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20:02
how can I tell the number of Parent nodes an Node has
@juanvan become the Joker. Side effects include creating the Batman.
Well I already have the batman working here..
or so his car has the stickers
Nobody at the Javascript room who's willing to look at my problem.. I guess my programming evening ends here. Good night ^^
> A big change that you won’t see is that we actually rebuilt Start in XAML, which is one type of code developers can use to build apps for Windows 10.
@CuddleBunny This is what's annoying. In comparison, Apple always gets it done right.
who has a favorite code coverage tool
20:14
"Apple always gets it done right" lol...
@CuddleBunny In development?
user47589
lol
/dance
user47589
apple has done plenty of shit wrong
20:20
guys I have a question about how someone is doing their code, just want to verify my understanding
I look at Yosemite/El Capitan. Then I look at Windows 10.
ok paste
user47589
ok kala
gist pls
@DemCodeLines two words: Apple Watch
20:21
@mikeTheLiar I am talking Desktop OS vs Desktop OS.
Let's keep it to apples-to-apples, not apples-to-oranges.
Hah
My man, you won't find any apple love here
I'm not comparing it to anything other than a pile of dog shit.
So, apples to apples.
omg failsafe I'm sorry
i keep using pastebin lol
You are like a sports bike riding city boy who just walked into a hells angels MC bar
20:23
i can't see that
@Failsafe Considering I am developing for Windows, I am not looking for Apple fans either. Just saying as a point of comparison. Whatever it is, at least OS X is polished and the API's are set. Meanwhile you have WinRT, which makes you wonder if MS really is serious about UWP.
My problem is the find task
 Task<Address> Find(string address1, string address2, string city, string state,
            CancellationToken cancellationToken = new CancellationToken(),
            params Expression<Func<Address, object>>[] includes);
I think I might know why it's not saving the address
I think one edge case
I mean, how do you go from the success that was Win32 to WinRT? Like, how does it happen? Did they not know why Windows was widely successful and why developers adopted the platform?
Win32 was not a real success :( Have you ever tried to code to the win32 api?
is if a user is a located within the same city and state and same zip for instance, it won't save the address right?
20:25
@RyanTernier I had to do that in one of my C++ classes. It was awful.
since address1 and address2 fields can be blank
Is the find task looking for a matching address in the db
that matches all those terms
@DemCodeLines developers adopted the platform because it was wildly successful. You think anybody's developing in Objective C because they like it?
@DemCodeLines You are aware that win32 still exists
WinRT is not a replacement for Win32
@RyanTernier Well, Windows just happened to have the best developer support. Win32 might not be appealing, but it gave devs all the openness they needed. That's why you can build complex apps like Photoshop in Win32. You can't even come close to that in UWP.
it is an extension toolset enabling you to develop metro style applications
20:28
@Failsafe I thought it was pretty obvious that the plan is to phase out Win32 and adopt WinRT. They went aggressively towards that goal on Win8 and learned that people weren't ready. So they slowed it down.
@DemCodeLines They are still making lib's for it?
so probably not phasing out any time soon
@KalaJ looks like it. See if it exists in the database. If it doesn't, create a new record, otherwise use the existing ID.
@Failsafe lib's for what, win32?
> It is not to be confused with the Whole Tree Logging method of timber harvesting.
user47589
20:30
lol
Sounds like they need a lumberjack logger
Logger.GetLogger().Log(Tree.All())
> There are 24 different bits of third party software involved in making Chrome work, and one of them is WTL, the Windows Template Library, which was released as Open Source in 2004.
Yes, they are on version 9.1..
@DemCodeLines I fail to see how this is relevant. Windows is releasing lots of stuff as open source.
Thank you for clarifying...
20:33
So it's been in existence since before WinRT.
user47589
Wow, 2004? I thought MS still hated open-source at that point.
@DemCodeLines I fail to see how this is relevant.
It doesn't have to be new
20:34
they were warming up to the idea - on a few projects
I don't see any other reason for why MS would maintain two APIs that accomplish the same thing: make applications for Windows.
user47589
hey @TravisJ
@TravisJ you made it
I came in early today :P
6 mins ago, by Failsafe
it is an extension toolset enabling you to develop metro style applications
user47589
20:34
@DemCodeLines obviously to maintain backwards compatibility with the older API
They want to make it easy for people to make APs for the Windows store.
