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10:00 AM
the real interview is the technical one which follows
 
The interview yesterday was pretty straightforward, my boss talked to client boss-of-boss, who talked to client boss prior to that. Basically the message forwarded to me was that I was expected to wake the fuck up. I said it was hard when promised to do .NET and getting 2 months of studying papers and scripts, also this complaint came after doing 2 things: a VB6 window (no complaint) and the script.
I was told there were 2 phases, phase 1 is all this BS, when it's over I can move forward to phase 2.
and phase 2 is .NET MVC apparently, so I'm not gonna work with any top-notch tech in the best case scenario.
 
sounds like an ideal place of work </sarcasm>
 
of course, being emotially down due to all my expectations blowing up in front of my face is no excuse for being incompetent, so I apologized for that. Appart from this, I'm simply afloat.
 
> I was expected to wake the fuck up
 
Starting to believe software development isn't my thing.
 
10:04 AM
And deal with the language you weren't hired to use
hmm
@HéctorÁlvarez been there, done that, got the t-shirt
The solution is a new job
Trust me on that
 
you're probably suited to this line of work. The real question is whether or not you'd want it.
 
IMO it sounds like you are just in a job that is soul sucking
(And that lied to you when you were hired)
 
yeah, that's a red flag if I've ever seen one
 
^ looks like HR lie in yo face too. So why shouldn't I?
 
I mean I do overreact to some things, but i feel like being told to wake the fuck up and do a job that I'm literally not trained to do
I'd say yeah ok, I've woken up
I'm quitting BYEEEEEEE
 
10:08 AM
First of all I'll prove I'm not incompetent, that much I'm certain of. And when I've earned back their trust I'll make a decision.
 
my wife worked somewhere where they left her in a room all day, because the person doing the training was supposed to be in at any moment
 
Nah, I'd find a new job and jump ship ASAP
 
> First of all I'll prove I'm not incompetent
 
They didn't tell her anything.. lunch break came and went, and she just continued to wait in this room
 
Don't
 
10:09 AM
guess how that job turned out? spoilers: it didn't turn out well
 
If they ask why you're leaving, "Because I'm not doing the work that was advertised to me when I Joined. You asked me to wake up & I did, which is why i'm leaving. "
or something similar
 
DO NOT. I tell you. They just planted a trap. An emotional trap. They just want to suck out the result of that upset. Use you up, like a mop
 
^
Don't give the time of day to someone who lies to you
 
after seing the coming results, the expectations will be bigger. That's all you will get for your efforts
 
I never fail except when I actually fail and I'm gonna step up. I want to prove myself that despite being bullshit I can still deal with it.
 
10:10 AM
@HéctorÁlvarez you have nothing to prove
 
^
 
Especially to someone who (Unless I'm missing something), doesn't seem to care about you
 
Picture yourself in my position, I've been unemployed for 6 months, first job lasts 3 months, references won't be good.
 
and if you get to phase 2, they will always bang your head to the sentence, that you would work more efficiently, even if you overdo anything possible
 
That's a CV nuke.
 
10:11 AM
@HéctorÁlvarez which is why you find a job before you leave
 
Don't put up with that bullshit just to prove something to yourself. Rather prove to yourself that you can do this line of work and actually enjoy yourself doing it..
 
Also i've been in that exact position
had a job for a year & 6 months
then had a job for 3 months
then 2 months
 
@HéctorÁlvarez you don't have to put it in your CV
it'll be like never having the job to begin with
 
@Neil Then it's 9 months of void
 
@HéctorÁlvarez then find yourself a different job in the mean time
 
10:12 AM
fine, nothing wrong with that
 
that's ok
 
@CaptainSquirrel Oh well, that's interesting.
 
put the 9 month void
 
@HéctorÁlvarez I mean i was quite lucky, don't get me wrong
BUT
You don't have to be lucky, you just have to find the right job
 
That seems impossible in Spain, and I'm not all that willing to move abroad right now.
 
10:13 AM
This is going to sound cheesy and i fully realize it
But think of life like a bow and arrow
 
it helps to remember that it is a business relationship afterall. Sure, they have to hire you first, but you have to accept it
 
going to be sick
 
All life's downs are just the arrow being pulled back further and further to shoot you ahead to new & better prospects
 
it works both ways
 
Correct
 
10:15 AM
I was the devil in my previous job's end. HR would threaten me to black list me on HR boards. I got the "expected to wake the fuck up" too. Next job first year: Employee of the Year...
 
