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10:01 AM
They can monitor/audit failed logon attemps (should know how to do it) and detect WTF is blocking an admin account
I once asked that because somehow my account was being locked and, surprise, another user was typing a wrong login
The audit was useful, they could remind the user what his credentials were
plus my account did not get blocked again
 
@bradbury9 I was specifically going onto the file server to try and find a project he was working on
and had to dick around for 20 minutes getting access again
 
I store my active projects on the local machine anyway
Fuck network latency when working with git
 
Couldnt you add rights to your user account instead?
 
So did I
@bradbury9 no, that's the problem
You had to take ownership of his user account folder
then give access to domain admins
 
Wait what
No you don't
 
10:05 AM
Narrator: yes I did
 
I mean, its a solution
 
You'd get the "You don't have permission to view this list" or whatever the fuck it was
 
But that's basically the nuclear option
 
so there was literally no other way to get access
 
Powershell Set-Acl is your friend
 
10:06 AM
The senior support guy showed me how to do it because he was tired of me asking him everytime lmao
it worked and it annoyed him in the process which was a bonus, specifically because i shouldn't have had to do that in the first place
 
Just got a badge named "Unsung hero" lol stackoverflow.com/help/badges/226/unsung-hero
 
congrats!
 
Looks like I answer questions nobody cares about
 
10:25 AM
Guys. Many of us don't mind strong language. Some do. The fact that some of us are regulars here doesn't mean this place is ours, and it should be more welcoming to more people. So kindly dial down the profanity. This is a public place.
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mr5
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan sorry. Can you move my message to trash please?
 
You can simply delete it. :)
 
10:42 AM
not if its too long ago
or... maybe mr5 can because RO
iDunno
(mr5 is RO, right?)
 
@Wietlol yes he is
look for names in italics
 
I have trouble looking at names
 
I should make a fork of rlemon's chrome plugin and make the owner class red or something
 
font-size: 40px;
funny... it wont work
the default of 0.8em would override it
I love CSS
 
10:52 AM
Oh shit
I never knew that was why some people were italicised
 
Can't you just add a bunch of ! to tell CSS you really mean it?
 
you can say it is !important
aka, not important
oh, how much I love CSS
I like the idea of splitting html css and js/code
but it never works out really
so, now, I prefer to have it all in one language
with css rules applied on elements instead of applied to a page
it is a struggle to still get SLA and SOC to accept it, but I think it still pays off
class RoomOwner(
	user: User
) : User by user
{
	override val style =
		user.style.apply {
			fontSize = 40.px
		}
}
I love decorators
(this time not sarcastic)
 
theres a new "Lion king" movie
are you starring in it ?
 
I would certainly be staring at it
 
11:13 AM
I have to say that the choice to make it entirely non-anthropomorphic CGI seems very odd and unappealing to me, but I also raised an eyebrow at the live action remakes of Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin, and most people who watched those said they were great, so I'll reserve judgement and trust the finely tuned money-making entertainment-machine that is Disney to know what they're doing.
 
hmm
I watched it as a kid(the original)
i re-watched it recently , its still a great movie
but yes im also unsure about the new one, with all the CGI stuff..
 
11:37 AM
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who hacked my pc again ?
I bet it was Harry
hes a mean guy
 
the sad thing about the live action movies is that they age much faster
im not sure about movies that are made nowadays, but I guess time will tell
 
yeah they dont age well
 
:46777065 Good thing you removed it, because next time it's automatic kick-ban.
 
It was just a joke(insert random race) but i get your point
 
The fact that it's a joke doesn't make it not racist and abusive.
a joke can be racist and abusive.
 
11:47 AM
yes, i went over the line with that one
I'm sorry
 
Saying "it's a joke" is normalization of racism and abuse into everyday language.
 
eh
It depends
"Jokes" like that are very on the line
 
Feel free to tell them to your friends, in circles where the lines are clearer. They have no place in public forums.
 