That doesn't mean that they're going to take away the other platforms.
I wish there were more aps for the windows store
wish people liked writing apps for the windows store
user47589
@TravisJ there would be if MS fixed the store search functions
Often I find myself having to go to the vendor website and do it the old school way
20:35
@DemCodeLines What exactly is your point?
Ok...Why not just ask the devs to put their win32 apps in the store? Why ask them to create a whole new set of applications from ground up?
@DemCodeLines because developing Win32 apps sucks major ass.
@Amy - In my opinion the search function isn't as much of an issue as vendors not wanting to develop an app for windows when they already have one developed for the desktop.
Yes, it gives you more freedom. It's also painful as all get out.
there a way in the Live Diagnostic tool to tell where what code is being executed
user47589
20:37
I've done win32 development. It does indeed suck major ass.
@DemCodeLines you will be able to put win32 apps in the store very soon
user47589
Win32 will be maintained into the near and possibly distant future for backwards-compatibility purposes.
user47589
I don't understand what the point of this discussion is.
I agree.
@Amy By repeatedly saying "Backwards-compatibility purposes", your comment makes it look like that Win32 will no longer be actively developed in the future, but will be supported so all of the current programs don't break apart. Which is exactly what I have been saying...
20:38
It's the basis of Dem's argument that Apple Does It Right &trade;
RT was designed for ARM support, which went along in parallel with Intel's power consumption research. If x86 didn't prove to have a viable comparison to ARM in mobile RT would still be a thing.
user47589
I have no idea what you've been saying, and I'm very quickly losing interest.
could jump out my chair - so happy this program works
The basis is Apple does it right?
@juanvan DO IT!
user47589
20:39
correction: interest has been lost.
...No. I said that out of frustration, because UWP is overly restricted and there is no openness.
@juanvan - woohoo! :D
Also developing for OSX is just as hard as Win32... it's stable because cocoa hasn't changed in ages.
@DemCodeLines Then don't use it
The basis is Apple should be eaten by a worm and shat out into dirt that grows pretty flowers... then some kid will smoke that flower and make a software company called apple. oh crap.
20:40
I will not get into why Apple does it !right. I think we all agree already.
Is this whole discussion just to say "WinRT sucks?"
UWP is also still v1, it will get better with redstone
v1 of win32 was equally powerless
@CuddleBunny It's been pathetic since it first came out with Win8.
user47589
20:41
I tried making a CPU out of redstone circuits in Minecraft. Hard as shit.
That's two generations now.
user47589
Didn't get past making a basic adder.
!!youtube minecraft game of life
you can't think of it as UWP is restricted, because they're not removing features. Platform development is additive. Win8 is RT which is completely different from UWP.
user47589
20:41
whoa, @mikeTheLiar, you have just blown my mind
I can barely wire a door in Minecraft, I don't know WTF I'm on about
But Minecraft is technically Turing complete
@CuddleBunny I would like to think that they built on Win8's WinRT. If they started over in Win10, then I don't even know what to say.
!!youtube minecraft in minecraft
@DemCodeLines I'm sure they took some of it, but RT was always a backup plan. As soon as Intel came through with better processors for mobile it was officially useless.
user47589
20:43
Intel is putting AMD to shame lately.
I hate Intel as a corporation
and what they did to AMD
user47589
me too. they play dirty.
regardless, i have an Intel chip at home
I think AMD is getting ready to pivot again
@CuddleBunny I don't see Win32 apps coming to mobile. Ever.
20:44
@mikeTheLiar - thanks
ignorance is bliss
@DemCodeLines mobile is still ARM
I have an AMD which is pretty diesel
I have an AMD Phenom II still
works great
What the heck is the point of WinRT now?
20:45
there is no point
unless you need windows 8 apps
@CuddleBunny I had one of those until I needed to upgrade for FO4
but windows 8 is near end of life already
Why the unnecessary Windows Store then?