> HR would threaten me to black list me on HR boards
lol what
That sounds toxic af
 
There are so many things swirling around in my head right now... part of my fear is that I've quitted several jobs right now, I didn't like hard enough to stay, so am I really doing this wrong?
 
@HéctorÁlvarez without falling over, you'll never learn to walk
 
@ntohl jesus, what did you do to piss them off that much?
 
and without learning to walk, you'll never learn to run
etc etc
 
10:16 AM
the HR girl just told me, that it's not as big market as I think is.
 
Right, but it also crossed my head that I should not assume what I liked at first should be what I'd be doing.
 
@Neil I went to an interview on my sickness leave...
 
I can see why
"The beatings will continue until morale improves!" -HR
 
basically
@HéctorÁlvarez both of those two jobs (the 3 months & 2 months) i fucking hated
BUT i needed a job
And worked said job until i was able to leave and get a better one
SO
Find a new job
like i said, if you need to
get a temporary job doing something else and work on your coding skills in the mean time
build a small web app or something
 
gotta go now
 
10:19 AM
o7
Best of luck @HéctorÁlvarez
 
thank you as always :)
 
<3
Keep your head up
 
keep your heart STRONG
 
AND YOUR BODY STRONK LIKE BULL
 
<insert motivational speech here!>
joking aside, you'll do fine. Change jobs though if anything because it sounds toxic af
 
10:21 AM
embrace as long as you could, and never let your CV-s stop floating
 
hint: you can look for another job while you're still working your current job
 
@Neil you don't have to put it in the CV? Why not? Or how not?
 
You don't have to put things on your CV
You can omit what you want
 
@kame well it's not like a law that you have to put the job in your CV
 
youre just not allowed to lie
 
10:22 AM
You might have to answer questions about why things aren't on there
but that's different & can be dealt with as/when it happens
 
you normally wouldn't omit a job, but you would if the absence of that job is better than listing it for whatever reason
 
quite
IIRC I don't have all of my GCSE's on my CV
I got a D in Drama (because i prompted someone during the exam)
 
what, Hector survived ???
 
which isn't on there
 
i didnt put my physics a level
 
10:24 AM
@Hans1984 yes, TL;DR is boss his a fucktard
 
oh
 
@CaptainSquirrel But when there is a huge gap they will ask you about this gap
 
@kame which is why ideally you'd want to be doing something else in the meantime
E.G. work on a personal project or something
 
@CaptainSquirrel I am 10 month at home now. :(
 
So then you have the ability to say, "That gap is because I left the job that was not best suited for me, so I left and started working on things in the meantime (show example of project or whatever here)"
To allow you to develop your skills or something
idk
 
10:27 AM
@CaptainSquirrel I was ill for about 7 month (rehab)
 
well i mean thats a pretty good reason
 
Now I am programming for 2 month again. But almost tutorials and no real project :/
 
You don't necessarily need to go into detail
 
@Harry You mean I should tell the company about my burn-out? :/
 
10:28 AM
the first few weeks of unemployment after a stressfull Job are great
but then it gets worse every week
 
yes
 
@kame I have a hard time programming something for myself
 
been there done that..
 
The motivation is entirely inflated, and while maybe I really want it done when I start, that changes from day to day quite quickly
 
but i think my longest gap of unemployment was 7 months
but i was applying like crazy
 
10:29 AM
At work it's a bit different for me, oddly enough
 
no, it was actually only 6months
 
@Neil Interessting :D
 
oc you cant be too picky
at some Point your just happy to have ANY Job at all
of Course still in IT
but for example a it Support Job instead of a developer job
 
@kame if they ask
i mean
you dont have to
you can make it as basic as you like, just say you were ill or had some other personal issues
 
Hi guys
I dont understand this line :
First, you can't change the implementations inherited from parent classes at run-time, because inheritance is defined at compile-time
Most importantly this part :
First, you can't change the implementations inherited from parent classes at run-time
what does it mean exactly?
 
10:34 AM
@ILoveStackoverflow well I mean how could you?
you're going to setup a base class and an implementing class at runtime?
 
Can you give me an example
Currently I am reading a book where this was written
I got cocnfused by reading it as there was no example(code) mention there
 
@ILoveStackoverflow Can I give you an example of how something can't be done? no.
 
Often mistaken for rubber ducks
 
I was asked if I could program in Java in my next job. How much time do I need to work with Java when I "know" C# now. 1 week, 3 weeks, 6 weeks?
Because Java and C# are similar right?
 