@CaptainSquirrel Sorry, but that's bullshit. In my experience, saying "I wasn't offensive, you were offended" is 99% in defense of being offensive.
 
11:52 AM
"Just because you find something offensive, does not mean what was said was offensive"
 
The fact that something is funny doesn't mean it's not offensive. The fact that it's not offensive to you doesn't mean it's not offensive.
You can always find edge cases of people who get offended by the most ridiculous things. Sure, they exist. But my years have taught me that they're not the common case, and if someone tells you you were being offensive, the right thing to do is apologize and try to understand.
 
it's like defensive driving. You should drive defensively. You will get a lot of comments like "get off the road snail", but it doesn't make you wrong practicing.
 
IMO its completely situational
 
I didnt mean to stir up the pot
 
it depends on the context on what was said, who said it and how the said it
 
11:55 AM
it was just a bad "joke"
 
@ntohl Driving slowly != driving safely in all cases
 
Because even if you didn't mean to offend, the fact was that people were offended. Now, if your response to "I was offended" is "that's your problem, not mine, I wasn't being offensive"? That's being an asshole. That's saying that other people's feelings don't matter, only your own.
 
It wont happen again
 
it's a bit like the definition of being crazy. Technically, you aren't a judge of whether or not you're crazy. The definition of what is crazy is defined by others
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan in a situation where you tell a joke to 100 people and 1 person is offended by it
The apology i would see as acceptable is, i'm sorry that you found that offensive
 
11:56 AM
well there should be a cutoff somewhere clearly
 
@CaptainSquirrel That's not an apology at all.
 
the care bears would be offensive to 1 out of a million, but that doesn't mean it should be censored
 
That's saying "I'm sorry you're wrong".
 
@MadaraUchiha still. You will get a hoard more comment from self-righteous drivers
 
Not at all
 
11:57 AM
@CaptainSquirrel In a situation where I told a joke and anyone was offended, I'd apologize and say I'm sorry and I didn't mean to offend. Yes, even 1 person.
 
@ntohl A big thing about driving safety is about being predictable.
 
@MadaraUchiha that's what I've always believed
 
If your apology only refers to what the other side did or didn't ("was offended"), you're not apologizing. Apologizing is acknowledging your part of it.
 
If you're going 30 at a road where everyone is going 50, you are unpredictable, even if the sign says 30
 
exactly
 
11:58 AM
And I always prefer to have the laws of physics on my side, even if the laws of the country are not.
 
Ok here's a question @AvnerShahar-Kashtan
 
Being right doesn't help you if you're dead.
 
If you made a joke, that was offensive to yourself
and only yourself
And yet somehow, someone was offended by what you said
how would you deal with that
Because you've targeted yourself, not this person that is offended
 
@CaptainSquirrel I'm not sure I understood the scenario you're describing.
 
I dunno
 
11:59 AM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Self deprecating humor
 
If I understood correctly.
 
you are unpredictable, when a refuse collector drives in front of you
 
Let's say I made a joke at the expense of Israelis in a place I was the only Israeli. And someone took offense. Would I apologize? Yes.
 
and the others are honking at you
not the refuse collector in front of you
Avner got a point...
 
12:00 PM
Since when should "they be honking at me" affect your driver's decision making process in any way?
 
I didn't target myself. I targeted a group of people. And people might have all sorts of reasons to be offended by gross generalizations. Even if I targeted myself personally, and someone has issues with self-depracation, and said they found it offensive. I would apologize, yes. Because I offended someone, and that's a good enough reason to apologize.
 
Being offended for someone is where the line is drawn imo
 
chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/46777168#46777168 honking at you the same as getting comments
 
My apology might be "Oh, I'm sorry. It's my form of self-deprecating humor, I didn't think it would feel offensive to someone else, but if it does, I'll stop".
That seems like a pretty fair apology to me.
 