@mikeTheLiar I've just OC'd mine
@DemCodeLines windows 10 store isn't RT
I like 8 for certain things, but the live streaming in 10 is neat as well
20:45
though 10 still supports RT apps
@CuddleBunny huh?
@CuddleBunny my wife offered to buy me one of these: microcenter.com/product/423307/…
That said, windows 10 is terrible on mobile devices from my experience so far. I have a win10 tablet that cannot charger faster than it drains when plugged in.
user47589
wow
@TravisJ Really?
20:46
Yeah, it is awful.
I have Windows Phone 10 and it is blazing
not as my daily driver but as my dev device
I am going to buy a second one to see if maybe the hardware is broken.
What build?
user47589
my boss has a windows 10 phone. he's unhappy with it
@TravisJ which tablet? I have all 4 generations of Surface on 10 and they all work great?
20:47
hmm
Not surface, I love my surface. This is a smaller device, the size of a dvd case
user47589
@TravisJ when you charge it, are you charging off the computers USB or 60hz power socket?
@Failsafe wp10 feels faster than it used to feel but it is definitely slower than wp8.1
we have a bunch of vending machines that let you borrow devices. Maybe I should see if they have one of the new Nokias
I'd be all about a surface if it was cheaper
20:47
@CuddleBunny Phone or desktop?
@Amy - 120V
they have HTC One M9's and iPhone 6's and such
@Failsafe phone, I have lumia 930
user47589
oh okay. USB chargers have much lower DC voltage.
@TravisJ sounds like a fault, return it?
20:47
I got a lumia 1520
Real fast
is the 930 the Icon?
I still bet it would be faster on 8.1, yeah Icon
@Amy - Yeah they only put out like 1 - 1.4 amps
i heard the camera is pretty sweet
user47589
yeah something like that.
when I downgraded to 8.1 last time though I missed some of the new features
20:48
Hmm. Actually the 128 GB isn't that expensive.
My issued phone is a 930 I think
user47589
i said voltage, i meant amperage, damn.
so I guess I'm overall happy with wp10, despite the inconsistent UX
@TomW - I got it for free on black friday when I bought some other stuff
@CuddleBunny developing for it is easy af
imho
20:49
@TravisJ Ah. Maybe they were giving them away because they sucked.
i use it to make stupid apps
yeah, dev is easy. I just mean first party apps UI/UX is still all over the place
Wait. So WinRT was never the future. Yet they decided to break apart Win 8, risk bad rep and continue to build WinRT?
@Failsafe I still do. But I used to, too.
@DemCodeLines W8 is/was a failure...
20:49
@DemCodeLines winRT would have been the future if ARM was the future
Also that was under Ballmer
Once Satya came in he started changing a lot of things
@TomW - a possibility lol
user47589
Ballmer was very bad for Microsoft.
That said, RT wasn't the reason 8 had a bad rep.
brb meeting
20:50
These people aren't stupid
@Amy I call him Steve Ballbag :))))
They tried something and it failed
It's called business
@Sippy Steve Testiclemer
l0l
user47589
I remember when he threw a chair out the window because Google poached one of his engineers.
20:51
I like the new CEO
Clbuttic
@Amy please say that's on video
@Failsafe Yet Win 10 has been actively promoting the Windows Store, where you can only submit apps written in WinRT.
@DemCodeLines UWP != RT
user47589
i dont think so
@Sippy I thought we already had a Steve Ballbag
20:52
and you can submit win32 to windows 10 store with project centennial
@SteveG o/
user47589
but i'll say it if you want me to
@DemCodeLines Use a bridge?
@CuddleBunny It was Silverlight/WinRT back in 8. But Silverlight got depreciated.
@TomW No, we have a Steve Gooch
Right @Steve?
20:52
They released bridges SPECIFICALLY to allow you to release classic content on the store
UWP runs on OneCore not RT
Come on dude, google a little bit.
The bridges aren't ready though.
Who cares
@CuddleBunny Uses WinRT API's though.
20:53
Android bridge got scuttled though
@CuddleBunny Xamarin fam
They built .NET Core, which is a stripped down version of .NET and has half the good functionality missing.