@kame that's such a relative thing.. there's also all the libraries which come with java
If it is purely java, as in you're writing a console program sense.. then yeah, it's fairly straightforward to learn
but chances are you're not writing a console program but a web application
 
10:39 AM
@Neil And to know, find and use the libraries is maybe the most time consumable part
 
yep, I'd say so
 
@Neil It would be software testing. I have 2 years experience in software testing in C#
 
@kame ok, well you probably wouldn't need to know java anyway for that
 
:D
 
do you have to write unit tests or are you simply running the program?
 
10:40 AM
@Neil Unit tests with Selenium and NUnit
 
@kame junit in the case of java :)
 
there is also some manual work :(
 
@Neil Does that sentence means that "I have a child class and 1 method in base class as virtual or abstract.Now i cant change implementation of that method at runtime because i have already define implementation at runtime"
Is this correct?
 
@Neil I think the frameworks are quite similar
 
@ILoveStackoverflow I think it just means that if your existing method returns a string in all caps, and you want it to instead return a string in lower caps, you can't simply "redefine" the method at runtime
@kame junit is very very similar to nunit, yeah
you'll probably do fine, just don't bite off too much to start
you should probably look into the jvm library, since that is very important to familiarizing yourself with java
 
10:44 AM
@Neil Is this JVM especially for testing? Or
 
@kame no, java virtual machine
 
okay
 
the whole engine from the jdk (java development kit) on down
 
Big mistake by SO
Never trust ne Squirrel in trainnig
evil high-pitched laughter
 
The implementation of a subclass becomes so bound up with the implementation of its parent class that any change in the parent's implementation will force the subclass to change.
 
10:49 AM
@Squirrelintraining your SO rep won't go up though
 
I've noticed
It should be over 400 in SO
 
Why? The +100 is only for new sites you register to, not the site that gives you the bonus.
 
Check the first one avni
 
I'm also registered in SO
 
10:51 AM
The squirrel fam is getting back together
@Squiggle where you at
 
Ideas why my question got downvoted?
-1
Q: Publish WebApi application to multiple targets

SquirrelkillerSo I'm trying to automate our update, but I can't find how, also since this question only got a big hack as answer. We have multiple servers, so it's tedious to do it all by hand. We currently do file system publish to one server, and then manually copy to the other servers. Is there any way to ...

 
@CaptainSquirrel Thats the real question here
@Squirrelkiller Wall of text, no pretty images?
 
That's quite the ineffective wall at that height then
 
10:53 AM
The guy who recommended docker saw your mention of "We can't do that yet"
and was so outraged, he downvoted
however
 
Oh believe me, I am too
 
He never expected a squirrel to upvote a fellow squirrel
And thus, the question was neutral was again
 
He did indeed undersetimate the fam
Thanks Cap'n
 
o7
I also don't see any issue with that or why anyone would downvote
oh god
vs 2012?!
 
@Squirrelkiller Trump would still dig it
 
10:54 AM
DOWNVOTE
 
@Squirrelkiller Are your servers Windows or Linux?
 
Windows, or we'd long be on docker
 
@CaptainSquirrel Can do :D
 
also .net 4.0 sometimes :(
 
@Squirrelkiller can you not use a powershell script to run on publish?
 
10:55 AM
As you can XCopy already to one, I assume you can access an admin share? A unc path like \\servername\C$
 
I'm guessing you are publishing manually?
 
This particular application I got on net472 already though, so maybe I can soon split it off and throw it on docker
 
@Squirrelkiller Could you use docker with windows? No?
 
@Squirrelkiller what source control are you using?
 
Whtas wrong with yor CI/DI?
 
10:56 AM
We use Octopus Deploy here at Cashplus, which is awesome.
 
tCashplus SQUIRRELS CAN'T USE KEYBOARDS
fuck
I wanted to search :(
 
We're using gitlab, so I could change the whole thing from publish to just xcopy everything where I need it I guess.
Adn yes we're publishing manually
No docker for windows, there are lik 7 peopel that will have my head
 
I feel for you, I did all of our publishing/deploying at my last place :(
@Squirrelkiller do they at least have good reasons for not wanting it?
 
You forgot your control, Cap'n
 
I am not baised either way, as i've no experience or knowledge of docker
 
10:58 AM
Yeah it's hard to know where to start automating. Keep it simple to start with. How are you building your deployable files?
 
For not wanting docker for windwos? Yes, we're in the (long) process of migrating to dotnet core and linux docker
 
gitlab
I have no experience with gitlab :( But I assume you can execute cmd lines or powershell scripts?
 