I'm from Israel, they honk at you for not starting to drive while the light is about to go yellow
 
12:01 PM
If i made a joke about my girlfriend, who found it funny
and someone came up to me and told me that they found my joke about my girlfriend offensive
 
First thing I was taught is to completely disregard honking :D
 
The light goes from red to yellow to green?
 
nice
 
@RoelvanUden Yes
 
how would you handle that situation @AvnerShahar-Kashtan ?
 
12:02 PM
It's actually red, then red+yellow, then green, then blinking green (about to end), then back to yellow, then back to red.
 
That's different. :-D
 
(I'm just curious as to your way of thinking, i'm not trying to back you into a corner or trip you up)
 
@CaptainSquirrel Very similarly to the previous one. "We both found it funny, I understand that you didn't, and I'm sorry. If it's a touchy subject, I'll keep that in mind next time".
Because my default assumption is that I want people to not be offended. I want people to enjoy my company. I view offending people as a thing to avoid, not as a side-effect of living that can't be fixed.
 
@MadaraUchiha wow
over here it goes from red to green directly
but from green to orange to red
 
12:04 PM
Yeah, Israeli drivers are... impatient? I'll say impatient. I'll use the mildest term possible and say "impatient". :)
 
no thats not true
 
> odd
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan impatient is probably the weakest word I'd use to describe the mindset, yes :D
 
what am I saying ?
I'm disturbed..
 
you are saying "I'm disturbed.. Hans1984"
 
12:05 PM
On that note, have you heard about the Israeli Queue data structure? :D
 
why did i say that in the first place
anyway
 
It's like a priority queue, but when you push an item, it will seek out a "friend" in the queue, and jump directly to it, so that similar items can be batch processed
 
@MadaraUchiha Heh.
 
I'm not even joking, it's a real thing :D
So remember, next time someone passes you over in queue because their friend is ahead of you, remember that we're famous for it :D
 
or the italian priority queue where when you pop an item from the list, you somehow end up with the entire list
 
12:08 PM
The next time someone passes over me in a queue because their friend is ahead of me, I'll be asking them "What in the fcuk they think they are doing" & telling them "get to the back of the queue"
As that is not standard queuing procedure
 
@CaptainSquirrel Ah, but you see, in terms of general efficiency, having groups form in your queue is usually beneficial overall
Since batch processing of a group generally takes about the same time as processing an individual
(Think cinema tickets, what's better, 10 people buying one ticket each at a time, or one person buying 10 tickets for 10 people all at once?)
 
you'd generally just make a "group" an individual item in a queue to handle that
 
@Neil So the Israeli Queue data structure is an abstraction over this concept, allowing you to treat it like a normal queue.
 
the only way where this would be fitting is if the ordering of the items in the list, also amongst individuals of the same group, would vary
 
@MadaraUchiha I checked which other NPM packages have the tag. Just a couple of packages for validating Israeli phone numbers, ID numbers and bank accounts. :)
 
12:13 PM
😃 Makes sense
 
@MadaraUchiha hey man, if you don't queue correctly with your friends or you don't arrive in time, that sounds like a you problem :P
 
@CaptainSquirrel You obviously have never queued in Israel before. :)
 
I have not :D
IMO its just rude as fuck
 
@CaptainSquirrel For sure, doesn't change the fact that it's in the best interest of "the system" to allow you to get together with your friends and batch process you all
@CaptainSquirrel Israel? Yes.
 
however, that's from a British point of view
 
12:15 PM
Yeah, Israeli manners are seen as quite rude in the UK and most of the US.
 
In your example @MadaraUchiha surely it would be beneficial to get whomever is already in the queue to just buy tickets for anyone else that isn't queuing at that time
 
@CaptainSquirrel Indeed, but that's global state :D
 
Each place has their own way of doing things i guess
 
@CaptainSquirrel For real-world people, sure. In terms of the data-structure, that's exactly what grouping the newcomers with the group leader means.
 