@DemCodeLines ASP.NET Core runs on .NET 4.6 it has all of that functionality.
> ASP
If you try building a C#/UWP app, you will quickly find out the terribly limited API's available to you.
yeah, I realized what you meant. .NET core is the common runtime and you import the other pieces separately
I've built two UWP apps and have had no issues
20:55
@DemCodeLines I feel like you're arguing for the sake of arguing...
I don't know what you want from us
Or what your point is besides "Everything past Win32 is horrible"
user47589
@Failsafe i got that impression 10 minutes ago
user47589
just drop it already.
@Failsafe Again, I am not trying to argue. I just find it annoying that MS has us believe that UWP is the way to go, yet they themselves aren't following through on it.
Whatever. That's it.
20:58
maybe in 5-10 years it will surpass win32 in terms of capabilities, but it will never be as granular
Generic - Beef Roast, 6 oz 318 0 13 47 0 0
Broccolini - Fresh, Steamed, Raw, 2 cup 50 6 0 5 4 0
Homemade - Pan-fried Salmon, 6 oz 354 0 22 34 0 0
Roasted at Home - Roasted Beets, 2 beets 150 20 2 4 1 2
lunch today
user47589
is there a more succinct way of putting this (JavaScript): !angular.isDefined(this.request.id) || this.request.id === 0?
as for win32 on mobile, HP Workspaces is a possible future solution for that
@Codeman I love me some steamed broccoli
or raw
I love broccoli
same
I loooove me some beets
user47589
20:59
me three
problem is, every time after I eat them, I pee red and think I'm dying
What the fuck
My man, that isn't supposed to happen
!!google beets make your pee red
I gtg home bbl
21:00
!!wtf
> This discolouration of the urine, to red or pink, after eating beets is called beeturia.
No it is not. Stop making shit up, Random Website I've never heard of.
user47589
I was just invited to a meeting of all the sales reps. I replied asking if they invited the right Amy. They said yeah, we want you there. Okay. I accepted the meeting. Two minutes later, they discovered they had the wrong Amy. We apparently both have the same last name.
user47589
I HAVE A CLONE
clony pony
21:03
@Amy uhm
@Amy I used to work with a B. Anderson and a P. Anderson. There was a lot of confusion, they frequently got each other's email
That's pretty odd.
user47589
wow @mikeTheLiar
I'm one of many Dicks where I work.
@Sippy That's true everywhere.
21:05
Mate of mine is the 13th person in his company with that name. They just append N to the email address
1,2,3,4,5,6
N
Or my last job, where two of the C levels were married and both had the same first initial
how annoying.
Where I work, everyone gets first initial and last name for email e.g. [email protected]. Except for the president's kids. They just get their first name.
21:08
Which works great until you hire a Teri Wats (true story)
Apparently at Oracle the company dog is a C-level executive. According to the corporate stationery anyway
And is on the org chart
Given how well Oracle operates it might be an improvement
@TomW he should be the chief poop officer
21:08
Source: friend who interned at Oracle
@Codeman isn't that Larry Ellison?
@TomW that might explain a lot of things about Oracle. I wonder if the dog votes on important decisions.
@mikeTheLiar Poor Sam Hits and Fred Ellatio
user47589
the Bush Beans dog owns 30% of the company
You see that Apple had to manually adjust the kerning on their homepage to avoid saying "[things] with every dick"?
21:11
or they could have used a different font
@KendallFrey brand identity is everything, dude
MEGA FLICKS
It'd be funnier if they'd changed the corporate font at the point that problem was noticed
@mikeTheLiar kidsexchange
@KendallFrey ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
user47589
lol
haha,
I got an SO shirt in the mail yesterday :D Not that anyone ever knows what it is when I go places
user47589
okay i bought that shirt
user47589
please clap
21:37
I tried, threw an exception.
user47589
lol
@TravisJ I've been noticed with mine before
@TravisJ I just got mine yesterday
Also my TDWTF shirt
i mean fuck
last week
words are hard
21:44
I got my shirt as well
and my awesome mug
can you run code analysis on a particular class? or does it have to be an entire project, so that it actually has something to build and run?
