live tiles is good
from a developers perspective and a users
the problem is its a desktop+mouse+kb
no touch screen
its like they tried to melt two operating systems together and got a deformed piece of shit
yeah, if it was all touch, i don't think it would be as bad
21:11
and everything seems so limited and inaccessible
you can get a real quick glance of everything going on without having to open apps
like i have 23" screen and its used for nothing
even the chrome browser doesn fill the entire screen
@AntLaC what do u mean
that's funny, I use my 60" TV as a monitor and it looks great
btw, how do u close apps??
but, I don't use chrome LOL
you drag them down
21:12
maybe thats the reason, cuz u probably dont use the computer to develop software
put the mouse to the top, turns to a hand it it drags down
ie beats chrome in every aspect
i also used to be a blind believer in ie
ew ie
especially IE10
until i realized its a fact
21:13
it's the fastest and most compliant to HTML 5
@Shimmy With the live tiles they display information from the apps without having to open them
the mail tile will iterate through unread messages
the people tile will show you new info from your social sites
the news tile shows you new stories
its not that it doesn't have good parts to it, its that it was put together crappy, and are you really praising internet explorer? lol
mmmmm tapioca
tell me how it's put together crappy
I'm just repeating what reviews have said about it
why are you getting so offended
including sencha
I'm not
21:17
@AntLaC lol IE 10 is far from the most html5 compliant browser
ok for conclusion ill stick to it a few more days and well see
from sencha.com/blog/ie10-preview-html5-first-look - The IE10 preview supports almost every visual HTML5 and CSS3 feature that’s been introduced in the last three years and several more besides.
from kyles link you can see what IE10 doesn't have compared to the other browsers, it goes item by item
how do you know this Michael Mullany guy isn't in microsofts pocketbook
ie10 does do some things better
but it still scores less points overall
is ie 10 out yet?
21:24
it's on windows 8
I don't think it's available for pre win 8
native win8 apps can be developed in HTML5 and javascript now too
ms is trying to force people to upgrade to win8 by making all these features that only work on win8
i knew that
LOL
all companies try to get users to upgrade
yes
but all previous ie versions have been backwards compatable
by at least a few versions
21:28
in terms of?
the OS it can run on?
in terms of ability to be installed on older versions of the OS
yeah
in the way it's integrated into the OS, it can't
that's a crappy way to make a browser, IMO
and it was part of the whole EU anti trust lawsuits a decade ago, wasn't it?
limiting choice
I haven't upgraded from IE8
it was, but that how lawsuit thing was bs if you're really honest about it
because I have to restart my pc during the install
having to restart my pc for an install in this day and age is a huge deal breaker
21:33
you do know it's good to restart every now and then right? LOL
yes
but on a whole, its unnecessary
especially being forced to restart because of an install - that's a thing of the past
unless its an os patch
depends on what you're installing
no it doesn't
if i'm installing an os patch, restart is okay
everything else, not okay
21:38
@KyleTrauberman O HAY WE JUST INSTALLED A NEW VERSION OF A PDF VIEWER, BETTER RESTART
yeah, that pisses me off
me too, linux can do it, no reason windows couldn't implement it
yeah
and with linux, you don't even need to restart to do an os/kernel patch, do you?
i dont think so
but i could be mistaken
yeah, i'm not sure on that one either
ugh
21:41
IE SUCKS.. there my 2 cents
IE does a pretty good job at times. It's just that Chrome does an excellent job all the time
Chrome sucks to.
It gets worse per update.
Back to FF
^ Fired,
21:49
FireFox is too slow compared to chrome
Chrome takes a while to start for some reason.
And when you load anything flash it crashes often.
@LewsTherin hej
FF is stable at least but I don't use it because it never lets me log into SO.
@JohanLarsson Hiya!
@LewsTherin been in Java room all day?
I just dropped in a few mins ago
I was finishing some assignments
21:52
still NDA about the app?
Non-disclosure Agreement (Non-disclosure Attitude in your case)
Lol
I told @Billdr, only because it was skype and fairly private
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A: regex expression to get last 6 characters preceding file extension

Johan LarssonI would use Path.GetFileNameWithoutExtension and then string.Insert to add the slash

Yeah I upvoted. Nice and simple!
21:55
That was a little lol, he did not write that he could not use any code (edited later) Now I start to get hate for answering what was not the question :)
Lol
Hate that :(
not really, but I leave the answer any way. Think it can be good to think about not using regex when thinking about using regex
I still wish I knew a bit more about regex

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