In regards to data, I see how that would be beneficial
 
12:16 PM
To be fair, most of my problems today are people hurrying to get on the bus and not letting people down. In those cases, I found that just standing there and not letting them board, while I stare at them expectantly works wonderfully.
 
Plus, no one gets offended if data gets prioritized over others
:D
 
@CaptainSquirrel Depends if those bytes are Kosher or not.
 
Let people off the bus first before trying to board
 
There are all sorts of guidebooks for Israelis to interpret British/American forms of speech (and the other way around). English speakers come off as extremely hypocritical and evasive to Israelis, while Israelis come off as blunt and rude.
 
Non Kosher bytes are frowned upon in Israel.
@CaptainSquirrel You'd think that'd be common sense.
 
12:17 PM
What kind of person would board before people get off
that's just daft
 
Like, I get pushed when I stand there and let people get off before I try to board
 
@MadaraUchiha Only if you think of efficiency for the whole system, rather than for the individual. For instance, in heavy traffic, when cars constantly switch lanes, they actually slow down everyone on the road. But when the individual car is only looking for short-term gains, nobody wins.
 
Not pushed in the sense of "get on the bus you duck" but in the sense of "I'll just walk forward because I have no doubt that the dude in front of me will push through the people getting off"
 
@CaptainSquirrel Next you'll tell me people are supposed to stand on the right/left of the escalator to let people walking faster overtake them. In Israel, moving aside to let other people go faster than you? Unthinkable!
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Prisoner's dilemma, only with nobody trusting anyone to do the right thing :D
 
12:20 PM
Honestly, I think i'd explode if i was living in Israel (no pun intended)
Just based on the queuing and the boarding of the bus
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan In fact, why don't I just stop chatting with my buddy with both of us having baby strollers and block the entire sidewalk, and ignore everyone else standing there? They can get down to the road, after all
 
I don't know if the hot weather is part of the cause for the impatience, or just a bad thing to combine with it, but yeah, it can get intense.
 
...i forgot about the tempurature
 
@MadaraUchiha Ugh. I take my two kids to kindergarten every morning. There isn't a day - a single day - when there isn't a car blocking the sidewalk at some point along the way.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I hate those
 
12:22 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan youtube.com/user/Lomak1581
 
And the newer thing in Tel Aviv, people leaving their rented scooters and whatnot on the sidewalk blocking it off
 
IIRC there is a law or something in the UK that requires you to leave enough room for a stroller to get past
when you park on the pavement
 
@MadaraUchiha Ah, yes, we've imported that recently.
 
@CaptainSquirrel There are laws like that here too
Nobody enforces those.
 
lmao
Parking wardens work wonders :D
 
12:23 PM
I know for a fact that Tel Aviv, as a semi-official policy, will not give tickets to cars blocking sidewalks before 9:00.
 
If it were up to me? I'd hire 5x the amount of inspectors/policemen and pay with them with the bazillion fines and tears of the general populace.
 
That's because there's a huge shortage of parking spots compared to the number of people actually living there.
 
>tears of the general populace.
The beatings will continue until moral improves
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan there's a "two-laned" roundabout here where cars regularly park on the outer lane as if it were parking
there are arrows indicating where you exit the roundabout, and they're literally parking on top of it
 
@MadaraUchiha The problem is that those people blocking the sidewalk? They're also the general populace.
 
12:25 PM
@Neil slash the tyres
 
So saying "I'm going to make having a car in Tel-Aviv even more of a pain that it currently is" is bad for re-election.
 