<hipster>I've got one of the old-school ones</hipster>
Which actually makes me mad because I like the new ones more
@KendallFrey - Words aren't the only thing.
My brother recognized it and I have no idea how
guys, the bug I'm working now, I noticed the data is placed in the grid during the post action but when I redirect to partial view, the data is lost
21:45
@TravisJ damn you
lol
<hoarder>I have 3 of them :(</hoarder>
What do you have to do to get a shirt?
words
However, the data persists in the database, it just doesn't show up in the view
what travis said
lol
I got 2 from meta competitions, and 1 from a free giveaway
21:46
@TomW past tense. did
I got 1 from a free meta giveaway
I got 2 from 10 million questions
lol
they had two giveaways
I don't think I'm prepared to set foot in meta for any item of clothing
I hate shopping with all my soul, even more than meta
so hey, free shirt
21:47
I am fairly active on meta. I am not active on shopping at all.
I'm not active at all
My idea of exercise is eating
Gotta work those arm muscles
here's one I haven't run into
what would you guys do if a company wanted to make you an offer and they gave you a range and asked what your desired salary is ?
@TravisJ oh I don't need to eat to work those
@Codeman the top of the range, obviously
21:49
@Codeman take the top?
I'm thinking either say "that range sounds good - where do you feel I fall within it?" or just say top of the range, lol
If you've got that much money to spend, then I want that much, thanks
it ain't about what you deserve, it's about what they can afford
yeah
#ImGodsGiftToThisPlanet
21:50
@Codeman - Uhm, I have no clue anymore
Don't tell me what your budget is then ask me how much of it I want, that's stupid
yeah, I agree
I know predicates are expressions that are true or false. But what is a predicate function?
@RyanTernier what would you do?
@Codeman About ?
21:52
@Codeman - I guess I would tell them that you were at the top of their range and that you are a stalwart candidate. However, I would also say that while they may have a range in mind you also have an expected level of compensation that may not fall in that range.
@DemCodeLines I guess a function that returns true or false
they gave her a range of $130k-$145k
@Codeman Oh for desired salary? It depends, how arrogant / cocky is the person offering?
@DemCodeLines - That is the lambda expression you place in a .Where() call
so it's a good salary, not like they're underbidding her or anything
21:52
@TravisJ Well, I was asking theoretically.
Wait... someone told your friend "We'll pay you 130-145k to work for us" ? That's a tricky question because it's a loaded question. she should go 147.5k or 150.
@DemCodeLines - It is something that evaluates to true or false given an input.
user47589
!!wiki functional predicate
In formal logic and related branches of mathematics, a functional predicate, or function symbol, is a logical symbol that may be applied to an object term to produce another object term. Functional predicates are also sometimes called mappings, but that term has other meanings as well. In a model, a function symbol will be modelled by a function. Specifically, the symbol F in a formal language is a functional symbol if, given any symbol X representing an object in the language, F(X) is again a symbol representing an object in that language. In typed logic, F is a functional symbol with domain type...
Beers on your friend
user47589
21:54
it comes from math.
a -> Bool
I'd ask for the top range and say something like "with my experience in XYZ, I can deliver exceptional value in XYZ areas."
vow, u guyz so halpfool
@Codeman With my experience in keyboard mashing, I can say much buzzwords
user47589
@DemCodeLines i can't tell if that's serious or sarcasm
21:57
wait, I figured out a good response
Recruiter,

That range sounds like it's in the realm of what I'm looking for. I'm looking forward to meeting the team tomorrow and finding out more about the role. Would you be able to have a final offer ready for me after that?

Thanks,

You
user47589
looks good to me
@Codeman jfc I clearly went wrong somewhere in life.
@mikeTheLiar how so?
!!urban jfc
@Codeman [JFC](http://jfc.urbanup.com/5172321) "Jesus Fucking Christ"

Used when extremely aggravated, confused, excited, or all of the above.
6 mins ago, by Codeman
they gave her a range of $130k-$145k
What position is offering this range of salary?
21:59
yeah, that's not too crazy
software engineer, IC level
user47589
IC level?
she's a little less experienced than me
IC = individual contributor = you don't manage people

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