@CaptainSquirrel My guess? It feels too broad. No "what have I already tried", no specifics.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I can see that
 
Yeah we can execute cmd scripts. Don't wanna try and get it to use powershell, too much fiddling with stuff.
 
11:03 AM
Well getting a good CI/CD pipeline is a long fiddle I am afraid, took me a good 3 years to get us where we are today, I had to canvas and get minds on board and sell it.
 
It took me 2 years of constantly bring it up & then handing my notice to finally be able to do our CI/CD Pipeline to the dev environment 😞
(the handing my notice part wasn't related....i think)
 
This company was in the process of implementing the pipeline when I started here. They're generally open to good ideas, since they want to keep being the market leader.
 
Sometimes eager peeps are worse than lax ones because they all have their own idea of how it should be.
 
Maybe
But we had many issues that would have been solved by actually dedicating a week or two to CI/CD
Instead of "dedicating a week" to the Development Environment, telling me that i have a week dedicated to that
And still being expected to do my regular work
 
Baby steps, it always seams impossible especially in the beginning. You just have to timebox and push forward no matter how tiny a piece of effort.
 
11:12 AM
I mean i got it done in the end and documented everything so
!!shrug
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
not my problem anymore
 
squirrel steps
so to speak
 
Squirrel hops
 
wow. I just realized how Panini free the chat got. Also no mention to Jicama
 
11:14 AM
yeah
hops
 
Squirrels ate the panini.
 
Hops -> Beer!
 
this chat isn't panini free.. I just made a sandwich of the message above mine
 
You know where you can stick that panini hate?
!!panini
 
May 4 '16 at 14:23, by Caprica Six
Jan 12 at 16:55, by Markus Werner
to all stupid put all "Panini" in your asshole
 
11:16 AM
I thought panini made stickers
 
s/"Panini"/"Panini Hate"
 
Maybe it's not panini-free, but all the panini are safely ensconced in rectal cavities.
2
 
probably no longer edible, really, if we're being perfectly honest here
 
Not with that attitude
@Hans1984 who dat
 
11:23 AM
the guy from the caprica command
 
oh lmao
not been active for 3 years
> Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
I love it
Thanks asp.net, i know exactly what the issue is :D
(sarcasm)
 
How would you write a mind-map tool in C#? How could I create the graphical output?
Should I use a web application?
 
With nullable reference types in C# 8.0 when we add for example string in parameters action (like public IActionResult Index(string text, int number) text is assigned to null without warnings (when we not pass text in request)
Is it a bug or something i miss?
 
@CaptainSquirrel No line number in the stack trace? Or at least method name for a release build.
 
11:38 AM
When try text = null; in Index action it produces normal error Converting null literal or possible null value to non-nullable type.
I thought it text should produce non-null defaults like empty string
 
@HollyStyles literally no relevant information
Me thinks imma have to check the app insights when senior is back in the office
 
@CaptainSquirrel Gah I have same pain, get issue reported from service desk. Well did you check the logs? I don't have access to production! Get me the log maybe I can help
 
At my last place, my boss kept saying "Dev's will no longer have access to production soon"
my response TL;DR "Well, good luck with bugs, Deployments and any other shit that i do on the daily that requires access to production"
 
Can i ask a question related with xamarin and refresh data after backbutton in a ListView ?
 
@ntzz don't ask to ask, just ask :D
If someone can help, they will
 
11:49 AM
@CaptainSquirrel It's a good goal to aim for. The fact that the process doesn't allow for it yet means it's a work in progress.
 
Supposedly the plan was to transition the IT Team to a DevOps Team so
I'm not really sure where limiting the Dev guys access would have come into play there
 
DevOps shouldn't have access either, day-to-day.
 
!!shrug
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I've got a ListView of object, if i push in a button in each element, it sends to another view , there, i can change a property of the element, i have a save button and it also save it in the object, but when i goes back with PopAsync, it isn't uploaded , so i have to get back and reload the ListView to get the property uploaded
 
11:51 AM
There should be a process in place to request and get access if anything happens, but customer's production data should only be accessible by the customer via the code, not by an employee of the service provider.
Not without some sort of clearly delineated and audited process.
 
Database access, sure
Access to the web server, that's the gray area
anywho
40 mins ago, by Captain Squirrel
not my problem anymore
 
Yeah this is just a digital pond with some rubber ducks on it.
 
May I ask this again?
How would you write a mind-map tool in C#? How could I create the graphical output?
Should I use a web application?
 

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