Then they have an excuse to be parked on a roundabout
 
@MadaraUchiha definitely. hire some policemen and pay their salary in the tickets they give out
 
"I'm going to make parking better for everyone" under breathby increasing parking fines by 50000%
@CaptainObvious help, i don't know what to do for lunch
I'm under strict orders from the womans to "Treat myself"
 
the police here are so laissez faire here
unless someone is actively complaining, police do nothing
someone needs to take photos of these cars on the roundabout and publish them to the local newspaper
 
12:28 PM
I mean, sure, I believe that restricting private vehicles in densely-packed Tel-Aviv is a good thing. I believe that there should be a congestion charge, huge, free parking lots with free shuttles at the city borders, and massive investment in public transportation. But then we get back to the short-term views of the people who currently don't have good public transportation, and want to get to work with their car.
They don't want to pay more. They don't want to park outside and take a shuttle and spend 20-30 minutes more in their commute.
 
@CaptainObvious you have been of absolutely 0 help. i hope you are happy
clearly, this is your fault
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I do agree that the way to do that is bettering the infrastructure
public transportation that doesn't suck, parking solutions, better bicycle infrastructure
But not having those things doesn't give you the right to shit on everyone else's time/space and break the law.
 
Yup. But the best way to get those is to bite into the private car infrastructure - more clearly separated bicycle lanes, more public transport lanes - and car drivers have a strong lobby.
 
Parking on the sidewalk is illegal for a reason, saying "oh, but otherwise there's no parking" is not only an invalid excuse, it's not even true.
 
I was having a conversation at work today about the future of autonomous driving and how I though that the billions spent on it are trying to solve the wrong problems - you can fix public transportation with a fraction of the cost.
But no-one was willing to consider it. They're used to their cars. They want their cars. I couldn't even convince them that the advantages they listed - privacy, the ability to go anywhere at any time - are luxuries that should be treated as such, not as the default mode of transportation.
 
12:36 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Yup.
It's like the fiasco with Sde Dov
Someone did the math and it came up that closing Sde Dov and arranging for helicopter transport 5 times a day from Tel Aviv to Eilat, would be more cost effective than keeping Sde Dov operational :D
 
That sounds right. Even better - simply adding more trains to Ben-Gurion airport, where there are already flights to Eilat - will be better. For most people, getting to the airport is already much easier than to Sde Dov.
 
cars have strong lobby here too
 
To be fair, the fact that you don't have public transportation for ~48 hours every week makes cars very appealing.
 
I dont have a car and I am ok with it
I pay for taxis 140~ or something on the weekends
but its pretty much better in price than owning a car
 
@misha130 Me neither, I normally just walk
Put on a book from Audible and I can walk 2 hours straight without even noticing
 
12:44 PM
in this heat
 
@misha130 D E T E R M I N A T I O N.
 
heat will come back to Germany next week
ugh
:(
 
Although yes, in this heat, I usually go "Huh, this is a lovely day, I think I'll program with the shutters open today"
 
@MadaraUchiha Yup. If I didn't have to go to Haifa or Jaffa every couple of weeks for Friday night or Saturday dinners, I would consider giving up my car.
@misha130 Try getting back from Haifa to Tel-Aviv with two kids in a taxi on a Friday night. :)
If I had a bus to Jaffa or a train to Haifa on weekends, I would definitely use them.
 
well its always hot in Israel aint it ?
does it ever get really cold ?
 
12:46 PM
@Hans1984 It does get cold
 
@Hans1984 It gets to 6-8 degrees in the winter.
 
But the summers are long and ovenlike.
 
It does ?
oh
 
In Tel-Aviv, anyway. In Jerusalem, up in the mountains, it can get down to freezing, and it snows a bit every few years.
 
Like I expect it to be about this hot here for the next 3-4 months easily.
 
12:47 PM
But "winter" is, like, 2-3 months, and even then you have warm days.
 
I see
 
"Summer" starts in May and ends in October.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Although summer did come by rather late this year, in mid-June it was still very pleasant outside.
 
Yeah. Probably means we're going to be hot through November.
Anyway, I'll head home early today because I've got someone to take to swim class. Have fun, y'all.
 
Yup v_v
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Toodles
 
12:50 PM
bye
 

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